Rololz' MOM's 23andme+Eurogenes. Whatchoo' Think?

[Figaro]

23andme only entered Step Five (Initial results) today, so I will update later with her coa's and some of the "latter" stuff. For now, the wee basics and her raw data through some of the key eurogenes calculators-

mtdna: N1b1b

She clusters within the "Eastern European" category, but within no specific sub-category sample-base (close to the outer walls of the Polish one, though)

Eurogenes K13
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Eurogenes K13 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Baltic 37.28
2 North_Atlantic 32.84
3 West_Med 11.92
4 East_Med 6.83
5 West_Asian 5.66
6 South_Asian 1.77
7 Red_Sea 1.43
8 Siberian 1.39


Finished reading population data. 204 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Polish @ 5.615799
2 Hungarian @ 6.944128
3 Croatian @ 7.364062
4 East_German @ 7.437738
5 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.537293
6 Ukrainian @ 8.367209
7 Polish @ 9.347516
8 Austrian @ 9.387593
9 Moldavian @ 11.180273
10 Southwest_Finnish @ 12.414995
11 Southwest_Russian @ 12.811396
12 Russian_Smolensk @ 12.933526
13 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 13.416420
14 Estonian_Polish @ 13.507435
15 Belorussian @ 13.618048
16 North_Swedish @ 14.169118
17 Serbian @ 15.586457
18 Finnish @ 15.714602
19 Estonian @ 16.162874
20 Kargopol_Russian @ 16.297646

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% South_Polish @ 2.123548


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Estonian_Polish +25% Orcadian +25% Romanian @ 1.106264


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Estonian + Estonian_Polish + Serbian + South_Dutch @ 0.994914
2 French + Hungarian + Lithuanian + Southwest_Russian @ 1.006805
3 Lithuanian + North_Italian + North_Swedish + Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 1.031910
4 East_German + Polish + Serbian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.041756
5 Estonian + Russian_Smolensk + Serbian + South_Dutch @ 1.048694
6 Estonian_Polish + Hungarian + South_Dutch + Southwest_Russian @ 1.097012
7 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Orcadian + Romanian @ 1.106264
8 Estonian + Lithuanian + Romanian + South_Dutch @ 1.110855
9 Estonian + French + Lithuanian + Serbian @ 1.130045
10 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Romanian + Southwest_English @ 1.159342
11 Estonian + Estonian_Polish + Serbian + West_German @ 1.160213
12 Lithuanian + North_Italian + North_Swedish + Southwest_Russian @ 1.169903
13 Estonian_Polish + French + South_Polish + South_Polish @ 1.170097
14 Belorussian + Croatian + South_Dutch + South_Polish @ 1.170770
15 East_German + Russian_Smolensk + Serbian + Southwest_Finnish @ 1.178339
16 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Hungarian + South_Dutch @ 1.185554
17 Estonian_Polish + Hungarian + Russian_Smolensk + South_Dutch @ 1.188112
18 Estonian_Polish + Estonian_Polish + Orcadian + Serbian @ 1.195627
19 Croatian + Estonian_Polish + South_Dutch + South_Polish @ 1.197117
20 Estonian_Polish + Lithuanian + Romanian + Southeast_English @ 1.197196

Done.

K15
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Eurogenes EUtest V2 K15 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Sea 24.49
2 Baltic 21.32
3 Eastern_Euro 17.87
4 Atlantic 17.32
5 West_Med 8.47
6 West_Asian 4.00
7 East_Med 3.48
8 South_Asian 1.43
9 Red_Sea 1.01


Finished reading population data. 207 populations found.
15 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 South_Polish @ 6.726827
2 Hungarian @ 6.798502
3 Ukrainian @ 7.275259
4 Ukrainian_Lviv @ 7.574076
5 East_German @ 7.856135
6 Croatian @ 8.046914
7 Polish @ 8.552819
8 Southwest_Finnish @ 9.947948
9 Austrian @ 9.963789
10 Moldavian @ 10.079782
11 Finnish @ 10.401816
12 Russian_Smolensk @ 11.946306
13 East_Finnish @ 12.159730
14 Southwest_Russian @ 12.663094
15 Estonian @ 12.799252
16 Ukrainian_Belgorod @ 12.884933
17 Belorussian @ 13.580469
18 Estonian_Polish @ 13.590805
19 Serbian @ 14.349586
20 Kargopol_Russian @ 14.483822

