More than just British isles?

[firemonkey]

I was wondering whether my admixture results suggested more than British isles ancestry.


Eurogenes K13

Eurogenes K13

1 North_Atlantic 52.52
2 Baltic 23.51
3 West_Med 11.88
4 West_Asian 4.56
5 East_Med 2.29
6 Red_Sea 1.7
7 Amerindian 1.11
8 Northeast_African 0.92
9 East_Asian 0.52
10 Siberian 0.5
11 South_Asian 0.31
12 Oceanian 0.19


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.250
3 Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.261
4 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.276
5 Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.276
6 Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.320
7 Irish + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.411
8 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.416
9 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.429
10 North_Dutch + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.434
11 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.442
12 Irish + North_Dutch + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.475
13 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.513
14 Danish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.513
15 Irish + Norwegian + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.514
16 Orcadian + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.520
17 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.552
18 Irish + Norwegian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.559
19 Norwegian + Southwest_English + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.567
20 North_Dutch + Orcadian + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.568


Eurogenes K15

Eurogenes K15

1 North_Sea 36.08
2 Atlantic 31.18
3 Baltic 10.73
4 West_Med 7.83
5 Eastern_Euro 7.73
6 West_Asian 2.34
7 Red_Sea 1.43
8 Amerindian 0.89
9 Northeast_African 0.69
10 South_Asian 0.33
11 Southeast_Asian 0.32
12 Siberian 0.29
13 East_Med 0.15

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.428
2 Irish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.448
3 Irish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.528
4 Irish + Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish @ 2.625
5 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 2.626
6 Irish + Irish + Irish + Southeast_English @ 2.638
7 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 2.656
8 Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.663
9 Irish + Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.681
10 Irish + Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.731
11 Southwest_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.791
12 Danish + Irish + Irish + Irish @ 2.810
13 West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.845
14 Southeast_English + West_Scottish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 2.856
15 Danish + Irish + Irish + West_Scottish @ 2.889
16 Irish + Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English @ 3.004
17 Danish + Irish + West_Scottish + West_Scottish @ 3.015
18 Irish + Southeast_English + Southeast_English + West_Scottish @ 3.020
19 Irish + Irish + Irish + Orcadian @ 3.029
20 Danish + Irish + Irish + Southwest_English @ 3.030

2009126 iterations.


Dodecad v3

1 West_European 54.36
2 Mediterranean 24.91
3 East_European 11.97
4 West_Asian 6.37
5 South_Asian 1.63
6 Northwest_African 0.58
7 Northeast_Asian 0.13
8 Southeast_Asian 0.03
9 East_African 0.03

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 CEU + CEU + Orkney + Orkney @ 1.775
2 CEU + CEU + Orcadian + Orkney @ 1.789
3 CEU + German + Orcadian + Orkney @ 1.789
4 CEU + CEU + Orkney + Argyll @ 1.790
5 CEU + German + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.791
6 CEU + German + Orkney + Orkney @ 1.799
7 CEU + CEU + Orcadian + Argyll @ 1.809
8 CEU + CEU + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.815
9 CEU + CEU + CEU + Orkney @ 1.870
10 CEU + CEU + German + Orkney @ 1.879
11 German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.883
12 CEU + Orcadian + Orcadian + Argyll @ 1.891
13 CEU + Orcadian + Orkney + Argyll @ 1.907
14 German + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orkney @ 1.914
15 CEU + CEU + German + Orcadian @ 1.915
16 CEU + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orcadian @ 1.915
17 CEU + CEU + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.916
18 CEU + Orcadian + Orcadian + Orkney @ 1.923
19 CEU + CEU + CEU + Orcadian @ 1.928
20 CEU + Orkney + Orkney + Argyll @ 1.934

2344645 iterations.


