White Apricity members: Do you have recent/traceable African ancestry in any amount?

[Sikeliot]

By recent I mean, picked up on 23andme or consistently across all GEDMatch calculators etc., and you have legitimate evidence of where and when the ancestry arrived to your family.

This surely cannot be just me and Loki and Kazimiera, it must be a significant number of you. As everyone knows, my maternal grandmother has some Cape Verdean ancestry, and also possibly African on her Madeiran sides, as many Madeiran Portuguese have small amounts of West African genes.

[Visage pâle]

0, according to my family tree

[Ali Pasha]

No negro in my genes sorry lol.

[sql]

<1% Africa North

[Bezprym]

I don't have any results of 23 or whatever else, but am sure, I don't have any ancestry from Africa.

[щрбл]

I'm partially African but telling publicly which part precisely would require underage members to have restricted access to this thread. :rolleyes:

[Linebacker]

I'm partially African but telling publicly which part precisely would require underage members to have restricted access to this thread. :rolleyes:

http://photosandfun.com/_images/Humor/Nudist%20Beach.jpg

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Yes, but I am completely unaware of the source. I have knowledge of it by on 23andme were I found out I had some. Anyway completely unaware of the source, I could just guess, The ancestry being colonial.

[Annie999]

0% SSA, 0.3% north african

[Sikeliot]

I should have specified I mean Black African/SSA.

[Hithaeglir]

I have some recent Negrito ancestry.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I should have specified I mean Black African/SSA.
Yes. I thought so that you mean Black /SSA/West African only here. But for those that don't know you mean Black African.

[de Burgh II]

If you want an honest answer I'm unsure simply its quite dodgy at most. Since most of my ancestors are colonial from Northeastern Canada they bounced around this country for working opportunities. Since 23andme bounces ranges from .1 to .2 at most in West African ancestry which is either noise since its varies under <1% or is very ancient the varies way back in terms of generations. The one thing I can say is conclusive is the Native American component since there was a sizable Metis population in Canada for the most part that rounds close to .7 to .8% that must expand back considerably generations since recent admixture in such things round close to 5-10%% and up that would be visible in one's phenotype.

[Sikeliot]

If you want an honest answer I'm unsure simply its quite dodgy at most. Since most of my ancestors are colonial from Northeastern Canada they bounced around this country for working opportunities. Since 23andme bounces ranges from .1 to .2 at most in West African ancestry which is either noise since its varies under <1% or is very ancient the varies way back in terms of generations. The one thing I can say is conclusive is the Native American component since there was a sizable Metis population in Canada for the most part that rounds close to .7 to .8% that must expand back considerably generations since recent admixture in such things round close to 5-10%% and up that would be visible in one's phenotype.


See if Polako, the guy who runs Eurogenes, can look at your DNA and put it through Eurogenes K7, K8 and K9. Or Doug McDonald. 23andme is based on how you compare to reference populations and as such, there may be some calculator effect going on.

[Marusya]

I don't have any results of 23 or whatever else, but am sure, I don't have any ancestry from Africa.

This is the same for me. My family is very open about these things. :D I am certain if there were African heritage, it would have been mentioned by now. The first black people my Ukrainian grandfather ever saw was when his ship docked at Ellis Island. Most of the dockworkers were black. He even joked about it. "I thought maybe they confuse AFRICA for AMERICA. I tell my brother-in-law, what is this?! We in wrong country!"

[Dylan]

0 SSA with me although I do occasionally get some North African

[Bezprym]

This is the same for me. My family is very open about these things. :D I am certain if there were African heritage, it would have been mentioned by now. The first black people my Ukrainian grandfather ever saw was when his ship docked at Ellis Island. Most of the dockworkers were black. He even joked about it. "I thought maybe they confuse AFRICA for AMERICA. I tell my brother-in-law, what is this?! We in wrong country!"

It is normal for a nation which never took part in colonisations.

[Smitty]

Per your definition of recent, no. I haven't taken a genetic test yet, but the likelihood is extremely low. I can trace nearly all of my mom's ancestors back to Europe, and although my dad is colonial, there's no sign of admixture, whether considering phenotype, socioeconomic class, etc. I still hold that black admixture in white Americans is minimal.

