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StonyArabia
07-29-2015, 02:12 AM
Iraq is multiethnic nation. Iraq has several ethnic groups and each one is divided into many tribes within. Tribalism is quite strong in Iraq and so is the tribal identity.

Semitic ethnic groups:

Iraqi Assyrian/Chaldea are ethnic group that is concentrated in Northern Iraq and often follow Nestorian Christianity at times called the Assyrian church of the East, and the Chaldean Catholic church which became in communion with Rome. They are of medium height with light olive to pale skin and having most often dark hair and eyes, although light eyes and hair is not uncommon. They speak an Aramaic based language. Some Assyrians also practice the Syriac Orthodox faith

http://s9.postimg.org/lherwc5a7/Assyrianiraqi.jpg (http://postimg.org/image/mwgcl26d7/full/)

http://s14.postimg.org/rvft5fupd/Assyrianiraqi2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s1.postimg.org/qbmqbi2qn/Assyrianiraqi3.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s9.postimg.org/otho3dmf3/Assyrianiraqi4.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Iraqi Bedouins. Iraqi Bedouins are an ethnic group concentrated in Western Iraq aka the Syrian Desert. They often follow Sunni Islam with minority following Christianity and at times Shiaism often intermixed with some animistic elements. Iraqi Bedouins are dark skinned with reddish brown skin and are often of short height. They speak the Arabic language with the dialect based on Nejidi and Badawi. Blondism is in general very rare. The Bedouins are known to be very stubborn people and are not easily controlled. They often have tribal based society, each lead by sheikh(elder). Diet consist of meat mostly

http://s22.postimg.org/rlpvomrn5/Iraqi_Arab4.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s28.postimg.org/4hku0eri5/Iraqi_Arab2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s2.postimg.org/mzf2ek5s9/iraq_mosul.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s27.postimg.org/66cbnk0jn/Iraqi_Arab10.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Marsh Arabs are ethnic group concentrated in Southern Iraq, they often follow Shia Islam intermixed with animistic believes a small minority follows Sunni Islam. They tend to be tall and dark skinned and blondism is rare but appears at times. Marsh Arabs speak a dialect of Arabic very close to Mesopotamian Arabic the general Iraqi dialect and Gulf Arabic. Marsh Arab society resembles that of the Bedouins divided into tribes also lead by a sheikh. Marsh Arabs are known to be hospital and friendly people to strangers. Diet consist mostly of fish.

http://s3.postimg.org/62vqi98kz/Marsh_Arab1.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s30.postimg.org/u88c5zuvl/Marsh_Arab7.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s18.postimg.org/kuu8tsi3t/Marsh_Arab2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s22.postimg.org/7hak7riwh/Marsh_Arabwoman4.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

sql
07-29-2015, 02:17 AM
The Assyrians aren't "Chaldean". They were given that name by the Catholic church because they are Mesopotamian Christians, and Abraham was from "Ur of the Chaldees", so they tried to "Bible-ify" their identity, when in fact the ancient Assyrians pushed around the Israelites and caused 10 tribes to go missing.

spanish catalan
07-29-2015, 02:22 AM
assyrians is sumerians + akkadians mix people?

StonyArabia
07-29-2015, 02:28 AM
Iranic ethnic groups:


Arabized Persians are one of the most significant communities in Iraq. The Persian presence in Iraq is an old and ancient one. However most Arabized Iraqi Persians trace their origins to the migration during the Qajar times for business and religious reasons. As these Persians migrated they adopted Arabic as their first language and assimilated to the Arab culture but maintain their Persian traditions. Many came from all areas of Iran. Today many can be found in the cities of Najaf and Karbala. They often adhere to Shia Islam, with a minority Sunni.

http://s8.postimg.org/ofbacjv5x/Iraqipersian1.png (http://postimage.org/)

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http://s15.postimg.org/vc2nn8tvv/Iraqi_Persian4.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Kurds are an Iranic ethnic group concentrated in Northern Iraq. Kurds are mostly Sunni Islam with minority of Shia Muslims, Yazidis, and Shias. Kurds are known to be a mountain people and are tall. Their skin color ranges from olive to pale, and blondism is not uncommon. Kurds maintain a distinct identity and have not accepted Arabized element in their culture. Iraqi Kurds speak several dialect but the main one is Sorani, with Kurmanji, and Zaza-Gorani dialects being a minority including the Fayli which is spoken by Shia Kurds.

http://s10.postimg.org/57g272xsp/Iraqi_Kurds.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s14.postimg.org/4zzlgxgz5/Iraqi_Kurds2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

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http://s3.postimg.org/56lxgyboz/Kurds4.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

Journeyman26
07-29-2015, 02:37 AM
Wow! The facial features of many of the Assyrians wouldn't look out of place in parts of Europe.

sql
07-29-2015, 02:38 AM
assyrians is sumerians + akkadians mix people?

No. Akkadians + Aramaeans.

