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Eldritch
08-08-2010, 12:53 PM
Russia’s Response to Fires Does Little to Calm

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Volunteers and emergency services members worked last week near Plotava, east of Moscow.

The flames, bright orange and menacing, advanced steadily through a field of dried-out reeds, sending up coils of smoke and heading in the general direction of a village that, with its log homes, picket fences and gigantic haystacks, seemed to have been laid out by an arsonist.

With calamity perhaps only a few minutes away, all that stood between the flames and the village, Zaprudino, was 58-year-old Vladimir M. Ulyonov, equipped with a shovel and a lot of anger at his government for failing to provide even the most minimal assistance.

In this summer of extreme heat, drought, crop failures and, now, a nationwide eruption of wildfires, the Russian government is facing a rare upwelling of popular anger. More than 3,000 people have been left homeless because of the fires, the government has said, and 52 have been killed.

And as the acres burn and the damage mounts, the government is being tested at all levels and, quite often, found wanting. After decades of institutional inertia and official corruption, opposition figures here say, the government’s capacity to respond to crises has been severely eroded, a fact that has emerged starkly in recent days.

When the wildfires broke out, stoked by the hottest weather here since record-keeping began, more than 130 years, ago, officials and the Russian news media reported that firefighters had discovered access roads to the forests were overgrown and in poor repair, ponds intended to provide water for refilling their tanks were filled with sludge and their fire trucks were frequently broken down.

Local officials also blame a revised 2006 forest code that allowed logging companies to contract out firefighting operations. When the fires broke out, the contractors were woefully unprepared and inadequately equipped, said Viktor N. Sorokhin, a deputy head of administration for the Orekhovo-Zuyevo district, about 50 miles east of Moscow.

The new code also cut the number of foresters in the district by half, he added, to 150 from 300.

As the fire damage mounts, critics have noted that Ilim Pulp, a timber company half owned by International Paper, where President Dmitiri A. Medvedev worked as a corporate lawyer in the 1990s, had lobbied hard for the legislation easing logging regulation.

Whatever the reasons, a recent tour found the Orekhovo-Zoyevo district in dire need of more equipment and personnel. Beside the M-108 highway, a two-lane ribbon of asphalt carved through a towering birch forest, a fire burned without a single firefighter in sight, smoke wafting onto the road as trucks zoomed past through the haze.

To deflect mounting criticism, Prime Minister Vladimir V. Putin has met fire victims and given generous aid to those who lost homes. On Thursday, he banned grain exports to ease concern of shortages or rising prices.

Russia’s leaders have also made daily announcements critical of lower-level officials. On Friday, Mr. Medvedev said he would hold mayors accountable for negligence. On Thursday, he cut short a vacation in Sochi, on the Black Sea, to return to Moscow and dismiss five military officials for failing to protect a base in the Moscow region that burned.

“If something similar happens in other places, in other agencies, I’ll do exactly the same thing, with no sympathy,” he said.

Dmitri S. Peskov, a spokesman for Mr. Putin, said the criticism of governors and other local officials merely reflected the division of responsibility for firefighting in Russia, as most fire brigades come under regional authorities.

Whoever is ultimately responsible, the fires have done extensive damage, and many continue to burn out of control. The Russian government had had to remove artillery shells from one military base and to remove radioactive material from a huge nuclear research complex in central Russia.

On Saturday, Moscow was choked with smoke, which seemed more like a smelly fog, thick enough to leave an aftertaste and a sensation of cement dust in the mouth. Residents wandered in the milky haze, many wearing surgical masks and dazed looks.

Full story here. (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/08/world/europe/08fires.html?_r=1&hp)

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esaima
08-08-2010, 05:32 PM
It seems that smoke from forest and peat-bog fires of Russia has reached here South-East Estonia.
They sky was today lightly hazy and there was smell of smoke.

The Lawspeaker
08-08-2010, 05:45 PM
It's going from bad to worse...

I wonder: what exactly are our fire crews and government waiting for ?
And those of our neighbours ?
Let's give those Russki's a hand.

Baron Samedi
08-08-2010, 07:40 PM
It's going from bad to worse...

I wonder: what exactly are our fire crews and government waiting for ?
And those of our neighbours ?
Let's give those Russki's a hand.

Don't help the Russians, otherwise Latvia is really screwed.

The Lawspeaker
08-08-2010, 10:28 PM
Don't help the Russians, otherwise Latvia is really screwed.
The Russki's are the most troublesome cousin of the European family. Having said that: they are still family.

nisse
08-09-2010, 04:00 AM
It seems that smoke from forest and peat-bog fires of Russia has reached here South-East Estonia.
They sky was today lightly hazy and there was smell of smoke.
Some friend of ours that moved to Moscow went camping and had to drive out as far as Pskov (!) to get any respite from the smoke.

They said that they saw fire crews with flags of other countries on their way (they mentioned Poland for sure), so I guess Russia is getting some help :).

Guapo
08-09-2010, 04:10 AM
On tv they showed hot Russian girls walking around with surgical masks. I clued in after what was actually happening there. Stoopid media.

Eldritch
08-09-2010, 09:16 AM
Some friend of ours that moved to Moscow went camping and had to drive out as far as Pskov (!) to get any respite from the smoke.


Moscow is freezing cold in winter, infernally hot during summer. Add to that smog and pollution, and now this:

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:coffee:

An old friend of mine just spent a week in Moscow, and got out just in time before the fires. In addition to having the constant feeling that the food he eats, the water he drinks and the air he breathes is trying to kill him, the girl he was staying with actually did try to kill him by dropping a giant potted plant on him from her balcony as he was leaving. However it landed on the sidewalk just in front of his feet. :eek:

The Ripper
08-10-2010, 07:18 AM
This year it seems to be really bad, even if it is an annual phenomenon.

