Does it mean I have some Slavic in me?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 4.16
2 North_Dutch 5.26
3 Danish 5.56
4 Norwegian 6.14
5 Irish 6.57
6 Swedish 6.7
7 Orcadian 6.77
8 West_Scottish 7.65
9 Southeast_English 7.92
10 Southwest_English 8.57
11 South_Dutch 8.91
12 West_German 9.05
13 Austrian 11.62
14 East_German 11.92
15 North_Swedish 11.96
16 French 14.92
17 Hungarian 15.79
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.36
19 South_Polish 20.55
20 Croatian 20.79


I get Hungarian, South_Polish and Croatian (albeit in the bottom 4). How typical is it for North or West Euros to get this?

I always assumed I have some Slavic in me on both sides, my father's ancestors being Sudetenland Germans who probably were mixed with Czechs. And my mother's ancestry comes from Pomerania which was formerly inhabited by Slavs who were Germanized. My mother's ancestors' surname has a Slavic origin, although that does not necessarily mean Slavic ancestry as Germans could have easily just taken the name of a place that has a Slavic origin. My ancestors' surname is a place in Poland (formerly Prussia). So perhaps.

I have talked to my good friend who knows a lot about genetics before, and he told me most ethnic Germans from what is now Poland have the R1a haplogroup (and not the Germanic sub-clade that is found mostly in Norway). So they were probably Germanized Slavs or Balts.

What do you think?

[Smitty]

I can't comment on the genetics of it, but based on your ancestry, I would consider it likely.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I can't comment on the genetics of it, but based on your ancestry, I would consider it likely.

Thanks for your input :)

most people who I tell my story to, they say that it's probable that I have a Slav ancestor. Considering most ethnic Germans who were expelled from Poland after WW2 had R1a haplogroup (according to study) it would be unlikely that all of my Pomeranian ancestors were pure German, since the majority of them had the R1a haplogroup, which in this case is Slavic or Baltic since it isn't the specific German sub-clade.

Historians even before genetics knew that many of the people in Pomerania were Germanized Slavs, it's just the history and obvious even without genetic evidence. Rhinelanders would call Prussians Poles, from what I hear. So there is even some discrimination coming from other Germans against Pomeranians and the like, because of their Slavic origins.

I probably do have some in me, it is what I have always assumed.

Also, even if I did not I would still be close to them, thanks to genetics we know the borders of Europe are not drawn how they should be according to genetics. Polish and Germans are very much the same. Slavs and Germanics are not that different, in regards to their ancestry, the only real difference is that Slavs have more Baltic Hunter-Gatherer and Germans have more N. Atlantic admixture. Otherwise they are the same. Phenotypes is a whole different thing, since ethnic groups breed out certain phenotypes. Phenotypes and genetics are very much different, really.

I should add, though, that even though I have always assumed I have some Slavic in me, and I am even somewhat of a Slavophile, I do not truly feel Slavic. Especially since my own ancestors would have been expelled or put in camps in Poland or Czechoslovakia after WW2 just for speaking German, even though they themselves have Slavic origins. I feel I can not trust the Slavs, I do not really feel close to them, but I want to, because I love their culture.

[Smitty]

Thanks for your input :)

Yeah, real significant contribution on my part. :lol:


most people who I tell my story to, they say that it's probable that I have a Slav ancestor. Considering most ethnic Germans who were expelled from Poland after WW2 had R1a haplogroup (according to study) it would be unlikely that all of my Pomeranian ancestors were pure German, since the majority of them had the R1a haplogroup, which in this case is Slavic or Baltic since it isn't the specific German sub-clade.

Historians even before genetics knew that many of the people in Pomerania were Germanized Slavs, it's just the history and obvious even without genetic evidence. Rhinelanders would call Prussians Poles, from what I hear. So there is even some discrimination coming from other Germans against Pomeranians and the like, because of their Slavic origins.