Profileid
07-29-2015, 02:43 AM
Wow! The facial features of many of the Assyrians wouldn't look out of place in parts of Europe.

I disagree.They have the same sharp features many of the other Middle Eastern peoples have, although their faces are slightly more plump and round.
Assyrian woman from Syria.
http://www.learnassyrian.com/songs/juliana.jpg

MsSPF
07-29-2015, 02:44 AM
Kurdish women wear caftan or derived version of caftan ?
Iraqis look quite diverse. It's a beautiful country with a long history and civilisation.

Assyrians look very similar to Syrian people. Since they are neighbors, it's fair.

spanish catalan
07-29-2015, 02:46 AM
No. Akkadians + Aramaeans.

http://i60.tinypic.com/2s682dk.jpg

sql
07-29-2015, 02:50 AM
http://i60.tinypic.com/2s682dk.jpg

Our origins are certainly not Arabian...

MsSPF
07-29-2015, 02:52 AM
Our origins are certainly not Arabian...

Since Arabs are also semites, it's totally plausible. There were many Jewish in Arabian peninsula btw.

spanish catalan
07-29-2015, 02:54 AM
Our origins are certainly not Arabian...

indigenous people of Iraq is sumerians(possible origin in Caucasus),before the semitic migration(akkadians,aramaeans,eblaites...)

StonyArabia
07-29-2015, 02:56 AM
Turkic ethnic groups

Iraqi Turkmens: Iraqi Turkmens are ethnic group that lives in Northern Iraq and speak an Oghuz Turkic language mostly concentrated in Northern Iraq cities of Kirkuk and parts of Nineveh province. Their origins is believed to have come from the Mamluks but many trace their origins to the Ottoman times. Iraqi Turkmens follow both Sunni and Shia Islam. They at times have Asiatic features, light eyes and hair are also not uncommon. Their skin color ranges from brown to pale. Turkmens consider Kirkuk to be their "scared" city.

http://s8.postimg.org/yu89tzdl1/Iraqi_Turkmens1.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s9.postimg.org/uss3l6jzz/Iraqi_Turkmens2.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s23.postimg.org/7j5q9bth7/Iraqi_Turkmens3.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

http://s14.postimg.org/5c40qegc1/tur3.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

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spanish catalan
07-29-2015, 02:57 AM
Since Arabs are also semites, it's totally plausible. There were many Jewish in Arabian peninsula btw.

before the semitic people in levant,there were the indigenous peoples of levant(possible connection with caucasus-anatolian people)

StonyArabia
07-29-2015, 03:08 AM
Kurdish women wear caftan or derived version of caftan ?
Iraqis look quite diverse. It's a beautiful country with a long history and civilisation.

Assyrians look very similar to Syrian people. Since they are neighbors, it's fair.

I don't know about much about Kurdish culture. However I know a lot about Arabian derived culture that's of the Marsh Arabs and Bedouins. Iraqis are diverse because each ethnic group has different origins they trace their origin to different places. Bedouin trace their origins in Arabia, and this is the same is true of Marsh Arabs, however the environment created a different culture. If you look at the Bedouins and Marsh Arabs they look similar aside from the difference of height. The latter tend to be taller. However both will assert their Arabian identity. However there is clear difference between Assyrians, Arabized Persians, Kurds, Iraqi Turkmens, Bedouins, and Marsh Arabs which clearly prove a different origin of these people and they also had different elements in their ethnogenesis. A Bedouin and Marsh Arab might have somewhat of different culture and sectarian affiliation but they reality they feel closer to one another than they do to other ethnic groups in the region. Blood is thicker than water most often.

Seth MacFarlane
07-29-2015, 03:24 AM
Our origins are certainly not Arabian...

Origin wasnt from Arabia but Arabs likely came and mixed with other Semitic speaking groups . Grant heslov and odeh fehr both look partially arabid influenced

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/oded-fehr-premiere-resident-evil-retribution-02.jpg

http://www.quotationof.com/images/grant-heslov-6.jpg

spanish catalan
07-29-2015, 03:35 AM
Origin wasnt from Arabia but Arabs likely came and mixed with other Semitic speaking groups . Grant heslov and odeh fehr both look partially arabid influenced

http://www.aceshowbiz.com/images/wennpic/oded-fehr-premiere-resident-evil-retribution-02.jpg

http://www.quotationof.com/images/grant-heslov-6.jpg

i think haplogroup j1 is native sumerian and g2a is native levantine

http://i61.tinypic.com/2h3czky.jpg

and e1b1b is semitic invaders

http://i59.tinypic.com/s1u4pv.jpg

this is my theory.

Seth MacFarlane
07-29-2015, 03:46 AM
i think haplogroup j1 is native sumerian and g2a is native levantine

http://i61.tinypic.com/2h3czky.jpg

and e1b1b is semitic invaders

http://i59.tinypic.com/s1u4pv.jpg

this is my theory.

