classify German poet and novelist (Günther Grass)

[Proto-Shaman]

Father German, mother Slavic-Polish.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61068&d=1442528314
http://images.nzz.ch/eos/v2/image/view/620/-/text/inset/85c79a30/1.18521414/1428935136/guenter-grass1971.jpg
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/138294337-g%C3%BCnter-grass-german-writer-1981-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=Z0zsWpN2ukUDXYqF4boPJcZoOsowgtXmy7cvMPgql7qYNMAS Uh01XFgcx%2f2ogwRc3zrdO7kEhJNNJlmt%2fwIb12PLgn4xZZ %2boO9zb%2fcBgjf4%3d
http://www.anstendig.com/Writers/images/gunter_grass.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03265/1959795_GUNTER_GRA_3265315b.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61066&d=1442518443
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61064&d=1442518346
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61065&d=1442518346
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61063&d=1442518346
http://www.wdr2.de/guenter-grass-willy-brandt100_v-ARDFotogalerie.jpg
https://staff.imsa.edu/wlang/gr/gr3/exercises/images/grass2.jpg
http://bilder.t-online.de/b/64/93/95/58/id_64939558/610/tid_da/guenter-grass-oskar-lafontaine-1987.jpg

[Nurzat]

Alpine / West Baltid

looks very Bavarian/Austrian

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Man, he doesn't look so crazy to me. I am getting kinda fed up with this pseudo-science. The fact of the matter is that phenotype has little to do with genetics. There are all kinds of phenotypes in every population, I bet if he took a DNA test he would be 100% German.

[Teja]

As a soldier when he was younger.
http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/070604_r16272_p646-786-1200-13115157.jpg

[i'llseeyouinhell]

Very Turanid looking + Alpine

[i'llseeyouinhell]

As a soldier when he was younger.
http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/070604_r16272_p646-786-1200-13115157.jpg

With his looking he could be in one of this divisions

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/tujue/turkestan00144aa8.jpg

[Arhat]

Very Turanid looking + Alpine

There are no turanid Germans:picard2:

[Teja]

With his looking he could be in one of this divisions
I think he looks quite "normal" (german) in his younger years and his mongol fold is due to his age.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

I think he looks quite "normal" (german) in his younger years and his mongol fold is due to his age.

I can understand the difference thanks but he is turanid if you don't wanna see this that's just ok

[i'llseeyouinhell]

There are no turanid Germans:picard2:

:picard1:

[Cleitus]

With his looking he could be in one of this divisions

http://i101.photobucket.com/albums/m75/tujue/turkestan00144aa8.jpg

That was not a division.

[Skomand]

His mother is Kashubian (spelling?) not Polish.

"Eingeklemmt zwischen Deutschen und Polen, hatten die Kaschuben immer Mühe, ihre Eigenständigkeit zu wahren. Autor Günter Grass, selbst Sohn einer Kaschubin, hat in seinem Roman "Die Blechtrommel" das Schicksal des kleinen Volkes beschrieben: Kaschuben, sagt die Großmutter von Oskar Matzerath, "missen immer dablaiben und Koppchen hinhalten, damit de anderen drauftäppern können, weil unserains nich richtich polnisch is und nich richtich deitsch jenug, und wenn man Kaschub is, das raicht weder de Deitschen noch de Pollacken""

[i'llseeyouinhell]

That was not a division.

Whatever

[Proto-Shaman]

His mother is Kashubian (spelling?) not Polish.

"Eingeklemmt zwischen Deutschen und Polen, hatten die Kaschuben immer Mühe, ihre Eigenständigkeit zu wahren. Autor Günter Grass, selbst Sohn einer Kaschubin, hat in seinem Roman "Die Blechtrommel" das Schicksal des kleinen Volkes beschrieben: Kaschuben, sagt die Großmutter von Oskar Matzerath, "missen immer dablaiben und Koppchen hinhalten, damit de anderen drauftäppern können, weil unserains nich richtich polnisch is und nich richtich deitsch jenug, und wenn man Kaschub is, das raicht weder de Deitschen noch de Pollacken""
Ich dachte Kashuben sind slawisch (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaschubische_Sprache). Wie dem auch sei, wie würdest du ihn klassifizieren? Ich habe bewusst Bilder aus seinen jüngeren und älteren Jahren ausgesucht. Für mich wirkt er als hätte er einen leicht tauriden Einschlag, weswegen seine pseudo-mongoloiden/turaniden Züge etwas überbewertet werden. Seine Augenfalte müsste eindeutig alpinen Ursprungs sein.

[Teja]

Ich dachte Kashuben sind slawisch (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaschubische_Sprache). Wie dem auch sei, wie würdest du ihn klassifizieren? Ich habe bewusst Bilder aus seinen jüngeren und älteren Jahren ausgesucht. Für mich wirkt er als hätte er einen leicht tauriden Einschlag, weswegen seine pseudo-mongoloiden/turaniden Züge etwas überbewertet werden. Seine Augenfalte müsste eindeutig alpinen Ursprungs sein.
But does slavic automatically means more eurasian? Especially prussia was a complete mix of slavs, germanics and balts. He indeed has a pseudo eurasian look about him. Would be interesting to see how is parents especiall his mother looked like.

