Hitler a Jew?

[Birka]

Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show
Adolf Hitler is likely to have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown.


By Heidi Blake
Published: 6:25AM BST 24 Aug 2010
Adolf Hitler may have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown


Saliva samples taken from 39 relatives of the Nazi leader show he may have had biological links to the “subhuman” races that he tried to exterminate during the Holocaust.

Jean-Paul Mulders, a Belgian journalist, and Marc Vermeeren, a historian, tracked down the Fuhrer’s relatives, including an Austrian farmer who was his cousin, earlier this year.

A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in their samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.

"One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised," Mr Mulders wrote in the Belgian magazine, Knack.

Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population.

Knack, which published the findings, says the DNA was tested under stringent laboratory conditions.

"This is a surprising result," said Ronny Decorte, a genetic specialist at the Catholic University of Leuven.

"The affair is fascinating if one compares it with the conception of the world of the Nazis, in which race and blood was central.

“Hitler's concern over his descent was not unjustified. He was apparently not "pure" or ‘Ayran’.”

It is not the first time that historians have suggested Hitler had Jewish ancestry.

His father, Alois, is thought to have been the illegitimate offspring of a maid called Maria Schickelgruber and a 19-year-old Jewish man called Frankenberger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html

[Pallantides]

Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show
Adolf Hitler is likely to have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown.


It doesn't really show that though ....just that he belonged to Y-DNA Haplogroup E1b1b1, it don't prove that he is less European.

[Tomasz]

Hitler 'had Jewish and African roots', DNA tests show
Adolf Hitler is likely to have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown.


By Heidi Blake
Published: 6:25AM BST 24 Aug 2010
Adolf Hitler may have had Jewish and African roots, DNA tests have shown


Saliva samples taken from 39 relatives of the Nazi leader show he may have had biological links to the “subhuman” races that he tried to exterminate during the Holocaust.

Jean-Paul Mulders, a Belgian journalist, and Marc Vermeeren, a historian, tracked down the Fuhrer’s relatives, including an Austrian farmer who was his cousin, earlier this year.

A chromosome called Haplogroup E1b1b1 which showed up in their samples is rare in Western Europe and is most commonly found in the Berbers of Morocco, Algeria and Tunisia, as well as among Ashkenazi and Sephardic Jews.

"One can from this postulate that Hitler was related to people whom he despised," Mr Mulders wrote in the Belgian magazine, Knack.

Haplogroup E1b1b1, which accounts for approximately 18 to 20 per cent of Ashkenazi and 8.6 per cent to 30 per cent of Sephardic Y-chromosomes, appears to be one of the major founding lineages of the Jewish population.

Knack, which published the findings, says the DNA was tested under stringent laboratory conditions.

"This is a surprising result," said Ronny Decorte, a genetic specialist at the Catholic University of Leuven.

"The affair is fascinating if one compares it with the conception of the world of the Nazis, in which race and blood was central.

“Hitler's concern over his descent was not unjustified. He was apparently not "pure" or ‘Ayran’.”

It is not the first time that historians have suggested Hitler had Jewish ancestry.

His father, Alois, is thought to have been the illegitimate offspring of a maid called Maria Schickelgruber and a 19-year-old Jewish man called Frankenberger.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/world-war-2/7961211/Hitler-had-Jewish-and-African-roots-DNA-tests-show.html

There was already thread on that matter.

[safinator]

Actually his Y-DNA is E-V13
Around 10% in Austria and very rare outside of Europe.

[Corvus]

Not again this old invented story to dicredit our Führer :picard1:
This is trash

[Austo]

That is a total crap invented by jews that wanted to make him look like a fool.

He was a normal austrian man with no jewish, or african anchestry.
Get over it.

[Slycooper]

He was a piece of shit.

[Austo]

He was a piece of shit.
stupid comments are not appreciated :coffee:

[Slycooper]

stupid comments are not appreciated :coffee:

Not a stupid comment.

[Polski]

For years and years people have made up the lie Hitler was part Jewish, there is no evidence for this and it has never been confirmed.

Ian Kershaw dismisses the myth, Frank claimed that he had been called in by Hitler towards the end of 1930 and shown a letter from his nephew William Patrick Hitler (the son of his half-brother Alois, who had been briefly married to an Irish woman) threatening, in connection with the press stories circulating about Hitler's background, to expose the fact that Hitler had Jewish blood flowing in his veins. Allegedly commissioned by Hitler to look into his family history, Frank reportedly discovered that Maria Anna Schicklgruber had given birth to her child while serving as a cook in the home of a Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz. Not only that: Frankenberger senior had reputedly paid regular installments to support the child on behalf of his son, around nineteen years old at the birth, until the child's fourteenth birthday. Letters were allegedly exchanged for years between Maria Anna Schicklgruber and the Frankenbergers. According to Frank, Hitler declared that he knew, from what his father and grandmother had said, that his grandfather was not the Jew from Graz, but because his grandmother and her subsequent husband were so poor they had conned the Jew into believing he was the father and into paying for the boy's support.

