Are North Pontid similiar to North Atlantid ?

[Mordid]

North Atlantid and North Pontid look very much similiar but of course the difference is origin and genetic.
If a person who were born in any Western Europe country to Ukranian parent who have typically North Pontid pheontype and this person will look distinct Western because this person phenotype aren't foreign to Western European type because they have North Atlantid phenotype which is very similiar to North Pontid from the east.

Am i right ?
Show me a good example of North Pontid from the east if you dont mind posting a picture. :rolleyes::)

[Mordid]

Anyone ? :rolleyes:

[Mordid]

Is Pontid are related to East Nordid ?

[Aviane]

North Pontid would be more related to Meds.

[Mordid]

North Pontid would be more related to Meds.

Yeah of course they are but they are more in nordid direction.
North Pontid and North Atlantid are very similiar though. :rolleyes:

[Mordid]

Since Pontid have light eye colour, should they be in the North Pontid direct ?
I dont see the difference between Pontid and North Pontid because they are dolicephalic and they have light eye colour, dark hair, higher vault, light skin.

[Saruman]

Since Pontid have light eye colour, should they be in the North Pontid direct ?
I dont see the difference between Pontid and North Pontid because they are dolicephalic and they have light eye colour, dark hair, higher vault, light skin.

Pontids have dark eyes usually, being eastern Atlanto-meds, North Pontids light.

[Mordid]

Pontids have dark eyes usually, being eastern Atlanto-meds, North Pontids light.
Then how come Agrippa said that Pontid are depigmentation ? What he mean exactly by that ?
Pontid are an eastern version of Atlantid not Atlanto-Mediterranean i think.

[Mordid]

Is this man a good example of North Pontid ?
http://www.flog.pl/media/foto/713538_marcin-dorocinski.jpg
http://www.topstars.pl/wp-content/uploads/thumbs_main/2009/06/dorocinski1.jpg
http://www.hiro.pl/files/img/dorocinski%5B1%5D.jpg

[Bridie]

It is ridiculous to speak of Atlantids and Pontids as looking the same. I'm of the opinion that so-called North Atlantids are just lighter Atlanto-Meds and North Pontids are just lighter pigmented Eastern Meds. There are obvious differences between Eastern and Western (or Atlanto) Meds, pigmented or not.

[Mordid]

Lol, the thread is open again ?

[Mordid]

It is ridiculous to speak of Atlantids and Pontids as looking the same. I'm of the opinion that so-called North Atlantids are just lighter Atlanto-Meds and North Pontids are just lighter pigmented Eastern Meds. There are obvious differences between Eastern and Western (or Atlanto) Meds, pigmented or not.

Yeah, you got a point, Aussie.

This is Nord-Pontid from Belarus
http://s011.radikal.ru/i316/1101/31/a5ec1708b983.jpg

And this is Nord-Atlantid from England
http://s005.radikal.ru/i210/1103/4a/09016c6184de.jpg

[Bridie]

LOL, sorry, I didn't realise this thread was so old! :p

[Mordid]

LOL, sorry, I didn't realise it was so old! :p

It was like about 2 years ago. :eek:

[Bridie]

It was like about 2 years ago. :eek:Hehe. Sometimes if I can't find anything interesting to read, I go see "who's online" and just click on a thread that isn't familiar to me and has a title that catches my eye. I've found some good threads that way. :p I didn't bother to look at how old the thread was this time though. :D

[Psychonaut]

What Moordyd was really asking here was: "Could Pole be pass for an Wale ?"

[Mordid]

What Moordyd was really asking here was: "Could Pole be pass for an Wale ?"

And what it got to do with this thread ? :confused:

[Bridie]

What Moordyd was really asking here was: "Could Pole be pass for an Wale ?"Its Agrippa who has confused the terms Atlantid and Pontid. To what end I have no idea, since the Atlantic Ocean and the Pontic-Caspian Steppe are at opposite ends of the continent. Maybe its some kind of pan-Europeanism thing...

[Eliades]

It is ridiculous to speak of Atlantids and Pontids as looking the same. I'm of the opinion that so-called North Atlantids are just lighter Atlanto-Meds and North Pontids are just lighter pigmented Eastern Meds. There are obvious differences between Eastern and Western (or Atlanto) Meds, pigmented or not.

This is correct. N.Pontids are pretty just lighter featured Pontids, just as how N.Atlantids are lighter featured Atlanto-Meds.

[Hess]

Its Agrippa who has confused the terms Atlantid and Pontid. To what end I have no idea, since the Atlantic Ocean and the Pontic-Caspian Steppe are at opposite ends of the continent. Maybe its some kind of pan-Europeanism thing...

Oh here we go again, doubting Agrippa :rolleyes2:

[Lisa]

This is correct. N.Pontids are pretty just lighter featured Pontids, just as how N.Atlantids are lighter featured Atlanto-Meds.