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% East_German +50% Ukrainian @ 2.796258


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Croatian +25% Erzya +25% West_Norwegian @ 2.159669


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 East_German + Erzya + Ukrainian + West_German @ 1.901167
2 Erzya + Hungarian + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 1.950838
3 East_German + Erzya + South_Polish + West_German @ 1.991540
4 East_German + Erzya + Polish + West_German @ 2.026668
5 Kargopol_Russian + Moldavian + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 2.087933
6 Erzya + Hungarian + Polish + West_German @ 2.114399
7 East_German + Erzya + Ukrainian_Lviv + West_German @ 2.129049
8 East_German + Erzya + South_Dutch + Ukrainian @ 2.144579
9 Croatian + Croatian + Erzya + West_Norwegian @ 2.159669
10 Erzya + Hungarian + Southwest_English + Ukrainian_Lviv @ 2.163267
11 East_German + East_German + Erzya + Hungarian @ 2.180848
12 Croatian + Kargopol_Russian + Ukrainian + West_German @ 2.195942
13 Croatian + Croatian + Kargopol_Russian + Norwegian @ 2.224370
14 Kargopol_Russian + Moldavian + Southeast_English + Ukrainian @ 2.224764
15 Hungarian + Kargopol_Russian + Polish + West_German @ 2.230694
16 East_German + Erzya + Russian_Smolensk + West_German @ 2.232043
17 North_Swedish + Polish + Serbian + Ukrainian @ 2.246083
18 Croatian + Erzya + Southwest_English + Ukrainian @ 2.251311
19 Erzya + Hungarian + Southeast_English + Ukrainian @ 2.255191
20 Croatian + Kargopol_Russian + Polish + West_German @ 2.255644

Done.

eutest
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EUtest 4-Ancestors Oracle

This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

EUtest Oracle population reference data revised 06 Nov 2012.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 SOUTH_BALTIC 21.01
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 20.46
3 ATLANTIC 19.54
4 EAST_EURO 19.47
5 WEST_MED 8.57
6 WEST_ASIAN 4.25
7 EAST_MED 4.02
8 SOUTH_ASIAN 1.33
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 1.14


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 HU @ 9.944691
2 AT @ 9.966985
3 PL @ 10.147125
4 North_Swedish @ 10.275308
5 South_Finnish @ 11.531475
6 West_Russian @ 12.032310
7 UA @ 12.175305
8 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 12.623069
9 Ukrainian-Russian @ 13.216045
10 West_&_Central_German @ 13.475392
11 NO @ 13.602697
12 NL @ 14.471546
13 EE @ 14.753926
14 Belorussian @ 14.822721
15 DK @ 14.935709
16 East_Finnish @ 15.271688
17 East_Russian @ 15.871547
18 Serbian @ 15.939939
19 Orcadian @ 16.654715
20 Cornish @ 17.245251

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% West_&_Central_German +50% West_Russian @ 2.594163


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% West_&_Central_German +25% West_Russian +25% West_Russian @ 2.594163


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 AT + East_Russian + IE + PL @ 2.010509
2 AT + IE + North_Russian + PL @ 2.026268
3 AT + East_Russian + Orcadian + PL @ 2.052022
4 AT + East_Russian + Scottish + UA @ 2.108163
5 AT + East_Russian + IE + UA @ 2.114467
6 AT + IE + Ukrainian-Russian + West_Russian @ 2.123369
7 AT + DK + West_Russian + West_Russian @ 2.173048
8 AT + Cornish + North_Russian + PL @ 2.177248
9 AT + North_Russian + Orcadian + PL @ 2.179644
10 AT + East_Russian + PL + Scottish @ 2.187633
11 AT + IE + North_Russian + UA @ 2.199221
12 IE + Ukrainian-Russian + Ukrainian-Russian + West_&_Central_German @ 2.213937
13 AT + Cornish + East_Russian + PL @ 2.216471
14 AT + East_Russian + Orcadian + UA @ 2.233248
15 AT + Belorussian + East_Russian + IE @ 2.242444
16 AT + East_Russian + Scottish + Ukrainian-Russian @ 2.248666
17 AT + North_Russian + Scottish + UA @ 2.257418
18 AT + North_Russian + PL + Scottish @ 2.267103
19 AT + IE + Ukrainian-Russian + Ukrainian-Russian @ 2.274657
20 AT + IE + West_Russian + West_Russian @ 2.285102

Done.

