Classify Leo Messi's woman

[Tommy199]

Antonella Roccuzzo

http://i.imgur.com/A3BJ1mz.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/kIisNUw.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/RXAwJCi.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1igWm8J.jpg

[Brasileiro]

Mestiza

[Tommy199]

She looks Castiza to me

[Brasileiro]

She looks Castiza to me

Between but not Castiza for me, more mestiza.

[Tommy199]

Bump

[Seth MacFarlane]

Between but not Castiza for me, more mestiza.

Mestizas look way more anerindian influenced

[Seth MacFarlane]

Between but not Castiza for me, more mestiza.

This girl looks mestiza and is a mestiza Her father is french and she still has that native influence .

http://s16.postimg.org/q601ygwhx/image.jpg

[utchess]

What is the difference between a Mestiza and Castiza exactly?

[Brasileiro]

What is the difference between a Mestiza and Castiza exactly?

Castiza more than 75% european blood.

[utchess]

Castiza more than 75% european blood.

Ah oke. And is this term only used when speaking about a mixture of Native American and European blood or is it used in general for Latin Americans (such as fore Negroid blood, Middle Eastern blood and the like)?

[Brasileiro]

Ah oke. And is this term only used when speaking about a mixture of Native American and European blood or is it used in general for Latin Americans (such as fore Negroid blood, Middle Eastern blood and the like)?

Is used in Hispanic Countries, Amerindian. In Brazil is Pardo-Mixed and the name, Mulatto because exist here more black blood than amerindian.

[Brasileiro]

Mestizas look way more anerindian influenced

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?35734-Classify-Lionel-Messi

Messi is Castizo range.

[Seth MacFarlane]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?35734-Classify-Lionel-Messi

Messi is Castizo range.

Not sure about that , he looks full white but with small alpine eyes . You must be joking ...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?178707-Where-does-Lea-michelle-pass-best&p=3720084#post3720084
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412327761101_wps_12_Barcelona_s_Argentinian_f.jpg

[Brasileiro]

Father = White
Mother = Castiza
GF = Mestiza

http://www.ronaldo7.net/news/2012/cristiano-ronaldo-422-lionel-messi-father-mother-and-girlfriend-antonella-roccuzzo-fifa-balon-dor-2011-2012-gala-ceremony.jpg

[Seth MacFarlane]

Father = White
Mother = Castiza
GF = Mestiza

http://www.ronaldo7.net/news/2012/cristiano-ronaldo-422-lionel-messi-father-mother-and-girlfriend-antonella-roccuzzo-fifa-balon-dor-2011-2012-gala-ceremony.jpg

Mother isn't castiza she is a med with strong alpine which leads to her face shape , if his mom had any native influence he woudnt look full white . I know genes can be recessive but he looks like a full white man and has 0 percent native ameican blood . If he is castizo then many people in Spain are too . Do you think anne hidalgo is mestiza she's from Spain ? lol

https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-54ukxYJAv6g/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAAA/S_sE6OqBjKY/s0-c-k-no-ns/photo.jpg

[Seth MacFarlane]

Leo messi is a full Caucasian

http://oops-pics.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/Messi-2.jpg

[Brasileiro]

Mother isn't castiza she is a med with strong alpine which leads to her face shape , if his mom had any native influence he woudnt look full white . I know genes can be recessive but he looks like a full white man and has 0 percent native ameican blood . If he is castizo then many people in Spain are too . Do you think anne hidalgo is mestiza she's from Spain ? lol


Very false... amerindian blood admix much less, she's castiza for sure... In Argentina, Chile as a plenty of these phenotype.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Very false... amerindian blood admix much less, she's castiza for sure... In Argentina, Chile as a plenty of these phenotype.

There must be a lot of anerindian blood in Spain because his mom is no different from Anne hidalgo ( sarcasm if you didnt already know ) :rolleyes: ....

[Brasileiro]

Messi between Castizo and White but look White, but really he's not entirely. Usually castizos look like white just get images of castizos and combine with tests.

[Brasileiro]

There must be a lot of anerindian blood in Spain because his mom is no different from Anne hidalgo ( sarcasm if you didnt already know ) :rolleyes: ....

Different, and that's my opinion.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Messi between Castizo and White but look White, but really he's not entirely. Usually castizos look like white just get images of castizos and combine with tests.

