Eurogenes Hunter- Gatherer vs Farmer Admixture Proportions

[Gooding]

Okay. I got a little off track with a calculator that has nothing to do with us, but which might help Indians and Western Asians. I hope they find their results satisfactory. 60209 These are my results from an older engine that apparently serves the anthropological purpose I thought the Gedrosian did. So, what are your scores? :) This might make for a productive and relevant discussion. Also, here's another link to the results from Eurogenes ANE K7 Admixture.60210 Shall we discuss?

[Gooding]

Before bed bump. G'night!

[Gooding]

Bump it up thrice before I take my daughter home to WV.

[Journeyman26]

Hunter Gatherer vs. Farmer
Anatolian Farmer 26.41%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 24.82%
Middle Eastern Herder 11.80%
East Asian Farmer 0.29%
Mediterranean Farmer 36.68%

K7
ANE 10.26%
ASE 0.84%
WHG-UHG 39.93%
West_African 0.45%
ENF 48.51%

Woooo, early neolithic farmer pride! Maybe thats why I gravitated to working in Agriculture. I been farmin since before farms were farms

[Lawalye]

Hunter gatherer vs farmer:
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 48.34%
Mediterranean Farmer 34.45%
Anatolian Farmer 13.54%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.92%
Middle Eastern Herder 1.59%
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.16%
East Asian Farmer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

ANE K7:
ANE 14.85%
ASE 2.32%
WHG-UHG 57.25%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.42%
East_African -
ENF 25.16%

[Petalpusher]

Some descriptions from Eurogenes blog :
http://bga101.blogspot.fr/2014/09/eurogenes-ane-k7.html

The ANE component is not modeled on the Mal'ta boy or MA-1 genome, the main ANE proxy in scientific literature, because this sample didn't offer enough high quality markers for the job. So instead, I used the non-East Asian portions of several Karitiana genomes from the HGDP.

Ancestral South Eurasian (ASE): this is a really basal cluster that peaks in tribal groups of Southeast Asia. It's probably very similar in some ways to the Ancestral South Indian (ASI) component described by Reich et al. a few years ago.

Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer (WHG-UHG): this essentially looks like a West Eurasian forager component, and includes the forager-like stuff carried by Neolithic farmers (Oetzi the Iceman has 40% of it).

Early Neolithic Farmer (ENF): I'd say that this is the component of the earliest Neolithic farmers from the Fertile Crescent.



ANE 12.53%
ASE 0.75%
WHG-UHG 60.91%
East_Eurasian 0.82%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 24.99%


There's two big threads about this calculators with plenty of members results :

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?138956-Eurogenes-ANE-K7-post-your-results/page14
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?166096-Eurogenes-ANE-K7-post-your-results!!/page4

K8 is better but not out yet on Gedmatch, it's still a good one for now.

[Gooding]

Some descriptions from Eurogenes blog :
http://bga101.blogspot.fr/2014/09/eurogenes-ane-k7.html

The ANE component is not modeled on the Mal'ta boy or MA-1 genome, the main ANE proxy in scientific literature, because this sample didn't offer enough high quality markers for the job. So instead, I used the non-East Asian portions of several Karitiana genomes from the HGDP.

Ancestral South Eurasian (ASE): this is a really basal cluster that peaks in tribal groups of Southeast Asia. It's probably very similar in some ways to the Ancestral South Indian (ASI) component described by Reich et al. a few years ago.

Western European/Unknown Hunter-Gatherer (WHG-UHG): this essentially looks like a West Eurasian forager component, and includes the forager-like stuff carried by Neolithic farmers (Oetzi the Iceman has 40% of it).

Early Neolithic Farmer (ENF): I'd say that this is the component of the earliest Neolithic farmers from the Fertile Crescent.



ANE 12.53%
ASE 0.75%
WHG-UHG 60.91%
East_Eurasian 0.82%
West_African -
East_African -
ENF 24.99%


There's two big threads about this calculators with plenty of members results :

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?138956-Eurogenes-ANE-K7-post-your-results/page14
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?166096-Eurogenes-ANE-K7-post-your-results!!/page4

K8 is better but not out yet on Gedmatch, it's still a good one for now.