K36
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Population
Amerindian -
Arabian 0.40%
Armenian 0.45%
Basque 2.15%
Central_African -
Central_Euro 8.96%
East_African -
East_Asian -
East_Balkan 3.62%
East_Central_Asian -
East_Central_Euro 15.44%
East_Med -
Eastern_Euro 14.51%
Fennoscandian 7.52%
French 4.95%
Iberian 4.89%
Indo-Chinese -
Italian 9.61%
Malayan -
Near_Eastern -
North_African -
North_Atlantic 11.49%
North_Caucasian 1.84%
North_Sea 11.53%
Northeast_African -
Oceanian -
Omotic -
Pygmy -
Siberian -
South_Asian 0.39%
South_Central_Asian 0.70%
South_Chinese -
Volga-Ural 1.32%
West_African -
West_Caucasian -
West_Med 0.24%

[Figaro]

And apparently a whopping 3.2% Neanderthal

[Not a Cop]

K36 Oracle:


1 German_Austria+German_Austria+Ukrainian_East+Ukrai nian_East @ 5,946576
2 German_Austria+German_Volga+Ukrainian_East+Ukraini an_East @ 6,097504
3 German_Austria+German_Austria+Polish+Ukrainian_Eas t @ 6,123235
4 German_Austria+German_Austria+Russian_Oryol+Ukrain ian_East @ 6,125223
5 German_Austria+German_Volga+Moksha+Ukrainian_East @ 6,129946
6 German_Austria+German_Austria+Russian_Kursk+Ukrain ian_East @ 6,160556
7 German_Austria+German_Austria+Moksha+Ukrainian_Eas t @ 6,262152
8 German_Austria+German_Volga+Russian_Oryol+Ukrainia n_East @ 6,270823
9 German_Austria+German_Volga+Polish+Ukrainian_East @ 6,288934
10 German+German_Austria+Ukrainian_East+Ukrainian_Eas t @ 6,291354






1 Belarusian_East+German_Austria+German_Austria+Poli sh @ 2,376457
2 Belarusian_East+German_Austria+German_Austria+Ukra inian_East @ 2,423666
3 Belarusian_East+German_Austria+German_Austria+Lith uanian @ 2,448063
4 Belarusian_East+Belarusian_East+German_Austria+Ger man_Austria @ 2,472182
5 Belarusian_East+German_Austria+German_Austria+Russ ian_Smolensk @ 2,489459
6 Belarusian_Polesye+German_Austria+German_Austria+P olish @ 2,489999
7 German_Austria+German_Austria+Polish+Russian_Kursk @ 2,495226
8 German_Austria+German_Austria+Polish+Polish @ 2,511168
9 Belarusian_East+German_Austria+German_Austria+Latv ian @ 2,513976
10 Belarusian_East+Belarusian_Polesye+German_Austria+ German_Austria @ 2,516808

[Figaro]

She is partly Danish, up her paternal side. I'm surprised how not-so-Germanic she looks here.

[Figaro]

bump?

[Neon Knight]

What is her known ancestry then?

[Figaro]

What is her known ancestry then?

I know of Danish, German, and Polish.

[Figaro]

bumpity bump?

[Petalpusher]

You don't have the AC yet? It's always interesting too in complement to gedmatch.

[StonyArabia]

Her German might be East German. East Germans are Germanized Balts and Slavs so it would make sense.

[Figaro]

You don't have the AC yet? It's always interesting too in complement to gedmatch.

Not yet.

[Figaro]

Her German might be East German. East Germans are Germanized Balts and Slavs so it would make sense.

She is 1/4 German and it is from Stuttgart according to one of my aunts. She is mostly Polish, anyway, so all the eastern euro stuff isn't neccessarily surprising. She has told me that part of that side might have been Russian Jewish. Perhaps that explains my mtdna.