Is this guy castizo ? He's feom Spain http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Fotogramas+Magazine+Cinema+Awards+wtYj9Lfzaojx.jpg

[Argentano]

Search photos of her sisters carla rocuzzo and paula rocuzzo

[Brasileiro]

Is this guy castizo ? He's feom Spain

Many castizos look like him, but what's your point?

[Brasileiro]

Search photos of her sisters carla rocuzzo and paula rocuzzo

http://fabwags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Antonella-Rocuzzo-sisters.jpg

[Seth MacFarlane]

Many castizos look like him, but what's your point?

My point is that those castizo probbaly aren't castizos and maybe full spanish but they get deemed castizo because of certain features. If I didn't know the guy I posted was from Spain I'll maybe think he has a little native blood myself . Your assuming Leo messi is mixed because he is from a country where the mix is possible while the guy from Spain looks more pseudo native admixed then messi and he is from a country where native Indian admix is impossible

[Argentano]

http://fabwags.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Antonella-Rocuzzo-sisters.jpg

Search more photos antonella seems to be the darkest by far..

[Brasileiro]

Search more photos antonella seems to be the darkest by far..

Darkest by far. :picard1:

[Brasileiro]

Antonella

https://www.google.com.br/search?q=carla+roccuzzo&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=669&tbm=isch&imgil=WQGa7qhmnNb2XM%253A%253BEYeaXuG8mqjxzM%253Bh ttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.diariouno.com.ar%25252 Fovacion%25252FCarla-Roccuzzo-la-cuada-de-Messi-20150121-0104.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=WQGa7qhmnNb2XM%253A%252CEYeaXuG8mqjxzM%252C_&usg=__DDiKCyskafUGnqNz2zIV9HWB_Us%3D&ved=0CCkQyjdqFQoTCPvW8e_t_sYCFcZcPgodLMUASg&ei=__-3VbvbLsa5-QGsioPQBA#tbm=isch&q=antonella+roccuzzo+&imgrc=VUOzWQbBmZZ4TM%3A

[Seth MacFarlane]

Leo messai actually looks like my teacher from last year who is from France , but Since leo messi is castizo .... Lol

[Brasileiro]

My point is that those castizo probbaly aren't castizos and maybe full spanish but they get deemed castizo because of certain features. If I didn't know the guy I posted was from Spain I'll maybe think he has a little native blood myself . Your assuming Leo messi is mixed because he is from a country where the mix is possible while the guy from Spain looks more pseudo native admixed then messi and he is from a country where native Indian admix is impossible

Only in DNA, but Messi isn't Castizo he's between White and Castizo for me, and looks White which would be more than normal.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Only in DNA, but Messi isn't Castizo he's between White and Castizo for me, and looks White which would be more than normal.

Oh so Leo messi had his gentics tested , you could post his results

[Brasileiro]

http://imguol.com/2012/07/08/messi-foi-ao-casamento-de-iniesta-com-sua-namorada-antonella-rocuzzo-que-mostrou-o-barrigao-1341795153119_615x300.jpg

[Seth MacFarlane]

His mother is textbook alpine

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/11/04/article-2487446-19313D6D00000578-562_634x627.jpg

Jessica alba is a castiza

[Brasileiro]

Messi and Family

https://www.google.com.br/search?q=carla+roccuzzo&sa=X&biw=1366&bih=669&tbm=isch&imgil=WQGa7qhmnNb2XM%253A%253BEYeaXuG8mqjxzM%253Bh ttp%25253A%25252F%25252Fwww.diariouno.com.ar%25252 Fovacion%25252FCarla-Roccuzzo-la-cuada-de-Messi-20150121-0104.html&source=iu&pf=m&fir=WQGa7qhmnNb2XM%253A%252CEYeaXuG8mqjxzM%252C_&usg=__DDiKCyskafUGnqNz2zIV9HWB_Us%3D&ved=0CCkQyjdqFQoTCPvW8e_t_sYCFcZcPgodLMUASg&ei=__-3VbvbLsa5-QGsioPQBA#tbm=isch&q=messi+mother&imgrc=_

Right = Mom.
http://www.totalbarca.com/wp-content/themes/totalbarca/timthumb.php?src=http://www.totalbarca.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/1.jpg&w=576&zc=1&q=90

[Brasileiro]

She have italian surname, but doesn't look italian.

