Prognathism

[mvbeleg]

Agrippa made an informative thread about prognathism on Stirpes just a little over five years.

Full thread:
http://forum.stirpes.net/physical-anthropology/2638-racial-prognathy-protruding-facial-profile.html

Text only thread:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:XlRkMG4JS1QJ:forum.stirpes.net/physical-anthropology/2638-racial-prognathy-protruding-facial-profile.html+stirpes+and+prognathism&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1"]http://webcache.googleusercontent.com /search?q=cache:XlRkMG4JS1QJ:forum.stirpes.net/physical-anthropology/2638-racial-prognathy-protruding-facial-profile.html+stirpes+and+prognathism&hl=en&gl=us&strip=1




Recently, prognathism has been mentioned in the Beautiful European Women thread.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=252962&postcount=3102



Alveolar Prognathism . . . was more common among Reihengraeber Germanics than it is now. Today it is most common among Osteuropids if ignoring simple teeth malformations which are omnipresent and common in leptomorphs in particular.


Turn of the century British anatomist F. G. Parsons noted that some Anglo-Saxon skulls have a slight tendency towards slight alveolar prognathy [but no full facial prognathy]. See the document below.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1249194/pdf/janat00554-0167.pdf

Unfortunately, Parsons does not give more details about the origins of the skulls [e.g., the time period they come from].


http://lh4.ggpht.com/_rcVLPkmG1SM/TGi4AegSc2I/AAAAAAAAAL0/15ttMMAgsLY/AngloSaxonAverage.jpg

The image which is meant to be an average of forty-eight male Anglo-Saxon skulls seems to show facial orthognathism. The alveolar process on the maxilla perhaps may be slightly flared outward [an indication of alveolar prognathism]. However, the teeth look normal enough to me. Can anyone point out teeth anomalies that are an indicator of alveolar prognathism here?


http://www.knowledgerush.com/wiki_image/7/71/Gray157.png

Diagram showing alveolar process

[Psychonaut]

Slight alveolar prognathism combined with very full lips is something that I've consistently noticed in Dutch Americans.

[mvbeleg]

In addition to the question I asked earlier, I meant to ask this question:

Does anyone know what Parsons is referring to by 'facial metagnathism'?

[Agrippa]

In addition to the question I asked earlier, I meant to ask this question:

Does anyone know what Parsons is referring to by 'facial metagnathism'?

I just know Mesognathy which is, to put it simple, an angle between Prognathy and Orthognathy...

In which context did he use the term?

[mvbeleg]

I just know Mesognathy which is, to put it simple, an angle between Prognathy and Orthognathy...

In which context did he use the term?


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1249194/pdf/janat00554-0167.pdf

If you follow the link above, note that Parsons mentions that the Finglesham skull [from Figure 1] has marked 'facial metagnathism', and he states that the skulls from Figure 2 [i.e., the Strood, Cane Hill, and Mitcham skulls] have 'facial metagnathism' as well.

From what I gather, his method of measurement for facial prognathism involves dropping a line perpendicular to the Frankfort Plane from the Nasion and then 'eyeing' the amount of facial overhang.

Maybe his 'facial metagnathism' involves a small bit of facial overhang [with respect to the perpendicular plane] which would correspond to what you have referred to as Mesognathy?

However, it appears that the Finglesham skull falls in the Facial Orthognathic range.

So maybe his 'facial metagnathism' is referring to the pathological Maxillary Prognathism which I believe those mentioned skulls exhibit?