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revealman
07-27-2015, 12:23 PM
long time before the first slovak republic the ancestors of todays slovaks lived on the territory of modern slovakia and hungary and the land was called sclavonia! even hungarian historians agree! before the magyars arrive at 1000 ad the slavic empires stretched from ukraine to croatia, after the magyars conquered great moravia and the bavarians conquered carantania and styria which were former slavic states the slavs were divided into smaller states and so were born the separated tribes of slovaks, czechs, slovenians, croats and serbs... the sclavoni are forefathers of modern slovaks and modern slovakia was part of sclavonia till we were separated by magyars 1000 ad

http://s17.postimg.org/g5ibqcnjz/marava.png

http://s9.postimg.org/ern3uuyhq/11_t_rk_p1.jpg

http://s24.postimg.org/kbpaj2fcl/slovenska_zem3.jpg

In 1029 St. Emeric, ruler of the Nitrian principality is called Henricus dux Sclavonie.
- In 1113 Nestor calls the territory of present-day Slovakia Slověnskaja zemlja (Slovak land). Official name of Slovakia in Slovak language is still Slovensko.
- In 1571 Slovakia is mentioned in Czech records: Slowáci jsou w krajině Slovenské... (Slovaks are in Slovak land...); or Na Moravě aSlowácých... (In Moravia and Slovakia...).
- In 1645 there's a record in German language In Schlowaken... - In Slovakia...
- In 1669 the Latin record proves that the Sclavonia term equals Slovensko = Slovakia in the Central European area: de pago Vrbka in Sklavonia - from a village Vrbka in Slovakia.
- In 1675 people of Broumovsko county ask the hetman in Uherské Hradiště about the exception of their county in borders conflicts: aby místa a chotary od Slovenska jsouci, přehlédnuté byly. - od Slovenska = from Slovakia.
- In 1697 we know about another German record Ein Slowak aus der Slowakei - A Slovak from Slovakia.
- In 1696 in a marriage register it's written Slovenka ze Slovák... - A Slovak woman from Slovakia.

Source: Kultúra Slova, ročník 26, číslo 8, 1992

Important notice! Present-day Slovakia as such was definitely integrated in the new Kingdom of Hungary in the 12th-13th century (by the centralization of the state), but as you can see, Slovakia was still perceived as a separated unit in the official documents.

Raikaswinţs
07-27-2015, 12:28 PM
I've been to Slovakia a couple of times. Interesting place.

aksakallicocuk
07-27-2015, 12:39 PM
Eveythread starts as "real history" is a total bullshit.

revealman
07-27-2015, 12:46 PM
http://s2.postimg.org/cwttt6xtl/01_pribina.jpg
http://s12.postimg.org/6kmu8x065/morava.jpg
http://s15.postimg.org/tjogqc8qz/08_mikul_ice2.jpg
http://s1.postimg.org/xfsie2tbz/09_mikul_ice3.jpg
http://s9.postimg.org/63ne3iiov/07_mikul_ice1.jpg

revealman
07-27-2015, 12:49 PM
I've been to Slovakia a couple of times. Interesting place.
i have read a a lot about armenia very interesting and history rich country too! especially i like this place: mount nemrut!

Raikaswinţs
07-27-2015, 12:55 PM
i have read a a lot about armenia very interesting and history rich country too! especially i like this place: mount nemrut!

I'm dying to visit armenia too. I am going to make it my 30th anniversary trip: Georgia-Armenia (I would like to go all the way to Baku as I love the Caucasus region, but I'm not sure it s possible to cross to Azerbajan from Armenia as the relation between those two countries sadly is dire.)

I am Hispanic btw. I spent New Years eve in 2009-2010 in a snowy mountain shelter in Slovakia and it was awesome and visited a couple of times for skying. Have also travelled with a lorry driver friend of mine delivering cargos through the country and neighbouring Hungary.

revealman
07-27-2015, 12:59 PM
this map shows slavic tribes in europe and the gap between eastern and southern slavs is hungary which proves that magyars separated the slavic empire through conquering of pannonia!!! modern day hungary was slavic before 1000 ad magyars arrived! slovaks are descendants of great moravia this is why slovaks and moravians love each other and speak similar dialect.

http://s4.postimg.org/txd5fj565/slavland.jpg

revealman
07-27-2015, 01:01 PM
I'm dying to visit armenia too. I am going to make it my 30th anniversary trip: Georgia-Armenia (I would like to go all the way to Baku as I love the Caucasus region, but I'm not sure it s possible to cross to Azerbajan from Armenia as the relation between those two countries sadly is dire.)