Dodecad 12B

1 North_European 44.91
2 Atlantic_Med 38.29
3 Gedrosia 9.84
4 Caucasus 4.47
5 Northwest_African 1.05
6 Southwest_Asian 0.8
7 Southeast_Asian 0.43
8 Siberian 0.21

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Argyll + British_Isles + German + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.248
2 English + German + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian @ 1.255
3 CEU30 + German + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian @ 1.257
4 CEU30 + German + Irish + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.264
5 English + German + Irish + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.266
6 British_Isles + German + Irish + Mixed_Germanic @ 1.270
7 British_Isles + German + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian @ 1.273
8 Argyll + Dutch + German + Kent @ 1.273
9 CEU30 + Dutch + German + Irish @ 1.280
10 Dutch + Dutch + Dutch + Dutch @ 1.281
11 English + German + Mixed_Germanic + Orkney @ 1.283
12 Dutch + German + Kent + Orcadian @ 1.286
13 Dutch + German + Irish + Kent @ 1.290
14 German + Kent + Mixed_Germanic + Orkney @ 1.293
15 Dutch + English + German + Irish @ 1.293
16 CEU30 + German + Mixed_Germanic + Orkney @ 1.295
17 Argyll + Dutch + English + German @ 1.299
18 German + Kent + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian @ 1.300
19 Argyll + CEU30 + Dutch + German @ 1.301
20 CEU30 + Dutch + German + Orcadian @ 1.305

1664843 iterations.



MDLP K23

1 European_Hunters_Gatherers 37.77
2 European_Early_Farmers 26.98
3 Caucasian 19.41
4 South_Central_Asian 7.21
5 Ancestral_Altaic 4.27
6 North_African 1.84
7 Amerindian 1.2
8 Near_East 0.42
9 Austronesian 0.39
10 African_Pygmy 0.35
11 Australoid 0.11
12 Archaic_Human 0.04



Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + South_German @ 1.813411
2 German-Volga + North_German + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.858991
3 Dutch + Irish + North_European + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.876884
4 Austrian + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.878570
5 German-Volga + Irish + Norwegian_East + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.889582
6 Dane + Irish + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.889745
7 German-Volga + Icelandic + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.890231
8 English + Irish + North_German + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.897394
9 German-Volga + Norwegian_East + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.897616
10 Dutch + Dutch + North_European + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.909196
11 Hungarian_Budapest + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.910814
12 Dane + English + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.913871
13 Dane + German-Volga + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.924639
14 Irish + Irish + North_German + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.924728
15 Dutch + Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.934662
16 CEU + Dutch + Dutch + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.962386
17 German-Volga + North_German + Orcadian + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.962988
18 Dutch + English + Icelandic + Irish @ 1.966628
19 Dutch + English + Irish + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 1.967780
20 Hungarian_Budapest + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR + Welsh @ 1.967848

Done.

[jtoml3]

Maybe German, but that kind of goes hand in hand with the British Isles.

[Petalpusher]

Just Brit + Uk imo (freaking high N.Atlantic) but it looks more American colonial for the low admix bits.

[Figaro]

Yes, looks extremely "Isles" to me...and as PetalPusher pointed out- deeum, dat North Atlantic is high!

[Gooding]

My compliments! You've definitely got the Celtic paradigm going on.

[Albannach]

How about me? any ancestry outside British isles? I always seem to have a fair bit of Oceanian, is this normal for a European?


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 54.02
2 Baltic 25.25
3 West_Med 9.71
4 West_Asian 8.06
5 Oceanian 1.26
6 Amerindian 0.59
7 Red_Sea 0.45
8 South_Asian 0.32
9 Siberian 0.31
10 Northeast_African 0.02

[Gooding]

Here's a mutt for you..

Admix Results (sorted):


# Population Percent
1 West_European 49.61
2 Mediterranean 27.02
3 East_European 14.58
4 West_Asian 6.75
5 South_Asian 1.21


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 CEU @ 5.718964
2 German @ 6.413199
3 N._European @ 7.600528
4 Argyll @ 7.653700
5 Orcadian @ 7.776720
6 Orkney @ 8.171578
7 French @ 12.663768
8 French @ 13.027877
9 Slovenian @ 13.407598
10 Mixed_Germanic @ 14.985452
11 Dutch @ 15.985805
12 Hungarians @ 17.470774
13 Kent @ 18.275934
14 British_Isles @ 20.118895
15 British @ 20.347883
16 Cornwall @ 21.084616
17 Swedish @ 21.521936
18 Norwegian @ 23.126490
19 Irish @ 23.398907
20 French_Basque @ 24.091248

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarians +50% Kent @ 3.164591


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% French +25% Mixed_Germanic +25% Polish @ 1.382747