Yup , j1 is most commen in the world in Yemen at 70 percent and then Negev bedouins ,quatar , syrian Ismail , syrian Sunni and Hama , then Jordanians , Samaritians etc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267

spanish catalan
07-29-2015, 03:50 AM
Yup , j1 is most commen in the world in Yemen at 70 person and then Negev bedouins ,quatar , syrian Ismail , syrian Sunni and Hama , then Jordanians , Samaritians etc https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_J-M267

yes, but j1 have origin in fertile crescent and i don't think arabs come from north

Seth MacFarlane
07-29-2015, 03:53 AM
yes, but j1 have origin in fertile crescent and i don't think arabs come from north

Your thinking of j2

http://s1.postimg.org/bzmot4msf/image.jpg

spanish catalan
07-29-2015, 04:00 AM
Your thinking of j2

http://s1.postimg.org/bzmot4msf/image.jpg

yeah, I forgot the haplogroup j2.
i think j1,j2 and g2a is indigenous of the levant-anatolia-caucasus-mesopotamia before the semitic invasions

MsSPF
07-29-2015, 11:14 AM
I don't know about much about Kurdish culture. However I know a lot about Arabian derived culture that's of the Marsh Arabs and Bedouins. Iraqis are diverse because each ethnic group has different origins they trace their origin to different places. Bedouin trace their origins in Arabia, and this is the same is true of Marsh Arabs, however the environment created a different culture. If you look at the Bedouins and Marsh Arabs they look similar aside from the difference of height. The latter tend to be taller. However both will assert their Arabian identity. However there is clear difference between Assyrians, Arabized Persians, Kurds, Iraqi Turkmens, Bedouins, and Marsh Arabs which clearly prove a different origin of these people and they also had different elements in their ethnogenesis. A Bedouin and Marsh Arab might have somewhat of different culture and sectarian affiliation but they reality they feel closer to one another than they do to other ethnic groups in the region. Blood is thicker than water most often.

I think it is since caftan in Maghreb are almost the same due to Ottoman influences.
Anyway thank you for your explanation, it makes sense since Iraq is a big country with different ethnic groups.
What is the ethnicity of rest of "Arabs" or arabophone without any attaches with Kurdish, Beduins, Assyrians etc... like in places in Bagdad? Or you count them as Arabized Persians or Marsh Arabs or they are very distinct persons ?

Alially
07-29-2015, 11:41 AM
Day by day christians are decreasing

StonyArabia
07-29-2015, 03:46 PM
I think it is since caftan in Maghreb are almost the same due to Ottoman influences.
Anyway thank you for your explanation, it makes sense since Iraq is a big country with different ethnic groups.
What is the ethnicity of rest of "Arabs" or arabophone without any attaches with Kurdish, Beduins, Assyrians etc... like in places in Bagdad? Or you count them as Arabized Persians or Marsh Arabs or they are very distinct persons ?

Baghdad is very multiethnic city because of it's nature being the capital. Many people in Baghdad would trace their origins to these ethnic groups. This can be seen in the communities they live in, and the faith they often adhere to, and the origins can be told by surnames. Baghdad at one time did hold a large community of Arabized Persians, and significant amount of Sunni Bedouins in the 1970's. However there was increasing migration from the Marsh Arab areas in Baghdad which has shifted the demographic. Kurds especially Faylis live in large numbers in Baghdad. Assyrians used to live in Baghdad but many have left as result of the wars, and the break down of society. The only distinct Arab community is found in Northern areas of Iraq where they overlap with Assyrians, often by genetics, and with their dialect more akin to Levantine than it's with the Bedouin, Gulf Arabic, or Iraqi Arab dialects which are spoken. If you go to Baghdad you will hear different languages, dialects often spoken because of it's metropolitan nature.

aksakallicocuk
07-29-2015, 06:54 PM
Kurdish women wear caftan or derived version of caftan ?


Yes they do in special events.

themrdude1990
07-29-2015, 08:16 PM
Yeah that's accuarate about the marsh arabs
from Coon
http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/troe166.jpg
FIG. 6 (2 views, photo Henry Field. From Field, Henry, Arabs of Central Iraq, Anth. Mem. of the Field Museum of Natural History, vol. 4, 1935, Plate LXXX). A tall Mediterranean from Iraq. The Iraqians, who are apparently direct and unaltered descendants of the ancient Mesopotamians, are Mediterraneans. They are, however, on the whole taller, darker-skinned, longer-faced, and straighter-haired than the Arabs.

Zanzibar
07-29-2015, 08:18 PM
Very interesting thread. :)
Who are the modern day descendants of Akkadians, Sumerians, Babylonians?

MsSPF
07-29-2015, 08:21 PM
Yes they do in special events.

Yes, like in Maghreb and I guess other countries where Ottoman empire had influences. We also have karakou. Thanks for your answer :)

spanish catalan
07-29-2015, 10:20 PM
Very interesting thread. :)
Who are the modern day descendants of Akkadians, Sumerians, Babylonians?

iraqi people