Russians is not genetically related with Pontids ! Only the descendants of some Cuban Cossaks brought admixture Pontids from Ukraine . The name of the Northern Pontid a mistake Bunak . He abondoned that name .

[Bridie]

Oh here we go again, doubting Agrippa :rolleyes2::D

Agrippa's biggest fan is on a war path. ;)

[GeistFaust]

No there is a big difference between the two phenotypes they might look similar at times but North Atlantids have one thing that is similar with North Pontids they have some weak and sometimes moderate Med influence. North Pontids usually have East Nordic or Baltid in them which generally gives them a different look or vibe than North Atlantids which are a composition of various types of Nordic types that have been introduced to the British Isles namely Keltic Nordic with in my honest opinions a rare Halstatt Nordic especially in Scotland to compose the North Atlantid race. The North Atlantids are an exotic Keltic Nordic that lack any Dinaric component with light Halstatt Nordic admixture that has Med influences. North Pontids on the other hand are exotic East Nordics (that lack some key features of the East Nordics)with Baltid influences sometimes admixed with Med.

[GeistFaust]

Oh here we go again, doubting Agrippa :rolleyes2:

I don't think it is right to doubt Agrippa because I believe he knows what he is talking about.

[Bridie]

I don't think it is right to doubt Agrippa because I believe he knows what he is talking about.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!


Move over Jesus... Agrippa is in town.... :wink

[Artek]

What do you think about the guys who are looking clearly Nordid, but they have only hair darker? Are they just darker Nordids, Nord-Atlantids or Atlantonordids?

[GeistFaust]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!!!!


Move over Jesus... Agrippa is in town.... :wink

Agrippa is not confusing Atlantid and Pontid actually both of them are different and although they might have some similar aspects at times they have an overall vibe and general look which is quite different.

[Mordid]

No there is a big difference between the two phenotypes they might look similar at times but North Atlantids have one thing that is similar with North Pontids they have some weak and sometimes moderate Med influence. North Pontids usually have East Nordic or Baltid in them which generally gives them a different look or vibe than North Atlantids which are a composition of various types of Nordic types that have been introduced to the British Isles namely Keltic Nordic with in my honest opinions a rare Halstatt Nordic especially in Scotland to compose the North Atlantid race. The North Atlantids are an exotic Keltic Nordic that lack any Dinaric component with light Halstatt Nordic admixture that has Med influences. North Pontids on the other hand are exotic East Nordics (that lack some key features of the East Nordics)with Baltid influences sometimes admixed with Med.

They are basically similiar but not teh same, tho. Nord-Pontid is an intermediate between East Nordid and Pontid, not Baltid. https://static.flashback.org/img/smilies2/whoco5.gif
The difference between Nord-Pontid and Nord-Atlantid is that Nord-Pontid are much higher skulled and has this ''Eastern European'' look.

Nord Pontid from Belarus
http://s011.radikal.ru/i316/1101/31/a5ec1708b983.jpg

Nord-Atlantid from England (Kelticised)
http://www.hunkymalestars.com/652/Sexy-Images/Pic_1.jpg
http://www.thecinemasource.com/moviesdb/images/Matthew_Goode%20-%202%20-%20Imagine_Me_And_You.jpg
http://www.moviewallpaper.net/wpp/Matthew_Goode_in_Brideshead_Revisited_Wallpaper_3_ 800.jpg

[GeistFaust]

What do you think about the guys who are looking clearly Nordid, but they have only hair darker? Are they just darker Nordids, Nord-Atlantids or Atlantonordids?

This is a very interesting question. I think pigmentation and eye color should be less critical of a determining point for a person's phenotype. This guy is North Atlantid but his darker pigmentation qualifies him as a North Atlantid instead of Keltic Nordic. I think a lot of the Irish and British North Atlantids tend to be mixed with Keltic Nordic for the most part while the Scottish North Atlantids tend to be of Halstatt derivation.

[Mordid]

http://www.talentscasting.com/talents/actor/VukKostic/VukKostic01.jpg
http://www.talentscasting.com/talents/actor/VukKostic/VukKostic18.jpg
http://www.talentscasting.com/talents/actor/VukKostic/VukKostic19.jpg
http://www.talentscasting.com/talents/actor/VukKostic/VukKostic08.jpg

[Artek]

I think, that he's just too robust to be even predominantly NordPontid, but I may be wrong.

[Mordid]

I think, that he's just too robust to be even predominantly NordPontid, but I may be wrong.

And that's why I said he's a good example of Nord-Pontid. His somewhat square jawline might have CM influence (West Baltid inspired) but overall, he is a good example of Nord-Pontid.

[GeistFaust]

And that's why I said he's a good example of Nord-Pontid. His somewhat square jawline might have CM influence (West Baltid inspired) but overall, he is a good example of Nord-Pontid.


