North African phenotypes

[Mobby]

How "white" and "European" they look....


http://s30.postimg.org/qg696knj5/160346006_af5de6ff_d7da_4d38_b839_7953aea05d12.jpg

http://s13.postimg.org/f5wi9fz47/termini.jpg

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http://s16.postimg.org/hukqbpvol/4a27de24_2ae9_11df_9b6c_ca2551fe0ea7.jpg

http://s21.postimg.org/hk0157vef/anis_ayari.jpg

http://s21.postimg.org/ye58aszav/Anis_Boussaidi.jpg

http://s21.postimg.org/gljo2xi2f/chippo_youssef_1998.jpg

http://s21.postimg.org/gcva4hk1j/TAHAR_EL_KHALEJ_jpg.jpg

http://static.tuttogratis.it/628X0/attualita/tuttogratis/it/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Marocco.jpg

http://ansamed.ansa.it/webimages/foto_large/2013/8/5/be7496d527ec01e5e09654069e9383da_9250.jpg

http://s10.postimg.org/5i6y5jfux/Tangier_July_2012_Monmouthpedia_Plaque.jpg

http://arabpress.eu/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/8e92b62918d348f31a1953adf8cb0997_944726.jpg

http://static.euronews.com/articles/219452/606x341_219452.jpg?1364807532

[Aodhan]

Interesting.. I think Europeans can settle in North Africa but North Africans aren't Europeans or ''white''.

North African Phenotypes like Berid/Berberid are Eurpeans that settled in North Africa...

Someone correct me if I'm talking nonsense.

[SupaThug]

Interesting.. I think Europeans can settle in North Africa but North Africans aren't Europeans or ''white''.

North African Phenotypes like Berid/Berberid are Eurpeans that settled in North Africa...

Someone correct me if I'm talking nonsense.

Berid is not a North African phenotype,it is like a mix between Paleo-Atlantid and Berberid.

[Zanzibar]

Some look like they can easily pass in Brazil. I saw some triracials who look like them when I was travelling in Brazil for vacation.

[spanish catalan]

90% white and 10% african

[Zanzibar]

90% white and 10% african

can they easily pass in Northeast Brazil according to your opinion?

[spanish catalan]

can they easily pass in Brazil according to your opinion?

some yes, others no

[Zanzibar]

some yes, others no

which one can?

[Blake]

which one can?

Some as mixed, some much better as others latin americans.

[SupaThug]

can they easily pass in Northeast Brazil according to your opinion?

Why only in the Northeast?They pass in any part of te country!

[spanish catalan]

which one can?

the man in picture number five

[Blake]

Why only in the Northeast?They pass in any part of te country!

No. Some no.

[SupaThug]

No. Some no.

The majority of them can!

[Tobi]

The pure north africans (without SSA admix) look "white", not euros, but regular caucasians. The average look alike tha brazilians pardos.

[Blake]

The majority of them can!

The majority is other thing, some no. Pass* better in others Latin America countries.

*Pass as mixed of course.

[Tobi]

Why only in the Northeast?They pass in any part of te country!

They don't pass here, we are a blue eyed people and our hair is more lighter than the sun. Deal with it.

[SupaThug]

They don't pass here, we are a blue eyed people and our hair is more lighter than the sun. Deal with it.

:(

[Aodhan]

Berid is not a North African phenotype,it is like a mix between Paleo-Atlantid and Berberid.

Can be easily found in North Africa, Paleo-Atlantids regards Northwestern paleolithic features, related with Dalo-Faelids and even Brünns.
They are generally neither found in Portugal or Italy, but rather in places like West Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Norway, Germany, and even France, while Berids are generaly found in south parts of Iberia, North Africa and Sardinia along with Berberid phenotype..

[SupaThug]

Can be easily found in North Africa, Paleo-Atlantids regards Northwestern paleolithic features, related with Dalo-Faelids and even Brünns.
They are generally neither found in Portugal or Italy, but rather in places like West Scotland, Wales, Ireland, Norway, Germany, and even France, while Berids are generaly found in south parts of Iberia, North Africa and Sardinia along with Berberid phenotype..