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French + German + Hungarians + Orkney @ 1.167658
2 French + German + Hungarians + Orcadian @ 1.184730
3 French + German + Hungarians + Orcadian @ 1.315040
4 French + German + Hungarians + Orkney @ 1.321522
5 French + French + Mixed_Germanic + Polish @ 1.382747
6 French + German + Hungarians + Argyll @ 1.395325
7 Dutch + French + French + Mixed_Slav @ 1.397800
8 French + French + Mixed_Germanic + Polish @ 1.418770
9 Dutch + French + French + Polish @ 1.432998
10 Dutch + French + French + Mixed_Slav @ 1.435208
11 French + Hungarians + Argyll + Argyll @ 1.472697
12 CEU + French + German + Hungarians @ 1.503970
13 French + French + Kent + Mixed_Slav @ 1.509762
14 French + Hungarians + Orcadian + Argyll @ 1.509981
15 Cornwall + Mixed_Slav + Spaniards + Argyll @ 1.514307
16 Irish + Mixed_Slav + Spaniards + Argyll @ 1.523337
17 CEU + French + Hungarians + Argyll @ 1.525988
18 French + Hungarians + Orkney + Argyll @ 1.527730
19 Mixed_Germanic + Mixed_Germanic + Polish + Spaniards @ 1.536902
20 CEU + French + German + Hungarians @ 1.546423

Done.

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[Gooding]

How about me? any ancestry outside British isles? I always seem to have a fair bit of Oceanian, is this normal for a European?


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 54.02
2 Baltic 25.25
3 West_Med 9.71
4 West_Asian 8.06
5 Oceanian 1.26
6 Amerindian 0.59
7 Red_Sea 0.45
8 South_Asian 0.32
9 Siberian 0.31
10 Northeast_African 0.02

Good question, but I'd think you to be essentially British Isles, for whatever that's worth.

[Petalpusher]

How about me? any ancestry outside British isles? I always seem to have a fair bit of Oceanian, is this normal for a European?


# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 54.02
2 Baltic 25.25
3 West_Med 9.71
4 West_Asian 8.06
5 Oceanian 1.26
6 Amerindian 0.59
7 Red_Sea 0.45
8 South_Asian 0.32
9 Siberian 0.31
10 Northeast_African 0.02

The same, even more Northern, because you only have Scot + Irish. I ve already seen "high" Oceanian in the British Isles popping up randomly, im not sure exactly why. I bet you come up close to Norway as well.

[firemonkey]

My origins has me as British isles 61% Scandinavia 37% North Africa 1% . 23andMe in speculative mode has me as 100%
European

Northern European
65.0%
British & Irish
13.5%
French & German
4.3%
Scandinavian
16.5%
Broadly Northern European

Southern European
0.2%
Broadly Southern European
< 0.1%
Ashkenazi
0.5%
Broadly European

Geno 2 has me as North European 45 Mediterranean 36 SouthWest Asian 17 Native American 2 .

Certainly my known ancestry points exclusively to the Isles and now it seems from things said that Gedmatch confirms that. Re the North Atlantic being high- what are others from the isles scoring?

[Petalpusher]

FTDNA's AC is terrible as usual.

N.Atlantic (k13) :

W_Scottish......53,17
Irish................52,23
SW_English.......51,98
SE_English........50,52

Obv there are other components to consider.

[firemonkey]

Eurogenes K13

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 West_Scottish @ 2.163
2 Irish @ 2.896
3 Orcadian @ 3.352
4 Southwest_English @ 4.357
5 North_Dutch @ 4.712
6 Southeast_English @ 5.199
7 Danish @ 5.734
8 Norwegian @ 6.032
9 North_German @ 8.457
10 Swedish @ 9.524
204 iterations.


Eurogenes K15:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 2.428
2 West_Scottish @ 2.845
3 Southeast_English @ 4.020
4 Danish @ 4.435
5 Southwest_English @ 5.324
6 Orcadian @ 6.630
7 Dutch @ 7.123
8 German @ 9.307
9 Norwegian @ 10.101
10 Swedish @ 11.510
165 iterations.


Dodecad v3:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 2.199
2 CEU @ 2.222
3 Orkney @ 2.396
4 Argyll @ 2.596
5 N._European @ 3.857
6 German @ 6.406
7 Mixed_Germanic @ 9.669
8 Dutch @ 10.377
9 French @ 12.510
10 Kent @ 12.560
227 iterations.


