Which calculator/oracle most accurately represents your heritage?

[Journeyman26]

Heya folks! I was going through a bunch of GEDmatch calculators (Eurogenes, dodecad, mdlp.).. some good, some bad, and was wondering if what experiences everyone else has had with them. Now I know oracles are simply a line of best fit and don't really reflect your ancestry. But they do reflect how close your autosomal SNPs are to other people who may or may not share your ancestry. This is perfect for half-breeds like myself. On the whole, I find the Eurogenes ones more most accurately get my ancestry.

Ancestry:
Father: Tuscan/N. Italian (debatable which, but thats for another thread)
Mother: Ionian Island Greek (pred Corfu, Kephalonia/Ithaca also in there; some Peloponnese; tiny bit Arvanite)
Me: Should read 50% Italian (Tuscan?), 50% Greek

Eurogenes and JTest:
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 25.89
2 WEST_MED 16.53
3 ATLANTIC 13.98
4 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 12.60
5 WEST_ASIAN 11.14
6 ASHKENAZI 7.29
7 SOUTH_BALTIC 6.53
8 EAST_EURO 3.64
9 MIDDLE_EASTERN 2.32--


Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 8.855580
2 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 9.823901
3 GR @ 10.107046
4 North_Italian @ 13.856336
5 RO @ 17.665659
6 Serbian @ 19.988016
7 PT @ 22.391026
8 ES @ 24.329332
9 TR @ 24.784317
10 FR @ 26.085680
11 AJ @ 26.124851
12 AT @ 26.213335
13 HU @ 26.992216
14 West_&_Central_German @ 31.217051
15 Armenian @ 31.253462
16 Assyrian @ 31.688978
17 IR @ 32.420448
18 Kurdish @ 32.442089
19 NL @ 32.793476
20 Cornish @ 33.852497

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% GR +50% Tuscan @ 4.406997

Dodecad:

# Population Percent
1 Caucasus 33.96
2 Atlantic_Med 29.61
3 North_European 21.25
4 Southwest_Asian 8.88
5 Gedrosia 5.10
6 Northwest_African 1.21

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek @ 4.548738
2 O_Italian @ 6.947758
3 C_Italian @ 7.002872
4 Tuscan @ 9.582088
5 S_Italian_Sicilian @ 10.561059
6 Sicilian @ 10.604731
7 TSI30 @ 10.885002
8 Ashkenazy_Jews @ 11.944314
9 Ashkenazi @ 12.179971
10 Bulgarian @ 15.612925
11 Bulgarians @ 15.613133
12 N_Italian @ 16.602163
13 Romanians @ 17.049891
14 Sephardic_Jews @ 18.319670
15 North_Italian @ 18.463345
16 Morocco_Jews @ 20.730398
17 Turkish @ 25.528549
18 Cypriots @ 26.062267
19 Turks @ 28.327635
20 Baleares @ 28.464682

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% O_Italian @ 1.655951 - What the hell is an O. Italian?


MDLP
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 38.77
2 European_Early_Farmers 23.47
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 19.88
4 Near_East 9.82
5 South_Central_Asian 4.23
6 North_African 2.90

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Greek_Peloponnesos @ 2.434359
2 Greek_Thessaly @ 3.305536
3 Greek_Thessaloniki @ 4.033499
4 Albanian_Tirana @ 4.057151
5 Central_Greek @ 4.499270
6 Greek_Northwest @ 4.948415
7 Greek @ 6.005714
8 Kosovar @ 6.141057
9 Ashkenazi @ 7.043632
10 Greek_Athens @ 7.097896
11 Greek_Macedonia @ 7.237782
12 Greek_Phokaia @ 8.587357
13 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 8.905022
14 Sicilian_Siracusa @ 8.961382
15 Romanian_Jew @ 9.133902
16 Italian_South @ 9.158689
17 Sicilian_West @ 10.071923
18 Sicilian_East @ 10.115734
19 Sicilian_Center @ 10.447377
20 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 10.839966

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek_Peloponnesos +50% Greek_Peloponnesos @ 2.434359

[Journeyman26]

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[de Burgh II]

MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 34.85
2 European_Early_Farmers 30.51
3 Caucasian 20.41
4 South_Central_Asian 5.48
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.99
6 North_African 1.37


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_Kent_GBR @ 2.139091
2 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 2.139934
3 Welsh @ 2.935346
4 English @ 3.184252
5 CEU @ 3.247805
6 British @ 3.504050
7 Irish @ 3.715712
8 Belgian @ 3.884514
9 North_European @ 4.064162
10 Frisian @ 4.184940
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 5.576459
12 Orcadian @ 5.857959
13 German-Volga @ 7.226189
14 South_German @ 7.338727
15 Dutch @ 7.468790
16 French @ 8.003283
17 Norwegian_West @ 8.684426
18 Icelandic @ 8.953845
19 Norwegian_East @ 9.234386
20 Dane @ 11.279513

