Southern Italians and stereotypes

[San Galgano]

I have seen some people here thinking that southern Italians are a sort of a bunch of swarthies with turkish features, usually relying over many false stereotypes and some Hollywood movies. Then i decided to post some southern italian people, cause i think it is right to post the truth and that an european people should be respected since from those lands came out people like Julius Evola and Archimedes and plus they fight back black immigrants and gipsies better than many other european people who stopped to do it long time ago(if they ever did it..).


http://img64.exs.cx/img64/2913/campanianaples158qs.jpg
http://img63.exs.cx/img63/8514/campanianaples201gl.jpg
http://img35.exs.cx/img35/3824/Campania-Caserta02.jpg
http://img24.exs.cx/img24/5107/Campania-Avellino02.jpg
http://img378.imageshack.us/img378/7900/campaniacapuacaserta037jj.jpg
http://img203.exs.cx/img203/1692/pugliabari046qo.jpg
http://img107.exs.cx/img107/5674/Puglia-Lecce02.jpg
http://img72.exs.cx/img72/4944/basilicatapotenza042bq.jpg

[d3cimat3d]

I think separating north & south Italians into two separate racial groups is stupid because ever since the Romans connected all of Italy with paved roads, the gene flow between north and south Italy has been huge. & In modern times this sort of mixing is even more extreme than the Roman era because of more reliable forms of transportation. I bet there are thousands of couples in Italy where the husband is f.e. from Calabria and the wife is from Verona because now Italians are not restricted by staying in their village, they can travel and look for mates elsewhere. Italy in 100 years will be a perfect blend of all Italians, north & south.

[San Galgano]

I think separating north & south Italians into two separate racial groups is stupid because ever since the Romans connected all of Italy with paved roads, the gene flow between north and south Italy has been huge. & In modern times this sort of mixing is even more extreme than the Roman era because of more reliable forms of transportation. I bet there are thousands of couples in Italy where the husband is f.e. from Calabria and the wife is from Verona because now Italians are not restricted by staying in their village, they can travel and look for mates elsewhere. Italy in 100 years will be a perfect blend of all Italians, north & south.


There are still some differences between north and south italians as i wrote in another threads. Both cultural and phenotypical . My point though was to clear some false myths that S.Italians are all swarthy and arab looking. Southern Italians share many genes with greeks whereas north italians not.
But Greeks are a white people and western world owes a lot to them.

[Albion]

I've always seen southern Italians, Greeks and Maltese as European, I don't like it when people bitch about them.

[San Galgano]

Some other pics of sicilians and southern italians(mind that many of these girls have an excessive make up and tan):


http://www.miss-sicilia.com/immagini/MISS-SICILIA%20CALTAGIRONE/slides/MISS%20SICILIA%20CALTAGIRONE%20%289%29.JPG

http://www.iloveagrigento.it/wp-content/uploads/2008/09/ilaria-cusumano.jpg

http://images.movieplayer.it/2008/09/14/una-foto-di-miriam-leone-88254.jpg

http://www.stellaperunanotte.it/immagini2003/Finaliste%20nazionali.jpg

http://www.santacroceonline.com/2007/news/set/1_15/missitalia/foto6.jpg

http://www.lasvolta.net/immagini/person/missitalia06_046.jpg

[Gamera]

I think there is much variety. I found these in Google:

Sicilian boy:

http://www.investis.com/il/images/benetton/2650.jpg

Sicilian girl:

http://www.investis.com/il/images/benetton/2659.jpg

[San Galgano]

I think there is much variety. I found these in Google:

Sicilian boy:

http://www.investis.com/il/images/benetton/2650.jpg

Sicilian girl:

http://www.investis.com/il/images/benetton/2659.jpg

Yes there is much variety. Though i suspect that girl from Sicily that is the only place in Italy(if she is really sicilian and not a tunisian since there are many there) where you can find very few like her, whereas that phenotype is almost inexistant in other parts of S.Italy(and in Sicily as well). The majority of people is like the pics i previously posted, even if in Sicily the red hair are the most common after the dark ones.

Here another red haired sicilian:
http://images.movieplayer.it/2009/03/26/claudio-gioe-in-una-scena-della-serie-tv-squadra-antimafia-palermo-oggi-109756.jpg

[Ibericus]

southern Italians :

http://img234.exs.cx/img234/7307/campanianaples136ih.jpg


http://es.uefa.com/ml/images/players/under21/324x324/74968.jpg


http://www.sdamy.com/images/miss-italia-2006/103a.jpg


http://www.nazionaleitalianacuochi.com/nic/images/gallery/lucina%20campisi.jpg

[Sol Invictus]

Here's an Italian American stereotype

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/4127/slide_4127_57711_large.jpg

Who could forget the Guido pose

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/271727/951792.jpg

[San Galgano]