I am Hispanic btw. I spent New Years eve in 2009-2010 in a snowy mountain shelter in Slovakia and it was awesome and visited a couple of times for skying. Have also travelled with a lorry driver friend of mine delivering cargos through the country and neighbouring Hungary.
sounds very nice! :thumb001:

if you have the chance to do the trip then go for it will be great for sure man! the caucasus is very interesting place

revealman
07-27-2015, 01:17 PM
modern day slovakia was called sclavinia before magyars conquered in 1000 ad

http://s13.postimg.org/tt60uihlz/slovakia_sclavonia.png

territory of great moravia
http://s11.postimg.org/5l0o7gqub/150_01.jpg

mojmir

http://s21.postimg.org/fqo00kwxz/Mojmir_kniieza_Velkomoravske.jpg

traditional outfit of slovak nitra principality

http://s9.postimg.org/5huqwew4f/VIII_12_07_A.jpg

revealman
07-27-2015, 01:48 PM
our coat of arms the double cross inherited from byzantine christians during moravian empire

http://s17.postimg.org/5iho5uptr/Sv_topluk_szobor.jpg

modern version
http://s24.postimg.org/wygagws39/svk44.png

revealman
07-27-2015, 01:56 PM
slovakia


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pidrGIcyRAY

revealman
07-27-2015, 02:03 PM
The first recorded mention of Slav princes near Pannonia goes back to 803 CE. In 805, the presence of Prince Vratislav, Lord of the Bratislava Castle, signifies the arrival of the second historic Slav in the Middle Danube. In an anonymous Bavarian geographic work Descriptio, Civitatum et Regionum ad septentrional emplagam Danubiti, it mentions, in 817, the existence of 30 castles on the territory of the principality of Nitra and 11 castles on the territory of the Kingdom of Great Moravia.In 822, emissaries sent by the Slavs visited Emperor Louis the Pious at the Imperial Dietof Frankfurt and in 828, the Archbishop Adalram of Salzburg consecrated the Church of thecourt of Prince Pribina in Nitra. The oldest mentions of the subject of theChristianization of the Slavs in the Middle Danube goes back to the seventh century, tothe epoch of Bishop Amand, an apostle of the Belges. After his mission, the arrival oftravelling Irish and Scottish missionaries was attested to in the region of High Nitra.



In 833, animportant political event took place in this region. Prince Mojmr, from the principalityof Moravia, and his army, attacked the principality of Nitra, conquering it and creatingin a relatively vast territory, a united Slav State. The Empire unified the Slavs of Nitraand Moravia. The principality of Mojmr is known in historiography under the incorrectname of Great Moravia. This designation was was assigned 100 years later, after itsdisappearance, by the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII, even though no historic sourcefrom the 9th century mentions the formation of a State called Great Moravia.

Prince Pribina, after fleeing Nitra, became the Lord of theSlavs, occuying the Transdanubian Pannonia. He founded the principality of Balaton, hadcastles and churches built, and obtained remarkable results in his efforts ofChristianization in this region. After his death in 861, his son Kocel, who ruled theprincipality of Balaton until 876, continued his father’s work.

The empire of Mojmr became the target of Christianizationled by the Frank clergy, which is attested to by the Ecclestiastical Assembly of 852 atMohuc and the reports by the Ecclesiastical Missions of Salzburg. But the rich deposits ofiron, silver and copper also served as strong attractions to the rulers of the Frankempire. It was for this reason that Louis II the German, with his armies, invaded theprincipality of Mojmr, stripping Mojmr I of his crown, and entrusting the royalty tohis son, Rastislav.

Prince Rastislav I stood out as an efficient and wise lord.To put an end to the aggressiveness of the Eastern Franks, he attempted, starting in 853,to establish an alliance with the Bulgars. He resisted several military attacks by theFranks and, in 855, challenged the huge army of King Louis the Pious at Devin and, in 857,even conquered Duke Carloman and established, in 857, a peace treaty with him.

Ratislav I wisely understood the importance ofChristianization of the Slavs and asked the Pope in Rome, in 861, to send a Bishop to hiskingdom. His request fell on deaf ears in Rome and, so, in 862, he asked the ByzantineEmperor Michael III to send him a Bishop and religion teachers. The famous letter fromRatislav I to Emperor Michael III began with these words: " ...We, the Slavs, asimple people, have no-one to teach us the truth..." The Emperor agreed to hisrequest and sent Ratislav two apostles, Cyril and Methodius, who were brothers and nativesof the city of Salonika (today Thessalonika).

They, even before leaving the Byzantine Empire, had createdthe first Slavic alphabet, called glagolitic and had translated several religious worksinto the Slavon language (ancient Slav).

After their arrival in the principality of Rastislav, Cyriland Methodius, accompanied by a large group of scholars, founded, using as a model theAcademy of Constantinople, the first academy in Slovakia and further developed writing inthe Slav language, to which were translated other religious texts and in which severalliterary works, poems and judicial acts were written (Proglas Poem, the work" Warnings to Lords, a judicial Code for the common people, ", etc...)The work of Cyril and Methodius includes:
first Slav alphabet
first translations into the Slav language -- the Slavon (ancient Slav) in 862
first large Slav school (863)
first translations and first literary, philosophical and legal works in the language of the Subdanubian Slavs -- Slavon (863-886)
establishment of the Slavon language as the liturgical language (867), first liturgical Slav language after Hebrew, Latin and Greek
First Slav Bishop - Cyril (Constantine) (868)
First legate of the Holy See for the Slav countries - Methodius (869)
First archdiocese in the Slav countries - Bishop Methodius (869)

The first archdiocese was not established in Prague until1344.