[Figaro]

Mom's AC from 23andme:

Spec
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99.8% European
8.7% Scandinavian
6.2% French and German
2.9% British and Irish
28.4% Broadly Northern European
34.9% Eastern European
2.2% Balkan
0.1% Italian
3.3% Broadly Southern European
5.5% Ashkenazi
11.3% Broadly European
0.2% East Asian and Native American
0.1% Yakut
0.1% Broadly East Asian

Standard
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99.0% European
1.8% Scandinavian
1.7% French and German
0.2% British and Irish
19.5% Broadly Northern European
20.5% Eastern European
5.0% Ashkenazi
0.7% Balkan
0.4% Broadly Southern European
49.2% Broadly European
0.1% East Asian and Native American
0.9% Unnassigned

Conservative
---------------
96.2% European
3.9% Broadly Northern European
2.6% Eastern European
1.5% Ashkenazi
88.3% Broadly European
3.8% Unassigned

[Figaro]

updated 23andme AC to include standard and conservative as well.

[Hevo]

She is 1/4 German and it is from Stuttgart according to one of my aunts. She is mostly Polish, anyway, so all the eastern euro stuff isn't neccessarily surprising. She has told me that part of that side might have been Russian Jewish. Perhaps that explains my mtdna.

Your MTDNA is not typical Jewish. N1b2 however is a common Ashkenazi Jewish marker. Here is a graph about N1b.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3806353/bin/ncomms3543-f6.jpg

[Figaro]

Your MTDNA is not typical Jewish. N1b2 however is a common Ashkenazi Jewish marker. Here is a graph about N1b.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3806353/bin/ncomms3543-f6.jpg

I recognize that, but it appeared the most plausible explanation. Plus her Ashkenazi is steady across all modes on 23andme.

[Figaro]

---duplicate---

[Figaro]

Speaking of which, her mtdna is a bit puzzling to me. Her mother was Polish, so a couple of scenarios come to mind-

1. There is a distant maternal ancestor from the Caucusus or near east
2. Ashkenazi with a rare subclade of N for them(is this one known among them at all even?)
3. Neolithic Farmers

[Hevo]

I recognize that, but it appeared the most plausible explanation. Plus her Ashkenazi is steady across all modes on 23andme.

Fair enough but you mentioned that her mother is Polish. It's rare but still present in Europe. There is also a significant chance that it was brought by a Neolithic farmer in the Neolithic period.

[Petalpusher]

The German/Scando seems real but dwarfed by the Eastern Euro so it doesn't really show in autosomal. Did you expect the Ashkenazi, and can you try Jtest ?

Im not sure how really better for Eastern K36's oracle is, even i get 3 or 4 Germanic pop in it. Conservative is a bit surprising as about everything goes into simple "Broadly Euro".

[Zmey Gorynych]

I'm new to this but it seems to me that judging by the relative equal values of baltic and north-atlantic (30 something both) it is quite clear that she's a combo of west and east european. People of eastern european descent only, score considerably more baltic and those of west european extraction considerably more north-atlantic. Or am I wrong and there are ethnicities that score equal percentages of north-atlantic and baltic?

[Petalpusher]

I'm new to this but it seems to me that judging by the relative equal values of baltic and north-atlantic (30 something both) it is quite clear that she's a combo of west and east european. People of eastern european descent only, score considerably more baltic and those of west european extraction considerably more north-atlantic. Or am I wrong and there are ethnicities that score equal percentages of north-atlantic and baltic?

That would be central-East Germans, Czech and West Hungarians who would have that perfect balance between N.Atlantic and Baltic in Europe, about 30% each

[Zmey Gorynych]

That would be central-East Germans, Czech and West Hungarians who would have that perfect balance between N.Atlantic and Baltic in Europe, about 30% each
Thanks for the info. It makes sense, these populations are located in central Europe. Where can I find averages for K13 and the like for all european people? I've seen a few threads from callmyname but some ethnicities are missing, particularly those from the east.

[Hevo]

I'm new to this but it seems to me that judging by the relative equal values of baltic and north-atlantic (30 something both) it is quite clear that she's a combo of west and east european. People of eastern european descent only, score considerably more baltic and those of west european extraction considerably more north-atlantic. Or am I wrong and there are ethnicities that score equal percentages of north-atlantic and baltic?

NW Europeans usually score 45+ North Atlantic and Eastern Europeans score 42%+ Baltic.