Here's an Italian American stereotype



Who could forget the Guido pose




Yes, those people are a plague for the image of Italians in Usa, especially of the good southern italians, since many italian americans there are of southern origins.
I prefer to think of southern Italian-americans like these :
John Basilone:
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/611/John_Basilone.jpg
Rocky Marciano:
http://img2.blogcu.com/images/o/z/g/ozgunhan/rocky_marciano_postcard.jpg

[San Galgano]

Some famous southern Italians in Usa(sometime i ask myself where the idea of extreme swarthy southern italians come from):

Joe di Maggio(sicilian):
http://www.gallerym.com/pixs/photogs/ea/selections/images/Joe%20Dimaggio%20by%20Alfred%20Eisensteadt.jpg

Stallone(sicilian)
http://images.easyart.com/i/prints/rw/lg/2/4/Celebrity-Image-Sylvester-Stallone-244106.jpg

Joe Pesci(sicilian)
http://www.glenmuir.com/cms_media/images/hollywood_star_to_tee_off_in_golf_apparel.jpg

[Gatillo]

Yes, those people are a plague for the image of Italians in Usa, especially of the good southern italians, since many italian americans there are of southern origins.
I prefer to think of southern Italian-americans like these :
John Basilone:
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/611/John_Basilone.jpg
Rocky Marciano:
http://img2.blogcu.com/images/o/z/g/ozgunhan/rocky_marciano_postcard.jpg

Jonh basilone in "The Pacific" is characterized by this Puerto Rican.

Jon seda.

http://www.buddytv.com/articles/close-to-home/images/jon-seda-3.jpg

http://content1.catalog.photos.msn.com/ds/pic-en-us/picenus_msnentertainment/WireImage.com/98AB9DDA-56D0-4ABC-B4BC-79FB80F270FA.jpg

Here the real John Basilone.

http://www.wokay.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/John-Basilone.jpg

Well , both are dark-hair but put a face South American .... Hollywod and his stereotypes.

[San Galgano]

Jonh basilone in "The Pacific" is characterized by this Puerto Rican.

Jon seda.





Here the real John Basilone.



Well , both are dark-hair but put a face South American .... Hollywod and his stereotypes.


Right Gatillo! If Clark Gable was still alive he could fit John basilone better than that south american guy.
Anyway I still wonder why don't they use real italian-americans instead of southern americans to make the italians role.
Maybe s.Americans are cheaper?

[Oinakos Growion]

Maybe s.Americans are cheaper?
And they're more at hand too.
But the same generalisations apply to Asians: they only seem to get Koreans for Asian roles, whether Chinese or Japanese or whatever.
So whoever is doing castings for Hollywood doesn't have a clue or think that some make up and lightning will work all the magic and that nobody will notice... Obviously not the case.

[San Galgano]

And they're more at hand too.
But the same generalisations apply to Asians: they only seem to get Koreans for Asian roles, whether Chinese or Japanese or whatever.
So whoever is doing castings for Hollywood doesn't have a clue or think that some make up and lightning will work all the magic and that nobody will notice... Obviously not the case.


The only ones they try to portray as they really are or even lighter are the jews.....
:mad:

[Gatillo]

The only ones they try to portray as they really are or even lighter are the jews.....
:mad:

hehe that's because there is so much Jewish money and many Jews in America's high society.

[San Galgano]

hehe that's because there is so much Jewish money and many Jews in America's high society.

Once Marlon Brando was almost banned from Hollywood cause he tryed to tell Jews own it.

[Falkata]

Right Gatillo! If Clark Gable was still alive he could fit John basilone better than that south american guy.
Anyway I still wonder why don't they use real italian-americans instead of southern americans to make the italians role.
Maybe s.Americans are cheaper?

You complain too much... Have you ever played Street Fighter?
Do you know Vega, the spaniard fighter? Well this is how a spaniard looks in Hollywood :eek:

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/861/861951/street-fighter-the-legend-of-chun-li-20080325051444940.jpg

[Gatillo]

You complain too much... Have you ever played Street Fighter?
Do you know Vega, the spaniard fighter? Well this how a spaniard looks in Hollywood :eek:

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/861/861951/street-fighter-the-legend-of-chun-li-20080325051444940.jpg


hahaha yes,I remember that stupid movie hahaha.

[San Galgano]

You complain too much... Have you ever played Street Fighter?
Do you know Vega, the spaniard fighter? Well this how a spaniard looks in Hollywood :eek:

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/861/861951/street-fighter-the-legend-of-chun-li-20080325051444940.jpg



LOL
That is even worse indeed.
I think Hollywood actors' scouts not only would have the need of an anthropology full immersion, but even a geographical full immersion.