[Nurzat]

I don't even score Southwest Asian, which half of Europeans score (only some West Asian). so no African. I have instead East Asian, picked-up by 23andme (0.4% in conservative mode, so it is true, if even 23andme picks it, and it is surely higher than they show it) and about 3 to 5% in most GedMATCH runs (Siberian + East Asian), which is surely the right amount. so I score more non-White than you guys, but it is Northeast Asian instead of African. I have a big wurst nevertheless

[Argentano]

I score 0 in 23andme....which gedmatch calculator would u recommend to check this?

[Gooding]

Per your definition of recent, no. I haven't taken a genetic test yet, but the likelihood is extremely low. I can trace nearly all of my mom's ancestors back to Europe, and although my dad is colonial, there's no sign of admixture, whether considering phenotype, socioeconomic class, etc. I still hold that black admixture in white Americans is minimal.

Agreed. Oh, on Speculative, 23andMe says I'm .02% Sub Saharan African ( East African and Broadly SSA), but on the other two calculators, AncestryDNA and FTDNA, I come up as 100% European. On Conservative and Standard, the SSA does not come up at all, although ( interestingly) the 0.2% Native American does.

[Guapo]

0 on 23andme and ftdna

[Oneeye]

Only non European I score is 0.1% North African on 23andme, and it's on my X chromosome.

I thought I was exotic with my 1.9% southern Euro. :yawn:


I posted the average scores by state for white Americans in a thread a while back. It's well under 1% (most under 0.6%)

[Mazik]

No I don't. Impossible.

[Sikeliot]

I score 0 in 23andme....which gedmatch calculator would u recommend to check this?

Various Eurogenes and HarappaWorld runs.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Various Eurogenes and HarappaWorld runs.

I seen some Sicilian results who score some African, from 1 to 10% African.

[Argentano]

Various Eurogenes and HarappaWorld runs.



This is my HarappaWorld. Whats San?

Population
S-Indian -
Baloch 6.71%
Caucasian 33.09%
NE-Euro 18.37%
SE-Asian 0.80%
Siberian -
NE-Asian -
Papuan -
American -
Beringian -
Mediterranean 27.16%
SW-Asian 13.59%
San 0.28%
E-African -
Pygmy -
W-African -

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 33.09
2 Mediterranean 27.16
3 NE-Euro 18.37
4 SW-Asian 13.59
5 Baloch 6.71
6 SE-Asian 0.8
7 San 0.28

[Curiosity]

Not that I know of, but I know little about my ancestry from my maternal grandmother's side and from my paternal granfather's side, so I think I might have at least some. I want so much to take the 23andme test soon, but they don't send it to Brasil. :cry2 There's a friend of mine coming from Spain in December, but I wanted it like RIGHT NOW, lol. :laugh:

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Various Eurogenes and HarappaWorld runs.

I try various of them and most of them give me 1 percent more than what I score on 23andme.

[Veneda]

I don't have any results of 23 or whatever else, but am sure, I don't have any ancestry from Africa.

Me too. Poles have a good short children's poem about Murzynek Bambo (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murzynek_Bambo) ('Bambo the black child') by Polish author Julian Tuwim. It helps to acquaint Polish children with the look of African people.

[Gooding]

That sounds a little bit like the book " Little Black Sambo" I read when I was a kid.http://www.fullbooks.com/The-Story-of-Little-Black-Sambo.html

[Loki]

2% SSA

[Annunaki]

Actually, all Middle easterners, Southern Europeans have traceable pre-historic African admixture, especially of the Eastern and Sahel varieties (or as you could call Basal Eurasian). Peoples completely lacking it are such as the Saamis, North Caucasians, most Eastern Europeans, Steppes, etc..

[Grace O'Malley]

I've done 23andMe and FTDNA. I'm just basically British Isles. The most exciting thing was 2.6% French&German on 23andMe.

[Dylan]

I've done 23andMe and FTDNA. I'm just basically British Isles. The most exciting thing was 2.6% French&German on 23andMe.

almost as french as me xD I was ~ 4% French

[Sikeliot]

Actually, all Middle easterners, Southern Europeans have traceable pre-historic African admixture, especially of the Eastern and Sahel varieties (or as you could call Basal Eurasian). Peoples completely lacking it are such as the Saamis, North Caucasians, most Eastern Europeans, Steppes, etc..