[Brasileiro]

Antonella clearly mestiza.

http://www.football.co.uk/img/wags/antonella_roccuzzo/antonella_roccuzzo_10.jpg

[Seth MacFarlane]

She have italian surname, but doesn't look italian.

Doesent look castiza either

[Seth MacFarlane]

She have italian surname, but doesn't look italian.

This greek girl is castiza too and is likely 25 percent american Indian . Native ameicans were in Greece lol

http://s12.postimg.org/f3rpkuzwd/image.jpg

[Brasileiro]

Different, Look at the former GF from Neymar and Antonella.

http://www.diariofemenino.com/uploads/actualidad/57260-antonella-roccuzzo-bruna-marquezine.jpg

Antonella

http://37.media.tumblr.com/d27630a91b36142338b0902168208d65/tumblr_minbrtMUfC1rxoccro1_500.jpg


Mestiza.

[Brasileiro]

My grandma was italian, many people in my family is full italian heritage, c'mom these girls aren't Italians.

[Seth MacFarlane]

My grandma was italian, many people in my family is full italian heritage, c'mom these girls aren't Italians.

lol im not paying those girls any mind, im not talking about them at all but leo messi has 0 percent native blood nor does his mother . I don't care about his girlfriend

[Brasileiro]

lol im not paying those girls any mind, im not talking about them at all but leo messi has 0 percent native blood nor does his mother . I don't care about his girlfriend

Not for me, but okay. :thumb001:

[blubb]

Not sure about that , he looks full white but with small alpine eyes . You must be joking ...

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?178707-Where-does-Lea-michelle-pass-best&p=3720084#post3720084
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/03/1412327761101_wps_12_Barcelona_s_Argentinian_f.jpg

Look at his cheekbones and eyes... I'm certain he's at least 10-20% Amerindian. Sure, you will see pseudo-Mongoloid traits among natives from all over Europe in rare cases, but the fact he's from the new World make the source of his features much more likely to be actually Amerindian/Mongoloid than fully European pseudo-mong by the laws of statistics.
Oh and about the "Spanish" girl you keep posting - I'm sure she's mestiza, Spain has received a lot of Latin American immigrants in the last decades, so unless you can provide a source stating otherwise, I'm assuming she's not fully Iberian

[Seth MacFarlane]

Look at his cheekbones and eyes... I'm certain he's at least 10-20% Amerindian. Sure, you will see pseudo-Mongoloid traits among natives from all over Europe in rare cases, but the fact he's from the new World make the source of his features much more likely to be actually Amerindian/Mongoloid than fully European pseudo-mong by the laws of statistics.
Oh and about the "Spanish" girl you keep posting - I'm sure she's mestiza, Spain has received a lot of Latin American immigrants in the last decades, so unless you can provide a source stating otherwise, I'm assuming she's not fully Iberian

Your deluding yourself , his traits that are so called American Indian are alpine , he is so white it's not funny . Forget that actress i posted , if he is American Indian then many europeans are American Indian too .

[Argentano]

Look at his cheekbones and eyes... I'm certain he's at least 10-20% Amerindian. Sure, you will see pseudo-Mongoloid traits among natives from all over Europe in rare cases, but the fact he's from the new World make the source of his features much more likely to be actually Amerindian/Mongoloid than fully European pseudo-mong by the laws of statistics.
Oh and about the "Spanish" girl you keep posting - I'm sure she's mestiza, Spain has received a lot of Latin American immigrants in the last decades, so unless you can provide a source stating otherwise, I'm assuming she's not fully Iberian

im sharing with some argies in 23andme whose profile pic shows them as dark, small eyes , etc and they score 100% euro..(i can PM the profiles if you dont trust me)..european features vary A LOT...i am not saying messi is not mixed but the truth is that every dark southern euro (nesta, insigne, pedro, sergio asenjo, etc)would be classified as mixed if he were argentine...