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% French @ 1.433913


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% French +25% Irish @ 1.245464


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + English + French + Irish @ 1.119944
2 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + French @ 1.151771
3 Dutch + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + French @ 1.165102
4 British + Frisian + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Swede_Saami @ 1.170490
5 French + Frisian + German-Volga + Orcadian @ 1.176916
6 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + French @ 1.180615
7 British + French + German-Volga + North_European @ 1.182730
8 Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + Irish @ 1.186862
9 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + North_European @ 1.187325
10 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + Irish @ 1.193398
11 Dutch + Frisian + Norwegian_East + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.193763
12 Dutch + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Swede @ 1.194343
13 Belgian + French + Irish + North_European @ 1.197394
14 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Swede_Saami @ 1.202836
15 Belgian + Dutch + French + Welsh @ 1.204902
16 Belgian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French @ 1.205547
17 Belgian + CEU + French + Irish @ 1.207496
18 Frisian + Irish + Spaniard + Swede @ 1.214257
19 Dane + Frisian + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.217234
20 Belgian + French + German-Volga + Orcadian @ 1.218616

EUtest
# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 30.80
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.56
3 WEST_MED 13.87
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 10.99
5 EAST_EURO 7.99
6 EAST_MED 4.93
7 WEST_ASIAN 4.13


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cornish @ 4.116233
2 English @ 6.389641
3 IE @ 6.930607
4 Orcadian @ 6.959597
5 Scottish @ 7.416129
6 NL @ 7.781014
7 West_&_Central_German @ 8.757037
8 FR @ 8.984293
9 DK @ 10.913424
10 NO @ 13.344272
11 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 14.310032
12 AT @ 15.660779
13 ES @ 16.911295
14 PT @ 17.373714
15 North_Swedish @ 18.415258
16 French_Basque @ 21.216103
17 HU @ 21.923019
18 North_Italian @ 22.466066
19 Serbian @ 24.104671
20 RO @ 26.621286

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +50% Scottish @ 2.759165


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English +25% French_Basque @ 2.249520


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + English + English + French_Basque @ 2.249520
2 English + English + French_Basque + West_&_Central_German @ 2.293412
3 English + English + French_Basque + NL @ 2.387757
4 English + English + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 2.464745
5 English + French_Basque + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German @ 2.466906
6 English + French_Basque + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 2.513044
7 English + French_Basque + IE + West_&_Central_German @ 2.580301
8 English + French_Basque + NL + Orcadian @ 2.627987
9 English + ES + Scottish + Scottish @ 2.634341
10 English + English + French_Basque + IE @ 2.648597
11 Cornish + English + English + French_Basque @ 2.673681
12 English + English + French_Basque + Scottish @ 2.680835
13 English + French_Basque + NL + Scottish @ 2.712947
14 Cornish + English + French_Basque + West_&_Central_German @ 2.724030
15 English + French_Basque + NL + NL @ 2.734833
16 English + French_Basque + NL + West_&_Central_German @ 2.739651
17 FR + FR + Scottish + Scottish @ 2.759165
18 English + French_Basque + IE + NL @ 2.765242
19 Cornish + English + French_Basque + NL @ 2.823968
20 English + French_Basque + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 2.853251

[Kamal900]

I think the Jtest calculator represented my heritage very accurately:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/Jtest.png

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 37.86
2 MIDDLE_EASTERN 20.16
3 WEST_ASIAN 16.48
4 WEST_MED 9.35
5 ASHKENAZI 5.79
6 SOUTH_ASIAN 3.05
7 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 3.03
8 EAST_AFRICAN 2.40


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IQ @ 9.036242
2 Samaritan @ 10.631749
3 Mandean @ 12.283883
4 Assyrian @ 14.162012
5 Druze @ 16.881546
6 TR @ 20.019768
7 Armenian @ 20.325636
8 GR @ 20.854652
9 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 21.452969
10 Kurdish @ 22.171505
11 IR @ 23.337337
12 AJ @ 33.862679
13 Algerian @ 34.521378
14 Tuscan @ 34.832615
15 GE @ 39.569893
16 Moroccan @ 39.832100
17 North_Italian @ 40.269737
18 RO @ 40.605133
19 Bedouin @ 42.347263
20 Serbian @ 42.383530