[Teja]

A good example for the nordic/mongol/epicanthic fold or whatever you want to call it is Kaiser Wilhelm the second. No fold as a kid, slighlty developed as an adult and very visible shortly before his death.
http://www.wilhelm-der-zweite.de/images/wilhelm1869.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2004-0096%2C_Kaiser_Wilhelm_II..jpg/424px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2004-0096%2C_Kaiser_Wilhelm_II..jpg
http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/polopoly_fs/1.470992.1357523352!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/900x600/image.jpg

[Skomand]

http://www.geocities.ws/neckam2/Grass.html
Hier ist ein Bild der kaschubischen Mutter. Für mich sieht die richtig deutsch aus.

[Teja]

http://www.geocities.ws/neckam2/Grass.html
Hier ist ein Bild der kaschubischen Mutter. Für mich sieht die richtig deutsch aus.
Look at him in his twenties. Nordic Übermensch. :p
http://www.geocities.ws/neckam2/BildGrassmit24.jpg

[Proto-Shaman]

Look at him in his twenties. Nordic Übermensch. :p
http://www.geocities.ws/neckam2/BildGrassmit24.jpg
Na irgendwo finde ich hat sich der Chasare in seinen Stammbaum eingeschlichen :p

[Teja]

Wir werden es nie erfahren. Und hört mal auf deutsch zu schreiben ihr Nazis. :D

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I can understand the difference thanks but he is turanid if you don't wanna see this that's just ok

have you seen pics of me before? many people say i look asiatic, but does that mean i actually am asiatic? I don't think so. Slant eyes is not an indicator of someones ancestry, as white people have this too, not just asians. i heard before that a lot of times it has to do with the mother being drunk or something when you are born, you can get slanty eyes. nothing to do with genetics..

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Kipchak, I have a lot of Prussian ancestry, but I can't say Slavic means more Eurasian, although it is true that Slavs get higher ANE (West Slavs). I have high ANE myself and above average East Eurasian but nothing compared to East Eurasian Finns get.

I'm not sure if I have Slavic ancestry or not, on GEDmatch there is South_Polish, Hungarian and Croatian in my population sharing but it is at the bottom of the list of ethnicities I share with. (I know Hungarians are not Slavs but genetically they are close). I may have distant Slav in me, I'm not sure. Having a lot of Prussian ancestry it is possible as Prussians were a mix of Germanized Slavs and Germans (and Balts further East).

There are some Slavic names in my Prussian tree.

[Teja]

Kipchak, I have a lot of Prussian ancestry, but I can't say Slavic means more Eurasian, although it is true that Slavs get higher ANE (West Slavs). I have high ANE myself and above average East Eurasian but nothing compared to East Eurasian Finns get.

I'm not sure if I have Slavic ancestry or not, on GEDmatch there is South_Polish, Hungarian and Croatian in my population sharing but it is at the bottom of the list of ethnicities I share with. (I know Hungarians are not Slavs but genetically they are close). I may have distant Slav in me, I'm not sure. Having a lot of Prussian ancestry it is possible as Prussians were a mix of Germanized Slavs and Germans (and Balts further East).

There are some Slavic names in my Prussian tree.
Allot of slavic nobles in prussia. Two of the most famous would be Erich von Manstein (born Lewinski) and Johann August Heinrich Heros von Borcke who fought in the american civil war.

[Not a Cop]

Dinarid clearly.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Allot of slavic nobles in prussia. Two of the most famous would be Erich von Manstein (born Lewinski) and Johann August Heinrich Heros von Borcke who fought in the american civil war.

Do you think I have any Slavic blood?

[Teja]

Do you think I have any Slavic blood?
I have no fucking clue since I don't think slavic ancestry raises the possibility of eurasian appearance.

[Ctwentysevenj]

As a soldier when he was younger.
http://www.newyorker.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/06/070604_r16272_p646-786-1200-13115157.jpg

That is the Labour Service or the Reicharbeitsdienst

[Merida]

A good example for the nordic/mongol/epicanthic fold or whatever you want to call it is Kaiser Wilhelm the second. No fold as a kid, slighlty developed as an adult and very visible shortly before his death.
http://www.wilhelm-der-zweite.de/images/wilhelm1869.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/93/Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2004-0096%2C_Kaiser_Wilhelm_II..jpg/424px-Bundesarchiv_Bild_146-2004-0096%2C_Kaiser_Wilhelm_II..jpg
http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/polopoly_fs/1.470992.1357523352!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/900x600/image.jpg



From what I've seen, some Northern Euro types have epicanthic fold, but it doesn't fall over the entire eye; only in the outer corners, like your Kaiser Wilhelm example.
Seems to me, in more Mongol eyes, the whole eye is hooded.