IMO he must be in the 85-100% euro range and you cant see anything non euro in him

[Seth MacFarlane]

im sharing with some argies in 23andme whose profile pic shows them as dark, small eyes , etc and they score 100% euro..(i can PM the profiles if you dont trust me)..european features vary A LOT...i am not saying messi is not mixed but the truth is that every dark southern euro (nesta, insigne, pedro, sergio asenjo) is going to be classified as mixed if he is argentine...

IMO he must be in the 85-100% euro range and you cant see anything non euro in him

The part where he said " but the fact he's from the new world make the source of his features much more likely to be American Indian /mongaloid then fully european " proves to be his 100 percent bias . Once someoene is from a latin country they have to be a mutt . Since your argentine you must be native influecned too bro lol :rolleyes: . The thing i find wierd is that messi isn't even exotic , I would understand it if he was at least exotic but he isn't , he passes as a very typical iverian

[Brasileiro]

Look at his cheekbones and eyes... I'm certain he's at least 10-20% Amerindian. Sure, you will see pseudo-Mongoloid traits among natives from all over Europe in rare cases, but the fact he's from the new World make the source of his features much more likely to be actually Amerindian/Mongoloid than fully European pseudo-mong by the laws of statistics.
Oh and about the "Spanish" girl you keep posting - I'm sure she's mestiza, Spain has received a lot of Latin American immigrants in the last decades, so unless you can provide a source stating otherwise, I'm assuming she's not fully Iberian

Agree 100%.

[aherne]

This greek girl is castiza too and is likely 25 percent american Indian . Native ameicans were in Greece lol

http://s12.postimg.org/f3rpkuzwd/image.jpg

Off topic: she looks amazing!:love:

[Antimage]

Look at his cheekbones and eyes... I'm certain he's at least 10-20% Amerindian. Sure, you will see pseudo-Mongoloid traits among natives from all over Europe in rare cases, but the fact he's from the new World make the source of his features much more likely to be actually Amerindian/Mongoloid than fully European pseudo-mong by the laws of statistics.
Oh and about the "Spanish" girl you keep posting - I'm sure she's mestiza, Spain has received a lot of Latin American immigrants in the last decades, so unless you can provide a source stating otherwise, I'm assuming she's not fully Iberian

To me it's funny when people say "Messi is clearly mestizo", if he was native southern european no one would ever ask about his origins.

Look at this guy, he looks similar to Messi, he's french( his name is Manuel Ferrera) if he was argentinian or other latin american people would say "Omg look at those cheekbones and eyes he's obviously part amerindian"


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/StoliDark/00manuelferrara.jpg

[blubb]

To me it's funny when people say "Messi is clearly mestizo", if he was native southern european no one would ever ask about his origins.

Look at this guy, he looks similar to Messi, he's french( his name is Manuel Ferrera) if he was argentinian or other latin american people would say "Omg look at those cheekbones and eyes he's obviously part amerindian"



I'm not saying straight up mestizo, not even castizo, but I do think 1/8 Amerindian is likely

And yes, him being from there does influence it. Of course it could still be pseudo-features while 100% Euro, I just don't think this is the most likely thing

[aherne]

To me it's funny when people say "Messi is clearly mestizo", if he was native southern european no one would ever ask about his origins.

Look at this guy, he looks similar to Messi, he's french( his name is Manuel Ferrera) if he was argentinian or other latin american people would say "Omg look at those cheekbones and eyes he's obviously part amerindian"


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y48/StoliDark/00manuelferrara.jpg

His grandmother is mainly Amerindian. This means the odd parts in Messi REALLY are from Amerindian ancestors.

[Seth MacFarlane]

His grandmother is mainly Amerindian. This means the odd parts in Messi REALLY are from Amerindian ancestors.

What about tennis player Raphael nadal ? He is probbaly a cigar store Indian compared to leo messi

[micika]

she is beauty

[Tommy199]

she is beauty

Agree

[Tommy199]

Anyone else?

[Brasileiro]

she is beauty

She's 8.

[aherne]

What about tennis player Raphael nadal ? He is probbaly a cigar store Indian compared to leo messi

You are right. Nadal looks very odd for an Iberian. Yet as far as we know he's full Iberian. He looks less European compared to Messi, but in reality he's more European (100%).

[Seth MacFarlane]

You are right. Nadal looks very odd for an Iberian. Yet as far as we know he's full Iberian. He looks less European compared to Messi, but in reality he's more European (100%).