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Mandean +50% Samaritan @ 6.080221


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IQ +25% Samaritan +25% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.444737


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Algerian + Druze + Mandean + Mandean @ 3.097530
2 Algerian + Assyrian + Druze + Mandean @ 3.306703
3 IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan + TR @ 3.523220
4 IQ + Mandean + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.805326
5 Algerian + Assyrian + Assyrian + Druze @ 4.076247
6 Mandean + Samaritan + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.132244
7 GR + IQ + IQ + Samaritan @ 4.153470
8 GR + IQ + Mandean + Samaritan @ 4.191198
9 Druze + Mandean + Mandean + Moroccan @ 4.198832
10 Algerian + Assyrian + Druze + IQ @ 4.250764
11 Armenian + IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.343150
12 Assyrian + IQ + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.424001
13 IQ + IQ + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.444737
14 Algerian + Druze + Kurdish + Samaritan @ 4.522501
15 Armenian + Bedouin + Druze + GR @ 4.560217
16 Algerian + Armenian + Druze + Mandean @ 4.646822
17 GR + Mandean + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.654131
18 Druze + IQ + IQ + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.663242
19 Algerian + Druze + IQ + Mandean @ 4.679577
20 GR + IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.680312

[Journeyman26]

MDLP K23b
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 34.85
2 European_Early_Farmers 30.51
3 Caucasian 20.41
4 South_Central_Asian 5.48
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.99
6 North_African 1.37


Finished reading population data. 620 populations found.
23 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English_Kent_GBR @ 2.139091
2 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 2.139934
3 Welsh @ 2.935346
4 English @ 3.184252
5 CEU @ 3.247805
6 British @ 3.504050
7 Irish @ 3.715712
8 Belgian @ 3.884514
9 North_European @ 4.064162
10 Frisian @ 4.184940
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 5.576459
12 Orcadian @ 5.857959
13 German-Volga @ 7.226189
14 South_German @ 7.338727
15 Dutch @ 7.468790
16 French @ 8.003283
17 Norwegian_West @ 8.684426
18 Icelandic @ 8.953845
19 Norwegian_East @ 9.234386
20 Dane @ 11.279513

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Dutch +50% French @ 1.433913


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% French +25% Irish @ 1.245464


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Belgian + English + French + Irish @ 1.119944
2 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Kent_GBR + French @ 1.151771
3 Dutch + English + English_Cornwall_GBR + French @ 1.165102
4 British + Frisian + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Swede_Saami @ 1.170490
5 French + Frisian + German-Volga + Orcadian @ 1.176916
6 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + English_Cornwall_GBR + French @ 1.180615
7 British + French + German-Volga + North_European @ 1.182730
8 Belgian + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + Irish @ 1.186862
9 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + North_European @ 1.187325
10 Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French + Irish @ 1.193398
11 Dutch + Frisian + Norwegian_East + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.193763
12 Dutch + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Swede @ 1.194343
13 Belgian + French + Irish + North_European @ 1.197394
14 English_Kent_GBR + Frisian + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS + Swede_Saami @ 1.202836
15 Belgian + Dutch + French + Welsh @ 1.204902
16 Belgian + Dutch + English_Cornwall_GBR + French @ 1.205547
17 Belgian + CEU + French + Irish @ 1.207496
18 Frisian + Irish + Spaniard + Swede @ 1.214257
19 Dane + Frisian + Irish + Spanish_Cataluna_IBS @ 1.217234
20 Belgian + French + German-Volga + Orcadian @ 1.218616

EUtest
# Population Percent
1 ATLANTIC 30.80
2 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 26.56
3 WEST_MED 13.87
4 SOUTH_BALTIC 10.99
5 EAST_EURO 7.99
6 EAST_MED 4.93
7 WEST_ASIAN 4.13


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
13 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Cornish @ 4.116233
2 English @ 6.389641
3 IE @ 6.930607
4 Orcadian @ 6.959597
5 Scottish @ 7.416129
6 NL @ 7.781014
7 West_&_Central_German @ 8.757037
8 FR @ 8.984293
9 DK @ 10.913424
10 NO @ 13.344272
11 South_&_Central_Swedish @ 14.310032
12 AT @ 15.660779
13 ES @ 16.911295
14 PT @ 17.373714
15 North_Swedish @ 18.415258
16 French_Basque @ 21.216103
17 HU @ 21.923019
18 North_Italian @ 22.466066
19 Serbian @ 24.104671
20 RO @ 26.621286

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% FR +50% Scottish @ 2.759165


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English +25% English +25% French_Basque @ 2.249520