From 869-871, the intrigues and military attacks led by theEastern Franks against the principality of the Slavs intensified. After Rastislav wastaken prisoner by the Franks and lost his sight, and after the large anti-Germanicinsurrection of Slavomr, Svtopluk acceded to the throne of the principality. From872-876, Svtopluk conquered the armies of Louis several times and kept his independence.In 880, Pope John VIII, by the act "Industriae tuae " crownedSvtopluk King and gave his kingdom the protection of the Holy See.

Important events during the period of the Kingdom ofSvtopluk:

- 874 Occupation of the Vistule Basin by Svtopluk
- 882 Occupation of the territory of Bohemia/present day Czech Republic excluding Moravia
- 883 Invasion and Occupation of Pannonia
- 889 Occupation of the territory of Lusatian Serbs
- 890 Treaty with Arnoul, confirmation of the sovereignty of Svtopluk I in Bohemia
- 892 Driving back of the common attack by the Frank, Alaman and Bavarian armies and theMagyar tribes
- 893 Driving back of the attack by the armies of Arnoul, and upon his request, thesigning of a peace treaty with Svtopluk
- 894 Death of King Svtopluk I, peace for the Slavs with the Bavarians, first invasionby the Magyars into the Transdanubian region.

The death of King Svtopluk brought about the progressivedisintegration of the largest Central European empire and eventually disappearance due tothe incessant invasions of the allied Bavarian armies and the Magyars. However, the firstact which led to the disintegration of the Empire was caused by the Slav Dukes of Bohemia(present-day Czech Republic) in 895, which detached itself from the Empire of Svtoplukand asked Emperor Arnoul of Ratisbonne for his protection against the Slavs.

In 897, Mojmr II tried once again to conquer theterritory of Bohemia, but failed, and in 898, a struggle for the throne broke out betweenKing Mojmr II and his brother, Svtopluk II. Mojmr II fought off the attack by theBavarian armies, who had been joined also by military troops of the small Czech Lords andhe had Svtopluk II imprisoned.

In 899, the Bavarians once again attacked the Slavs andliberated Svtopluk II. In 900, Mojmr once more fought off attacks from the Czech andBavarian armies.

In that same year, the Pope reconfirmed the archdiosese andthe three dioceses in the Slav Empire and in 901, Louis IV the Younger and Mojmr IIreached a peace agreement in Ratisbonne.

In 902 and at the beginning of 906, Mojmr II twice pushedback attacks from the Magyar armies which resulted in their fleeing. However, during theirnext raid in the South, Mojmr II as well as Svtopluk II were killed and the Magyarspillaged the Southern regions of Slovakia. This was the beginning of the progressivedisappearance of the independent Slav State and chronicles of that period describing thebattle of the Bavarians against the Magyars on July 4, 907 make no mention of anyparticipation by Slav armies.
http://www.slovakia.org/history3.htm

Szegedist
07-27-2015, 02:11 PM
Revealman is just trolling and posting pseudohistory out of boredom.

Real history of Slovakia:

The end of Communist rule in Czechoslovakia in 1989, during the peaceful Velvet Revolution, was followed once again by the country's dissolution, this time into two successor states. In July 1992 Slovakia, led by Prime Minister Vladimír Mečiar, declared itself a sovereign state, meaning that its laws took precedence over those of the federal government. Throughout the autumn of 1992, Mečiar and Czech Prime Minister Václav Klaus negotiated the details for disbanding the federation. In November the federal parliament voted to dissolve the country officially on 31 December 1992.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovakia#Establishment_of_the_Slovak_Republic_.281 993-.29

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mikhail
07-27-2015, 02:12 PM
You're really trying pretty hard, aren't you?

Szegedist
07-27-2015, 02:17 PM
Before the arrival of Magyars, the territory of Slovakia belonged to Avars, and before that, Huns, Sarmatians and many other non-Slavic tribes.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Huns450.png


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Historical_map_of_the_Balkans_around_582-612_AD.jpg/250px-Historical_map_of_the_Balkans_around_582-612_AD.jpg

Europe in 650
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/f8/Europe_around_650.jpg/1024px-Europe_around_650.jpg

Europe in 800
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a2/Europe_around_800.gif/800px-Europe_around_800.gif
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Avar_Khaganate



This is fact, the rest is just typical slovak nazi propaganda "slovaks lived here since 100,000 BC"

Szegedist
07-27-2015, 02:20 PM
The language of the Avars is not known, but what is known is that when Magyars arrived in Pannonia, they discovered there a "brother people".
There is even evidence of written Hungarian language dating back to the Avar era.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szarvas_inscription

revealman
07-27-2015, 02:21 PM
Revealman is just trolling and posting pseudohistory out of boredom.

Real history of Slovakia:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slovakia#Establishment_of_the_Slovak_Republic_.281 993-.29

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wrong!

first slovak state has been established in 7th century.