How can they use a real indio to play a spanish role?
Not only they pretend spaniards like that but they are also blind since some time i have seen Vega with blonde hair.

[Gatillo]

Not only Indian, look at the detail of the neck scarf, that red thing, is like a "amerigypsy" or worse.

[San Galgano]

You complain too much... Have you ever played Street Fighter?
Do you know Vega, the spaniard fighter? Well this is how a spaniard looks in Hollywood :eek:

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/861/861951/street-fighter-the-legend-of-chun-li-20080325051444940.jpg


Anyway Falkata, we Italians have had our part of the "Incompetence and bad faithed" cake of Hollywood too....
Did you know Jennyfer Lopez was italian?
http://www.mymovies.it/extra/filmclub/2001/03/008/locandina.jpg

What about Vin Diesel?
He's the typical italian-american of the WWII basing on Hollywood:
http://cinema-tv.corriere.it/multimedia/cinema/2009/5620/ryan.jpg

[San Galgano]

Not only Indian, look at the detail of the neck scarf, that red thing, is like a "amerigypsy" or worse.

LOL
They tried to mix a mexican, a gipsy and an indio to represent Vega who is a spaniard.
Unbelievable.:icon_no:

[manu]

this thread requires the presence of Loyalist: he was the arbiter of the definition of exotic.

[San Galgano]

this thread requires the presence of Loyalist: he was the arbiter of the definition of exotic.

LOL
I have seen some posts of that retard...
For him exotic was everything called Italians, even if that "thing" was blue eyed and taller than 1.90cm.

He was like that kind of people ready to marry a slanted eyed mongol cause he got blue eyes and blonde hair .:D

http://pastmist.files.wordpress.com/2009/04/blond-mongol-girl.jpg

[Gamera]

Hollywood also uses Italian-Americans to play as Jews, I've noticed. For example, I remember Jason Biggs (Biggs is the anglicized version of his ancestor's original surname btw). He played as a Jewish guy in American Pie.

http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheAMFZB24GYMLNZ3M=/imgJason%20Biggs3.jpg


Biggs is Italian American and Roman Catholic; he has mentioned in interviews that he is often cast as an explicitly or implicitly Jewish character, as he was in American Pie (other examples include his roles in Saving Silverman and Anything Else), though he is not Jewish himself.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Biggs

[San Galgano]

Hollywood also uses Italian-Americans to play as Jews, I've noticed. For example, I remember Jason Biggs (Biggs is the anglicized version of his ancestor's original surname btw). He played as a Jewish guy in American Pie.

http://top-people.starmedia.com/tmp/swotti/cacheAMFZB24GYMLNZ3M=/imgJason%20Biggs3.jpg



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Biggs

Yes indeed, even though to me Jason Biggs has nothing jew or at least he has nothing jew more than many other dark haired actors with non-jewish heritage.
http://www.cortes-de-cabello.com/famosos/jason-biggs.jpg

Following the Hollywood way of reasoning even Matt Dillon should be jew:

http://immagini.tipiace.it/gallery/matt-dillon/medium_matt-dillon-1.jpg

[Guapo]

What's teh big deal, swarthies? Women prefer tall(are southern Italians tall?), dark and handsome men except for Romanqueen but she's an exception. She wishes she was nordic. /Swarty Power!!!2

[Rhobot]

Yes indeed, even though to me Jason Biggs has nothing jew or at least he has nothing jew more than many other dark haired actors with non-jewish heritage.
http://www.cortes-de-cabello.com/famosos/jason-biggs.jpg

Following the Hollywood way of reasoning even Matt Dillon should be jew:

http://immagini.tipiace.it/gallery/matt-dillon/medium_matt-dillon-1.jpg

I guess the difference is facial features. Dark-haired Italians tend to overlap more with (stereo)typical Jews in facial features than dark-haired Irish do.

[Guapo]

I guess the difference is facial features. Dark-haired Italians tend to overlap more with (stereo)typical Jews in facial features than dark-haired Irish do.

Must be the Roman nose.

http://www.onlineseats.com/upload/concerts/3202_con_ray_romano_2.jpg

[Pallantides]

I think Jason Biggs does look a bit Jewish, Matt Dillon don't though.

[Tomasz]

Also, Dinarids tend to be mistaken with "stereotypical Jews". They have Roman, downturned noses, black hair, brown eyes, et cetera. It's probably Jews are often Armenoid-influenced and both Dinarids and Armenids are effect of taurization.

But Italian - especially South Italian - people might also be suitable for playing Jews since they're dark, in some cases have Roman noses, etc. But it doesn't change the fact that they have nothing to do with Jews and that they're White.