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + English + English + French_Basque @ 2.249520
2 English + English + French_Basque + West_&_Central_German @ 2.293412
3 English + English + French_Basque + NL @ 2.387757
4 English + English + French_Basque + Orcadian @ 2.464745
5 English + French_Basque + Orcadian + West_&_Central_German @ 2.466906
6 English + French_Basque + Scottish + West_&_Central_German @ 2.513044
7 English + French_Basque + IE + West_&_Central_German @ 2.580301
8 English + French_Basque + NL + Orcadian @ 2.627987
9 English + ES + Scottish + Scottish @ 2.634341
10 English + English + French_Basque + IE @ 2.648597
11 Cornish + English + English + French_Basque @ 2.673681
12 English + English + French_Basque + Scottish @ 2.680835
13 English + French_Basque + NL + Scottish @ 2.712947
14 Cornish + English + French_Basque + West_&_Central_German @ 2.724030
15 English + French_Basque + NL + NL @ 2.734833
16 English + French_Basque + NL + West_&_Central_German @ 2.739651
17 FR + FR + Scottish + Scottish @ 2.759165
18 English + French_Basque + IE + NL @ 2.765242
19 Cornish + English + French_Basque + NL @ 2.823968
20 English + French_Basque + West_&_Central_German + West_&_Central_German @ 2.853251

How well does this match up with what you know of your actual heritage? I am always amazed at how close together on the oracles N.Europeans can be.

[Journeyman26]

I think the Jtest calculator represented my heritage very accurately:

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s310/Kamal900/Jtest.png

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 EAST_MED 37.86
2 MIDDLE_EASTERN 20.16
3 WEST_ASIAN 16.48
4 WEST_MED 9.35
5 ASHKENAZI 5.79
6 SOUTH_ASIAN 3.05
7 NORTH-CENTRAL_EURO 3.03
8 EAST_AFRICAN 2.40


Finished reading population data. 78 populations found.
14 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 IQ @ 9.036242
2 Samaritan @ 10.631749
3 Mandean @ 12.283883
4 Assyrian @ 14.162012
5 Druze @ 16.881546
6 TR @ 20.019768
7 Armenian @ 20.325636
8 GR @ 20.854652
9 South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 21.452969
10 Kurdish @ 22.171505
11 IR @ 23.337337
12 AJ @ 33.862679
13 Algerian @ 34.521378
14 Tuscan @ 34.832615
15 GE @ 39.569893
16 Moroccan @ 39.832100
17 North_Italian @ 40.269737
18 RO @ 40.605133
19 Bedouin @ 42.347263
20 Serbian @ 42.383530

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Mandean +50% Samaritan @ 6.080221


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IQ +25% Samaritan +25% South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.444737


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Algerian + Druze + Mandean + Mandean @ 3.097530
2 Algerian + Assyrian + Druze + Mandean @ 3.306703
3 IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan + TR @ 3.523220
4 IQ + Mandean + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 3.805326
5 Algerian + Assyrian + Assyrian + Druze @ 4.076247
6 Mandean + Samaritan + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.132244
7 GR + IQ + IQ + Samaritan @ 4.153470
8 GR + IQ + Mandean + Samaritan @ 4.191198
9 Druze + Mandean + Mandean + Moroccan @ 4.198832
10 Algerian + Assyrian + Druze + IQ @ 4.250764
11 Armenian + IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.343150
12 Assyrian + IQ + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.424001
13 IQ + IQ + Samaritan + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.444737
14 Algerian + Druze + Kurdish + Samaritan @ 4.522501
15 Armenian + Bedouin + Druze + GR @ 4.560217
16 Algerian + Armenian + Druze + Mandean @ 4.646822
17 GR + Mandean + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.654131
18 Druze + IQ + IQ + South_Italian_&_Sicilian @ 4.663242
19 Algerian + Druze + IQ + Mandean @ 4.679577
20 GR + IQ + Samaritan + Samaritan @ 4.680312

It was very good for mine as well! I scored fairly high East Med as well... I assume from my Greek half.

[Petalpusher]

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Greek +50% O_Italian @ 1.655951 - What the hell is an O. Italian?