But that's my point nadal isn't really atypical for Iberia , Antonio banderas is also similar just like many others. That look is just extreme alpino cromagnid influence . If strong alpino cromagnid is the same thing as American Indian then many europeans are " castizos " . Nadal just mediterean with strong alpine cromagnid . Nadal isn't anywhere near atyoical either . If nadal is full euroepan and Caucasian how is leo messi " castiZo " or american Indian mixed . You and a couple users are only assuming leo messi is mixed because he's from a new world country , you have no other reason to believe such thing . Leo messi will pass for a fairly typical european , he won't be atypical in the slightest . Another full Caucasian with this look is this spanish actor .

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Fotogramas+Magazine+Cinema+Awards+wtYj9Lfzaojx.jpg

[Dweller23]

Alpine Med..

[Brasileiro]

Antonella Rocuzzo
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xg7LAddYJc4/UCAR2uEkQRI/AAAAAAAAACs/Fc1_cQZFiz0/s1600/messi+girlfriend.jpg

Young Messi
http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/245713/lionel-messi.jpg

Mother Messi
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-DOR5s0BCLro/Tb6Zz-3BCGI/AAAAAAAAByw/JImiTylGlPg/s400/tumblr_laf25n8lvD1qzcnjx.jpg

Grandmother
http://sp5.fotolog.com/photo/53/63/6/messi_fan_19/1199281595_f.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?134302-Maradona-and-Messi-Amerindian-appearance-(-what-s-the-percentage-)

[Argentano]

If messis grandma was mestiza that would make him 87.5 % euro. People who is in the 85-100% euro range in 23andme look almost the same...i have swarthy full euros and blonde nlue eyed 88% euros

There are 2 genetic studies where self identified white brazilians scored 85% euro on average

Thats my point...if he wasnt argie nobody would question his looks

[Brasileiro]

If messis grandma was mestiza that would make him 87.5 % euro. People who is in the 85-100% euro range in 23andme look almost the same...i have swarthy full euros and blonde nlue eyed 88% euros

There are 2 genetic studies where self identified white brazilians scored 85% euro on average


He looks a bit indigineous for me, probably 75% - 85% range. A lot of people think like me.

Studies of Sergio Pena, the black militant. What has to do with this thread? LOL

[Argentano]

He looks a bit indigineous for me, probably 75% - 85% range. A lot of people think like me.

Studies of Sergio Pena, the black militant. What has to do with this thread? LOL

Common 75% euro? His mother is not balances mestiza...

What i meant with the braziliian studies is that most people in the 85% euro will look and identify as white

[Merida]

She looks southern Euro to me.



What about tennis player Raphael nadal ? He is probbaly a cigar store Indian compared to leo messi

:lol:

[Brasileiro]

Common 75% euro? His mother is not balances mestiza...

What i meant with the braziliian studies is that most people in the 85% euro will look and identify as white

Yes look around ~ 80%.

But never the average, for example how many Brazilians in 23andme scoring more than 85% or 90%? 40, 45%?

[RMuller]

If messis grandma was mestiza that would make him 87.5 % euro.

Messi's grandmother looks more around 60% amerindian or even more.
http://sp5.fotolog.com/photo/53/63/6/messi_fan_19/1199281595_f.jpg

[Brasileiro]

Messi's grandmother looks more around 60% amerindian or even more.
http://sp5.fotolog.com/photo/53/63/6/messi_fan_19/1199281595_f.jpg

Agree.

[Argentano]

Messi's grandmother looks more around 60% amerindian or even more.
http://sp5.fotolog.com/photo/53/63/6/messi_fan_19/1199281595_f.jpg

well if she was 60% amerindian that would make messi 85% euro...would still pass as white...

what i mean is that people classify messi according to what his grandmother looks like....that is not a classification...when there are southern euros who are 10 times more exotic than he is..

[Brasileiro]

well if she was 60% amerindian that would make messi 85% euro...would still pass as white...

what i mean is that people classify messi according to what his grandmother looks like....that is not a classification...when there are southern euros who are 10 times more exotic than he is..

40 100? 100? 100?
70? 100? (Look White)
85

[Argentano]

Yes look around ~ 80%.