[San Galgano]

What's teh big deal, swarthies? Women prefer tall(are southern Italians tall?), dark and handsome men except for Romanqueen but she's an exception. She wishes she was nordic. /Swarty Power!!!2

I think women would not prefer a blonde blue eyed man like this..:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/content/images/2007/08/31/martyfeldman_2_396x222.jpg
If they could choose among him and this swarthy southern italian:

http://images.movieplayer.it/2008/07/10/raoul-bova-82126.jpg

:D

[San Galgano]

I guess the difference is facial features. Dark-haired Italians tend to overlap more with (stereo)typical Jews in facial features than dark-haired Irish do.


I don't know cause it's not always like that. Gabriel Byrne to make an example could easily pass as jew.
http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/!photos/Gabriel_Byrne.jpg

[San Galgano]

I think Jason Biggs does look a bit Jewish, Matt Dillon don't though.

Though he played the role of an italian in a movie.

[Pallantides]

I think women would not prefer a blonde blue eyed man like this..:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/content/images/2007/08/31/martyfeldman_2_396x222.jpg
If they could choose among him and this swarthy italian:
http://images.movieplayer.it/2008/07/10/raoul-bova-82126.jpg

:D

Marty Feldman had Grave's disease and serious case of ophthalmopathy (protrusion of eyes) wich affected his appearance, so it's not a natural look.
http://medicalimages.allrefer.com/large/graves-disease.jpg

it would be like comparing

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/38/78063876_280d5e935b.jpg

to

http://i.models.com/oftheminute/images/2008/07/dennis1.jpg

[San Galgano]

Marty Feldman had Grave's disease and serious case of ophthalmopathy (protrusion of eyes) wich have affected his appearance, so it's not a natural look.
http://medicalimages.allrefer.com/large/graves-disease.jpg



I was joking of course.:D

I thought you nordic guys were more prepared to jokes:thumb001:.

[Falkata]

I think women would not prefer a blonde blue eyed man like this..:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/content/images/2007/08/31/martyfeldman_2_396x222.jpg
If they could choose among him and this swarthy southern italian:


:D

LoL there´s a spanish humourist who looks somehow like him or even uglier
He´s blond blue eyed too :p

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20090217elpepiult_1/XXLCO/Ies/Enrique_San_Francisco.jpg

[San Galgano]

Must be the Roman nose.

http://www.onlineseats.com/upload/concerts/3202_con_ray_romano_2.jpg


Ray Romano too is always considered a swarthy in the net, but to me he only tans easily.
When he's not tanned is not that swarthy.

http://images.buddytv.com/articles/Image/what-are-they-up-to-ray-romano.jpg

[San Galgano]

LoL there´s a spanish humourist who looks somehow like him or even uglier
He´s blond blue eyed too :p

http://www.elpais.com/recorte/20090217elpepiult_1/XXLCO/Ies/Enrique_San_Francisco.jpg


LOL
Save for the straight eyes he reminds him a lot.

[Smaland]

Yes, those people are a plague for the image of Italians in Usa, especially of the good southern italians, since many italian americans there are of southern origins.
I prefer to think of southern Italian-americans like these :
John Basilone:
http://www.militaryimages.net/photopost/data/611/John_Basilone.jpg

There are no Marines in my family, but you're absolutely right; John Basilone was definitely a hero, beyond any question. :thumb001:

[Gamera]

I think Jason Biggs does look a bit Jewish, Matt Dillon don't though.

Well he does look like Adam Sandler quite a bit, doesn't he?

Just found these pics while googling his name:

http://www.topsocialite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/jason-biggs.jpg

http://img.rtvslo.si/upload/foto_dneva/sandler-biggs_show.jpg

[Rhobot]

Also, Dinarids tend to be mistaken with "stereotypical Jews". They have Roman, downturned noses, black hair, brown eyes, et cetera. It's probably Jews are often Armenoid-influenced and both Dinarids and Armenids are effect of taurization.

But Italian - especially South Italian - people might also be suitable for playing Jews since they're dark, in some cases have Roman noses, etc. But it doesn't change the fact that they have nothing to do with Jews and that they're White.

I've read genetic studies (Atzmon and Seldin) that suggest southern Europeans are more closely related to Jews than are northern Europeans. But you are correct that Jews are a separate ethnic and religious group altogether.

[Foxy]

I've always seen southern Italians, Greeks and Maltese as European, I don't like it when people bitch about them.

It's ok except for Malteses. I consider them more related to semites than to Europeans, for clearly historical reason. Plus Malta has nothing of Italian, differently from what many people think. The only Italian presence there was the Sicilian army.


Here's an Italian American stereotype

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/4127/slide_4127_57711_large.jpg

Who could forget the Guido pose

http://media.ebaumsworld.com/mediaFiles/picture/271727/951792.jpg

Oh my God... do they make him pass for Italian????

http://sgalambro.blog.kataweb.it/files/2007/08/sk.jpg

Some things went bad during the evolution process...