I'm personally looking forward to K8 coming out, but for now, it seems like Gedmatch has some halfway decent calculators of its own.

[Eleonore]

(Hey!) I don't remember this one so i will post it quickly :

ANE 15.54%
ASE 0.89%
WHG-UHG 63.13%
East_Eurasian 0.73%
West_African 0.24%
East_African 0.42%
ENF 19.05%

If anything looks weird, you tell me :D

[Gooding]

(Hey!) I don't remember this one so i will post it quickly :

ANE 15.54%
ASE 0.89%
WHG-UHG 63.13%
East_Eurasian 0.73%
West_African 0.24%
East_African 0.42%
ENF 19.05%

If anything looks weird, you tell me :D
As a people, we really are more closely related than I thought. :thumb001: The highest scores are usually the Western European/ Unknown Hunter gatherers, followed by Early Neolithic Farmer, followed by Ancestral North Eurasian.

[Petalpusher]

(Hey!) I don't remember this one so i will post it quickly :

ANE 15.54%
ASE 0.89%
WHG-UHG 63.13%
East_Eurasian 0.73%
West_African 0.24%
East_African 0.42%
ENF 19.05%

If anything looks weird, you tell me :D

Pal, you are betweeen us non Normands peasants and the fellow Brit around here. Nothing weird, you can still go ride in peace.

[Gooding]

Ride with pride!

[poiuytrewq0987]

<tbody>
Anatolian Farmer
18.86%


Baltic Hunter Gatherer
42.16%


Middle Eastern Herder
8.32%


East Asian Farmer
1.00%


South American Hunter Gatherer
0.69%


South Asian Hunter Gatherer
-


North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer
0.96%


East African Pastoralist
-


Oceanian Hunter Gatherer
-


Mediterranean Farmer
28.00%


Pygmy Hunter Gatherer
-


Bantu Farmer
-



</tbody>



<tbody>
ANE
14.09%


ASE
0.65%


WHG-UHG
51.04%


East_Eurasian
1.83%


West_African
-


East_African
0.81%


ENF
31.59%

</tbody>

[Gooding]

http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2014/0917/Where-do-Europeans-come-from-DNA-hints-at-new-branch-on-family-tree Here are some studies that might shed some light on our populations. http://linearpopulationmodel.blogspot.com/2014/01/mesolithic-western-european-hunter.html

[Gooding]

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2014/09/18/world/science-health-world/modern-europeans-are-found-to-be-descended-from-three-groups-one-of-them-linked-to-american-indians/#.VdP_aBFREdV

[firemonkey]

Hunter gatherer v farmer

FTDNA

Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.82%
Mediterranean Farmer 31.57%
Anatolian Farmer 7.55%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.31%
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.07%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.44%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.24%


23andMe


Eurogenes hunter gatherer

Anatolian Farmer 7.76%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 58.06%
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.02%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.82%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.32%
East African Pastoralist 0.11%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 31.33%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.60%
Bantu Farmer -


ANE K7

FTDNA

ANE 15.28%
ASE 2.63%
WHG-UHG 65.21%
East_Eurasian 0.55%
West_African 0.06%
East_African 1.22%
ENF 15.05%

23andMe

ANE 15.06%
ASE 2.37%
WHG-UHG 65.42%
East_Eurasian 0.75%
West_African 0.15%
East_African 1.29%
ENF 14.96%

[Gooding]

Hunter gatherer v farmer

FTDNA

Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.82%
Mediterranean Farmer 31.57%
Anatolian Farmer 7.55%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.31%
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.07%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.44%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.24%


23andMe


Eurogenes hunter gatherer

Anatolian Farmer 7.76%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 58.06%
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.02%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.82%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.32%
East African Pastoralist 0.11%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 31.33%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.60%
Bantu Farmer -


ANE K7

FTDNA

ANE 15.28%
ASE 2.63%
WHG-UHG 65.21%
East_Eurasian 0.55%
West_African 0.06%
East_African 1.22%
ENF 15.05%

23andMe

ANE 15.06%
ASE 2.37%
WHG-UHG 65.42%
East_Eurasian 0.75%
West_African 0.15%
East_African 1.29%
ENF 14.96%

Excellent! There seem to be commonalities in readings with people of Northern European/ British origin and descent. The Western European/ Unknown Hunter Gatherers seem to have the largest quantum reading by far, followed by Early Neolithic farmer, followed by Ancient North Eurasian.