Berid is found mainly in Western parts of Iberia,not in only southern parts,I guess it is more common in Galicia than in Murcia.Also,Berberid is not native to Iberia and Sardinia.

[Mobby]

Some Nordid North Africans.

http://s8.postimg.org/gf10pgn8l/01_12_BOUAOUNI_Yazid1_262x300.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/qqddi4exx/image.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/eeah4mr39/12570_2_TUNISINI_ARRESTATI.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/eeah4mr39/12570_2_TUNISINI_ARRESTATI.jpg

http://s8.postimg.org/wor6scxwl/173442_561280_MAROCCHINO_10201214_medium.jpg

http://s30.postimg.org/6aextd9sx/4216335237_f523311612_o.jpg

http://s30.postimg.org/62vwalo81/4253320914_2.jpg

http://s3.postimg.org/g4bw3yjyr/image.jpg

[wvwvw]

These are Africans. On the other hand I have once confused a Berber for a Greek and he wasn't dark at all. Northern Africa isn't a European population like the Portuguese is and it would be stupid to compare the two. On the other hand we can compare Portuguese with Italians and Greeks as well as the West Asians of Caucasus. I can accept that we might have more exotic individuals than you but the average Greek is not darker than the average Portuguese.There is no point in comparing North Africans to us because they aren't European populations, however you find many individuals among them who are no darker than us. Zidane the Berber for example and many other Berbers and Levantines.

[wvwvw]

I don't think Zidane is darker than the average Portuguese

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Admin/BkFill/Default_image_group/2011/1/22/1295734205633/Zinedine-Zidane-007.jpg

He may not be representative of North Africans, but some Berber tribes in Algeria actually have the same pigmentation as him. Genetically you might be whiter than Zidane but phenotypically you're not.

[Mobby]

I don't think Zidane is darker than the average Portuguese

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Admin/BkFill/Default_image_group/2011/1/22/1295734205633/Zinedine-Zidane-007.jpg

He may not be representative of North Africans, but some Berber tribes in Algeria actually have the same pigmentation as him. Genetically you might be whiter than Zidane but phenotypically you're not.

Why not Greeks also?

Zidane does not represent even the 5% of North Africans...

[Ardell]

I think Zidane is white. Europe is a political zone, there is always going to be white people that exist outside of it.

[Aodhan]

Berid is found mainly in Western parts of Iberia,not in only southern parts,I guess it is more common in Galicia than in Murcia.Also,Berberid is not native to Iberia and Sardinia.

I'm not posting pics because i'ts too much offtopic but northern parts Iberia is more common phenotypes like Atlantid/Atlanto-med.
Places like Murcia, Andalucia were conquered by Moors while Galicia, and Asturias were conquered by Suebians and Vandals.
I never said they can be only found in Southern parts of Iberia.

[SupaThug]

I'm not posting pics because i'ts too much offtopic but northern parts Iberia is more common phenotypes like Atlantid/Atlanto-med.
Places like Murcia, Andalucia were conquered by Moors while Galicia, and Asturias were conquered by Suebians and Vandals.
I never said they can be only found in Southern parts of Iberia.

Iberians are a pretty homogeneous popualation and contrary to what people think,West-East population are much more significant than North-South differences,moors were expelled from Andalusia.Spanish member gold_fenix is half andalusian and don't score any MENA on 23andMe,he also plots as North as a fully aragonese.Galicians are much closer to andalusians than you think.

[Aodhan]

Iberians are a pretty homogeneous popualation and contrary to what people think,West-East population are much more significant than North-South differences,moors were expelled from Andalusia.Spanish member gold_fenix is half andalusian and don't score any MENA on 23andMe,he also plots as North as a fully aragonese.Galicians are much closer to andalusians than you think.

You talk too much and say too little.

[SupaThug]

You talk too much and say too little.

You were talking about moors in Andalusia and Suebians and Vandals in Galicia,as if it meant much to today's ethnic composition of those places.

[Zanzibar]

the man in picture number five

what about pictures of 1,7,8 and some people in picture 11 can they also pass as pardos in Brazil?