You complain too much... Have you ever played Street Fighter?
Do you know Vega, the spaniard fighter? Well this is how a spaniard looks in Hollywood :eek:

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/861/861951/street-fighter-the-legend-of-chun-li-20080325051444940.jpg

Same of before...


What's teh big deal, swarthies? Women prefer tall(are southern Italians tall?), dark and handsome men except for Romanqueen but she's an exception. She wishes she was nordic. /Swarty Power!!!2

I don't wish I was nordic. I prefer brunette women like Monica Bellucci and blonde men.
My ideal guy is like this:

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/paul-walker/paul-walker-20050511-39198.jpg

but ok, he's the apotheosis of the handsomeness!!

Anyway how can u be sure that girls - also nordic girls - prefer dark men?
And I like also some brunette men but they must have the right features. For istance I like this half Greek half Roman actor.
http://www.film.it/fnts/film/immagini/nicolasvaporidisgalleria/400/nicolasvaporidis08.jpg

I like brunette guys but only if they have classical Greek-Roman features. In which country do this phenotype is more common among Italy, Spain and Greece?

Ps: Dear El Guapo, I can't say "swathy power" becouse I am as white as the death. I should be masochist to go around screaming "swarthy power".

[Albion]

It's ok except for Malteses. I consider them more related to semites than to Europeans, for clearly historical reason. Plus Malta has nothing of Italian, differently from what many people think. The only Italian presence there was the Sicilian army.


The Maltese seem the same as Sicilians to me speaking from a racial background.
They probably spoke Semitic languages throughout history, probably Phoencian or Greek (I know Greek isn't Semitic) during the time of Carthage, then probably Latin during the Roman Empire and then it seems they picked up Semitic again via the Siculo-Arabic language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siculo-Arabic), Semitic languages spread to Malta and Sicily via Arab occupations.
Racially though they seem to be the same as Sicilians to me, just with a Semitic language.

If I'm wrong then prove me wrong, I'm not big on knowledge on that part of the world to be honest.

[Foxy]

The Maltese seem the same as Sicilians to me speaking from a racial background.
They probably spoke Semitic languages throughout history, probably Phoencian or Greek (I know Greek isn't Semitic) during the time of Carthage, then probably Latin during the Roman Empire and then it seems they picked up Semitic again via the Siculo-Arabic language (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siculo-Arabic), Semitic languages spread to Malta and Sicily via Arab occupations.
Racially though they seem to be the same as Sicilians to me, just with a Semitic language.

If I'm wrong then prove me wrong, I'm not big on knowledge on that part of the world to be honest.

Malta background is carthagineses/ northern African. It was used as a prison by southern Greeks, especially from Rhodes, and by Sicilians, who also sent there some troops. Sicilian background is Greek but Sicily was occupied also by Normans, northern Italians etc. etc.
Read a short history of Malta to understand the difference. Anyway Italians already don't consider Sicily a 100% Italian region. Malta is out of limits, though it would be useful as a strategic point. But an other country already own it.........................................

[Albion]

Malta background is carthagineses/ northern African. It was used as a prison by southern Greeks, especially from Rhodes, and by Sicilians, who also sent there some troops. Sicilian background is Greek but Sicily was occupied also by Normans, northern Italians etc. etc.

I'll do some research, but I'd think it would have been colonized from the north (Italy) than anywhere else, Greeks and Carthaginians coul sail there, but I don't think they'd settle en-mass.


But an other country already own it.........................................

Britain doesn't own it, but British influence is still there :D:D:D:D I doubt British influence is any stronger than Italian influence though.

[Albion]

The Phoenicians colonized Malta from about 1000 BC, bringing their Semitic language and culture, and becoming the direct male-line ancestors of about a half of the modern Maltese population.

Interesting.


The Arabs generally tolerated the population's Christianity, and their language subsequently shifted to Siculo-Arabic

This could mean there was little Arab settlement.


Y-Dna haplogroups are found at the following frequencies in Malta : R1 (35.55% including 32.2% R1b), J (28.90% including 7.80% J1), I (12.20%), E (11.10% including 8.9% E1b1b), F (6.70%), K (4.40%), P (1.10%)[22]. J, K, F and E1b1b haplogroups consist of lineages with differential distribution within Middle East, North Africa and Europe while R1 and I are typical in West European populations.

Right, so it seems they are a Semitic / European mix population with the Semitic influence predominating.

[Ibericus]

Interesting.



This could mean there was little Arab settlement.



Right, so it seems they are a Semitic / European mix population with the Semitic influence predominating.

The frequency of J1 in Malta is higher by far, than any european country. Italy or Greece have less than 1%. Malta about 8%

[San Galgano]

Well he does look like Adam Sandler quite a bit, doesn't he?