[Albannach]

Anatolian Farmer 8.35%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 59.12%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.18%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.90%
Mediterranean Farmer 30.43%

ANE 17.36%
ASE 2.29%
WHG-UHG 65.46%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.51%
ENF 14.38%

[Not a Cop]

Hunter gatherer vs farmer:
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 48.34%
Mediterranean Farmer 34.45%
Anatolian Farmer 13.54%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.92%
Middle Eastern Herder 1.59%
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.16%
East Asian Farmer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

ANE K7:
ANE 14.85%
ASE 2.32%
WHG-UHG 57.25%
East_Eurasian -
West_African 0.42%
East_African -
ENF 25.16%

Do you have any ancestry besides Flemish and Waloon? You look a bit southern shifted.

[Figaro]

Dad
----
ANE- 15.71%
ASE- 1.70%
WHG-UHG- 62.49%
East Eurasian- 1.04%
East African- 1.44%
ENF- 17.63%

Mom
-----
ANE- 16.25%
ASE- 1.99%
WHG-UHG- 62.82%
East Eurasian- 1.31%
West African- 0.47%
East African- 0.72%
ENF- 16.43%

Anything seem interesting?

[Figaro]

Whoops...forgot the hunter gatherer vs farmer test...

Dad
-----
Anatolian Farmer- 7.22%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer- 58.99%
Middle Eastern Herder- 2.39%
South American Hunter Gatherer- 1.29%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer- 0.86%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer- 0.27%
East African Pastoralist- 0.94%
Med Farmer- 28.03%

Mom
-----
Anatolian Farmer- 8.92%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer- 60.60%
Middle Eastern Herder- 2.11%
South American Hunter Gatherer- 0.30%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer- 2.41%
NE Hunter Gatherer- 1.16%
E. African Pastoralist- 0.27%
Med Farmer- 24.22%

[Not a Cop]

Dad
----
ANE- 15.71%
ASE- 1.70%
WHG-UHG- 62.49%
East Eurasian- 1.04%
East African- 1.44%
ENF- 17.63%

Mom
-----
ANE- 16.25%
ASE- 1.99%
WHG-UHG- 62.82%
East Eurasian- 1.31%
West African- 0.47%
East African- 0.72%
ENF- 16.43%

Anything seem interesting?

Their results look similar to what most of white murricans get. Nortern-Central euros basicly.

[Petalpusher]

Do you have any ancestry besides Flemish and Waloon? You look a bit southern shifted.

His K7 surprised me a bit too. My understanding of the calculator is it takes some of what we refer as west med and consider it in the western HG, the "forager stuff" described on eurogenes, so if you have a bit more east med, the ENF is gonna inflate more proportionally. We end up having the same ENF while i have way more west med and he has a bit more east med. That doesn't change the fact he plots higher, probably closer to Eleonor, in the calculators i ve seen, than me or even Tchek i think. The ANE stays on track, but it's the first time i see this supposed effect at this level.

[Lawalye]

Do you have any ancestry besides Flemish and Waloon? You look a bit southern shifted.

No except some german and dutch ancestors.

[Grace O'Malley]

Mine

Population
Anatolian Farmer 9.53%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 58.74%
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.16%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.78%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 29.79%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

K7

Population
ANE 16.92%
ASE 1.02%
WHG-UHG 63.89%
East_Eurasian 1.17%
West_African -
East_African 0.20%
ENF 16.82%

My mothers

Population
Anatolian Farmer 10.37%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 56.96%
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.04%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.08%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 30.55%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

K7

Population
ANE 17.17%
ASE 1.75%
WHG-UHG 62.95%
East_Eurasian 0.61%
West_African -
East_African 0.45%
ENF 17.07%

As far as I'm aware I don't think Davidski is putting the K8 on Gedmatch.

[Petalpusher]

As far as I'm aware I don't think Davidski is putting the K8 on Gedmatch.