Dodecad K12B:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Dutch @ 1.281
2 Mixed_Germanic @ 2.714
3 CEU30 @ 3.207
4 English @ 3.465
5 Kent @ 3.778
6 British_Isles @ 4.491
7 Argyll @ 5.723
8 Orkney @ 5.863
9 Orcadian @ 6.192
10 British @ 6.235
223 iterations.


MDLP K23B

1 North_European @ 2.812720
2 English @ 2.835389
3 Irish @ 3.018712
4 Frisian @ 4.155223
5 Dutch @ 4.214088
6 Belgian @ 4.398152
7 CEU @ 4.427139
8 Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 4.848122
9 British @ 5.419805
10 English_Kent_GBR @ 5.542854
11 Norwegian_East @ 5.581871
12 Icelandic @ 5.596888
13 Welsh @ 5.704315
14 English_Cornwall_GBR @ 5.844666
15 Orcadian @ 6.009390
16 South_German @ 6.159321
17 Norwegian_West @ 6.234389
18 German-Volga @ 7.264113
19 Dane @ 7.484832
20 North_German @ 7.775517

[Neon Knight]

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[Graham]

You are pretty much of the Isles. Probably have a fair share of Irish, Scots ancestry too.

[Graham]

The same, even more Northern, because you only have Scot + Irish. I ve already seen "high" Oceanian in the British Isles popping up randomly, im not sure exactly why. I bet you come up close to Norway as well.

Think it could be noise or noise related to WHG..

Loschbour K13 Eurogenes

North_Atlantic 47.54%
Baltic 51.09%
West_Med -
West_Asian -
East_Med -
Red_Sea -
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 1.37%

My score K13
Population
North_Atlantic 54.84%
Baltic 23.71%
West_Med 10.83%
West_Asian 4.57%
East_Med 3.57%
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.21%
East_Asian 0.35%
Siberian 0.10%
Amerindian 0.17%
Oceanian 1.29%
Northeast_African 0.31%
Sub-Saharan 0.05%

[Graham]

Just Brit + Uk imo (freaking high N.Atlantic) but it looks more American colonial for the low admix bits.

You want to see high N Atlantic. My dads, you are only going to find higher in ancient samples.

Population
North_Atlantic 56.18%
Baltic 20.79%
West_Med 10.80%
West_Asian 2.84%
East_Med 6.87%
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.94%
East_Asian 0.45%
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.71%
Northeast_African 0.06%
Sub-Saharan 0.36%

[Petalpusher]

You want to see high N Atlantic. My dads, you are only going to find higher in ancient samples.

Population
North_Atlantic 56.18%
Baltic 20.79%
West_Med 10.80%
West_Asian 2.84%
East_Med 6.87%
Red_Sea -
South_Asian 0.94%
East_Asian 0.45%
Siberian -
Amerindian -
Oceanian 0.71%
Northeast_African 0.06%
Sub-Saharan 0.36%

Alright it's at Hinxton3 level ... , interestingly he has lower Baltic average, i have almost the same.

About that, i was browsing through ancient samples on that felix blog you probably know, do you have an idea who has the highest N.Atlantic in all of them ? Is there even more ancient N.Atlantic monsters than Hinxton 3&4?

[Graham]

Alright it's at Hinxton3 level ... , interestingly he has lower Baltic average, i have almost the same.

About that, i was browsing through ancient samples on that felix blog you probably know, do you have an idea who has the highest N.Atlantic in all of them ? Is there even more ancient N.Atlantic monsters than Hinxton 3&4?

The problem with the likes is that they are lower quality samples that might slant in certain ways.

Looked at a few contenders. It does look just North in general. North Sea-Atlantic would have been a better term.


Danish Late Neolithic
North_Atlantic 54.54%
Baltic 22.98%
West_Med 13.79%
West_Asian 8.24%

Corded Ware Estonia
North_Atlantic 54.58%
Baltic 36.96%
West_Med 4.04%
West_Asian 4.41%

Sweden Iron Age
North_Atlantic 55.26%
Baltic 35.18%
West_Med 5.10%
West_Asian 3.55%

Sweden Late Neolithic 2025-1885 BC
North_Atlantic 57.76%
Baltic 27.42%
West_Med 13.91%