The Slavic history of Nitra started near the end of the 5th century when the first Slavs arrived here. As early as the first half of the 7th century, some western sources mention a state formation of Slavs, the Samo Empire. The Samo Empire was a predecessor of the subsequent state formation - the Great Moravian Empire, one of whose centres was Nitra. Precisely during the time of the Great Moravian Empire, the foundations of the renowened fame of ancient Christian Nitra were laid, as was recorded in extremely precious documents from the 9th century. One of these fortified settlements may have been the residence of Prince Pribina under whose rule Nitra was an important political, military and economic centre. Pribina showed great wisdom as a statesman and had great insight into European politics, when in about 828 A.D.,he, being a heathen himself, allowed the first Christian church in Nitra to be consecrated. This act was performed by Adalram, the Archbishop of Salzburg. The Pribina church is the first historically documented witness to the Christianity of the Slavs on the territory of Slovakia. This great events is mentioned in a document "Conversione Bagoariorum et Carantanorum" dating back to 870-871. Unfortunately, the exact site of the shrine has not as yet been located, but it is probable that the church did not stand on today's castle hill.

In its later development, the Nitra principality was forcibly annexed by Mojmir to the Moravian principality in about 833, and a new state entity was formed which is mentioned in sources under the name Great Moravia. After the dethronement of Mojmir, Rastislav became the ruler of Great Moravia. His reign is connected with a very important event, namely the comming of the Byzantine missionaries, Constantine-Cyril and Methodius, in 863
http://www.nitra.eu/stranky/history.php

mikhail
07-27-2015, 02:23 PM
The language of the Avars is not known, but what is known is that when Magyars arrived in Pannonia, they discovered there a "brother people".
There is even evidence of written Hungarian language dating back to the Avar era.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Szarvas_inscription

?

From what I've read, the language of the Eurasian Avars was likely Oghur Turkic.

revealman
07-27-2015, 02:27 PM
szegedist you are a pathetic liar like all your hungarophil friends here on forum

you dont see the truth because your rational brain is clouded by chauvinist fantasy

http://s9.postimg.org/bo8n9srvj/mapka.jpg

Szegedist
07-27-2015, 02:34 PM
szegedist you are a pathetic liar like all your hungarophil friends here on forum

you dont see the truth because your rational brain is clouded by chauvinist fantasy


Can you read maps? Those 'slavs' were living in Austria, outside the Carpathian Mountain range, not within it!
And slav =/= slovak. You slovaks are no better than Serbs who think every Slav is a Serb.

revealman
07-27-2015, 02:38 PM
Can you read maps? Those 'slavs' were living in Austria, outside the Carpathian Mountain range, not within it!
And slav =/= slovak. You slovaks are no better than Serbs who think every Slav is a Serb.
it is historicaly proven even hungarian historians agree that in 700 ad the forefathers of slovaks had a state in nitra region of modern slovakia! if you know better than historians than go get a nobel prize.. liar

i made extra work and overlapped the map with a raster of european countries, proved again you are chauvinist liar and dont use rational scientific brain! liar liar !

http://s10.postimg.org/bd2y4km2f/dejiny_slovakia.jpg

Szegedist
07-27-2015, 02:38 PM
Warning: Be careful of propaganda from Slovak politicians. They are creating a fake "glorious past" to radicalise Slovaks and feed them hollow patriotism, so they are distracted from real issues like corruption, economy, etc. The poster "revealman" is a typical victim of this Ficoism! Even Slovak historians know this:

Since deputy prime minister Robert Fico declared the "wise historism" concept, the history books are getting rewritten in a faster pace than before, and in an increased "spirit of national pride",[96][not in citation given] [97] which Krekovič, Mannová and Krekovičová claim are mainly nothing else, but history falsifications.[97] Such new inventions are the interpretation of Great Moravia as a (proto)-Slovak state, or the term "proto-Slovak" itself,[97] along with the "refreshing" of many "old traditions", that in fact did not exist or were not Slovak before.[97] The concept received criticism in Slovakia pointing out that the term proto-Slovak cannot be found in any serious publication, simply because it lacks any scientific basis.[98] Miroslav Kusý Slovak political scientist explained that by adopting such scientifically questionable rhetoric Fico aims to "strengthen national consciousness by falsification of history"

Szegedist
07-27-2015, 02:40 PM
it si historicaly proven even hungarian historians agree that in 700 ad the forefathers of slovaks had a state in nitra region of modern slovakia! if you know better than historians than go get a nobel prize.. liar

Ancestors of slovaks are Avars?