Frank's story gained wide circulation in the 1950s. But it simply does not stand up. There was no Jewish family called Frankenberger in Graz during the 1830s. In fact, there were no Jews at all in the whole of Styria at the time, since Jews were not permitted in that part of Austria until the 1860s. A family named Frankenreiter did live there, but was not Jewish. There is no evidence that Maria Anna was ever in Graz, let alone was employed by the butcher Leopold Frankenreiter. No correspondence between Maria Anna and a family called Frankenberg or Frankenreiter has ever turned up. The son of Leopold Frankenreiter and alleged father of the baby (according to Frank's story and accepting that he had merely confused names) for whom Frankenreiter was seemingly prepared to pay child support for thirteen years was ten years old at the time of Alois's birth. The Frankenreiter family had moreover hit upon such hard times that payment of any support to Maria Anna Schicklgruber would have been inconceivable. Equally lacking in credibility is Frank's comment that Hitler had learnt from his grandmother that there was no truth in the Graz story: his grandmother had been dead for over forty years at the time of Hitler's birth. And whether in fact Hitler received a blackmail letter from his nephew in 1930 is also doubtful. If such was the case, then Patrick -- who repeatedly made a nuisance of himself by scrounging from his famous uncle -- was lucky to survive the next few years which he spent for the most part in Germany, and to be able to leave the country for good in December 1938. His `revelations', when they came in a Paris journal in August 1939, contained nothing about the Graz story. Nor did a number of different Gestapo inquiries into Hitler's family background in the 1930s and 1940s contain any reference to the alleged Graz background. Indeed they discovered no new skeletons in the cupboard. Hans Frank's memoirs, dictated at a time when he was waiting for the hangman and plainly undergoing a psychological crisis, are full of inaccuracies and have to be used with caution. With regard to the story of Hitler's alleged Jewish grandfather, they are valueless. Hitler's grandfather, whoever he was, was not a Jew from Graz.

The only serious contenders for the paternity of Hitler's father remain, therefore, Johann Georg Hiedler and Johann Nepomuk Hiedler (or Huttler). The official version always declared Johann Georg to be Adolf's grandfather.

The DNA results also stating he had E1b1b is also not conclusive evidence either, just because E1b1b1 (a subclade of E1b1b) is more common among Jewish and Africans it doesn't mean anything, E1b1b is 9% still found in Austria (there is more subclades in E1b1b than just E1b1b1 as well) - the tests were also from napkins and a grand nephew, not very credible nor was it scientifically verified.

What is even more funny that has to be noted is this so-called journalist who made this claim previously said that Hitler had no "Jewish blood" when trying to found out if Hitler had a French son: The conclusion that Jean-Paul Mulders comes to in these results contradicts what his DNA research showed when he tried to determine whether or not it was Hitler who was allegedly the German soldier who had a son to a French woman and the conclusion from the results was that "Adolf Hitler had no Jewish blood nor a French son."

[Loki]

Exactly. E-V13 is virtually nonexistent outside of Europe, and also rare among Jews. It is not a Jewish marker at all. Some Jews who have that likely have European ancestry along the line.

[Grenzland]

I heard he also was a satanist, Illuminati and probably a bear too.

[Loki]

Worst of all .. he was a Bavarian!! Poor guy ...

[Chieftain]

That is a total crap invented by jews that wanted to make him look like a fool.

He was a normal austrian man with no jewish, or african anchestry.
Get over it.

+1, das ist richtig.

[Methusalem]

He was surely gay and a necrophile.

[Smaug]

I don't think Jews want to claim such a monster.

[Grenzland]

Worst of all .. he was a Bavarian!! Poor guy ...

:no:

We were both BavARYANS...!

[Polski]

Worst of all .. he was a Bavarian!! Poor guy ...

Austrian. Of course, Austrians are Germans.

[Loki]

Austrian. Of course, Austrians are Germans.

Half of Austria is ethnically Bavarian.

[Methusalem]

:no:

We were both BavARYANS...!

Wrong. True Aryans are Indians, Pakistanis and Iranians. :coffee:

[mr. logan]

Phenotype shows no semitic.

[Methusalem]

Half of Austria is ethnically Bavarian.

They even speak the same dialect.

[ChocolateFace]

I don't think Hitler had Jewish ancestry

[Polski]

Half of Austria is ethnically Bavarian.

Bavaria is not an ethnicity, they are a type of Germans.