"Other Italian" ie Italian Swiss, Tyrol, Istrian, Dalmatian


Based on the calculators available on GEDmatch, only first 2 single pop and 2/4 mix :

K13 : French / South-Dutch
K15 : French / South-Dutch
Eutest : French / Dutch
K23b: English Kent / French
K22 : German-South / Swiss
DV3: French / CEU
Mdlp World : German-South / Serbian
K7b : French / Hungarian
K12b : French / Mixed Germanic


Eurogenes
Euro K13:
1 50% Austrian +50% Southwest_French @ 2.629015
1 Austrian + Irish + Irish + Sardinian @ 1.551011

Euro K15:
1 50% West_German + 50% Spanish_Cantabria @ 3.956597
1 South_Dutch + Sardinian + Southwest_English + West_Norwegian @ 2.004038

Eutest/Jtest:
1 50% NL +50% PT @ 5.398000
1 DK + English + Sardinian + West_&_Central_German @ 2.948352



Dodecad
Dodecad V3
1 50% N_Italian +50% Orkney @ 2.247058
1 German + North_Italian + North_Italian + Swedish @ 0.586430

Dodecad K12b
1 50% German + 50% Baleares
1 British_Isles + Bulgarians + Cantabria + French @ 0.621331

Dodecad k7b
1 50% Dutch + 50% Baleares @ 0.989059
1 Cantabria + German + German + N_Italian @ 0.000000


MDLP
k23b:
1 50% Italian_Bergamo +50% Swede @ 2.180286
1 Norwegian_West + Sardinian + Serb_Serbia + Ukrainian_West @ 1.192209

Mworld:
1 50% Swedish_V +50% Corsican @ 1.257511
1 Latvian + German-South + Italian-Center + Basque @ 0.490648

K22:
1 50% Italian-North +50% Swedish @ 1.777138
1 Corsican + Italian_North + Swedish + Swedish @ 1.176022

[de Burgh II]

How well does this match up with what you know of your actual heritage? I am always amazed at how close together on the oracles N.Europeans can be.

I would say both the English as well as French side were colonially in Canada before they migrated to the U.S. whereas the Irish side was here in the U.S. for 5 to 6 generations. A good portion of my ancestry peaks predominantly in British Isles +50% with some French influences being picked up. Which GEDmatch accurately expresses by picking up both British Isles/French influences.

[Journeyman26]

"Other Italian" ie Italian Swiss, Tyrol, Istrian, Dalmatian

Very cool! Interesting stuff. Would be interesting to see if my dad would read closest to O. Italian or it is reflective of my half Greekness.

Are you 100% French my R1b-S28 (u152) brother?

[firemonkey]

Based on 23andMe Oracle 4 single population and 2/4.
My known ancestry: English,Scottish and Irish


Eurogenes K13: West Scottish/Orcadian
1 50% Orcadian +50% West_Scottish@ 2.309369


Eurogenes K15: Irish/West Scottish
1 50% Irish +50% Irish@ 2.244315


Eurogenes EU: Orcadian/Scottish
50% English +50% Scottish @ 2.327709


Eurogenes J test: Orcadian/Scottish
50% English +50% Scottish @ 2.345505


MDLP K23: Irish/English
50% Dutch +50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 2.217411


MDLP world 22: CEU_V / German_V
50% Hungarian +50% Norwegian_V @ 2.500165


MDLP world: Czech/Slovenian
German_South +50% Ukrainian-Center @ 1.262134


Dodecad V3: CEU/Argyll
50% CEU +50% Argyll @ 1.956479


Dodecad 7B: Cornwall/Mixed_Germanic
50% French +50% Polish @ 0.900350


Dodecad 12B : Dutch/Mixed_Germanic
50% British +50% German @ 2.059180


HarappaWorld: Utahn_White/Utahn_White
50% british +50% n-european @ 1.316796

[firemonkey]

FTDNA'


MDLP 22: CEU_V/German_v
50% Hungarian +50% Norwegian_V @ 1.988


MDLP world: Czech/Slovenian
50% Swedish +50% Croatian @ 1.491


MDLP K23: North_European/English
50% Dutch +50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.934662



Eurogenes K15: Irish/West_ Scottish
50% Irish +50% Irish @ 2.428


Eurogenes K13 : West_Scottish/Irish
50% West_Scottish +50% West_Scottish @ 2.163


Eurogenes J test : Orcadian/Scottish
50% Orcadian +50% Scottish @ 2.552


Eurogenes EU test: Orcadian/Scottish
50% English +50% Scottish @ 2.006


Dodecad 7B: Kent/Cornwall
50% English +50% German @ 0.657


Dodecad 12B: Dutch/Mixed_Germanic
50% Dutch +50% Dutch @ 1.281


Dodecad V3: Orcadian/CEU
50% CEU +50% Orkney @ 1.775



HarrapaWorld: Utahn_White/Utahn_White
50% british +50% n-european @ 1.504

[Petalpusher]

Very cool! Interesting stuff. Would be interesting to see if my dad would read closest to O. Italian or it is reflective of my half Greekness.

Are you 100% French my R1b-S28 (u152) brother?