And how can slovaks have had a state in 700 when they only exist since 1700s, and in 700 this land was Avar land? You went back in time with a time machine? :laugh:

revealman
07-27-2015, 02:59 PM
are you retarded? principality of nitra is historically proven !!! what about the maps from hungarian historians posted on page 1? you liar... you are pathetic liar trying desperately do disprove that slovaks were in middle europe before you came in 1000 ad

coat of arms nitra when they fought the magyar khazar nomads

http://s8.postimg.org/tiookn0c5/sk_7.gif

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Nitra
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principality_of_Lower_Pannonia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pribina
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Moravia


http://www.slavorum.org/forum/discussion/450/differentiation-of-western-and-south-slavs-in-carpathian-basin-in-9-10th-cent?sa=X&ved=0CBcQ9QEwAThQahUKEwiP-OGLyvvGAhVFWhQKHQTbC0g


My aim is to target at two names in the region - Great Moravia and Szlávok - Slavs.
Great Moravia is situated to the today's Moravia, western Slovakia and western Hungary. But it may be strange that there are no names of ethnics in the empire, except for Szlávok - Slavs. In any case Magyars perceived today's Moravians and Slovaks as one ethnic group, but different from Czechs and Poles. But who were 'those Slavs', if they weren't Czechs nor Poles, even nor Slovenians? They were Sloveni - those Sloveni from poem Proglas (863-867) and from mouth of Rastislav, the King of Great Moravia: "We Sloveni, the simple folk..." (862). Translation of Sloveni is Slavs, Sclaveni (...) in Latin, Szlávok in Magyar... Term Slavs in the map doesn't represent all Slavic ethnics, but only and explicitly the Sloveni - core inhabitants of Great Moravia. Up to now, when Magyars are not able to speak of Slovaks as a modern nation (because of some mental barriers), they usually use terms Tótok or Szlávok. And that is not abusive as they may think, but they actually approve that Slovaks are those Slavs, their ancestors had found in the Carpathian basin :) On topic Slovaks as Sclavs in historical sources click here.

Later, Sloveni split up into two main nations which are known till now - Slovaks and Moravians (actually, Moravians are not fully recognized as a nation nor nationality in Czech fundamental law, anyhow Slovakia does recognize them in many ways). These two nations are separated by borders for many hundreds of years, but they feel very close to each other. Moravian culture, language (dialects, there's no codified Moravian language) and traditions are closer to Slovaks than to Czechs, moreover in the southern Moravia there is a region called Slovácko (Moravian Slovakia).



Other Sloveni were assimilated by Magyars and partly Romanians. The remnants of Szlávok may be found in today's name of Croatia's region Slavonia. Therefore I'm not very big fan of theory Slovaks and Slovenians were one tribe before the Magyar's invasion in 10th century. Slovenians are clearly identified as different ethnic group Carantanians even before the invasion in many sources. I'd rather say they were closer in Samo's Empire in 7th cent., but not such close in 9th - 10th cent any more

revealman
07-27-2015, 03:16 PM
kingdom of Hungary was made on example (and parts) of Great Moravia?


More than just this. Kingdom of Hungary was direct successor of Great Moravia. Teritorial organization including terminology is the same in KoH as it used to be in GM. Magyar name for county "Megye" is from Slovak "Medza", leader of the county in Magyar is "ispán" a that is as well from Slovak "župan" and thus I can continue with Slovak words in Magyar into infinity.

Interesting is also the comparation of development of settlements in different parts of former GM. When Czechs annexed western part of GM wich is now south-east region Morava of Czech republic, they let the settlements of former GM abandoned, and founded new settlements. These new settlement are here till today, cities like Brno or Olomouc. The former GM settlement now we are discovering as archeological sites.

On contrary, the proces in eastern part of GM (including also pannonia) was different. When nomadic Magyars came into the carpathian basin, they did not destroy settlements here, they just infiltrated them. That is basically because Magyars were nomads and simply didnt know how to build a settlement. Thus the old settlements of GM in Slovakia and in Hungary are still present today. Cities like Nitra (Nitrava) or Bratislava (Preslava) in SVK or Veszprém (Bezprín), Budapest (Budín) and Esztergom (Strägom) in Hun.

Magyars tend to claim, that they were the builders of Hungarian towns, that they came ito blank area and many more. But seriously, when they learned how to build cities, when they spent 100 years (since their arrival till foundation of KoH) by looting, pillaging and slaughterring of half of Europe? Magyars only over time learned how to lead a settled life, majority of them were nomadic up to 13th ct. And Magyar chauvinists know it. They also know very well, that everything important for settled life they learned from us. Just look at Magyar vocabulary related to agriculture, housing, cuisine and you will find that so called Magyar expressions are nothing more just deformed Slovak words. This is the reason, why Magyars hate us - Slovaks most in whole world. Because they ceated a wonderfull story about glorious victors ("vitéz" in Magyar, wich is another Slovak word "výťaz"), that stood down from horseback and started to build stone castles and cathedrals. And when they are confrontated with reality, their unconscious can not accept it. So if there is any evidence, that can undermine their version of history, they must destroy it. Therefore Magyarisation, therefore thousands Magyar coments about nonexistent Slovaks and their history on every video, that has something to do with us on youtube, therefore hatefull replies on Slovaks in every forum you can find.

As Slovak writer Jerguš Ferko said, "It is a rebellion of cultural copy, against its original and effort to replace it".