One can hope, i was not much on when he was offerring people to send their genome and get K8 so i missed it. I can imagine it more or less, but i like to think it will end up on Gedmatch someday (at least a DIY version)

[Neon Knight]

Eurogenes K7

WHG-UHG 64.18%
ENF 17.20%
ANE 16.06%
ASE 1.47%
East Eurasian 0.47%
West African 0.45%
East African 0.17%


What is ASE? Which represents the Yamnaya?

[Era]

Population
ANE 9.66%
ASE 0.40%
WHG-UHG 39.12%
East_Eurasian 1.33%
West_African 0.22%
East_African 1.13%
ENF 48.14%

[Gooding]

Eurogenes K7

WHG-UHG 64.18%
ENF 17.20%
ANE 16.06%
ASE 1.47%
East Eurasian 0.47%
West African 0.45%
East African 0.17%


What is ASE? Which represents the Yamnaya?

ASE: Ancestral South Eurasian. Ancient North Eurasian represents the Yamnaya. http://eurogenes.blogspot.com/2015/03/first-look-at-bell-beaker-corded-ware.html

[Petalpusher]

Eurogenes K7

WHG-UHG 64.18%
ENF 17.20%
ANE 16.06%
ASE 1.47%
East Eurasian 0.47%
West African 0.45%
East African 0.17%


What is ASE? Which represents the Yamnaya?

It's linked with the ANE, basically the north and south component of this population. I suppose that's the paradox we often see as we go North with slightly higher south asian (it's south-EAST to be precise and similar to ASI, Ancient south Indian)

Some calculators try to discriminate ANE with Yamnaya, it is still a bit blurry i think.

[Neon Knight]

So it looks like a lot of the post Ice Age hunter gatherers went on to survive and remained dominant in much of Europe.

[Gooding]

So it looks like a lot of the post Ice Age hunter gatherers went on to survive and remained dominant in much of Europe.

Indeed they did! It seems that these Hunter gatherers came to genetically dominate much of Northern Europe while the Early Neolithic farmers came to dominate much of Southern Europe, although percentages of both groups can be found in both populations, as we see.

[Petalpusher]

So it looks like a lot of the post Ice Age hunter gatherers went on to survive and remained dominant in much of Europe.

Longbo made great maps out of K8, the numbers are different because he removed the UHG but the ratio overall should be the same with K7

WHG
http://i61.tinypic.com/4zvlh3.png




Near Eastern (Neolithic)
http://i60.tinypic.com/2zfqxpt.png





ANE
http://i57.tinypic.com/23w2vr8.png

[Figaro]

Their results look similar to what most of white murricans get. Nortern-Central euros basicly.

They do look like that pretty well according to this. On K13 and most other eurogenes though it's easier to see the more severe (relative to my father) eastern-shift my mother has.

[Neon Knight]

Indeed they did! It seems that these Hunter gatherers came to genetically dominate much of Northern Europe while the Early Neolithic farmers came to dominate much of Southern Europe, although percentages of both groups can be found in both populations, as we see.

So the theory that ancient Turkish types swept in and massacred most of the H-Gs is not correct? That never felt right to me.

I like the theory that switching to farming from hunting produces lighter skin and that must have happened to the HGs as they changed lifestyles. Mixing with the immigrant farmers would have made some difference to skin tone but the northerly climate, I think, would have made most difference.

[Gooding]

So the theory that ancient Turkish types swept in and massacred most of the H-Gs is not correct? That never felt right to me.

I like the theory that switching to farming from hunting produces lighter skin and that must have happened to the HGs as they changed lifestyles. Mixing with the immigrant farmers would have made some difference to skin tone but the northerly climate, I think, would have made most difference.

I'd never heard of that theory, honestly. :) American knowledge of European history and historical theorems seems to be a half century behind what they actually teach in Europe itself.

[Neon Knight]

I'd never heard of that theory, honestly. :) American knowledge of European history and historical theorems seems to be a half century behind what they actually teach in Europe itself.

Regarding the 'massacre' I was going off what some had said in this forum - something like certain Y-DNA groups only appearing in Europe at the same time as farming.

[Era]

Does anybody have scores for southern german or austrian for this test?