I probably do have some in me, it is what I have always assumed.

Also, even if I did not I would still be close to them, thanks to genetics we know the borders of Europe are not drawn how they should be according to genetics. Polish and Germans are very much the same. Slavs and Germanics are not that different, in regards to their ancestry, the only real difference is that Slavs have more Baltic Hunter-Gatherer and Germans have more N. Atlantic admixture. Otherwise they are the same. Phenotypes is a whole different thing, since ethnic groups breed out certain phenotypes. Phenotypes and genetics are very much different, really.

I should add, though, that even though I have always assumed I have some Slavic in me, and I am even somewhat of a Slavophile, I do not truly feel Slavic. Especially since my own ancestors would have been expelled or put in camps in Poland or Czechoslovakia after WW2 just for speaking German, even though they themselves have Slavic origins. I feel I can not trust the Slavs, I do not really feel close to them, but I want to, because I love their culture.

Yes, the Slavs inhabited lands far west of where present-day borders would indicate. An ancestor of mine lived on the island of Fehmarn very near the Danish-German border, and in reading about the island, I remember being surprised that it was initially inhabited by Slavs. And that's not even eastern Germany, much less the present-day Czech Republic and Poland.

Your Slavic component may be small, and it probably doesn't have much impact on who you are. But the connection is there nonetheless.

[Petalpusher]

Long story short, nope.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Long story short, nope.

You are the only person who thinks so.

Judging just by the genetics, it doesn't look like it huh?

To be frank I never truly felt Slavic. I did assume I was, though, and I love their culture :) but I don't feel a real connection to them. Especially since Poland and Czechoslovakia kicked out the "Germans" after WW2. It just shows they do not even love their own people...well, it just means it wasn't meant to be that all Slavs should be together.

[Petalpusher]

You are the only person who thinks so.

Judging just by the genetics, it doesn't look like it huh?


From your gedmatch results nothing points to recent slavic, i can't invent it. If you go back thousands of years ago in your line maybe... but only what you are right now genetically matters.

[Neon Knight]

What Petalpusher says is correct. It is just an eastern pull from your German ancestry.


Also, even if I did not I would still be close to them, thanks to genetics we know the borders of Europe are not drawn how they should be according to genetics. Polish and Germans are very much the same. Slavs and Germanics are not that different, in regards to their ancestry, the only real difference is that Slavs have more Baltic Hunter-Gatherer and Germans have more N. Atlantic admixture. Otherwise they are the same. Phenotypes is a whole different thing, since ethnic groups breed out certain phenotypes. Phenotypes and genetics are very much different, really.

I think it's more compex than that. The GEDmatch genetic categories do not represent actual subraces but are convenient points on a genetic 'matrix' for calculating a genetic position. At a very fine scale there are particular genetic differences between Poles and Germans, for example.

[Permafrost]

The results say you're the furthest thing from from a Slav there is.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

What Petalpusher says is correct. It is just an eastern pull from your German ancestry.



I think it's more compex than that. The GEDmatch genetic categories do not represent actual subraces but are convenient points on a genetic 'matrix' for calculating a genetic position. At a very fine scale there are particular genetic differences between Poles and Germans, for example.

So how are Poles and Germans actually different?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

The results say you're the furthest thing from from a Slav there is.

Wow, okay :)

it's weird, though, there are some slavic people that remind me of myself. But a lot more non-Slavic people too.

[Permafrost]

Wow, okay :)

it's weird, though, there are some slavic people that remind me of myself. But a lot more non-Slavic people too.

Not joking, I've seen some non-slavs getting much higher slavic results. I guess you only got Croats and Poles at the end because they had to fill in the remaining two places and they ran out of Germanic countries :D

You're not part of the Slavic family. But I'm a slav and am not part of it either, mostly because most of the time there is no slavic family.

