British National Party wants to welcome Ireland

[NationalConservative]

Has anyone read the policies of the British National Party on Ulster and Ireland? It says that it wants to keep Ulster as it is and welcome Ireland into the British parliament in order to create a Federation of the British Isles.

[Wulfhere]

Yes, this is well known. They even campaign in southern Ireland, to a certain extent.

[Wyn]

Has anyone read the policies of the British National Party on Ulster

I'm assuming you mean Northern Ireland? Ulster is an Irish province consisting of 9 counties, 6 of which make up Northern Ireland.

[Oinakos Growion]

It's an old story. They even wanted to post some electoral propaganda to Irish households (I think they might have actually done that in some areas). The story was on some newspapers for a day or two.
The news were received with amusement in the Republic it must be said. People were too busy laughing at them to even feel upset :D

[The Lawspeaker]

Well... maybe it's not such a bad idea even it would be a federation on equal terms. With devolution for the English as well as for the other partners.

[Treffie]

Well... maybe it's not such a bad idea even it would be a federation on equal terms. With devolution for the English as well as for the other partners.

Yeah yeah, the Irish will be laughing in their Guinness! :D

[NationalConservative]

I would say that this is intended to restore harmonisation over Ulster between Britain and Ireland in order to end this 'Ulster is Irish' or 'Ulster is British' shenanigan because eventually the argument would be that Ulster is both. Plus, it is probably to help Ireland restore its economy and stop immigration as well and take it out of the EU. However, for the Irish, it would be done on a referendum.

[Osweo]

It's ultimately irrelevant to the raison d'etre of the BNP. I'm a bit puzzled why they even bother with this thorny issue, given its propensity to drag a party or politician down with it. Rather unwise. But nothing to stop the party being the obvious 'anti-immigration' 'anti-anti-national' voter's best option.

[Albion]

Pfft... there's more chance of France falling into the sea than Ireland joining Britain ever again.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[NationalConservative]

Pfft... there's more chance of France falling into the sea than Ireland joining Britain ever again.:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

France has shown itself to be more stable than Ireland has in regards to its economy.

[Magister Eckhart]

Get back to me when there's an Irish National Party.

The BNP is struggling with their new policy of letting coloured people in; I imagine this is a political ploy more than anything else. They'll never get a foot-up over the UUP in terms of Unionism, and if the goal isn't challenging the UUP, good luck challenging Sinn Fein in Irish nationalism; we have that one pretty much clinched.

[antonio]

France has shown itself to be more stable than Ireland has in regards to its economy.

Agree. Maybe if Eire were part of a British confederation, they had been more wiselly controlled, so the rest of UE would nowadays not be required to pay its economical misbehaviour...the celtic tiger and all that shit.

Pd. I dont like little independent countries, they're wrongly misguided even more times than bigger ones.

[NationalConservative]

Get back to me when there's an Irish National Party.

The BNP is struggling with their new policy of letting coloured people in; I imagine this is a political ploy more than anything else. They'll never get a foot-up over the UUP in terms of Unionism, and if the goal isn't challenging the UUP, good luck challenging Sinn Fein in Irish nationalism; we have that one pretty much clinched.

I can only think of Gerry McGeough and Justin Barret as proper Irish Republican Nationalists and it seems that the Irish will not wake up to the state of the country such as the EU, immigration and liberalism. The BNP is struggling with the debts, the suspensions and the EHRC trial.

[Murphy]

The BNP is struggling with their new policy of letting coloured people in; I imagine this is a political ploy more than anything else. They'll never get a foot-up over the UUP in terms of Unionism, and if the goal isn't challenging the UUP, good luck challenging Sinn Fein in Irish nationalism; we have that one pretty much clinched.

Must disagree. SF has sold the Irish community up the river and everyone knows it. Not that the BNP could challenge them, but parties from the South? It is a reality. Plus it wont be long until dissenter paramilitary groups start picking off SF and PIRA men.

[Murphy]

France has shown itself to be more stable than Ireland has in regards to its economy.

Open a history book. Ireland was dirt-poor until the invasion of the EU and this "Celtic Tiger" business. And nationalist sentiment was at an all-time high then. Ireland will never surrender herself to British management.

[Magister Eckhart]

Must disagree. SF has sold the Irish community up the river and everyone knows it. Not that the BNP could challenge them, but parties from the South? It is a reality. Plus it wont be long until dissenter paramilitary groups start picking off SF and PIRA men.

Elaborate.

[Wyn]

Elaborate.

Type "Sinn Fein immigration" into Google.

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To comment on the OP again: The BNP are and will remain a complete joke.

[Murphy]

Elaborate.

The majority of the Irish community does not want to descend back into the days of the Troubles. This is the finger-nail grip SF has on the community, they don't want another war either. However, the majority of the Irish community do still desire a united Ireland. This is something SF know they cannot provide. They enjoy their British salaries too much. It will be a perpetual stalemate between SF and the Unionists with nothing really getting done.

And neither communities want that. At this time, the Irish community is ripe for new party to take SF's position. A party that could promise that there wont be a return to the Troubles but also actively campaign for a united Ireland. One of the parties from the South perhaps?

