Man Murdered in Albania for Speaking Greek

[Turkophagos]

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Tension prevails in Himara after the assassination of Aristotelis Goumas, 37, member of the Greek minority in Albania. The incident happened Thursday night in the village Campi in Castro of Himara in South Albania. The incident started when three Albanians asked Goumas to stop speaking Greek in his shop. The dispute led to beating of the Greek, who managed to escape and complain to his friends.

Later at night the three Albanians detected the Greek again on a land road and caused an accident in which Goumas lost his life. The police has arrested six people. According to North Epirus News Agency nenanews.eu the suspects are aged 19-25 years old. Greek MEGA TV reported that the Albanians told the police, that the Greek was blocking the road with his motorcycle and that they hit him and had their car crash on the motorcycle because he spoke to them in Greek.

Greek Foreign Ministry spokesman, Grigoris Delavekouras, condemned the death of Aristotelis Goumas saying that “Unacceptable criminal acts like that aim to arouse ethnic tension with unpredictable consequences and undermine the bilateral relations between Greece and Albania. It must be condemned by the entire Albanian society and its political representatives”

[Turkophagos]

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[Methmatician]

Oh, the Balkans :rolleyes:

[Adrian]

1. Aristotel Guma was not Greek
2. Aristotel Guma was one of the the manipulated Albanians, whose Greek government offered money to declared himself as a Greek,
3. It was traffic accident

Now that Greece is facing with economic crisis, Greek government is obliged to stop all pensions that they had given to Albanian citizens in order to create an artificial minority in the Albania.

As for the accident:


Himara accident virtually reconstructed



Independent technical experts have digitally reconstructed frame after frame the car crash that killed Aristotel Guma in Himara, a tragic event that caused ethnic controversial declarations from the Greek state and Greek minorities in Albania.

According to independent experts, 35 year old Aristotel Guma, or Aristides Guma, died as result of a car accident.

The mechanics that shows what really happened in the car accident of August 10th 2010 is submitted at the Vlora Prosecutor office, as additional evidence for the trial of eight Vlora young men.

According to the thorough investigations on the scene and on both crashing vehicles, specialists state that the “Audi A3” driven by the accused Ilir Muka was traveling faster than legal speed limits, in the direction from Himara to Himara Village.

The car and the motorcycle have driven almost in parallel for some meters before the crash. Both vehicles have entered the turn in parallel position. In this turn, for unknown reasons, the motorcycle driver, Aristotel Guma, has maneuvered towards the inside of the road, entering the Audi road space in about 60 centimeters.

The turning motorcycle has firstly contacted the right Audi bumper, and afterwards, the right side of the car has pushed the motorcycle front mudguard.
The motorcycle has fallen on the right, according to the experts, because of the energy given by the car push. The direction of the motorcycle fall differs because of friction forces on the road.

According to the experts, Ilir Muka’s vehicle has had no real possibilities during these few seconds to detect the movement of the motorcycle, which means that there has been no time to react either, by breaking to avoid the accident.

Source (http://top-channel.tv/english/artikull.php?id=164)

[poiuytrewq0987]

1. Aristotel Guma was not Greek
2. Aristotel Guma was one of the the manipulated Albanians, whose Greek government offered money to declared himself as a Greek,
3. It was traffic accident

Now that Greece is facing with economic crisis, Greek government is obliged to stop all pensions that they had given to Albanian citizens in order to create an artificial minority in the Albania.

As for the accident:



Source (http://top-channel.tv/english/artikull.php?id=164)

Why does it matter if he was born Albanian? He felt Greek and was murdered for it. Despicable. :(

[Adrian]

Why does it matter if he was born Albanian? He felt Greek and was murdered for it. Despicable. :(

Investigations show that the murder did not happen for that reason. If the murder took place for that reason, I feel sorry for the victim.

Unlike in other Balkan countries, inter-ethnic problems in Albania are almost inexistent.

[Drawing-slim]

This is all due to greeks playing dirty as always.

[Anusiya]

Investigations show that the murder did not happen for that reason. If the murder took place for that reason, I feel sorry for the victim.

Unlike in other Balkan countries, inter-ethnic problems in Albania are almost inexistent.


Inter-ethnic, misunderstanding or merely an accident, our countries know very well how to pump the people's sentiment through the media. :mad:

[Adrian]

Inter-ethnic, misunderstanding or merely an accident, our countries know very well how to pump the people's sentiment through the media. :mad:

I agree substantially.

May seem unbelievable for someone, but the medias in Albania are not infected by ultra-nationalism, like in ex-YU countries. At this point can be compared with European countries, outside the Balkans.
Whereas the medias in Kosovo differ from those of Albania. Here are more similar to the other Balkan countries, especially with the countries of the former YU. You know..wars, hatreds, incidents, borders, enclaves, inter-ethnic problems etc...are more present than in Albania. In fact, Albania had no war since the WW2, with the exception of a few brief armed conflicts with Greece in '50s, if I am not wrong about the date.

[Anusiya]

I agree substantially.