[LecomtsevAlexander]

if there is Eastern Europe, it means that at any Slavs. I have 70 percent of my other 57 percent. Even the Italians and the French have of Eastern Europe.

[LecomtsevAlexander]

the only thing that I did not understand. I can not distinguish from the Baltic Slavs in all respects. I know the old prayer of the Russian Orthodox Church: богородица диво радуйся , благословлён плод и брак чрева твоего яко спаса родила еси душ наших . Диво Divo in Latvian and Lithuanian god.Balts speak bearded old Russian. even dialects of Russian Saint - Petersburg and Moscow is very similar to the dialect of Latvian. always put the emphasis on the first syllable.

[Bezprym]

I will say some things here.

First of all, before I entered this thread after just reading its name I wanted to ask crucial question: "Do you like alcohol?". It is quite important, you know - kinda Slavic spiritual tradition. But then I've noticed you are Irish, so I already know the answer :)

Slavs lived in huge part of modern day Germany. Berlin, for instance, is a Slavic name. Not Polish though - in Middle Ages there lived a powerful Slavic tribes - Obodrites and Veleti. The whole eastern part of Germany was inhabited by Slavic peoples. In 1147, an Obodrite prince called Niklot, was fighting with Germans and Danish in so-called Wendish Crusade - the only crusade which resulted in a victory of the pagans, who still believed in their gods. Unfortunately, Germans conquered them and now only Lusatian Sorbs know about their Slavic heritage.

Pomerania on the other hand is not necessarily germanized. At least, when you'll ask Poles who live there, they will answer you that they are Poles. Or Kashubians, depends on a territory. But I don't know why you suggest "germanization" of Pomeranians, as most of it was always in Polish borders, until partitions, during which Poles in general were opposed to any anti-Polish attituted of occupants. They never let Russians to russify, nor Germans to germanize.

Prussia on the other hand, was most often under German rule, and many places there have names of German origin. Even Grunwald, where the most famous battle for Poles took place, is in German language.

You mentioned also Hungarians, but Hungarians are not Slavs.

I am not sure if basing views on history is reasonable now. I am not going to justify the deeds of Poles and Czechoslovaks, even if they had some reasons to hate Germans (obviously), but what can we say about people who lived in these times? Were they brilliant? Were they educated? Were they same Poles as Poles are today?

PS. Baltic languages speaking Old Russian? This is the best joke I've read here today. I know - some people just want to break a system, to say something different and shocking - but really... are they smarter than linguistic experts, who spent their life on studying?

[jtoml3]

I will say some things here.

First of all, before I entered this thread after just reading its name I wanted to ask crucial question: "Do you like alcohol?". It is quite important, you know - kinda Slavic spiritual tradition. But then I've noticed you are Irish, so I already know the answer :)

Slavs lived in huge part of modern day Germany. Berlin, for instance, is a Slavic name. Not Polish though - in Middle Ages there lived a powerful Slavic tribes - Obodrites and Veleti. The whole eastern part of Germany was inhabited by Slavic peoples. In 1147, an Obodrite prince called Niklot, was fighting with Germans and Danish in so-called Wendish Crusade - the only crusade which resulted in a victory of the pagans, who still believed in their gods. Unfortunately, Germans conquered them and now only Lusatian Sorbs know about their Slavic heritage.

Pomerania on the other hand is not necessarily germanized. At least, when you'll ask Poles who live there, they will answer you that they are Poles. Or Kashubians, depends on a territory. But I don't know why you suggest "germanization" of Pomeranians, as most of it was always in Polish borders, until partitions, during which Poles in general were opposed to any anti-Polish attituted of occupants. They never let Russians to russify, nor Germans to germanize.

Prussia on the other hand, was most often under German rule, and many places there have names of German origin. Even Grunwald, where the most famous battle for Poles took place, is in German language.

You mentioned also Hungarians, but Hungarians are not Slavs.