And I also can mention here genetics, by wich you can see how close are present Magyars and Slovaks to each other. Both are very close to Czech, Poles or Ukrainians and therefore Slavic. That just show enormous nuber of Slovaks, that have been assimilated into Magyars.
http://www.google.at/url?url=http://www.slavorum.org/forum/discussion/546/principality-of-nitra&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&sa=U&ved=0CBMQFjAAahUKEwjCroGVzfvGAhVHPhQKHS2dAK8&usg=AFQjCNF-lKPu7rppa4nueJUIeYSfSbigzA

Szegedist
07-27-2015, 03:32 PM
Are you seriously quoting from Slavorum (a pan-slavic ultranationalist site ) to back up your point? :rolleyes:

revealman
07-27-2015, 03:37 PM
i posted lots of proof, you have no proof at all, i refuse to argue with a chauvinist(lack of rationality and scientific logic) with no historical knowledge, go back to your khazar magyar roots..

http://gyarapodomagyarorszagert.hu/hatalmas_sikerrel_z_rult_a_2014_es_kurultaj?sa=X&ved=0CDMQ9QEwDziMAWoVChMIhO3a5tT7xgIVS1oUCh1uoA-t

carpe diem!

here is your khazar/magyar history


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSlJOsVGTtI

Stears
07-27-2015, 06:46 PM
Typical Slovak nationalist speculative fabricated history without proofs.

revealman
07-27-2015, 07:26 PM
Typical Slovak nationalist speculative history without proofs.
the proof is more than evident you ugro/khazar invader..

Stears
07-27-2015, 07:30 PM
Rolland, what's your opinion?

Stears
07-27-2015, 07:32 PM
the proof is more than evident you ugro/khazar invader..


Khazars were turks you idiot. Second, you have much more genetic traits with mongoloids than Hungarians...Deal with it.

revealman
07-27-2015, 07:33 PM
some magyar history for you racist boy aka stears


Brave Jewish writers like Arthur Koestler have confirmed from their research that Jewish people have no historical claim to the land of Israel. They are not the biblical Hebrews and they are certainly not ‘Semites’. They don’t originate from biblical Israel, but from a Sumerian people who became known as the ‘Khazars’ in what became southern Russia and the Caucasus Mountains. Today, their lands are largely occupied by Georgia. This is why the so-called ‘Jewish nose’ is not a genetic trait of Israel, but the Caucasus. Alfred M. Lilienthal, a Jewish former American State Department official, called these facts ‘Israel’s Achilles heel’, because it destroys Zionist claims to the land of the biblical Hebrews. Historians believe the Khazars to be descendants of the Turkic tribe, known as the Huns or Hun, that invaded and savaged Europe from Asia around AD 450. The Huns’ territories stretched at one time from central Asia to central Europe, from Siberia and China to North India. They were a grouping of tribes and bloodlines from the interbreeding with many peoples, including the Chinese and Sumerians. The Huns are best remembered for their leader, Attila the Hun, who seized power by killing his brother, Buda, after whom the Hungarian city of Budapest was named. Like the Huns, the Khazars spoke a Turkic language and are believed to be the same people. The Khazars controlled a large and powerful ‘Pagan’ empire across most of Russia, to the Ural Mountains in the East and the Caucasus Mountains in the south. They made their living as traders and ‘middlemen’, levying taxes on the goods carried on the trade routes through their lands. Their influence in Eastern Europe extended well into the countries we now know as Poland, Czechoslovakia, Austria, Hungary, Romania and Bulgaria (Figure 94). The Khazars were phallic worshippers and engaged in human sacrifice rituals.


In about AD 740, the King of Khazaria, King Bulan, adopted the religion of Judaism and the whole nation did the same. Legend says that King Bulan was told to do this in dreams or visions, but it was clearly a political move to avoid being absorbed by the Christian or Islamic world on either side. What is certain, is that the Khazars, the ancestors of at least 90 per cent of those calling themselves ‘Jewish’ today, had no connection with the land called Israel. Their home was not the Dead Sea, but the Caspian Sea, which became known as the `Khazar Sea’. This is the area targeted by the Reptilian hybrids today for its immense oil and gas reserves. Arthur Koestler writes that ‘a warrior nation of Turkish Jews must have seemed to the rabbis as strange as a circumcised unicorn’. An Arab Chronicler, Ibn-Said al-Maghribi, wrote:

As to the Khazars, they are to the north of the inhabited Earth towards the 7th clime,
having over their heads the constellation of the Plough. Their land is cold and wet. Accordingly their complexions are white, their eyes blue, their hair flowing and predominantly reddish, their bodies large and their natures cold. Their general aspect is wild.