May seem unbelievable for someone, but the medias in Albania are not infected by ultra-nationalism, like in ex-YU countries. At this point can be compared with European countries, outside the Balkans.
Whereas the medias in Kosovo differ from those of Albania. Here are more similar to the other Balkan countries, especially with the countries of the former YU. You know..wars, hatreds, incidents, borders, enclaves, inter-ethnic problems etc...are more present than in Albania. In fact, Albania had no war since the WW2, with the exception of a few brief armed conflicts with Greece in '50s, if I am not wrong about the date.

Nothing even close to an armed conflict has taken place ever since the end of the war, however the countries had been in a war-state condition until 1984, ever since Italy declared war on Greece.

[Adrian]

Nothing even close to an armed conflict has taken place ever since the end of the war, however the countries had been in a war-state condition until 1984, ever since Italy declared war on Greece.

Are you saying that it can not be considered as an 'armed conflict', or you are insisting that nothing happened there during mentioned time?

[Anusiya]

Are you saying that it can not be considered as an 'armed conflict', or you are insisting that nothing happened there during mentioned time?

No, I mean that nothing happened.

[Linet]

This is all due to greeks playing dirty as always.

Yes...You see what they do :grumpy: ? He went and got killed :flynch: to make the poor Albanians who killed him look bad...:tsk:

[Adrian]

No, I mean that nothing happened.

You are wrong. There were sporadic conflicts between Greek and Albanian army.

Sporadic conflicts have been occurred from 2 august 1949 - 24 may 1950. I will write more about these conflicts later.

[Anusiya]

You are wrong. There were sporadic conflicts between Greek and Albanian army.

Sporadic conflicts have been occurred from 2 august 1949 - 24 may 1950. I will write more about these conflicts later.

Yes, you are talking about the well known civil war post-activities across the borders. Sure, but not something specifically during the 50's.

[Queen B]

Why does it matter if he was born Albanian? He felt Greek and was murdered for it. Despicable. :(
He was Greek.

[Adrian]

Yes, you are talking about the well known civil war post-activities across the borders. Sure, but not something specifically during the 50's.

I am talking about sporadic conflicts in Albanian/Greece border line, during 1949-1950. So, we can not say nothing has happened.


He was Greek.

Maybe according to your standards of being Greek.

[Queen B]

Maybe according to your standards of being Greek.
Maybe, according to your standards of being Albanian. :bored:

[Adrian]

Maybe, according to your standards of being Albanian. :bored:

Albanians are not known for the systematic assimilation of other peoples or for the creation of artificial minorities through payments. :bored:

[Queen B]

Albanians are not known for the systematic assimilation of other peoples or for the creation of artificial minorities through payments. :bored:
What makes him an Albanian, you said?

[Adrian]

What makes him an Albanian, you said?

Remove suffix 's' from his surname and you will understand. Same as with Pirros D(h)imas.

[kabeiros]

Remove suffix 's' from his surname and you will understand. Same as with Pirros D(h)imas. So you are saying that he is not Greek because his name has a meaning in Albanian? Not a very strong argument my friend...
Have you heard of Luigi Pirandello (he is a Southern Italian writer who has won the Noble Prize). While I was reading one of his books, at the first pages he made a comment about his name which has Greek origin (it derives from the Greek name Pyraggelos) and Luigi felt very proud about his old Greek ancestry. Nevertheless he also said that he is not Greek now, he is a full blooded Italian with a distant Greek ancestry. Are we allowed to claim that Luigi is Greek because of his Greek-derived name? I don't think so....

[Adrian]

So you are saying that he is not Greek because his name has a meaning in Albanian? Not a very strong argument my friend

Surname is only one reason. How many Greeks with surname Guma do you know?


Have you heard of Luigi Pirandello (he is a Southern Italian writer who has won the Noble Prize). While I was reading one of his books, at the first pages he made a comment about his name which has Greek origin (it derives from the Greek name Pyraggelos) and Luigi felt very proud about his old Greek ancestry. Nevertheless he also said that he is not Greek now, he is a full blooded Italian with a distant Greek ancestry. Are we allowed to claim that Luigi is Greek because of his Greek-derived name? I don't think so....

No, because Luigi didn't change his nationality due to any pressure or in exchange with money.

[Drawing-slim]

Yes...You see what they do :grumpy: ? He went and got killed :flynch: to make the poor Albanians who killed him look bad...:tsk:Exactly. He was an albanian traitor getting paid by greek goverment. Greek goverment puts pressure on him to make hard core propoganda against albanians inside albania or else greeks would cut off his income from greek payroll.
And this is what happens.
Greeks are known to play dirty and albanians are known to be tolerant.
Look what greece does with the mayer of himara, pressures that scumbag to make anti-albanian statements every other week in tirana.
I hop he will get his ass kicked reall good as well, well deserved for that scum.

[Anusiya]

I am talking about sporadic conflicts in Albanian/Greece border line, during 1949-1950. So, we can not say nothing has happened.

:blink: Tell me something. Are your people predispositioned to fights and arguments? My good man, 50's doesn't mean 1949-1950 (often :D).

[Turkophagos]

Surname is only one reason. How many Greeks with surname Guma do you know?



Giannis Goumas:


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Vasilis Goumas:

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And a few hundred others..

[Linet]

Yes...actually Goumas is a common name :chin:

[Arbërori]

Whatever he was, regarded as, whatever... It was an accident, so this is pretty much irrelevant.