I am not sure if basing views on history is reasonable now. I am not going to justify the deeds of Poles and Czechoslovaks, even if they had some reasons to hate Germans (obviously), but what can we say about people who lived in these times? Were they brilliant? Were they educated? Were they same Poles as Poles are today?

PS. Baltic languages speaking Old Russian? This is the best joke I've read here today. I know - some people just want to break a system, to say something different and shocking - but really... are they smarter than linguistic experts, who spent their life on studying?

One of my Polish lines is Kashubian. Like Ołówek, my understanding is Poles and Kashubians resisted any change to their culture and beliefs, from Russians or Germans. Kaszubi is quite unique and therefore Germanisation would have been out of the question for those people.

[LecomtsevAlexander]

in Russia many linvisty erased the line between European Scythians, Slavs and Balts. they share the word education. The first such person was Lomonosov and had contemporaries including today.I remembered among his contemporaries Lomonosov was a Pole.just as linguists have erased borders of Baltic, Slavic and European Scythians - began an attack on the Etruscan alphabet.

[Bezprym]

in Russia many linvisty erased the line between European Scythians, Slavs and Balts. they share the word education.

Scythian language was a language to which Osetian is related. Not Slavic nor Baltic languages. However it is natural for languages to be influenced by different ones. Lithuanian share similarities with Sanskrit, but it doesn't make Lithuanians to be speaking "old bearded Sanskrit". It is simple - language is evolving all the time, and is influenced by other languages, while at the same time influences other languages.

For example let's take my nickname. It means "a pencil". So, we have:

- Polish - ołówek
- Bosnian/Serbian/Croatian - olovka
- Belarusian - аловак (alovak)
- Ukrainian - олівець (olivec)
- Russian - карандаш (karandash)

These are Slavic languages, but apparently, Russian is different and totally not related. These particular languages share ethymology for the word "pencil". Russian, on the other hand is more similar to: karandaş, which is Azerbaijani word. Does it mean Russian language is not Slavic? No. It means, Russian language was also influenced by other languages and it means actually nothing.

Baltic languages are Baltic. Slavic languages are Slavic. Scythian language was simply Scythian. Different stories.

However, to dispute about linguistics we should move out from here, as this thread is not related for what we started to talk about.

[LecomtsevAlexander]

there is a theory about the origin of the Latvian Russian from the Baltic. it seems to me that if a serious look as modifying the Ruthenian language with each century. Ruthenian language Balt lost presence in itself.Slavic peoples Ilmen Slovenes in the Novgorod earth and vyatichi radimychi near Moscow will be only 6 that age. vyatichi and radimychi to 12 century to assimilate local byltov "golyd." Ilmen Slavs in the 9th century, was the largest that the people of Novgorod. laws published in Novgorod veche way the election dominated the majority of the only Slavic tribe always wins, with the adoption of Christianity mixed with Baltic Slavs and Finno - Ugric conflicts began.