Certainly, the Caucasus region is so associated with the white race that in North America white people are still referred to as ‘Caucasian’. The Khazars fought, made alliances and interbred with peoples like the Viking Rus (who became the Russians) and the Magyars with whom they had extremely close relations. The Khazars converted to Judaism (another religion of Babylon) in around AD 740, and they are the ancestors to Reptilian hybrid manipulators like the Rothschilds, Henry Kissinger, many of the ‘Neocons’ behind the Bush administration in the United States, and those who have controlled Israel since it was formed in 1948. Khazars were instrumental in the creation of the Magyar homeland of Hungary. Names like the Russian Cossack and the Hungarian Hussar came from ‘Khazar’, as did the German for heretic, Ketzer. The Khazars also had close links with the Byzantine Empire, which was part of the Roman Empire centred on Constantinople, and there was interbreeding between them. I’m sure the Rothschilds have Roman Empire ‘royal’ blood connections. A Khazar princess married Byzantine Emperor Constantine V, and their son became Emperor Leo IV, known as Leo the Khazar, who ruled the Byzantine Empire from 775 to 800. The deposed emperor, Justinian II, fled to Khazaria in 705, where the king (the ‘Khagan’ or ‘Kagan’) gave him shelter and
allowed him to marry his sister. She took the name Theodora and became empress when Justinian was restored to the Byzantine throne. ‘Kagan’, of course, is a common ‘Jewish’ name today. According to ‘Holy Grail’ author, Sir Laurence Gardner, the archives of the Royal Court of the Dragon reveal that the origin of ‘kingship’ is ‘kinship’ or ‘blood relative’. Gardner contends that this came from ‘Kainship’ after ‘the first King of the “Messianic Dragon succession”, the biblical Cain (Kain), head of the Sumerian House of Kish’. The term ‘Kagan’ may have developed from this origin and certainly the stories of ‘Jewish’ history are really the history of Sumer, Mu and Atlantis
https://beyondthecurtain.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/the-khazars-magyars-rothschilds-and-sumer-david-icke-guide-to-the-global-conspiracy/

revealman
07-27-2015, 07:42 PM
Script:
Hungarian/Székely runes are descended from the Turkic script (Kök /Blue/ Turks) used in Central Asia. Period of use: from 600 to 1850.

Turkic words: ír (write), betű (character), szám (number)

Music/folk:
Literature:
- Sipos J.: Comparative Analysis of Hungarian and Turkic Folk Music (2006., Ankara)
- Bartók B.: Turkish Folk Music from Asia Minor (In analyzing melodic structures, Bartók arrives at the conclusion that old Hungarian and traditional Turkic features are often closely related.)
Pentatonic scale, Uygur (turkic tribe in China) songs etc.

Turkic-Hungarian motives/customs: magic stag, ‘kopjafa’ (kopjafa is a large carved, wooden monument), tulip, ‘égig érő fa’ (tree reaching into the sky), blood covenant, Turul/Togrul/Turgul (mythical bird, the symbol of Hungary and Arpad House) etc.

Turkic names:
- Attila/Etele, Irnák/Ernák/Csaba, Bendegúz, Bleda/Buda (hunnic rulers)
- Jenő, Tarján, Kér, Keszi, Kürt, Gyarmat (hungarian tribes)
- Levente/Levedi, Álmos, Árpád, Tas, Ketel, Ond, Törtel, Zoltán/Solt/Zolta, Üllő, Tarhos/Tarkacsu, Bulcsú, Taksony, Géza/Gyeücse, Koppány, Vajk, Sarolt(a), Imre, Aba, Kálmán, Béla (hungarian chiefs, princes, kings, queens)
- gyula, kende, koppány, tarján (title of a dignitary)
- Onogur => Hungary/Hongrie/Ungarn/Ugarska/Vengrija/Ungheria (on = ten, gur = tribe, onogur = ten tribes)

http://www.skyscrapercity.com/showthread.php?t=440750

Stears
07-27-2015, 07:44 PM
some magyar history for you racist boy aka stears


https://beyondthecurtain.wordpress.com/2009/10/21/the-khazars-magyars-rothschilds-and-sumer-david-icke-guide-to-the-global-conspiracy/

It is offtopic. What will be the next? Will you dispute the Kennedy assassination in this topic?

revealman
07-27-2015, 07:51 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hMBgcpCHqQ

revealman
07-27-2015, 08:18 PM
you have much more genetic traits with mongoloids than Hungarians...Deal with it.
3,5 % is a needle in sand it makes a tiny percentage of slovak genetic make up..
secondly you have 9.5% haplogroup J in hungary thats quite a lot for "pure europeans" so all in all slovaks have less noneuropean blood than hungarians! and i bet with you those 3.5 percent in slovakia come from hungarian invaders who settled there in 10th century because ugrofinns have 60% haplogroup N!!..

so lets recapitulate:

hungary = 9.5 % (middle eastern "J") + 8% (north african "E") + 0.5% (mongoloid "N/Q") = 18% noneuropean and mongoloid !!!
slovakia = 3% (middle eastern "J") + 6.5% (north african "E") + 3.5% (mongoloid "N/Q") = 13% noneuropean and mongolid!!!

slovaks have 24% haplogroup "I" and 56% haplogroup "R" (more european)
hungarians have 26% haplogroup "I" and 48% haplogroup "R" (less european)


so here is truth, hungarians are more noneuropean than slovaks!!! truth always wins against lies and wishfull thinking!!!

revealman
07-27-2015, 09:46 PM
Khazars were turks you idiot. Second, you have much more genetic traits with mongoloids than Hungarians...Deal with it.

http://www.hunmagyar.org/tor/magyar.htm?sa=X&ved=0CCMQ9QEwB2oVChMIirPCq6P8xgIVxcAUCh09Dwjp


Several rebel Khazar tribes join the Hungarian tribal federation which was led by the Magyar tribe. At that time the Hungarians were established in their own independent state of Dentumagyaria, between the Avar and Khazar empires.