I was referring to West/Central African ancestry probably from the Trans-Atlantic slave trade.

[Gooding]

almost as french as me xD I was ~ 4% French

Interesting.. I was 16.0% French and German on 23andme.. if these calculators are so wildly inaccurate in their quanta readings, I wonder how it is that they're so successful? Could somebody trust their African readings on such calculators, then?

[Kazimiera]

2%. I don't know for definite where it's from except that its about 300-400 years old. Not recent.

[Dylan]

Interesting.. I was 16.0% French and German on 23andme.. if these calculators are so wildly inaccurate in their quanta readings, I wonder how it is that they're so successful? Could somebody trust their African readings on such calculators, then?

I'm not sure why it turned out so strangely for me. I think it would be better at separating African from European though. For me it just threw 16% of my French Ancestry as British and Irish. 15% as Iberian, and the rest as generic northern euro or generic euro.

[Sikeliot]

I'm not sure why it turned out so strangely for me. I think it would be better at separating African from European though. For me it just threw 16% of my French Ancestry as British and Irish. 15% as Iberian, and the rest as generic northern euro or generic euro.

If you are part Iberian, some SSA gets sucked into that, and it ends up underestimating it.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

If you are part Iberian, some SSA gets sucked into that, and it ends up underestimating it.

You think so? sounds to wild that theory to be possible.

[Sikeliot]

You think so? sounds to wild that theory to be possible.

Iberians have 1-2% SSA themselves usually don't they?

[Herr Gunter]

100% northern European.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Iberians have 1-2% SSA themselves usually don't they?

I'm sure there is some that score, but that some of it get stuck into the Iberian how? like stuck into the Iberian score? How is can that be possible? that Sub-Saharan African gets stuck into the Iberian score?

I am part Iberian with Amerind of course, but also score some SSA myself but it seems this SSA that It's most likely colonial, got pick up by 23andme and also some North African apart, that seem to be not confused, despite both being "African".

[Sikeliot]

I'm sure there is some that score, but that some of it get stuck into the Iberian how? like stuck into the Iberian score? How is can that be possible? that Sub-Saharan African gets stuck into the Iberian score?

I am part Iberian with Amerind of course, but also score some SSA myself but it seems this SSA that It's most likely colonial, got pick up by 23andme and also some North African apart, that seem to be not confused, despite both being "African".

Iberians seem to have residual African ancestry through their NW African, and it is something more East African like.

Those of us scoring West African consistently know it is more recent from the slave trade.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Iberians seem to have residual African ancestry through their NW African, and it is something more East African like.

Those of us scoring West African consistently know it is more recent from the slave trade.

Interesting, the theory but I still don't understand the other.

[Dylan]

Iberians have 1-2% SSA themselves usually don't they?

That makes sense. Where does this 1-2% SSA come from though? Is it recent or ancient? (By recent, I mean within the last 1000 years)

[Longbowman]

No. But most Jews have a little, like Sicilians and Spaniards. In deep-ancestry runs I get a little.


https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0FIshJWvB_WEkxZmBwuV21gQ7fAnsKyCm0XNU2TzH0/pubhtml

SSA in my country is lowest in entire europe ~0.18

Because no one wants to migrate there ;)

Great spreadsheet by the way.

[Pony]

my 23andme Ancestry Comp showed up with 0.4% SSA, now whether or not it's really there, I don't know because it doesn't show up on anything from gedmatch. Even if it is there I don't particularly care or think its noteworthy at such a small amount.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

That makes sense. Where does this 1-2% SSA come from though? Is it recent or ancient? (By recent, I mean within the last 1000 years)

That seems wild if you ask me. Like Levantine being stuck with Italian? Well, they are the same animal that would make more sense, than Iberian as is Caucasoid and Sub-Saharan is not, lol.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Iberians seem to have residual African ancestry through their NW African, and it is something more East African like.

Those of us scoring West African consistently know it is more recent from the slave trade.

Iberian on 23andme that I score that's pick up as Iberian =17.0% Iberian, and that I have of African ancestry pick up by 23andme is 6.1% SSA and 2.0% North African.

If that's even possible, than you mean to tell me it's possible also for me that I'm probably a little bit but more African than what I know, if that even possible. that SSA gets sucked into that.

