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dark-mysterio
07-26-2015, 01:41 AM
are they have Arabs from banu hilal,Banu Souleim etc... in north africa(with a bit of Berber blood ??? :confused: )

The Hilalians or Bani Hilal (Arabic: بنو هلال) were a confederation of Arab tribes of the Hejaz and Najd who emigrated to North Africa in the eleventh century. Masters of the vast plateaus of Najd, the Bani Hilal had a very bad reputation. Recent converts to Islam, they were known for their depredations on the borders of Iraq and Syria. With the revolutionary movement of the Ismaili Qarmatians in Bahrain and Oman, the Bani Hilal participated in 930 pillage of Mecca in their fight against the Fatimids. Thus the latter soon becoming masters of Egypt and founders of Cairo in 969, hastened to confine the unruly Bedouin in the south before sending them to the Maghreb.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banu_Hilal


Like maybe these people:
http://www.noelshack.com/2015-26-1435034323-layla-9.jpg
http://www.noelshack.com/2015-26-1435034324-569431-leila-bekhti-aux-cesar-637x0-1.jpg
http://www.noelshack.com/2015-26-1435034324-339671-karima-charni-en-discussions-pour-diapo-2.jpg
http://www.noelshack.com/2015-26-1435034324-el-general-teaser.jpg
http://www.noelshack.com/2015-26-1435034324-jamel-debbouze-produit-une-serie-pour-canal.jpg
http://www.noelshack.com/2015-26-1435034324-balti.jpg


ethnics map of Algeria made by French colonialist scientific

yellow:Algerian mixed with black
white/black:Mozabite
red:Arab-Berber
Grey:Arabs
blue:Berber-Arab
green:Berbers

http://www.noelshack.com/2015-26-1435105149-800px-races-algerie.jpg



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabs#mtDNA_analysis


Y-chromosome

Haplogroup E1b1b is the most frequent haplogroup in Western Arabs (Maghrebis) while haplogroup J is the most frequent haplogroup in Eastern Arabs (Mashriq).[136]

The paternal ancestry found across all Arabic countries is Haplogroup J1, especially its major subclade J-P58, the haplogroup that spread with Arabic conquest in the 7th century. It was found that Haplogroup J1 occur at high frequencies among the Arabic-speaking populations of the Middle East and is the prevalent Y-chromosome lineage within the Near East. Haplogroup J1e (J-P58) is also associated with a Semitic linguistic common denominator, with the YCAII 22-22 allele state is closely associated with J1e.[137] J-P58 subclade of J1 is the single paternal lineage originating in the Near East of high frequency in Bedouins 70%, Yemenis 68%, Jordanians 55%, 55% of Palestinian Arabs, 48% of Omani People 34% of Tunisians, 35% of Algerians,[138][139][140] and its precipitations drop in frequency as one moves away from Saudi Arabia and the Near East. J-P58 include all the J1-CMH haplotypes and is YCAII=22-22 motif, both are found in Arabs and J1-Cohanim (Y-chromosomal Aaron).[141][142] The motif YCAII=22-22 characterize a monophyletic clad found in Arabs but less frequent in Ethiopian J1 and rare in Europe and Caucasus.[143][144] It has now been resolved that the Arabic clade J1-P58, L147.1 (the major clad of P58 and still the major clade of J1) include all CMH haplotypes and is YCAII=22-22 (both specific to

Arabs and J1-Cohanim) was the J1 clade that spread far and wide by the Islamic conquest.[145] Both Qahtanite and Adnanite Arabs are J1-P58 haplogroup since the Arabs of North Africa like Algeria (known to have Qahtanite lineage from the Arab conquest and Adnanite lineage from Bani Hilal and bani Sulaim migration to North Africa in the 10th century by the Fatimides, yet only E of the Berber and J1 are found in Arabs of North Africa and this J1 is marked by CMH and the motif YCAII=22-22. The J2 in Algerian Arabs is minor 3% and is of the rare J2-M67 of Chechnya, rarely found in other Arabic countries and non existent in Arabian Peninsula and Yemen.[146][147] The Arab conquest appears to have had a dramatic influence on the East and South Mediterranean coasts. The presence of Arab Y chromosome lineages in the Middle East suggests that most have experienced substantial gene flow from the Arabian peninsula.[148]

dark-mysterio
07-27-2015, 03:00 AM
:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

dark-mysterio
07-31-2015, 09:13 PM
:confused::confused::confused:

dark-mysterio
08-02-2015, 02:37 AM
nobody here :confused::confused:

dark-mysterio
08-03-2015, 02:02 AM
:confused::bored:

dark-mysterio
08-19-2015, 09:21 PM
:confused:

Shah-Jehan
08-19-2015, 09:22 PM
Wadaad can help.

aksakallicocuk
08-19-2015, 09:25 PM
Those aren't arabs.

Raikaswinþs
08-19-2015, 09:36 PM
TL;DR?

dark-mysterio
09-04-2015, 04:04 PM
Those aren't arabs.

why :confused:

aksakallicocuk
09-04-2015, 06:23 PM
why :confused:

Algerians are nearly entirely berbers. Not arabs

Kamal900
09-04-2015, 06:31 PM
Algerians are nearly entirely berbers. Not arabs

Genetically wise, yes.

Gaston
09-04-2015, 06:55 PM
why :confused:

99% of the samples and individuals from the Maghreb don't show any trace of Arabian ancestry genetically. The Hilalian invasion is another grossly exaggerated story.

dark-mysterio
09-25-2015, 03:07 PM
:confused:

Rudel
09-25-2015, 03:12 PM
The Hilalian invasion is another grossly exaggerated story.
Depends what you're talking about. Genetically sure, but it's attested the invasions about that time wrecked the agricultural system in place since Roman times and led to widespread desertification.

dddcc
08-19-2016, 11:02 PM
Generally speaking North-Africans score about 25% Arabian in some Gedmatch calculators so we could say that North-Africans are around 1/4 Arab.

sanhadji
09-17-2022, 10:05 PM
Generally speaking North-Africans score about 25% Arabian in some Gedmatch calculators so we could say that North-Africans are around 1/4 Arab.

people often do the mistake to confuse arab with arabians, arabians were arabized after islam
before islam arabia was like south america with different ethnicities (even a jewish kingdom) and languages arabs tribes were present in some cities but they are not originally from modern arabia
this banu hilal tribes exist ibn khaldoun and other historians mention them, they are 500 in algeria they don't mix and look nothing like arabians they tend to look caucasian even if they live in the desert they have gracile features and light skin, they had bad reputation because their arrival was followed by a invasion of gypsies bedouins coming from arabia and egypt and claiming to belong to banu hilal tribes but this people don't look like the "banu hilal" and mix with everybody (they look more afro)
north african who have 1/4 "arabian" ancestry are probably related to the second group

amazigh_Morocco
09-18-2022, 11:05 AM
Hello
I am new in this forum.
Here is what I get for North African Arabs with the Vahaduo tool.

https://i.ibb.co/D1DS42R/Sans-titre.png

If you want to reproduce the same graph as I did
1. Here is the link to the VAHADUO tool: https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/
2. in the Sheet "SOURCE", you can copy my model that you will find in the link: https://justpaste.it/9qqaf
3. in the Sheet "TARGET", you can copy the populations coordinates that I get from https://www.exploreyourdna.com/ (I copy them in the link https://justpaste.it/4g0vv).
4. you can play with the tool in the sheet MULTI and just click on RUN.