895-96
After the collapse of the Khazar Empire, the Magyars and the other Hungarian tribes move West into the Etelköz region, where the Covenant of Blood takes place. This Covenant effectively creates the Magyar (Hungarian) nation which proceeds with the reconquest of the Carpathian Basin and its surrounding regions. After expelling foreign encroaching powers from the Carpathian region and uniting with their previously settled Hun-Avar ethnic kin, the Magyars establish the Hungarian State in 896 as the successor state to the Hun and Avar empires.

blogen
07-27-2015, 10:10 PM
are you retarded?

That is your problem.


coat of arms nitra when they fought the magyar khazar nomads
http://s8.postimg.org/tiookn0c5/sk_7.gif

:picard1:

http://m.cdn.blog.hu/gy/gyuloltellensegeink/image/T%C3%B3t%20c%C3%ADmerek/Nyitra%20v%C3%A1rmegye.jpg

The Hungarian king, Saint Ladislaus fought with the Cumanian warrior. This is a well know medieval legend and this iconography spread in the Hungarian kingdom universally. The great Hungarian king died in this Hungarian city (the Slavs settled here after the Turkish wars).

http://www.hung-art.hu/kep/zmisc/falkepek/143_sz/veleme04.jpg

Anything other is your groundless stupidity, especially since every real Slovak know this:

Nitriansky stoličný erb patrí do skupiny erbov tých stolíc, ktorých "dedičnými" županmi boli biskupi, preto v nich dominuje hagiografický motív. Erb svojim obsahom vychádza z jednej zo stredovekých legiend o sv. Ladislavovi, uhorskom kráľovi v rokoch 1077-1095, podľa ktorej zachránil princeznú pred pohanským Kumánom. Legenda je domácim variantom legendy o sv. Jurajovi - patrónovi rytierov, ktorý zachránil princeznú pred drakom - stelesnením diabla a zla.
source (http://www.unsk.sk/showdoc.do?docid=87)

revealman
07-27-2015, 10:30 PM
this proves how dumb you are, ladislaus is ladislav a slavic name, not hungarian! now you can go bakc to your amateur history club...

blogen
07-27-2015, 10:36 PM
:noidea:

OK, what did I believe finally, since revealman is a skinhead boy only!

Szegedist
07-27-2015, 10:47 PM
coat of arms nitra when they fought the magyar khazar nomads

http://s8.postimg.org/tiookn0c5/sk_7.gif


Coat of arms of Nyitra shows a Hungarian soldier with the Hungarian coat of arms fighting against an Ottoman (read Serb collaborator) soldier.
Here is the original, and not the cheap slovak knockoff

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Nitra_coatofarms.jpg

EDIT: oh I see blogen already beat me to it.

blogen
07-27-2015, 11:02 PM
Coat of arms of Nyitra shows a Hungarian soldier with the Hungarian coat of arms fighting against an Ottoman (read Serb collaborator) soldier.

Jesus, what is this shit? This is worst, than revealman's stupid interpellation.

Szegedist
07-29-2015, 04:39 PM
it is historicaly proven even hungarian historians agree that in 700 ad the forefathers of slovaks had a state in nitra region of modern slovakia! if you know better than historians than go get a nobel prize.. liar

i made extra work and overlapped the map with a raster of european countries, proved again you are chauvinist liar and dont use rational scientific brain! liar liar !


Typical slovak logic. You always say "Hungarian historians are chauvinists writing nationalist history", but now you quote them? lol

blogen
07-29-2015, 05:24 PM
it is historicaly proven even hungarian historians agree that in 700 ad the forefathers of slovaks had a state in nitra region of modern slovakia!

What is not true. These are the Hungarian historian's claim, based on the few written sources and the archaeological materials:

- presumably a principality (and not state) existed on the western Highland.
- the seat of the entity is unknown, Nyitra's exploration is fruitless from this viewpoint untill today.
- the ethnical history of this principality is unknown, we do not know the proportions of the Avar and Slavonic elements and the significance of these peoples in the principalty's life.
- we cannot place the principalty in the history of the 9th century based on the few written sources and not only the Nyitra principalty, but we do not know the "Greater Moravian" entity's place yet (Northern Serbia or the present Moravia)!

epirot
05-31-2017, 02:37 PM
Just to add here, that when the english bishop Willibald visited south Greece in 723, south of what was called "Morias" and today "Peloponisos" , he wrote that "“reached the city of Monemvasia,Morea (Peloponesse) in the land of Sclavinia (et inde navigantes, venerunt ultra mare Adria ad urbem Manafasiamin Slawinia terrae)”"

This Sclavinia was here :

http://greekvoyager.com/images/monemvasia/lakonia_map.jpg

It is safe to guess that at the time whole europe was a huge Slavinia.