[Petalpusher]

Thanks for the info. It makes sense, these populations are located in central Europe. Where can I find averages for K13 and the like for all european people? I've seen a few threads from callmyname but some ethnicities are missing, particularly those from the east.

You can find these average on Eurogenes blog (K13);

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oz6P5-SVEJciPX1TciGe-zoqA5JtOGIMG7nh-rCOj0c/edit#gid=804264822

[Figaro]

bump?

I think it adds up nicely with what I thought. I have always been told she is Danish, German, Polish...and some rumored Russian Jew. My mtdna haplogroup is not Commonly Jewish, but I think it stands to reason a minority of this very Middle Eastern haplogroup had it. In any case, my maternal grandmother's father was the one who said this to her (her mother died long before), so it could very well be some Ashkenazi from him. And such would not show up on my mtdna, and my curious mtdna is independent of this.

[Figaro]

Everything else just came in.

COA set to 5 cm

Russia 6.2%
Poland 5.7%
Germany 3.9%
United Kingdom 3.8% (closest matches almost all seem like they got a lot of non-Brit ancestry though)
Ukraine 3.2%
Romania 2.1%
Hungary 1.8%
Belarus 1.8%
Denmark 1.7% (so far down!? My mom is allegedly 1/4 Danish with a common Scandinavian surname. Hmm)
Lithuania 1.5%
Italy 1.5%
goes on some, but I think that'll do...

10 cm

Ukraine
Poland
Russia
Romania
Lithuania
Hungary
Germany...

15 cm

Poland...


So far, surname view on relative finder is a pretty small list. Most names are commonly Ashkenazi ones. There are a couple Anglo names as the last couple names. In general, she seems to share with a lot of eastern euro Jews on there too.

[Figaro]

It is funny how her 1/2 eastern euro just dominates her genome. Her dad was (as told to me and as can be confirmed looking at surnames down her line and knowledge of family locations) 1/2 Danish, 1/2 German. Interdesting, huh?

[Not a Cop]

Everything else just came in.

COA set to 5 cm

Russia 6.2%
Poland 5.7%
Germany 3.9%
United Kingdom 3.8% (closest matches almost all seem like they got a lot of non-Brit ancestry though)
Ukraine 3.2%
Romania 2.1%
Hungary 1.8%
Belarus 1.8%
Denmark 1.7% (so far down!? My mom is allegedly 1/4 Danish with a common Scandinavian surname. Hmm)
Lithuania 1.5%
Italy 1.5%
goes on some, but I think that'll do...

10 cm

Ukraine
Poland
Russia
Romania
Lithuania
Hungary
Germany...

15 cm

Poland...


So far, surname view on relative finder is a pretty small list. Most names are commonly Ashkenazi ones. There are a couple Anglo names as the last couple names. In general, she seems to share with a lot of eastern euro Jews on there too.

Even a few percents of jewish ancestry will screw your countries of ancestry. Most of those matches are Jews i bet.

[Figaro]

Even a few percents of jewish ancestry will screw your countries of ancestry. Most of those matches are Jews i bet.

You're quite right, I saw more "cohens" and -steins when I looked at the info and names for my Germany matches.

[Figaro]

The German/Scando seems real but dwarfed by the Eastern Euro so it doesn't really show in autosomal. Did you expect the Ashkenazi, and can you try Jtest ?

Im not sure how really better for Eastern K36's oracle is, even i get 3 or 4 Germanic pop in it. Conservative is a bit surprising as about everything goes into simple "Broadly Euro".

It surprises me just how dwarfed her Germanic components are. My mother's paternal great grandparents emigrated from Denmark, yet on her COA Denmark is QUITE far down the list. If I never knew their was Scandinavian ancestry, I would have brushed the Denmark selection aside as noise of some kind. She even has Romania much further up the list. Her Southern European seems high, to me. My dad gets like a .20% Balkan reading, while she gets almost 3% Balkan on Speculative, I believe. I wonder if that's in a normal range for Slavs. I simply wonder, and have not much point of reference.

I was semi-expecting some wee bit of Ashkenazi, but never thought the family "lore" had much evidence to back that notion up- but alas she does get Some amount across all modes (spec, stand, conserv). I might guess she is maybe 1/8 or 1/16 so Ashkenazi in "actuality"?

I tried JTest...she only scores like 5% Ashkenazi on there.