I dont know exactly how O.Italian compares to N.Italian but that's an accurate 2 pop for you already (maybe try to find the spreadsheet for Dodecad, it must be around). Is it what you get the most? I think it's really how we should read it, depending on calculators there's always differences and some come off a bit weird in the Oracle but i know there's some multi pop i get consistently or similar by proxy (not only on gedmatch) once you ve tried enough calculators, you can see this kind of things clearly.

Recent family yes, except a paternal N.Italian grandmother, there might be something more intense on my mother side that i still don't fully understand since im not really close to Italy or even S.France, which is usually a big pull overall. It could be my grandfather on my dad's side i somehow doubt it, looks too ancient (still U152 yo). We ll see soon anyway, i ordered her a kit for the giggle.

[Journeyman26]

I dont know exactly how O.Italian compares to N.Italian but that's an accurate 2 pop for you already (maybe try to find the spreadsheet for Dodecad, it must be around). Is it what you get the most? I think it's really how we should read it, depending on calculators there's always differences and some come off a bit weird in the Oracle but i know there's some multi pop i get consistently or similar by proxy (not only on gedmatch) once you ve tried enough calculators, you can see this kind of things clearly.

Recent family yes, except a paternal N.Italian grandmother, there might be something more intense on my mother side that i still don't fully understand since im not really close to Italy or even S.France, which is usually a big pull overall. It could be my grandfather on my dad's side i somehow doubt it, looks too ancient (still U152 yo). We ll see soon anyway, i ordered her a kit for the giggle.

Hehe well u152 got spread around a bit during the Roman occupation of Gaul, so it might just be a leftover from there. Haplogroup DNA, (ydna + mtDNA) sticks around forever because it is relatively silent. I tend to get O. Italian the most on calculators that include it. Followed by C. Italian or Tuscan, then S. Italian, then N. Italian. I assume that is because of the southern pull of my Greek genes. I tend to score closer to Romania, and Bulgaria than N. Italy.

[Argentano]

i guess this one

World9 Oracle results:


Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 56.4% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 43.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.45
2 59.8% Cypriots (Behar) + 40.2% Cataluna (1000 Genomes) @ 0.45
3 72.3% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 27.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 0.46
4 73.9% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 26.1% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.47
5 50.7% North_Italian (HGDP) + 49.3% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.49
6 78.8% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 21.2% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.5
7 61.4% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 38.6% C_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.54
8 82.4% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.6% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.56
9 76.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 23.7% Tuscan (HGDP) @ 0.56
10 82.7% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 17.3% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.58
11 77.7% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 22.3% TSI30 (Metspalu) @ 0.58
12 87.1% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 12.9% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.63
13 81.7% O_Italian (Dodecad) + 18.3% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.65
14 85.5% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 14.5% N_Italian (Dodecad) @ 0.68
15 85.3% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 14.7% North_Italian (HGDP) @ 0.69
16 89.1% S_Italian (Dodecad) + 10.9% French (Dodecad) @ 0.72
17 84.7% C_Italian (Dodecad) + 15.3% Druze (HGDP) @ 0.72
18 51.9% French (HGDP) + 48.1% Samaritians (Behar) @ 0.74
19 64.8% Tuscan (HGDP) + 35.2% Cypriots (Behar) @ 0.74
20 91% S_Italian_Sicilian (Dodecad) + 9% French (Dodecad) @ 0.75

[sql]

HarappaWorld is great if you're mixed, but if you're "pure", it doesn't give good results

[Gooding]

So far, I would consider Dodecad World the most accurate about me, although it adds certain elements of Eastern Europe to my genes that I know nothing about on a paper trail.

Gedmatch.Com

World9 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 Atlantic_Baltic 72.75
2 Southern 12.78
3 Caucasus_Gedrosia 11.87
4 South_Asian 1.14
5 Amerindian 1.06


Finished reading population data. 250 populations found.
9 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Mixed_Germanic @ 1.422766
2 Dutch @ 2.214811
3 German @ 2.698524
4 CEU30 @ 3.097475
5 Cornwall @ 3.468958
6 Kent @ 3.658287
7 British @ 3.781049
8 British_Isles @ 4.831080
9 Argyll @ 5.530697
10 Irish @ 5.735110
11 Hungarians @ 5.807720
12 Orcadian @ 5.887471
13 Orkney @ 6.368193
14 French @ 6.786506
15 Ukranians @ 7.041228
16 French @ 7.789320
17 Polish @ 7.842126
18 Belorussian @ 9.843278
19 Norwegian @ 10.448243
20 Swedish @ 10.803402