[Sikeliot]

I can accept that we might have more exotic individuals than you but the average Greek is not darker than the average Portuguese.

Portuguese are actually slightly darker than Greeks.

[Blake]

Portuguese are actually slightly darker than Greeks.

Based in this map not only Portugal but Spain too.

https://unsafeharbour.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/map-europepigmentationgenes.jpg

Well. Atenas is in dark part of Greece too, can be the same really.

[Sikeliot]

Based in this map not only Portugal but Spain too.

Southern Italy is also homogeneously darker than Greece and Spain. But Portugal is on par.

[Damião de Góis]

Based in this map not only Portugal but Spain too.

https://unsafeharbour.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/map-europepigmentationgenes.jpg

Well. Atenas is in dark part of Greece too, can be the same really.

That map doesn't give you anything relevant, it's only 3 SNPs. I score the same as germans according to those 3 SNPs.

As for Zidane being lighter than the average portuguese, i must have different perceptions than the rest of you, but ok...

http://www.dn.pt/storage/DN/2013/big/ng2651147.JPG?type=big&pos=0

http://www.dmtinc.cl/imagenes/4d91a.jpg

[Antimage]

Generally(I would say around ~95% of the time) North africans look very different from southern euros.

[Peter Nirsch]

90% white and 10% african


what do you mean?

In North Africa don't exist white people or the few living there are people whose ancestors were Europeans kidnapped by arabs along mediterranean coasts centuries ago.

I've visited most Northern African countries and the totality of people I've met there were brown and someone even black, most of them looked very similar to people from the south of the Arab peninsula, and nobody would have passed as European.

[Peter Nirsch]

Based in this map not only Portugal but Spain too.

https://unsafeharbour.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/map-europepigmentationgenes.jpg

Well. Atenas is in dark part of Greece too, can be the same really.



That map is poop, nowhere in Europe people have the same skin complexion of North Africans.

[Aodhan]

You were talking about moors in Andalusia and Suebians and Vandals in Galicia,as if it meant much to today's ethnic composition of those places.

It affects the same way that affect Latin Americans with Native ancestry.
Anyway it was just a thought about the conversation, I was talking about North and South and you quoted the Eastern Part.

[Tobi]

Berid is found mainly in Western parts of Iberia,not in only southern parts,I guess it is more common in Galicia than in Murcia.Also,Berberid is not native to Iberia and Sardinia.

Nothing against my berid friends, but this is the phenotype more "exotic" in southern Europe.

[Damião de Góis]

Nothing against my berid friends, but this is the phenotype more "exotic" in southern Europe.

The most exotic phenotype in southern europe is obviously armenoid and the likes. But i guess this depends on the region, for some people perhaps armenoid is pretty normal.

[Tobi]

The most exotic phenotype in southern europe is obviously armenoid and the likes. But i guess this depends on the region, for some people perhaps armenoid is pretty normal.

But armenoid isn't an european phenotype. Berid is.

[Sikeliot]

The most exotic phenotype in southern europe is obviously armenoid and the likes. But i guess this depends on the region, for some people perhaps armenoid is pretty normal.

Armenoid is not exotic, it just looks like Dinarid types and is part of the same spectrum. Then again I might have Armenoid influence myself so of course to me it looks typical.

[Damião de Góis]

Armenoid is not exotic, it just looks like Dinarid types and is part of the same spectrum. Then again I might have Armenoid influence myself so of course to me it looks typical.

Different people have different opinions.

[SupaThug]

It affects the same way that affect Latin Americans with Native ancestry.
Anyway it was just a thought about the conversation, I was talking about North and South and you quoted the Eastern Part.

No it doesn't,for one simple reason,moors were expelled from Andalusia and their genetic legacy in the Iberian peninsula is minimal.Also,Andalusia was repopulated with people from northern parts of Iberia.

[Tooting Carmen]

Most look part-Black. Moreover, the more Caucasoid-looking ones generally fit rather better in the Northern regions of South Asia than anywhere in Europe.

[DarknessWin]

I say 70% white 30% SSA
but the SSA is showing very much