Just found these pics while googling his name:

http://www.topsocialite.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/jason-biggs.jpg

http://img.rtvslo.si/upload/foto_dneva/sandler-biggs_show.jpg


I think Adam Sandler is only jew speaking about religion. If nobody knew he is jew he would be considered a white on the whole.

[San Galgano]

The Maltese seem the same as Sicilians to me Siculo-Arabic language[/URL], Semitic languages spread to Malta and Sicily via Arab occupations.
Racially though they seem to be the same as Sicilians to me, just with a Semitic language.

I think that page of Wikipedia is a bit biased, since they say siculo-arabic was spoken in the whole S.Italy.
Plus there is these writings at a certain point:
"Arabic influence is present in a small number of Sicilian words. Most of these terms relate to agriculture and related activities."

"Although Siculo-Arabic died out quickly in Sicily, it survived on Malta, with additional influences from Sicilian, Italian, French, and more recently English.[1] Some items of Siculo-Arabic vocabulary are comparable with later items found in Maltese language"

[San Galgano]

I've read genetic studies (Atzmon and Seldin) that suggest southern Europeans are more closely related to Jews than are northern Europeans. But you are correct that Jews are a separate ethnic and religious group altogether.

I think it is the other way around. The Askenazim only, are related to southern europeans, but that because their genetic is half southern european.
Though there are even some groups of Jews related to Germany.

[San Galgano]

Oh my God... do they make him pass for Italian????

http://sgalambro.blog.kataweb.it/files/2007/08/sk.jpg

Some things went bad during the evolution process...



These guys are a product of a New York subculture only anyway. These guys would be mocked to death in Italy, even by southern italians. I have never heard italian-americans outside of New Jersey acting and wearing like that.
To me they should be shoot in their legs.
Italy exports and wear Dolce and Gabbana, Versace, Prada, Armani and those retard wear like that.

[Ibericus]

I think it is the other way around. The Askenazim only, are related to southern europeans, but that because their genetic is half southern european.
Though there are even some groups of Jews related to Germany, and that because they became half german during centuries genetically speaking.
No. They are not related to Southern Europeans :

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/420/priceplotsm4.png

http://img5.imageshack.us/img5/696/jew1x.jpg

http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/3720/behar2010k10.png

[San Galgano]

No. They are not related to Southern Europeans :

Yes, forgive me. I only meant that they pull a bit toward S.Italy and Greece, even if they don't cluster at all. Anyway they are far from being totally middle-easterners that's why the pull a bit.

[San Galgano]

This is an askenazim....

http://desifly.com/files/pictures/2009/03/miss_israel_2007_full.jpg

[Megrez]

As far as I know ashkenazis are more related to central and northern europeans. The sephardics are the jews related to southern europeans and north africans.

An example of central european jew:

http://www.veteranmuseum.cz/wp-content/uploads/image/EmilJelinek.jpg
http://www.mercedes-benz.pt/content/media_library/hq/hq_mpc_reference_site/passenger_cars/passenger_cars_world/heritage/history/personalities/emil_and_mercedes/history_personalities2.object-Single-MEDIA.tmp/EmilJellinek_380x240.jpg

Emil Jellinek, jew of Czech, Hungarian and German background, funder of the company Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft

And a half-sephardic jewess:

http://www.mercedes-benz.pt/content/media_library/hq/hq_mpc_reference_site/passenger_cars/passenger_cars_world/heritage/history/personalities/emil_and_mercedes/history_personalities.object-Single-MEDIA.tmp/Mercedes_MercedesJellinek_380x240.jpg
http://www2.uol.com.br/bestcars/carros/mercedes/antigos/emile-mercedes.jpg

Mercedes Jellinek, daughter of Emil, born to a sephardic mother of French and north african background. Her name was used to name the new brand that was formed when the companies Daimler and Benz merged in 1926. Guess what brand I'm talking about? :D

[San Galgano]

No. They are not related to Southern Europeans :

Correct me if i'm wrong Iberia, don't askenazim jews cluster more with some romanians in some genetic tests more than with south Italy and Greece?

I remember to have seen some maps like that, but i'm not sure.

[Arne]

LOL
That is even worse indeed.
I think Hollywood actors' scouts not only would have the need of an anthropology full immersion, but even a geographical full immersion.

How can they use a real indio to play a spanish role?
Not only they pretend spaniards like that but they are also blind since some time i have seen Vega with blonde hair.

It can´t be that bad using a indio for that.
Maybe they should only show blonde Spaniards :D and Darkhaired Nordics.. ;)

Can you tell me if a huge difference exist and in which way ?
Indios and Spaniards seems to have many ties they share..

[San Galgano]

As far as I know ashkenazis are more related to central and northern europeans. The sephardics are the jews related to southern europeans and north africans.