[Svipdag]

It's about time that this ridiculous old story was laid to rest. The DNA evidence is inconclusive and the genealogy has been shown to be a pack of lies.

[Loki]

It's about time that this ridiculous old story was laid to rest. The DNA evidence is inconclusive and the genealogy has been shown to be a pack of lies.

But even if his haplogroup is what they claim it to be, that would not be odd at all. It's found at roughly 10% in Austria.

[Polski]

I don't see understand why people try and make out it's a fact that Hitler was Jewish, the possibility of a Jewish paternal grandfather (since his father was born illegitimate and nobody was put on the birth certificate) was fully investigated by himself through the SS and they found no evidence of any Jewish ancestors, he also then ordered a genealogist called Rudolf Koppensteiner who published a book called Die Ahnentafel des Fuehrers ("The Pedigree of the Leader") and established Hitler's family were all Aryans. This "scientific evidence" was never actually even proven scientifically and was taken from some napkins and by journalists, it is just the typical anti-Hitler propaganda that is constantly thrown into the news every now and then. "Was Hitler Jewish?" "Was Hitler gay?" "Did Hitler have one ball?" "Hitler wanted everyone to be blonde hair and blue eyed" "Hitler was not German!" and the rest... they are all just urban legends.

He simply was an ethnic German (Volksdeutsche) born in then Austria-Hungary in a town that was on the Austro-German border and was historically Bavarian and later gained German citizenship, he had no Jewish ancestry.

The only thing Hitler's family DID have which is a fact is interbreeding, his paternal grandfather and maternal great-grandfather were brothers, his parents were first cousins once removed - but his mother Klara did call Alois "uncle".

According to historian Frank McDonough, the most plausible theory is that Johann Georg Hiedler was the real father of Alois. An explanation for Alois being sent to live on his uncle's farm as a child is that Hiedler and Maria were simply too poor to raise him, or could not raise him as well as his uncle, or perhaps Maria's health was in decline (she died when he was 10).

[mr. logan]

Maybe inbreeding could explain the big mistakes in the war. Because the other is agent.

[Gorštak]

Well he acted as one, that is sure.

[Smeagol]

No, Hitler wasn't a Jew. Many high ranking Nazis were mischling though.

[Anglojew]

Arnold Schwarzenegger's last name means "Black Nigger," many Austrians are descended from Slaves.

[Philo]

E1b1b1 might as well be Balkan ancestry on his part. Makes sense since Austro-Hungaria ruled the Balkans back than.

But even if his haplogroup is what they claim it to be, that would not be odd at all. It's found at roughly 10% in Austria.
Exactly, I am sick of those lies about Hitler. All it does is give ammo to semi-Nazis Shitsniaks, like this:

Well he acted as one, that is sure.

[Smeagol]

Arnold Schwarzenegger's last name means "Black Nigger," many Austrians are descended from Slaves.

http://images.wikia.com/community-sitcom/images/3/37/Black_Hitler.png

[Methusalem]

Arnold Schwarzenegger's last name means "Black Nigger," many Austrians are descended from Slaves.

:picard2::laugh:

[Philo]

http://images.wikia.com/community-sitcom/images/3/37/Black_Hitler.png

Austo?:confused:

[Polski]

No, Hitler wasn't a Jew. Many high ranking Nazis were mischling though.

There were half a dozen at the most.

Many of the top Nazi leaders though did suffer from unconfirmed rumours they had Jewish blood i.e Hitler & Heydrich but both were investigated and found no Jewish ancestors, period.

[Loki]

A Polish Nazi, interesting :)

[Polski]

A Polish Nazi, interesting :)

Why?

[Philo]

Why?

It's obvious why, don't play stupid please.

[Loki]

Why?

Nazis didn't like Polish people too much ... :coffee:

[Grenzland]

It's obvious why, don't play stupid please.

I think you all think to practical, NS is more a theory working for almost all nations.

[Philo]

I think you all think to practical, NS is more a theory working for almost all nations.

Right, let's seperate NS from any racial policy(LOL!) and from what actually happened in the past. :lol:

[Grenzland]

Right, let's seperate NS from any racial policy(LOL!) and from what actually happened in the past. :lol:

Just that.

Replace German with Polish and tada...

[Roy]

He wasn't Jewish.

[Philo]

Just that.

Replace German with Polish and tada...
Even if we did seperate from that, there's still German racial laws which were not very peaceful towards Poles. And it's hard to seperate the present from the past.

[Loki]

Even if we did seperate from that, there's still German racial laws which were not very peaceful towards Poles. And it's hard to seperate the present from the past.

To be fair, you get fascist Jews as well today.

[Austo]

Arnold Schwarzenegger's last name means "Black Nigger,"

maybe for retards who cant read.