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Mixed_Germanic +50% Mixed_Germanic @ 1.422766


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% French +25% Hungarians @ 1.163843


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Lithuanian + North_Italian + CEU30 + CEU30 @ 1.000845
2 French + Orcadian + Hungarians + Argyll @ 1.021241
3 Lithuanian + N_Italian + CEU30 + Cornwall @ 1.026601
4 Lithuanian + N_Italian + CEU30 + CEU30 @ 1.026649
5 French + Hungarians + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.044555
6 French + Orcadian + Orcadian + Hungarians @ 1.049708
7 French + Orcadian + Hungarians + Argyll @ 1.064605
8 Mixed_Germanic + Lithuanian + North_Italian + Orcadian @ 1.073299
9 Swedish + N_Italian + Orcadian + Argyll @ 1.081171
10 Lithuanian + North_Italian + CEU30 + Cornwall @ 1.083937
11 Irish + French + Orcadian + Hungarians @ 1.086894
12 Lithuanian + N_Italian + CEU30 + Kent @ 1.101309
13 Dutch + Lithuanian + North_Italian + Orcadian @ 1.102219
14 North_Italian + CEU30 + CEU30 + Lithuanians @ 1.103790
15 British + Lithuanian + N_Italian + CEU30 @ 1.106678
16 German + Lithuanian + North_Italian + CEU30 @ 1.108355
17 Lithuanian + North_Italian + CEU30 + Argyll @ 1.110575
18 Mixed_Germanic + Lithuanian + North_Italian + Argyll @ 1.116713
19 Irish + French + Hungarians + Argyll @ 1.117991
20 French + Orcadian + CEU30 + Hungarians @ 1.122811

Done.

Elapsed time 1.4205 seconds.

[Thrax]

MDLP K23b

[Graham]

MDLP K23b

MDLP K23b seems to be mixed up in the North West Europe. Grace O'Malley posted 20+ Irish samples on it (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?170150-Discussion-of-Irish-genetics-thread&p=3632325&viewfull=1#post3632325), with similar results to mine.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Frisian @ 2.181292
2 Irish @ 2.316700
3 English @ 2.491290
4 North_European @ 2.679515
5 Belgian @ 3.075078
6 CEU @ 3.099998
7 English_Kent_GBR @ 3.465415
8 British @ 3.537676
9 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 4.096119
10 Welsh @ 4.341053
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.556082
12 Dutch @ 5.149964
13 Orcadian @ 5.328276

[Thrax]

MDLP K23b seems to be mixed up in the North West Europe. Grace O'Malley posted 20+ Irish samples on it (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?170150-Discussion-of-Irish-genetics-thread&p=3632325&viewfull=1#post3632325), with similar results to mine.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Frisian @ 2.181292
2 Irish @ 2.316700
3 English @ 2.491290
4 North_European @ 2.679515
5 Belgian @ 3.075078
6 CEU @ 3.099998
7 English_Kent_GBR @ 3.465415
8 British @ 3.537676
9 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 4.096119
10 Welsh @ 4.341053
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.556082
12 Dutch @ 5.149964
13 Orcadian @ 5.328276

I know, it works better for Balkanites and Eastern Europeans.

[firemonkey]

MDLP K23b seems to be mixed up in the North West Europe. Grace O'Malley posted 20+ Irish samples on it (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?170150-Discussion-of-Irish-genetics-thread&p=3632325&viewfull=1#post3632325), with similar results to mine.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Frisian @ 2.181292
2 Irish @ 2.316700
3 English @ 2.491290
4 North_European @ 2.679515
5 Belgian @ 3.075078
6 CEU @ 3.099998
7 English_Kent_GBR @ 3.465415
8 British @ 3.537676
9 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 4.096119
10 Welsh @ 4.341053
11 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.556082
12 Dutch @ 5.149964
13 Orcadian @ 5.328276


My results(FTDNA first then 23andMe) . Known ancestry is more English and Scottish than Irish.


1 North_European @ 2.812720
2 English @ 2.835389
3 Irish @ 3.018712
4 Frisian @ 4.155223
5 Dutch @ 4.214088
6 Belgian @ 4.398152
7 CEU @ 4.427139
8 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.848122
9 British @ 5.419805
10 English_Kent_GBR @ 5.542854
11 Norwegian_East @ 5.581871
12 Icelandic @ 5.596888
13 Welsh @ 5.704315


1 Irish @ 2.864248
2 English @ 2.987091
3 North_European @ 3.542619
4 CEU @ 4.313725
5 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.417881
6 Frisian @ 4.442564
7 Belgian @ 4.813258
8 Dutch @ 4.901242
9 British @ 5.178688
10 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 5.236340
11 Welsh @ 5.313340
12 English_Kent_GBR @ 5.484914
13 Orcadian @ 5.600649

[Pendragon]

I'm 100% French (Northwestern).
And nevertheless, "French" is not always the first result.
For those who are mixtures, I guess it's very complicated to analyze!