[Petalpusher]

Does anybody have scores for southern german or austrian for this test?

South Germans score about the same than us Frenchie around here, one Bavarian (there s another one, i couldn't find) :

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?166096-Eurogenes-ANE-K7-post-your-results!!&p=3509337&viewfull=1#post3509337

Austrians are a bit more Northern/HG than south Germans (yes)

[de Burgh II]

Eurogenes Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer

Anatolian Farmer 9.27%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 51.76%
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.14%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.65%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.08%
Mediterranean Farmer 36.97%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.10%
Bantu Farmer -

K7

ANE 15.39%
ASE 1.85%
WHG-UHG 62.47%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.77%
ENF 19.52%

[Petalpusher]

Eurogenes Hunter Gatherer vs Farmer

Anatolian Farmer 9.27%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 51.76%
Middle Eastern Herder -
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.14%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.65%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.08%
Mediterranean Farmer 36.97%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.10%
Bantu Farmer -

K7

ANE 15.39%
ASE 1.85%
WHG-UHG 62.47%
East_Eurasian -
West_African -
East_African 0.77%
ENF 19.52%

Close to Eleonor, she s more NorthEast, you are more NorthWest. In the grand scheme of things in Europe you two are closer than it looks in calculators. Big shortcut : WHG+ANE = HG ancestry & ENF/Near eastern = Farmer ancestry.

In K8 it would look a lot closer in ratio than it is with K7 though, but a lot in this thread would end up having more core HG ancestors, even so slightly.

[Gooding]

Bump!

[Era]

South Germans score about the same than us Frenchie around here, one Bavarian (there s another one, i couldn't find) :

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?166096-Eurogenes-ANE-K7-post-your-results!!&p=3509337&viewfull=1#post3509337

Austrians are a bit more Northern/HG than south Germans (yes)

This is a bit strange to me, Albanians ( me included) are close to Austrians in Northern European map but not that much to Germans.

[Lawalye]

This is a bit strange to me, Albanians ( me included) are close to Austrians in Northern European map but not that much to Germans.

These maps are about the closer shared ancestors.

[Era]

These maps are about the closer shared ancestors.

Ok but Austrians are more southern than Germans on 23andme, how come their whg is higher

[Lawalye]

Ok but Austrians are more southern than Germans on 23andme, how come their whg is higher

A single or a couple of austrian(s) are not necessary reprensentative of his country's results.
Averages from every country and of stemming from participants' largest number would be needed to figure out.

[Era]

A single or a couple of austrian(s) are not necessary reprensentative of his country's results.
Averages from every country and of stemming from participants' largest number would be needed to figure out.

No it's not individual, it's the square the 23andme suggests where various nationalities are (only some major ones)

[Grace O'Malley]

Longbo made great maps out of K8, the numbers are different because he removed the UHG but the ratio overall should be the same with K7

WHG
http://i61.tinypic.com/4zvlh3.png




Near Eastern (Neolithic)
http://i60.tinypic.com/2zfqxpt.png





ANE
http://i57.tinypic.com/23w2vr8.png

His maps are good but as I've said previously the ANE in Ireland should be all blue. He just extended the line from England. The Irish have higher ANE than England.

[Grace O'Malley]

One can hope, i was not much on when he was offerring people to send their genome and get K8 so i missed it. I can imagine it more or less, but i like to think it will end up on Gedmatch someday (at least a DIY version)

I had the K8 done for myself and my mother and I remember him saying there was some problems with the accuracy on Gedmatch. I'll have a look and see if I can find a quote.

[Rugevit]

Some populations used in admixture K8 run have outliers ie individuals who fall out of their respective populations. These outliers will skew the average values for the populations. Instead I used median values which are resistant to the outliers. Here is a large resolution PCA plot based on median values from ANE K8 run for selected populations : http://postimg.org/image/4gf94suap/full/

[Petalpusher]

No it's not individual, it's the square the 23andme suggests where various nationalities are (only some major ones)

Nationalities that you can't score on 23 are extended and represent the largest diversity of a country, outliers (you can't score "Austrian" or "Orcadian" on 23). Ethnic Austrians are all at the very top left corner, i happen to also share with one on 23, the guy is 40% French&German, he is on my left between what would be south and central Germans. The sample that you are close to at the other extremity of the Austrian cluster would be like a Sud Tyrol guy mixed with Italian, and this is still relative, im at the same distance to an Orcadian... so it's quite a distance. This pca is not inaccurate but kinda useless and the Southern part is not an extension of the Northern in another window, it's a different pca. They really need to work on it i think.