Anything else jump out at you about her results? I respect your judgements, good sir :)

[Graham]

You can use they Countries of Ancestry tool for Jewish ancestry, if you click the Ashkenazi Jewish box..

All evidence points to Eastern European in court. :)

[Figaro]

You can use they Countries of Ancestry tool for Jewish ancestry, if you click the Ashkenazi Jewish box..

All evidence points to Eastern European in court. :)

Right. At 5cm's, the "declared" spot is counted at 3.9-5.0%..for instance.

It could very well be nothing. Much higher than what was shown for my dad's. It could very well be that it's normal for folks of eastern European descent to get a lot of Ashkenazi matches.

Far as I know, her mother was Polish (with one or more side being Polonized but from lands east of modern Poland), and her father was 1/2 Danish, 1/2 German. Do her results to you look fairly normal when considering her ancestry?

[Graham]

That is high to me. But it might be like that in regular Eastern European from places like Poland.

Makes sense in the ancestry you just provided, in the results throughout the thread.

[Petalpusher]

It surprises me just how dwarfed her Germanic components are. My mother's paternal great grandparents emigrated from Denmark, yet on her COA Denmark is QUITE far down the list. If I never knew their was Scandinavian ancestry, I would have brushed the Denmark selection aside as noise of some kind. She even has Romania much further up the list. Her Southern European seems high, to me. My dad gets like a .20% Balkan reading, while she gets almost 3% Balkan on Speculative, I believe. I wonder if that's in a normal range for Slavs. I simply wonder, and have not much point of reference.

I was semi-expecting some wee bit of Ashkenazi, but never thought the family "lore" had much evidence to back that notion up- but alas she does get Some amount across all modes (spec, stand, conserv). I might guess she is maybe 1/8 or 1/16 so Ashkenazi in "actuality"?

I tried JTest...she only scores like 5% Ashkenazi on there.

Anything else jump out at you about her results? I respect your judgements, good sir :)

The east med isn't that high across all tests, it would be totally average for a central German but since the Altantic is low and the Baltic too high it doesn't look pred German for 23. You also get a bit of real "Middle_Eastern" on EUtest so it might be based on that you get Ashkenazi, it's clear 23 doesn't use that different calculators to make their AC, they have their own but the reading should look the the same overall. The curious part is she doesn't really have a high west asian wich is often linked with East-med for Ashkenazi, it's also pretty average for North Europe so a few generations lowered it enough, it's probably real just relatively ancient through some Polish ancestry.

[Figaro]

The east med isn't that high across all tests, it would be totally average for a central German but since the Altantic is low and the Baltic too high it doesn't look pred German for 23. You also get a bit of real "Middle_Eastern" on EUtest so it might be based on that you get Ashkenazi, it's clear 23 doesn't use that different calculators to make their AC, they have their own but the reading should look the the same overall. The curious part is she doesn't really have a high west asian wich is often linked with East-med for Ashkenazi, it's also pretty average for North Europe so a few generations lowered it enough, it's probably real just relatively ancient through some Polish ancestry.

Interesting. What is the threshold for "real" middle eastern on eutest though?

It's interesting, her AC on 23andme scores 5.5% Ashkenazi on spec, 5.0% on Stand, and 1.5% on Conserv. And Gedmatch calculators only pick up hints of it Slightly. Interestingly, on 23andme's surname view, ALL of the names are frequently Jewish ones. I'll attest that I suppose to just how inbred Ashkenazim are.

[Petalpusher]

Interesting. What is the threshold for "real" middle eastern on eutest though?

It's interesting, her AC on 23andme scores 5.5% Ashkenazi on spec, 5.0% on Stand, and 1.5% on Conserv. And Gedmatch calculators only pick up hints of it Slightly. Interestingly, on 23andme's surname view, ALL of the names are frequently Jewish ones. I'll attest that I suppose to just how inbred Ashkenazim are.

It's something between the east med / Middle eastern and Ashkenazi. I think the closest to a full Ashkenazi is one result in the first page, scoring high on it so there might be some truth with this component, also spreads on the eastmed/Mid East.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?70027-Post-your-EUtest-amp-Jtest-results

Unless you are South Euro i don't think you can score more than 1 or 2 % of Mid eastern and +5% Ashkenazi without real recent ancestry, but that's just my observation from a few people.