Осетинские слова в русском языке

русск.- осетинск.
1. Ничьи – ничи
2. хорош - хорз(хорж)
3. Я, Аз(старослов.)- аез
4. Талмач,переводчик- таелмац
5. Тает – таи
6. Канон(делать)– каенон (гл.) -
7. Край - каерон
8. Роды – род (новорожденный теленок).
9. Ты – ды
10.Бурый – бур (цвет) темно-желтый.
11.Умер – амард
12.мед – мыд
13.ведать – выд (вед) – след. Идти по следу.
14.медведь – мыд ваед
15.зевака – зеваег (диг.) – лентяй, бездельник
16.дзяды (беларус.) – заед – святой, ангел
17.мысль – мыс – дума, думать
18.мышь – мышт
19.знак – зынаег – то что виднеется
20.бахтерь – баехдар – носимое лошадью
21.есть – исты – что-нибудь, в наличии
22.рамо (устар.) – арм - конечность
23.дурак – дураег – каменный (т.е. тупой, тугодум)
24.стрый(устар.) старый – стыр
25.горн – гарна (гаераен) – печь для обжига
26.по-чет – цыт - слава
27.гарда – кард – меч или основание рукоятки меча
28.ватага – фаетаег – группа.
29.группа – гуыппыртае – группировки, толпы
30.трус – таерс
31.важный – ваз-ыг – весомый,значительный
32.вес – уаез – тяжесть
33.тыл – тыл – верхняя часть черепа, затылок (за тылом)
34.окраина – а каеройнае (устар.) – край, порубежье
35.ворог(устар.) враг – уаераг- колено. По разделению «Саерфад» враги относятся к ноге.
36.бугай – богъа – бык
37.богатырь – баегъатыр – богатырь
сапог, туман, собака, топор, рай, штаны, Бог, степь, сарафан, кумир, хоругвь, зло, морда
Lomonosov initially erased when Granitz between the European Scythians, Slavs and Balts was fascinated by the fact that all these three groups as if speaking the same language, they are mixed with each other very quickly.
pronunciation of letters I know that the letter Аз they also Аз. один they одыг.
Cossacks are direct descendants of European Scythians. Ossetians were not Cossacks, because they have Georgian culture. Sarmatians have a haplogroup R1a, which is soluble in Russian as the living water. in Iranian language Кутья dog in Russian кутешонок called puppy .. Kutta dog in Hindi. Iranian Baloch people can be interpreted as belyashi. Kalash people of Iran can be interpreted as Kalachi. in Persian resemblance to Russian 28%.
Persians called Парсы . Парсь language Sarmatian pig. Persian is something akin to the Russian out of the Iranian sarmatok. Persians pig - SEVENIA. so that the поросёнок in Russian (child pig). I know that in many instances, which makes the ending of the great little animal - a пи. eg ыжпи(ягнёнок) or кечпи(козлёнок) or кучапи(щенок)

[Neon Knight]

So how are Poles and Germans actually different?

You could ask that about people in general. The vast majority of genes in all humans are the same but the tiny % that varies gives rise to different appearance, different health and different abilities. Its a good question really and you could do a thread on it in the Genetics section. But just for one example, Germans would have more blond hair genes on average and Poles would have more of the genes that give them the slightly different head shape.

[Reith]

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 North_German 4.16
2 North_Dutch 5.26
3 Danish 5.56
4 Norwegian 6.14
5 Irish 6.57
6 Swedish 6.7
7 Orcadian 6.77
8 West_Scottish 7.65
9 Southeast_English 7.92
10 Southwest_English 8.57
11 South_Dutch 8.91
12 West_German 9.05
13 Austrian 11.62
14 East_German 11.92
15 North_Swedish 11.96
16 French 14.92
17 Hungarian 15.79
18 Southwest_Finnish 19.36
19 South_Polish 20.55
20 Croatian 20.79


I get Hungarian, South_Polish and Croatian (albeit in the bottom 4). How typical is it for North or West Euros to get this?

I always assumed I have some Slavic in me on both sides, my father's ancestors being Sudetenland Germans who probably were mixed with Czechs. And my mother's ancestry comes from Pomerania which was formerly inhabited by Slavs who were Germanized. My mother's ancestors' surname has a Slavic origin, although that does not necessarily mean Slavic ancestry as Germans could have easily just taken the name of a place that has a Slavic origin. My ancestors' surname is a place in Poland (formerly Prussia). So perhaps.

I have talked to my good friend who knows a lot about genetics before, and he told me most ethnic Germans from what is now Poland have the R1a haplogroup (and not the Germanic sub-clade that is found mostly in Norway). So they were probably Germanized Slavs or Balts.

What do you think?

You are mostly Northern Germanic with some Celtic. Similar to me.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

You are mostly Northern Germanic with some Celtic. Similar to me.

I'm actually very much Celtic and Northern Germanic. But I also have Alpinid blood from Southern Germany.