[Longbowman]

Iberian on 23andme that I score that's pick up as Iberian =17.0% Iberian, and that I have of African ancestry pick up by 23andme is 6.1% SSA and 2.0% North African.

If that's even possible, than you mean to tell me it's possible also for me that I'm probably a little but more African than what I know, if that even possible. that SSA gets sucked into that.

That North African will be about 25% SSA. I get 1.7% NA on 23andme.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

That North African will be about 25% SSA. I get 1.7% NA on 23andme.

I will do some updates in my info here, as I must accept this.

[jtoml3]

The closest African I get is 1-2% North African on the MLDP calculators (no source). On MDLP K27 I get 0.41% Cushitic and 0.15% Bushmen which I assume if isn't noise, is linked to my minor Polynesian/Papuan ancestry.

[Sikeliot]

That North African will be about 25% SSA. I get 1.7% NA on 23andme.

Only Moroccans and southern Egyptians get that much. Other North Africans get 15-20%.

[Grace O'Malley]

almost as french as me xD I was ~ 4% French

My mother is 4.6% so that is interesting.

[Mortimer]

i dont have african ancestry, 23andme says 0.4% but gedmatch and ftdna disagree also it was different on the old ancestry painting where i was 0, so that must be noise, no documented or knowledge of any real african ancestry

[Armand_Duval]

Not really white over here but I dont have black ancestry either.

[Gooding]

Not really white over here but I dont have black ancestry either.

60% Spaniard and 25% French mean you're bloody well close enough to be white!:P

[Armand_Duval]

60% Spaniard and 25% French mean you're bloody well close enough to be white!:P

I have amerind blood, one drop rule bro...remember?.:D

[Jägerstaffel]

I have amerind blood, one drop rule bro...remember?.:D

One drop = this:

http://www.africanceremonies.com/media/xml/licensing/images/faces-25.jpg

Makes sense, right?

[Gooding]

I have amerind blood, one drop rule bro...remember?.:D

Yeah, we're trying to file that one away with the other " retarded laws of the seventeenth, eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in use in the Thirteen Colonies and the early United States."

[Gooding]

One drop = this:

http://www.africanceremonies.com/media/xml/licensing/images/faces-25.jpg

Makes sense, right?

Oil light in my car just went on.

[Ibericus]

Iberians have 1-2% SSA themselves usually don't they?
I myself score closer to 0% than to 1-2% on the many admixtures of Eurogenes and Dodecad.

[Petalpusher]

Im under the impression the admixture in Iberian is still very variable, some score very low close to 0 and some in the 2-3% range, like it hasn't been stabilized in the population yet. Also lots of differences between regions. In my opinion it can also explain to some extent the disparity in physical apperances that you can find. when it reaches something like 3%, it begins to be a very intense thing but autosomally it doesn't really change where you are genetically, and regardless Iberians still plot the highest north for a south euro country.

[Longbowman]

Only Moroccans and southern Egyptians get that much. Other North Africans get 15-20%.

Rather only northern Egyptians get substantially less than 20%, so, no. Tunisians get around 20% and west of that it gradually increases. Very few Europeans have NA ancestry from places east of Tunis.

[Drawing-slim]

If one has absolutely zero percentage SSA in their dna chances are they don't look very white white. Just like no perfect desert is complete without a little salt.lol Have you noticed South Africans and north American whites they all have tiny bits of SSA but they look whiter than the whites whom have zero. I could be wrong but..lol

[Alessio]

I happen to be lucky :cool:

[Alessio]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tjbII5xqG8s

[Alessio]

Anyone here ever heard of this guy:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leo_Felton

[Petalpusher]

If one has absolutely zero percentage SSA in their dna chances are they don't look very white white. Just like no perfect desert is complete without a little salt.lol Have you noticed South Africans and north American whites they all have tiny bits of SSA but they look whiter than the whites whom have zero. I could be wrong but..lol

That's because they are usually 95% Northern Europe on the other hand.

[Sikeliot]

Rather only northern Egyptians get substantially less than 20%, so, no. Tunisians get around 20% and west of that it gradually increases. Very few Europeans have NA ancestry from places east of Tunis.

I would need to see proof that Algerians and Tunisians are quadroons, when all of the estimates I see are around 15-20%.