His maps are good but as I've said previously the ANE in Ireland should be all blue. He just extended the line from England. The Irish have higher ANE than England.

It would need more resolution, Longbow just intended to give a broad idea of Europe. We would need more regional samples too, im sure there s vast differences in France as well, we just see an average. Spain and Italy have a lot, there is a greater necessity to understand everything around Basques and Sardinians to extend our comprehension of Euro genetics since they are basically ancient genomes living among us today.

[Era]

Nationalities that you can't score on 23 are extended and represent the largest diversity of a country, outliers (you can't score "Austrian" or "Orcadian" on 23). Ethnic Austrians are all on the top left corner, i happen to also share with one on 23, the guy is 40% French&German, he is on my left between what would be south and central Germans. The sample that you are close to at the other extremity of the Austrian cluster would be like a Sud Tyrol guy mixed with Italian, and this is still relative, im at the same distance to an Orcadian... so it's quite a distance. This pca is not inaccurate but kinda useless and the Southern part is not an extension of the Northern in another window, it's a different pca. They really need to work on it i think.

.

I am not talking about individuals, you know 23andme, the squares that form when you point to an ethnicity( like germans austrians italian polish etc). I dont share with any austrians by the way but with a German.

[Petalpusher]

I am not talking about individuals, you know 23andme, the squares that form when you point to an ethnicity( like germans austrians italian polish etc). I dont share with any austrians by the way but with a German.

I know what you meant, this square takes everything, if it was encompassing only the core ethnic Austrians, it would be very tiny and the few dots you can see in it on the top left. It was probably done for Swiss as well who can be mixed with Italian and im gonna say it again, but anything in Northern Europe + Italian is a jump off a cliff genetically to Southern Europe, so they have to have a very extended cluster like this.

[Era]

I know what you meant, this square takes everything, if it was encompassing only the core ethnic Austrians, it would be very tiny and the few dots you can see in it on the top left. It was probably done for Swiss as well who can be mixed with Italian and im gonna say it again, but anything in Northern Europe + Italian is a jump off a cliff genetically to Southern Europe, so they have to have a very extended cluster like this.

Actually the austrian square is the closest one compare to the german russian polish. But it figures given the smaller population

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Population

Anatolian Farmer 11.63%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.95%
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.35%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.31%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.14%
Mediterranean Farmer 29.47%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.15%

ANE K7

Population

ANE 17.05%
ASE 1.18%
WHG-UHG 63.10%
East_Eurasian 0.24%
West_African 0.86%
East_African 0.06%
ENF 17.52%

Thoughts?

[Petalpusher]

The Eastern is a different pca, they all are and not related to each others. The Austrian i have is on my right on the main one Euro, and left on the N.Euro pca.

Input your datas on simargl incoming pca and you will see where you are for real :

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1UU4BDHW5EHahnb5NPUWRS9MvKtaY7zLmEwAamNpmfwg/edit#gid=0

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

According to ANE K7 test I am not much more Neolithic Farmer than I am ANE.

[Ardell]

Eurogenes Hunter- Gatherer vs Farmer Admixture Proportions
Population
Anatolian Farmer 15.14%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 44.91%
Middle Eastern Herder 6.09%
East Asian Farmer 0.82%
East African Pastoralist 0.09%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.37%
Mediterranean Farmer 32.58%







K7
Population
ANE 14.07%
%ASE 1.88%
WHG-UHG 53.78%
East_Eurasian 0.52%
West_African 0.10%
East_African 0.58%
ENF 29.07%

[Gooding]

Population

Anatolian Farmer 11.63%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 57.95%
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.35%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.31%
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.14%
Mediterranean Farmer 29.47%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.15%

ANE K7

Population

ANE 17.05%
ASE 1.18%
WHG-UHG 63.10%
East_Eurasian 0.24%
West_African 0.86%
East_African 0.06%
ENF 17.52%

Thoughts?