I've never seen sephardic jews in any genetic test with other europeans. I think they only use askenazi because they are the ones with more european genes(and in many cases even fully european).

[San Galgano]

It can´t be that bad using a indio for that.
Maybe they should only show blonde Spaniards :D and Darkhaired Nordics.. ;)

They should not use only blonde haired S.Europeans, nor only dark haired Nordics.
They should use people from their own country to represent their people.


Can you tell me if a huge difference exist and in which way ?
Indios and Spaniards seems to have many ties they share..

Indios and spaniards have many ties? Are you sure you are not on drugs dude?
Do you know where Spain is and were indios are supposed to live and what their features are?

a spaniard:
http://www.calcionews24.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/Fernando_Torres_face_1.jpg

an indio:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/93/Indio_Yanomami.jpg

[Gamera]

I think Adam Sandler is only jew speaking about religion. If nobody knew he is jew he would be considered a white on the whole.

Yeah, I think so too. Could easily pass for an italian I guess.

[Gatillo]

Can you tell me if a huge difference exist and in which way ?
Indios and Spaniards seems to have many ties they share..

Hahahaha this is an example of school failure.

[Gamera]

Can you tell me if a huge difference exist and in which way ?
Indios and Spaniards seems to have many ties they share..

Oh believe me, they don't. There is a big difference.

[Ibericus]

It can´t be that bad using a indio for that.
Maybe they should only show blonde Spaniards :D and Darkhaired Nordics.. ;)

Can you tell me if a huge difference exist and in which way ?
Indios and Spaniards seems to have many ties they share..
Yes, Indians discovered Europe and settled in Spain :rolleyes:

[San Galgano]

Yeah, I think so too. Could easily pass for an italian I guess.

..and welsh, scottish, french...english.. :thumb001:

[Aviane]

Well he does look like Adam Sandler quite a bit, doesn't he?

Just found these pics while googling his name:

http://img.rtvslo.si/upload/foto_dneva/sandler-biggs_show.jpg

They really look alot alike especially in this second picture just above.


I think Adam Sandler is only jew speaking about religion. If nobody knew he is jew he would be considered a white on the whole.

I agree he would just be another White American and would not be known as a typical looking jew.

[San Galgano]

They really look alot alike especially in this second picture just above.



I agree he would just be another White American and would not be known as a typical looking jew.

Yes, in that pic especially he came out a bit dark too. His real skin tone is lighter. I think many people would never mistake him for a jew:

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/mb/mall_cop_premiere_100109/adam_sandler_5231761.jpg

[Rhobot]

The frequency of J1 in Malta is higher by far, than any european country. Italy or Greece have less than 1%. Malta about 8%

Sicily and Crete have fairly high percentages of J1 (8.3% in Crete, 10.5% in some ares of Sicily). So do some areas in southern Italy (parts of Puglia).

[Korbis]

Yesterday i saw a documental about spanish expats living in Siciliy and they seem to share a lot genetically and culturally with Valencians and catalans.

Separatist sicilians use a flag which is very similar to the flag of the Crown of Aragon, and therefore the flag of Catalonia and Valencia. Maybe because they take more pride in their past Iberian colonization that on their ties with peninsular Italy?

By the way how come they have a Black saint? kissing a negro statue is the last thing i would expect from this people. :confused:

[Foxy]

Yesterday i saw a documental about spanish expats living in Siciliy and they seem to share a lot genetically and culturally with Valencians and catalans.

Separatist sicilians use a flag which is very similar to the flag of the Crown of Aragon, and therefore the flag of Catalonia and Valencia. Maybe because they take more pride in their past Iberian colonization that on their ties with peninsular Italy?

By the way how come they have a Black saint? kissing a negro statue is the last thing i would expect from this people. :confused:

Separatism movement of Sicily:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/Bandera_EVIS.png

IRS (Indipendent Republic of Sardinia - movement for the indipendence of Sardinia):

http://www.irsonline.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/logo_irs.gif

Lega Sud Ausonia and its political program:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_0X3EcwETfC4/TGl6vEg-boI/AAAAAAAAAng/YrHXTp2b13U/s1600/Legasud.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_NfNYD8bJzzM/TDuCkSY1O9I/AAAAAAAAGUQ/2kmMJL3Irhc/s400/divisa.jpg

Lega Nord Padania and its political program:

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:rjmp1HGwhyTweM:http://www.ladestra.info/public/wordpress2/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/lega.jpg&t=1
http://www.leganord.org/ilmovimento/regioni-padania-con-abruzzo.gif

(*Thank you Bossi that you included Abruzzo into Lega Nord, though Molise - ex southern Abruzzo - is with Lega Sud :rolleyes2: Latium has been totally forgotten for my pain... do we give it back to the Vatican?)