But never the average, for example how many Brazilians in 23andme scoring more than 85% or 90%? 40, 45%?

i honestly didnt understand the querstion

i will try for a second to think you are not a troll...and will try to help you understand what i mean...IMO it is imposible to see the admixture in somebody who is 80-90% euro because that people will look very very similar to full euros...and there are even some full euros with super exotic and dark features...

now, this are some examples from brazilian people sharing in 23andme


The first guys are over 95% euro-...we can consider them FULL EURO....the second two guys are 80-84% euro...Messis range....do you honestly see much difference? i even think the full euros look more exotic.. (please dont quote the images as i will delete them soon)


Brazilian FULL EUROS

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/cmv_88/Brasileros%20full%20euro_zpsgwzgick3.png (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/cmv_88/media/Brasileros%20full%20euro_zpsgwzgick3.png.html)

Brazilian 80-84% EURO

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/cmv_88/Brasileros%2080%20euro_zpsktvminnb.png (http://s1070.photobucket.com/user/cmv_88/media/Brasileros%2080%20euro_zpsktvminnb.png.html)

[Brasileiro]

80-84% euro...Messis range....do you honestly see much difference? i even think the full euros look more exotic..


We're talking about a percentage I always said that Messi is among Castizo and White, more Castizo.

[Brasileiro]

Now compare 80% Messi with your GF

http://imguol.com/2012/07/08/messi-foi-ao-casamento-de-iniesta-com-sua-namorada-antonella-rocuzzo-que-mostrou-o-barrigao-1341795153119_615x300.jpg

http://www.diariofemenino.com/uploads/actualidad/57260-antonella-roccuzzo-bruna-marquezine.jpg

Antonella

http://37.media.tumblr.com/d27630a91b36142338b0902168208d65/tumblr_minbrtMUfC1rxoccro1_500.jpg

http://www.football.co.uk/img/wags/antonella_roccuzzo/antonella_roccuzzo_10.jpg

[SupaThug]

Now compare 80% Messi with your GF

What does cmv88's girlfriend has to do with the discussion?

[Argentano]

Now compare 80% Messi with your GF

http://imguol.com/2012/07/08/messi-foi-ao-casamento-de-iniesta-com-sua-namorada-antonella-rocuzzo-que-mostrou-o-barrigao-1341795153119_615x300.jpg

http://www.diariofemenino.com/uploads/actualidad/57260-antonella-roccuzzo-bruna-marquezine.jpg




Antonella

http://37.media.tumblr.com/d27630a91b36142338b0902168208d65/tumblr_minbrtMUfC1rxoccro1_500.jpg

http://www.football.co.uk/img/wags/antonella_roccuzzo/antonella_roccuzzo_10.jpg


For me antonella looks mixed mestiza/harniza

[Brasileiro]

What does cmv88's girlfriend has to do with the discussion?

Messi has money, you not.

[SupaThug]

Messi has money, you not.

ok

[RMuller]

well if she was 60% amerindian that would make messi 85% euro...would still pass as white...

Im just correcting you that his grandmother is more like 60% amerindian.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154103-Genetic-quot-Balanced-mestizos-quot-with-pictures-and-DNA-results

[Argentano]

Im just correcting you that his grandmother is more like 60% amerindian.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?154103-Genetic-quot-Balanced-mestizos-quot-with-pictures-and-DNA-results

i know...i am just saying that even if the grandma is 60% amerindian (could be less your 23andme mestizos vary a lot) that would make him 85% euro..and 85% euro dont look very different from full euros...they can even look more euro than some exotic southern euros...check the last page of this thread..the brazilian +95% euro vs the brazilian 80-84% euro

[Tommy199]

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@cmv88
@Vpdimieri

I think the issue here is that you are both New Worlders, so you are exposed to Amerindian features on a daily basis, making them appear more "normal" and common to you, plus many self-identified "white" New Worlders, even in the US but much more so in LatAm have native admix themselves, thus you probably subconsciously accept these as "full Euro"
Whereas here, such features and admixtures simply do not exist, so we can notice it much more easily, at least that's my theory

I mean, don't 97% of all Argentinians self-identify as "white"? How does that compute with them being castizo on average?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=59696&d=1438440553

Oh and in this pic, if I didn't know his background, I would have probably guessed Kazakh or something around that area. Again, such squinty eyes and that weird nose are (almost) non-existant in native Euros

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/245713/lionel-messi.jpg

[Brasileiro]

I agree that he finds himself with Native American features, but tests and genetic studies in Latin America is a joke, simply because the results give very different from one test to another. It is simply immeasurable. These estimates are unrealistic.