And a promise such as that, no violence, will come in very handy considering the state of affairs in the Occupied 6 as is. Dissident republican paramilitaries are growing and find they have more balls by the day. Attacks on security forces has increased and there's a greater "policing" presence by them each day. Eventually they will turn their guns on the SF+PIRA. They represent a traitorous coalition to them. If Irishmen could turn their guns on Michael Collins, Gerry Adams is not safe.

[Magister Eckhart]

The majority of the Irish community does not want to descend back into the days of the Troubles. This is the finger-nail grip SF has on the community, they don't want another war either. However, the majority of the Irish community do still desire a united Ireland. This is something SF know they cannot provide. They enjoy their British salaries too much. It will be a perpetual stalemate between SF and the Unionists with nothing really getting done.

And neither communities want that. At this time, the Irish community is ripe for new party to take SF's position. A party that could promise that there wont be a return to the Troubles but also actively campaign for a united Ireland. One of the parties from the South perhaps?

And a promise such as that, no violence, will come in very handy considering the state of affairs in the Occupied 6 as is. Dissident republican paramilitaries are growing and find they have more balls by the day. Attacks on security forces has increased and there's a greater "policing" presence by them each day. Eventually they will turn their guns on the SF+PIRA. They represent a traitorous coalition to them. If Irishmen could turn their guns on Michael Collins, Gerry Adams is not safe.

I think that's a fair and well-reasoned assessment, but who from the South can offer a good alternative? You won't see it coming from Fianna Fail, and the days of real Blueshirts are long gone; Fine Gael is a shadow of its former self. Labour, Green, and the others aren't even worth mention. Sinn Fein is the only genuinely nationalist force in Irish politics today. If that changes, then you'll be right, but that kind of change is certainly not coming from the likes of the BNP.

As I said above, get back to me when there's an Irish National Party.

[Murphy]

I think that's a fair and well-reasoned assessment, but who from the South can offer a good alternative? You won't see it coming from Fianna Fail, and the days of real Blueshirts are long gone; Fine Gael is a shadow of its former self. Labour, Green, and the others aren't even worth mention. Sinn Fein is the only genuinely nationalist force in Irish politics today. If that changes, then you'll be right, but that kind of change is certainly not coming from the likes of the BNP.

To be brutally honest, I don't think there's a good alternative coming from the South or anywhere. The time is ripe, but I don't think anyone's going to pounce on it. The alternatives are as you listed and they have began to make in-roads into the north. Both economically and electorally. And forget the BNP in this discussion. They're not a viable option for Britain never mind Ireland :P.

I weep for Ireland's future. I think, first, the Republic must be stabilised from the modern forces of materialism, militant-atheism and liberalism. That way we can not only provide for the spiritual welfare of our people, but also offer a nice dish for the traditionalist Unionists. With Britain slowly sinking, a land where abortion is illegal, homosexuality is not considered normal etcetera, it would strongly appeal to them.

But that's a lot to do in and of its self.


As I said above, get back to me when there's an Irish National Party.

I'd rather not wait for them. It will just be another BNP :P.

[Wyn]

With Britain slowly sinking, a land where abortion is illegal, homosexuality is not considered normal etcetera, it would strongly appeal to them.


You have to wonder why this isn't capitalised on by republicans/nationalists. Who could want any involvement with the British state now? The situation in Britain could be hugely exploited for the UI cause. Instead they faff about with the socialist/left wing bollocks, which will never appeal to the unionists.

[Magister Eckhart]

I'd rather not wait for them. It will just be another BNP :P.

Could be worse. They could be Parnellites! :p

[NationalConservative]

Open a history book. Ireland was dirt-poor until the invasion of the EU and this "Celtic Tiger" business. And nationalist sentiment was at an all-time high then. Ireland will never surrender herself to British management.

I know that the British oppressed the Irish and hence the rise of Irish Nationalism but if it stayed as a free state then the British would have been able to industrialise the country. Which is better to live: Ireland or Ulster?

[The Lawspeaker]

Ireland apparently. As Northern Ireland still has to carry around this legacy and is the economic backwater of the United Kingdom.
I don't hear much about British people moving to Northern Ireland but there are certainly people that move to Ireland.

And in some cases: industrialisation is not always the key to success. I think that large parts of Europe are clear-cut examples of that- like for instance the British Midlands as industrialisation has a tendency to uproot and destroy society and supplant the population with "cheaper labour".

For instance in my own country we can say that industrialisation wrecked one of the most beautiful provinces of my country (Limburg) while they now also get the unemployment and the imported labour while for instance Drenthe is also poor but still more traditional, smaller in scale and more liveable.

[NationalConservative]

Elaborate.

The Irish are never going to wake up with a proper Nationalist party- Nationalists like Gerry McGeough and Justin Barrett have left Sinn Féin and stood as independent Republicans but won nothing; others like Áine Ní Chonaill only formed Feachtas um Smacht ar Inimirce (Immigration Control Platform) but that won hardly anything and the established parties are pro-EU. There have been groups called 'Ireland First' and 'Irish Nation First' but now they have become defunct and there was for a time the Irish People's Party which was formed in response to the Lisbon Treaty but that has done nothing. The Irish are slower than the British.