Indipendentis movement of Sudtirol/Alto Adige:
http://imperonet.altervista.org/esteri/stf.jpg

.........

What is Italy then?

[San Galgano]

Sicily and Crete have fairly high percentages of J1 (8.3% in Crete, 10.5% in some ares of Sicily). So do some areas in southern Italy (parts of Puglia).


Some parts don't make a percentage of the Isle. There are areas in central Europe too with e3b, J2 and some J1 but they come out as 0, 0.1 % if we consider the whole nation.

In Sicily j1 doesn't go over 2/3 % if i'm not wrong.

[Tyrrhenoi]

By the way how come they have a Black saint? kissing a negro statue is the last thing i would expect from this people. :confused:

1: They are Catholic (an non racial believe)
2: Italians have never been racists

(- in fact there were jews in the Italian fascist party)

[San Galgano]

1: They are Catholic (an non racial believe)
2: Italians have never been racists

(- in fact there were jews in the Italian fascist party)

Indeed.
Don't the Christians worship a Jew, even the racist ones?

[Ibericus]

Sicily and Crete have fairly high percentages of J1 (8.3% in Crete, 10.5% in some ares of Sicily). So do some areas in southern Italy (parts of Puglia).
There are areas in Central Europe with 30 % of Eb1b1. But I always insist haplogroups are not indicative of race. Only autosomal can determine ancestry

[Guapo]

(*Thank you Bossi that you included Abruzzo into Lega Nord, though Molise - ex southern Abruzzo - is with Lega Sud :rolleyes2: Latium has been totally forgotten for my pain... do we give it back to the Vatican?)



He also includes Dalmatia and Istria but keeps it on the down low.

[Comte Arnau]

You complain too much... Have you ever played Street Fighter?
Do you know Vega, the spaniard fighter? Well this is how a spaniard looks in Hollywood :eek:

http://moviesmedia.ign.com/movies/image/article/861/861951/street-fighter-the-legend-of-chun-li-20080325051444940.jpg

They don't learn. In the previous Street Fighter movie, they had already chosen a Native American for the role, Jay Tavare.

http://blogs.gamefilia.com/files/imce/u370066/VEGA_LORENZO_LAMAS.jpg

And they go on with another great choice. This time for the movie of the Tekken game. The Spanish fighter in the game, Miguel Caballero Rojo, with a very acceptable Iberian phenotype (forget about the clothes):

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/0/3699/351390-tekken_6_miguel_el_matador_ps3_01_super.jpg

http://bestgamewallpapers.com/files/tekken-6/miguel-caballero-rojo.jpg

And the guy chosen for the role: a Californian martial artist of Mexican/Salvadoran descent. Spot-on. :D

http://image.cdnl3.xosnetwork.com/pics31/640/RA/RACKMYDYHYTMBQA.20100315161653.jpg

Spain, capital Chihuahua.

[Megrez]

Indeed.
Don't the Christians worship a Jew, even the racist ones?
The racist ones claim Jesus was white. Some claim he was Celto-nordic...

[Vasconcelos]

Jesus was British and his real name was Brian.

[Megrez]

^

Oh yeah :thumbs

UmAYBI6tCHI

@ Vasconcelos: não sei como conseguiram, mas a versão brasileira dublada deste filme é melhor que a original :D

[Gamera]

1: They are Catholic (an non racial believe)
2: Italians have never been racists

(- in fact there were jews in the Italian fascist party)

Indeed. It seems like throughout history and from all Europe, Italy was always the least racist country against Jews. Even when Mussolini turned racism and antisemitism a state policy in 1938 (after having criticized both of those things and Nazi Germany policies in public speeches many times before 1938) , the population itself never really got that antisemitic.

In Croatia, during the occupation of Dalmatia by the Italians during WWII, there are many stories of how Italian generals helped the local Jews that were escaping the Croatian Ustashe savages...

Anyway, just thought of saying that since it was a bit relevant.

[Rhobot]

Some parts don't make a percentage of the Isle. There are areas in central Europe too with e3b, J2 and some J1 but they come out as 0, 0.1 % if we consider the whole nation.

In Sicily j1 doesn't go over 2/3 % if i'm not wrong.

Maybe. Near Ragusa in the south, it seems to be about 10.7%- probably lower in Sicily as a whole.

[Joliemome]

82385

[Kenshiro]

What's teh big deal, swarthies? Women prefer tall(are southern Italians tall?), dark and handsome men except for Romanqueen but she's an exception. She wishes she was nordic. /Swarty Power!!!2
Personal experience: women are looking for someone virile, who can stand up to them, and who manages to remain imprinted in their mind through his ways, they are actually easy although men tend not to understand them, once you manage to control them psychologically you have full control over them, unless you are extremely ugly (I have quite an advantage because I don't consider myself ugly and I usually like enough)