A couple of years ago there were large fires in Russian Karelia. Finland offered to help. The Russians refused and blamed Finnish tourists for the fires. :D

Bloodeagle
08-10-2010, 04:25 PM
They have fires in Russia all of the time.:D
It is about time you had one in the European sphere.:rolleyes:

Moonbird
08-10-2010, 05:10 PM
the girl he was staying with actually did try to kill him by dropping a giant potted plant on him from her balcony as he was leaving. However it landed on the sidewalk just in front of his feet. :eek:

And why's that? Did he forget to pay her?:rolleyes:

Eldritch
08-10-2010, 05:30 PM
And why's that? Did he forget to pay her?:rolleyes:

Oh, they've been at each others' throats on and off for years. They're the classical couple who hate each others' guts deeply but can't seem to keep their hand off each other. The potted plant bombing was just the last incident in a long string that has so far featured crashed cars, STD's, engagement rings dramatically thrown from bridges into River Moskva, lots of flying crockery, etc.

d3cimat3d
08-10-2010, 05:47 PM
. The Russians refused and blamed Finnish tourists for the fires. :D

I bet now the Russians will blame Chechen "terrorists". :rolleyes:

Loddfafner
08-10-2010, 09:27 PM
If last year's American blizzards were enough reason for gleeful jokes about Al Gore, then maybe this year's heat waves are evidence of the seriousness of global warming. At least the BBC makes an argument blaming it for Russian fires. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10919460)

The Lawspeaker
08-10-2010, 09:28 PM
Yes.. they are desperately trying to force-feed us with their bullshit now.. :)

Guapo
08-11-2010, 01:44 AM
"terrorists". :rolleyes:

Why the quotation marks? What about Estonian terrorists.

nisse
08-11-2010, 03:15 AM
I bet now the Russians will blame Chechen "terrorists". :rolleyes:

I think you better get ready to lose that bet. This is clearly meteorological, and chechen terrorists do enough on their own that the Russian government doesn't need to take the risk of attributing this to them...

Eldritch
08-11-2010, 08:38 AM
If last year's American blizzards were enough reason for gleeful jokes about Al Gore, then maybe this year's heat waves are evidence of the seriousness of global warming. At least the BBC makes an argument blaming it for Russian fires. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10919460)

While I did think it was pretty hilarious to have the Copenhagen global warming conference in the midst of air traffic-grounding snowstorms all over Europe, people ought to realise that changing climate patterns can take different forms. It's easy to call climate change a joke when you digging your car out of a snowbank. But that misses the big, global picture.

lei.talk
08-15-2010, 04:07 PM
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Deaths in Moscow were averaging 700 people a day (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Russian_wildfires#Public_health_effects), about twice the average number, amid a sweltering heat wave and poisonous smog from wildfires, according to Andrei Seltsovky, a Russian health official. He blamed weeks of unprecedented heat and suffocating smog for the rise in mortality compared to the same time last year, adding that city morgues were nearly overflowing, with 1,300 bodies, close to their capacity. The heat wave is likely unprecedented in Russia in 1,000 years, and may have killed over 15,000 people so far.

Fires have affected areas contaminated by the Chernobyl incident (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chernobyl_disaster), specifically the surroundings of Bryansk and border regions with Belarus and Ukraine. Due to this, soil and plant particles contaminated by radioactive material could be released into the air and spread over wider areas. The Russian government indicates that there has been no discernible increase in radiation levels, while Greenpeace (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenpeace) accuses the government of denial.

Loki
08-15-2010, 04:13 PM
:(

The winter can't come soon enough ...

Äike
08-15-2010, 04:15 PM
What about Estonian terrorists.

I also love to use oxymorons.

W. R.
08-15-2010, 04:37 PM
Yulia Latynina as always knows everything about everybody: http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/article/putin-sang-songs-while-russia-burned/411636.html

Great Dane
08-16-2010, 12:42 AM
If last year's American blizzards were enough reason for gleeful jokes about Al Gore, then maybe this year's heat waves are evidence of the seriousness of global warming. At least the BBC makes an argument blaming it for Russian fires. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-10919460)There has been record breaking cold in South America. Here in farm country we get weather reports for Brazil and Argentina, they being our main competitors in the export of grain. So we in the north are having record breaking heat, while in the south they have record breaking cold, what does it prove?

The situation in Russia is becoming a cash boom for farmers in the Midwest. Grain prices are going up since Russia imposed a grain export ban. Wheat farmers especially are going to well. But wheat is not a major crop in Iowa but the corn crop is doing well. Even though we have had a heat wave it has also been very humid, which is good for corn.

Eldritch
08-16-2010, 07:15 PM
There has been record breaking cold in South America. Here in farm country we get weather reports for Brazil and Argentina, they being our main competitors in the export of grain. So we in the north are having record breaking heat, while in the south they have record breaking cold, what does it prove?


It proves that climate patterns appear to be changing, for whatever reason.

Great Dane
08-18-2010, 04:05 AM
Climate patterns have always been changing. My farm was under 2 miles of ice 14,000 years ago. Why should we expect climate patterns to stop changing? And why do some people think we can stop climate change, if in fact it is happening?

Eldritch
08-18-2010, 08:27 AM
Climate patterns have always been changing. My farm was under 2 miles of ice 14,000 years ago. Why should we expect climate patterns to stop changing? And why do some people think we can stop climate change, if in fact it is happening?

I'm not disputing any of this, mind you. And it's possible, quite likely in fact, that we can't do anything to stop it.