I agree with Artek for the most part though he might be too robust to be pure North Pontid but he is mostly North Pontid. Here is a stereotypical North Pontid in my mind some of them have a Noric orientation which is befitting of the region they come from. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i073.radikal.ru/1003/dd/b017b515d638.jpg&imgrefurl=http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D10604&usg=__UIdc3CNukHBJlkyH5SsafZ6pHUA=&h=322&w=253&sz=14&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=dNUA2orf1_ooKM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=117&ei=KUP2Te-vKZTfgQfpvoSvDQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNorth%2BPontid%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26s a%3DN%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D875%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1563&vpy=61&dur=2253&hovh=253&hovw=199&tx=150&ty=115&page=1&ndsp=63&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0&biw=1920&bih=875
Here is a good example of a West Baltid looking North Pontid that strikes me as particularly Polish.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/15619/89/156198906.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D17575&usg=__UWFVAZ-6RQ6uj3ZW_dvWm5Oz_Lk=&h=702&w=468&sz=162&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Crhm859whsV0_M:&tbnh=138&tbnw=92&ei=KUP2Te-vKZTfgQfpvoSvDQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNorth%2BPontid%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26s a%3DN%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D875%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1365&vpy=203&dur=874&hovh=275&hovw=183&tx=85&ty=173&page=1&ndsp=63&ved=1t:429,r:22,s:0&biw=1920&bih=875

[Mordid]

I agree with Artek for the most part though he might be too robust to be pure North Pontid but he is mostly North Pontid. Here is a stereotypical North Pontid in my mind some of them have a Noric orientation which is befitting of the region they come from. http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i073.radikal.ru/1003/dd/b017b515d638.jpg&imgrefurl=http://anthrocivitas.net/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D10604&usg=__UIdc3CNukHBJlkyH5SsafZ6pHUA=&h=322&w=253&sz=14&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=dNUA2orf1_ooKM:&tbnh=144&tbnw=117&ei=KUP2Te-vKZTfgQfpvoSvDQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNorth%2BPontid%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26s a%3DN%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D875%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1563&vpy=61&dur=2253&hovh=253&hovw=199&tx=150&ty=115&page=1&ndsp=63&ved=1t:429,r:11,s:0&biw=1920&bih=875
Here is a good example of a West Baltid looking North Pontid that strikes me as particularly Polish.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://img.beta.rian.ru/images/15619/89/156198906.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.forumbiodiversity.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D17575&usg=__UWFVAZ-6RQ6uj3ZW_dvWm5Oz_Lk=&h=702&w=468&sz=162&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Crhm859whsV0_M:&tbnh=138&tbnw=92&ei=KUP2Te-vKZTfgQfpvoSvDQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3DNorth%2BPontid%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26s a%3DN%26biw%3D1920%26bih%3D875%26tbm%3Disch&um=1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=1365&vpy=203&dur=874&hovh=275&hovw=183&tx=85&ty=173&page=1&ndsp=63&ved=1t:429,r:22,s:0&biw=1920&bih=875
No offence but you picked teh worst example. :laugh:

[GeistFaust]

No offence but you picked teh worst example. :laugh:

You think that the guy on the bottom is a poor example I don't think so he looks like a West Baltid with North Pontid influences. You have to admit with the one guy being a classic North Pontid looking individual.

[Mordid]

You think that the guy on the bottom is a poor example I don't think so he looks like a West Baltid with North Pontid influences. You have to admit with the one guy being a classic North Pontid looking individual.

That picture isn't good, tho. Got any properly picture of him ?

[GeistFaust]

That picture isn't good, tho. Got any properly picture of him ?

No but here are some other pictures of classic North Pontid looking people. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21376&page=12

[Mordid]

No but here are some other pictures of classic North Pontid looking people. http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=21376&page=12

Yes, the first guy is a good example of Nord-Pontid and the second guy is rather Pontid with Baltid influence.

[Drawing-slim]

This forum is axpanding. i was looking up north pontid on google and brought me to this thread.
And geistfeist is here wich gave me north pontid on my classification:p

[Dacul]

The differences are:
-at jaws - pontids are orthognathous which means that gonial angles are at 90 degrees.
These are what is called gonial angles:
http://www.dadamo.com/wiki/gonial.jpg
What you see there marked with an I,that angle.
These one does not have gonial angle of 90 degrees.
At north atlantids gonial angles are larger than 90 degrees and pretty often rounded.
-at nose - pontids have their noses wider than north-atlantids
Also I think that pontids have different the cheekbones and the forehead compared to north-atlandids,is possible that north atlantids have the face longer and wider.
Also think pontids got the lines of the face more curved.

[Unome]

North Atlantids are Western European genetic influenced.

North Pontids are Eastern European genetic influenced.

But the same base phonetype underlays both.

[KrashNick]

I think yes , people here usually classify me as North Pontid & North Atlantid .

[bozkur]

No.