You read in a similar vein to the rest of us North of the Aps types.

[de Burgh II]

You read in a similar vein to the rest of us North of the Aps types.

I bet that added Unknown Hunter Gatherer (UHG) component is what spikes it up rather than the WHG component alone.

[sonofthedutch]

Baltic Hunter Gatherer 52.98%
Mediterranean Farmer 36.74%
Anatolian Farmer 8.86%

vs
ANE 15.05%
ASE 1.62%
WHG-UHG 63.27%
ENF 18.58%

[Sikeliot]

Here is my Madeiran cousin.

http://i59.tinypic.com/28so6lv.jpg

[Petalpusher]

I bet that added Unknown Hunter Gatherer (UHG) component is what spikes it up rather than the WHG component alone.

I would say it's more the contrary. McCool has certainly less affinity with "Oetzi the Iceman" who was a neolithic dude living around the Alps than other more regular indigenous HG population. But there was also something very HG in that guy that is not totally understood yet, that's why it's labeled Unknown Hunter Gatherer.

[wvwvw]

My father's:

http://i61.tinypic.com/237f43.jpg

[gültekin]

Anatolian Farmer 37.13%
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 14.79%
Middle Eastern Herder 11.39%
East Asian Farmer 5.91%
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.01%
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 4.63%
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 4.62%
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.92%
Mediterranean Farmer 19.52%
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.10%
Bantu Farmer -

[Kelmendasi]

Population
Anatolian Farmer 20.37
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 29.97
Middle Eastern Herder 11.10
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist -
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 38.55
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

[Kriptc06]

--76.3%
Mediterranean Farmer 30.39
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 27.12
Anatolian Farmer 8.99
Middle Eastern Herder 8.91
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.77
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.12
--11.24%
Bantu Farmer 9.63
East African Pastoralist 0.68
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer 0.93
--12.42%
South American Hunter Gatherer 12.42

[Coastal Elite]

Population
Anatolian Farmer 14.84
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 47.20
Middle Eastern Herder 1.31
East Asian Farmer 0.28
South American Hunter Gatherer 1.22
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.22
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer-
East African Pastoralist-
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer-
Mediterranean Farmer 33.92
PygmyHunterGatherer-
Bantu Farmer -

[Kyp]

Anatolian Farmer 28.55 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 30.85 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 8.79 Pct
East Asian Farmer 0.73 Pct
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.53 Pct
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 5.41 Pct
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 2.17 Pct
East African Pastoralist 0.30 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 22.66 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

Father
Anatolian Farmer 48.90 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 10.60 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 10.48 Pct
East Asian Farmer 3.88 Pct
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 10.91 Pct
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 2.70 Pct
East African Pastoralist 1.01 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 11.52 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

Mother
Anatolian Farmer 10.37 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 54.05 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 1.33 Pct
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.84 Pct
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist 0.27 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 32.80 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer 0.34 Pc

[Pedro Ruben]

Population
Anatolian Farmer 7.11 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 35.55 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 8.15 Pct
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer 0.36 Pct
South Asian Hunter Gatherer -
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 0.56 Pct
East African Pastoralist 4.57 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 42.25 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer 1.43 Pct

[SUPREEEEEME]

Population
Anatolian Farmer 25.92 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 19.31 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 19.32 Pct
East Asian Farmer 0.63 Pct
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 1.65 Pct
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer 1.34 Pct
East African Pastoralist 1.76 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer -
Mediterranean Farmer 30.08 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -

[Helen]

Population
Anatolian Farmer 9.07 Pct
Baltic Hunter Gatherer 33.63 Pct
Middle Eastern Herder 8.38 Pct
East Asian Farmer -
South American Hunter Gatherer -
South Asian Hunter Gatherer 0.64 Pct
North Eurasian Hunter Gatherer -
East African Pastoralist 2.25 Pct
Oceanian Hunter Gatherer 0.49 Pct
Mediterranean Farmer 45.55 Pct
Pygmy Hunter Gatherer -
Bantu Farmer -