Look the difference:

http://i.imgur.com/Tt1xLqR.jpg

[Argentano]

@cmv88
@Vpdimieri

I think the issue here is that you are both New Worlders, so you are exposed to Amerindian features on a daily basis, making them appear more "normal" and common to you, plus many self-identified "white" New Worlders, even in the US but much more so in LatAm have native admix themselves, thus you probably subconsciously accept these as "full Euro"
Whereas here, such features and admixtures simply do not exist, so we can notice it much more easily, at least that's my theory

I mean, don't 97% of all Argentinians self-identify as "white"? How does that compute with them being castizo on average?

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=59696&d=1438440553

Oh and in this pic, if I didn't know his background, I would have probably guessed Kazakh or something around that area. Again, such squinty eyes and that weird nose are (almost) non-existant in native Euros

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/245713/lionel-messi.jpg

First of all 97% of argentines dont self identify as white...we are not asked about our race in the census...the governament just invents a %

Second the typical argie is not castizo....mosts tests of argentina have half of the sample -10% amerindian and the other half mestizo......i mean look at the test below the average argie was 18% amerindian but if you look at individual results 52% of the sample was less than 10% amerindian and only 13% of the sample was in the castizo range

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-1809.2009.00556.x/full

http://i1070.photobucket.com/albums/u492/cmv_88/suppinfo_zps39d8b67f.png

[Tommy199]

Classifications?

[Jana]

Alpine-med/amerindian. She has visible native admixture in her phenotype :)

Messi looks full European to me.

[aherne]

Oh and in this pic, if I didn't know his background, I would have probably guessed Kazakh or something around that area. Again, such squinty eyes and that weird nose are (almost) non-existant in native Euros

http://d.ibtimes.co.uk/en/full/245713/lionel-messi.jpg

I would have guessed a native of Turkestan (Uyghur or Pamiri). Here Messi looks like a full blown Mestizo, but in most pictures he doesn't. I think castizo would be fair...

[hatobureika]

Look at his cheekbones and eyes... I'm certain he's at least 10-20% Amerindian. Sure, you will see pseudo-Mongoloid traits among natives from all over Europe in rare cases, but the fact he's from the new World make the source of his features much more likely to be actually Amerindian/Mongoloid than fully European pseudo-mong by the laws of statistics.
Oh and about the "Spanish" girl you keep posting - I'm sure she's mestiza, Spain has received a lot of Latin American immigrants in the last decades, so unless you can provide a source stating otherwise, I'm assuming she's not fully Iberian

Your absolute ignorance definitely baffles me.
Spain has received a number of Central/South American immigrants recently, but we rarely interbreed with them.
Most indios here mate among themselves, and barely mix.

Also, you seem not to know anything about non-Nordic people. That kind of face (Messi's gal) has been always very common in Southern Europe since the dawn of times.
I guess for you pink-skinned blondes, anyone with slightly tanned skin and brown eyes is a Mongoloid or Caucasoid.
Seriously, get your shyte together, dude.

[Odin]

Castiza (Gracile-Med + Alpine + Lagid).

[aherne]

Now compare 80% Messi with your GF

http://imguol.com/2012/07/08/messi-foi-ao-casamento-de-iniesta-com-sua-namorada-antonella-rocuzzo-que-mostrou-o-barrigao-1341795153119_615x300.jpg

http://www.diariofemenino.com/uploads/actualidad/57260-antonella-roccuzzo-bruna-marquezine.jpg

Antonella

http://37.media.tumblr.com/d27630a91b36142338b0902168208d65/tumblr_minbrtMUfC1rxoccro1_500.jpg

http://www.football.co.uk/img/wags/antonella_roccuzzo/antonella_roccuzzo_10.jpg

Amerindian is so obvious in her (Mestiza). She doesn't pass anywhere but Americas...

[Xacal]

Castiza, Alpine-Med + minor Amerindian

[Universe]

https://i.imgur.com/gxVYBNr.gif