Dodecad:
V3:
1 CEU (HapMap) 8.55
2 French (Dodecad) 9.33
3 French (HGDP) 9.54

K7b:
1 French (HGDP) 2.98
2 French (Dodecad) 3.62
3 Hungarians (Behar) 4.97

K12b:
1 French (Dodecad) 7.09
2 French (HGDP) 7.32
3 Mixed_Germanic (Dodecad) 9.05

Euro7:
1 French_D @ 12,998734
2 French @ 13,187699
3 German_D @ 14,941984


Eurogenes:
K13:
1 South_Dutch 5.08
2 West_German 5.2
3 French 5.51


K15:
1 French 6.92
2 South_Dutch 7.08
3 Spanish_Cataluna 8.87

Jtest:
1 FR 4.28
2 Cornish 7.12
3 West_&_Central_German 8.17


EUtest:
1 FR 4.3
2 Cornish 7.02
3 West_&_Central_German 8.09


MDLP
K23:
1 German-Volga @ 4.451473
2 Belgian @ 5.363182
3 English @ 5.769628


World22:
1 German-South (derived) 3.25
2 Serbian (derived) 5.05
3 Montenegrin (derived) 5.41

World:
1 Serbian 2.88
2 German-South 2.95
3 Bosnian 4.72

K5:
1 FRN (French) 8.3
2 GBRWAL (Welsh) 9.21
3 GBRKN (British from Kent) 9.51


K6:
1 GBRWAL (Welsh) 9.3
2 FRN (French) 9.46
3 GBRKN (British from Kent) 9.48

K7:
1 FRN (French) 9.15
2 GBRWAL (Welsh) 9.25
3 GBRKN (British from Kent) 9.32

K8:
1 FRN (French) 12.43
2 GER (German) 14.47
3 CEU (CEU) 18.78


K9:
1 FRN (French) 11.5
2 GER (German) 13.15
3 CEU (CEU) 17.36


K10:
1 GER (German) 12.62
2 FRN (French) 13.15
3 PRT (Portuguese) 18.69

K11:
1 GER (German) 12.69
2 FRN (French) 13.18
3 PRT (Portuguese) 18.78


K12:
1 GER (German) 12.37
2 FRN (French) 12.54
3 PRT (Portuguese) 18.24

K17:
[1,] "Mixed German-British" "5.0261"
[2,] "German-Volga" "6.1865"
[3,] "English" "7.0826"

K27:
[1,] "Swiss_dumped_28" "6.1008"
[2,] "French_dumped_40" "6.3897"
[3,] "Provancal_dumped_4" "7.2499"



Harappaworld:
1 french (hgdp) 3.04
2 utahn-white (1000genomes) 9.2
3 british (1000genomes) 10.46


News calculators (2015):
MDLP K14:
1 South-German @ 5,095617
2 N,_European @ 5,262851
3 CEU @ 5,796987

MDLP K10 (ancient Roots):
1 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 7,724935
2 Belgian @ 8,457556
3 French_Basque @ 8,77461

Eurogenes Ami-K8:
1 French @ 1,767352
2 Croatian @ 2,826564
3 Serbian_Bosnia @ 3,838912


Eurogenes Steppe10:
1 French @ 2,782465
3 English @ 6,579027
4 Utah_USA @ 6,724515


(Kurd-Anthrogenica) Eurasia6:
1 Greek @ 1,020981
2 Albanian @ 1,24581
3 Tuscan @ 1,459043

(Kurd-Anthrogenica)Eurasia10:
1 French @ 1,359934
2 Croatian @ 2,671279
3 Hungarian @ 4,21651

(Kurd-Anthrogenica)Eurasia14
1 French @ 2,758849
2 Croatian @ 4,52065
3 Hungarian @ 5,490233

(Kurd-Anthrogenica)Eurasia20
1 French @ 2,85006
2 Croatian @ 5,122688
3 Hungarian @ 5,639334

[Graham]

Harappaworld seems under-rated. The results are pretty decent and how it's all done.

[Pendragon]

Harappaworld seems under-rated. The results are pretty decent and how it's all done.
Yes!
I think this is also one of the best calculator, unfortunately for Oracle, it does not have enough reference population: there are no data for Germans, Scandinavian, Belgian, Dutch, Greek ect..