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Iloko
08-10-2015, 07:04 AM
They are known to be very large and imposing people. Supposedly this is the case with the vast majority of them.

Was it the hybridization with Papuan genetics?

Was it because of the trecherous nature of their voyages towards the faraway islands? It must have taken a lot to conquer those islands, no?

Certain environmental factors must've come into play through natural selection.

Annie999
08-10-2015, 07:10 AM
All I can say is I'm not usually attracted to asians, but samoan men are the exception, many do look manly and strong :redface_002:

revealman
08-12-2015, 06:23 PM
all pacific islanders have huge frames, i guess they eat a lot of fish + sunlight on melanin = vitamin d booster = testosterone

http://sluthate.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22501

http://atlantablackstar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/The-Rock-4.png

the maori are also very well built


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6g3QbH_i2VU

Harkonnen
08-12-2015, 07:24 PM
Because they are flubber whales who love to flubber all day in the oceans

http://img11.deviantart.net/5806/i/2012/316/0/e/walrus_god_by_staplesart-d5kr5vx.jpg

Arcadefire
08-12-2015, 07:30 PM
Dat Austroloid warrior gene :P

Harkonnen
08-12-2015, 07:40 PM
Australoids have actually never been much of a warriors. I think those puny mongoloids have time and time again proven to be warriors@heart. They were very robust tho, but again they're closest genetic kin, the negritos have a very very different physical type. Again we can see the plasticity talked about earlier. You can also add Papuans to the mix, clearly different bunch, but again in global context all these melano-australian are genetically closer to mongoloid, even tho in physical type a papuan or australoid I think could be seen closer to some western eurasian types.

Linebacker
08-12-2015, 07:51 PM
Hunter-Gatherer-Fisher lifestyles.

Hadouken
08-12-2015, 07:52 PM
Samoans are Übermensch

2 of my most favorite fighters are Samoan : Mark Hunt and David Tua

revealman
08-12-2015, 07:56 PM
Australoids have actually never been much of a warriors. I think those puny mongoloids have time and time again proven to be warriors@heart. They were very robust tho, but again they're closest genetic kin, the negritos have a very very different physical type. Again we can see the plasticity talked about earlier. You can also add Papuans to the mix, clearly different bunch, but again in global context all these melano-australian are genetically closer to mongoloid, even tho in physical type a papuan or australoid I think could be seen closer to some western eurasian types.
haha says a finnish man whose country has the largest mongoloid blood in europe namely haplogroup N :D

Harkonnen
08-12-2015, 08:09 PM
haha says a finnish man whose country has the largest mongoloid blood in europe namely haplogroup N :D

How is it actually mongoloid? You do know that pretty much all of the basal N types are found in North-Eastern Europe. It is pretty much certain now, that modern N1c1 lineages were spread by a predominantly northern European population. If you mean in a more basal level, like in it's relation to O, you should know that N split from O only few thousand years later it had split from K (includes here R), so if NO was mongoloid, it would be very logical then to pressume that R too is mongoloid, if not for the fact that R is actually phylogenetically closer to M and S etc today confined to negrito populations, in which case it would be more precise to say that R is a negrito haplogroup.

Harkonnen
08-12-2015, 08:55 PM
Ok so here is the study: http://genome.cshlp.org/content/suppl/2015/02/18/gr.186684.114.DC1/Supplemental_Figures.pdf

Basal N1c1 and N1b is in North East Europe. This means that the Siberian N1c1 descents from the East European N1c1, not the other way round. Try to understand what this means :)
This makes sense linguistically; Uralic is a newcomer in Siberia.

According to "The complex admixture history and recent southern origins of Siberian populations"

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/suppl/2015/04/30/018770.DC1/018770-1.pdf

The earliest admixture event in Samoyedic speaking Selkups and Nenets happened 2700 and 2500 years ago when a European component mixed with Central Siberian component. This fits well with the linguistic evidence of the Samoyedic expansion from Volga-Ural to Altai (which also fits the phylogenetic fact that Siberian N descents from Volga-Ural N), in which case I would propose that the European component represents the original Samoyedics. The second admixture event then happened 1500 years ago when the afore mentioned posse mixed another time; this time with Western Siberian component; & voila there we have the modern Samoyedics.

Modern Nenets have combined WHG/ANE component at around 50%

http://oi61.tinypic.com/90va0j.jpg

From this you can count that the proto-Samoyeds must have had a whoppingly large North Euro component. (I'm going to take a wild guess that the North European population that mixed with Central Siberian population 2500 years ago wasn't a pure North Euro population but had some East Eurasianity to it already, but still)

Rugevit
08-12-2015, 09:17 PM
You do know that pretty much all of the basal N types are found in North-Eastern Europe. It is pretty much certain now, that modern N1c1 lineages were spread by a predominantly northern European population.

The origin of haplogroup based on basal haplotypes and diversity of SNP mutations is under assumption there were no migrations into the region. Migrations from different regions could have resulted in greater diversity. A good example is West Indies on which higher diversity and many basal African types are found than in Africa, because many migrants from different parts of Africa settled on the island.

N1c1 L550+ L1025+ is a north-east European. All others subclades are under a question mark. ;)

de Burgh II
08-12-2015, 09:31 PM
Positive selection perhaps? It may simply run in their genetics to have an endomorphic/mesomorphic disposition that may be reminiscent of their hunter-gatherer ways. Nonetheless, thats Samoan genetics for you.

Harkonnen
08-12-2015, 09:33 PM
The origin of haplogroup based on basal haplotypes and diversity of SNP mutations is under assumption there were no migrations into the region. Migrations from different regions could have resulted in greater diversity. A good example is West Indies on which higher diversity and many basal African types are found than in Africa, because many migrants from different parts of Africa settled on the island.

N1c1 L550+ L1025+ is a north-east European. All others subclades are under a question mark. ;)

Oh please if L550 is NE European, then so is the rest of N1c1. There's no splitting branches there.

revealman
08-12-2015, 09:53 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=g_R-IrhtIzk

Carlito's Way
08-18-2015, 12:08 AM
i am not sure but those guys are definitely huge in height and in muscle, in my school there was a Samoan community and yeah those guys were strong
the women are also strong, big bone is what i call them, they are not very attractive because of their big bone body frame but the skinnier ones are perfect to my eyes

Polynesians in general are all well built
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-6ol1yDk0N3E/TdxJWa90-TI/AAAAAAAABmQ/Y0NO_isyn6s/s400/leonard-peters%2B2.jpg


the Polynesian women are very beautiful
http://41.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5y5d4jRGX1r42igdo1_500.jpg

Felix Volkbein
08-18-2015, 12:14 AM
All I can say is I'm not usually attracted to asians, but samoan men are the exception, many do look manly and strong :redface_002:

So this is your type, huh?

http://www.pwhf.org/halloffamers/2012/wild_samoans_3.jpg

https://wwfringside.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/headshrinkersfs.jpg

Demon Revival
08-18-2015, 12:32 AM
So this is your type, huh?

http://www.pwhf.org/halloffamers/2012/wild_samoans_3.jpg

https://wwfringside.files.wordpress.com/2014/03/headshrinkersfs.jpg

I'm sure she had in mind something like this:
http://lazysundaymag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Jason-Momoa-main.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/64H8gEW.jpg

Journeyman26
08-18-2015, 12:34 AM
founder effects and sexual selection