Also, I know some people will disagree with me, but imo Günther Grass doesn't look 100% Western.

[Antimage]

Sorry to disappoint, he is not turanid.

[King Claus]

He looks like a chink

[Antimage]

According to turanshits on this forum, everyone with small eyes is turanid and there are turanids all over Europe western europe with 0% asian dna

Sardinian "turanids"

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-wNKL-I_ytzM/UH9at6LX8yI/AAAAAAAACkE/oUhQDZtYqbI/s1600/sardinians%2Bsardinian%2Bpeople%2B(2).jpg
https://c1.staticflickr.com/1/114/288023574_ad99cf54f9.jpg

Spanish" turanids"

http://s4.postimg.org/fm8lxzezh/Kiko_ficha.jpg
http://s18.postimg.org/d7ni543uh/75109_1238_2012105143918687.jpg
http://s6.postimg.org/pqnpxrwep/C_ceres_Fernando_Jes_s_Manzano_Pedrera_034_ferna.j pg

Oliver khan has small eyes, must be turanid too :crazy:

http://www.spox.com/de/sport/fussball/bundesliga/0903/Bilder/oliver-kahn-sepp-herberger-stiftung-514.jpg

[Antimage]

Traits like "long legs" "facial hair" "straight hair" or "small eyes" don't belong to certain races. Small eyed europeans aren't turanids, get over it turanshits.

[Antimage]

:picard1:

Have you looked at DNA tests? Germans score 0% asian on DNA tests. How are you gonna look asian with 0% asian dna?:rotfl2

[i'llseeyouinhell]

Have you looked at DNA tests? Germans score 0% asian on DNA tests. How are you gonna look asian with 0% asian dna?:rotfl2

I didn't say germans have asian dna he is not fully german :picard1:

[i'llseeyouinhell]

...

Keep like that dumb you''ll laugh me more :D

[i'llseeyouinhell]

have you seen pics of me before? many people say i look asiatic, but does that mean i actually am asiatic? I don't think so. Slant eyes is not an indicator of someones ancestry, as white people have this too, not just asians. i heard before that a lot of times it has to do with the mother being drunk or something when you are born, you can get slanty eyes. nothing to do with genetics..

I know that but this man isn't fit that he is different

''i heard before that a lot of times it has to do with the mother being drunk or something when you are born'' wtf :D

btw i wondered you can send me your pics

[Arhat]

I didn't say germans have asian dna he is not fully german :picard1:

Just Shut up gypsy and stop mass downvoting like post like a butthurt because I disagreed with your pan-turanian bullshit. What the fuck are you turds actually doing on this forum? Lol no joke more than 100 of my downbotes are from unibrow kebab scum

[Proto-Shaman]

Sorry to disappoint, he is not turanid.
No problem bro, I didn't expected him to be :) just confused of his pseudo-look, not like other cases.

[Proto-Shaman]

Traits like "long legs" "facial hair" "straight hair" or "small eyes" don't belong to certain races. Small eyed europeans aren't turanids, get over it turanshits.
Again, nobody claimed this, and your pictures differ dramatically from Günther Grass in terms of morphology.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

Just Shut up gypsy and stop mass downvoting like post like a butthurt because I disagreed with your pan-turanian bullshit. What the fuck are you turds actually doing on this forum? Lol no joke more than 100 of my downbotes are from unibrow kebab scum

You are the one who unibrow and subhuman gyspy you shithead :D keep like that you hate Turks? hahahahaha such a good proof of something :D

[Arhat]

You are the one who unibrow and subhuman gyspy you shithead :D keep like that you hate Turks? hahahahaha such a good proof of something :D

This is an European forum and not a forum for half depigmented unibrow somali scum. Go and downvote again random 70 posts of mine ( I am serious this butthurt kebab downboted more than 70 posts of mine :picard2: ) to prove how much a butthurt and subhuman you are. Turds are scum and nobody on this forum want to see you here posting your pan-turanian BS. You are by far the most hated ethnic group here. Make a DNA test scum and tell me if your "turanian" ancestors are from Sudan or Somalia ;)

[i'llseeyouinhell]

This is an European forum and not a forum for half depigmented unibrow somali scum. Go and downvote again random 70 posts of mine to prove how much a butthurt and subhuman you are. Turds are scum and nobody on this forum want to see you here posting your pan-turanian BS. You are by far the most hated ethnic group here. Make a DNA test scum and tell me if your "turanian" ancestors are from Sudan or Somalia ;)

Somali? hahahaha i guess this is where you parents from? :D

You started you retarted shit you must give me more thumbsdown so all we can understand better that you are just a rancor hater shit :D

You should do a test too for proving your father :D he must be a Turk what's why you hate us :D :D

[Arhat]

Somali? hahahaha i guess this is where you parents from? :D

You started you retarted shit you must give me more thumbsdown so all we can understand better that you are just a rancor hater shit :D

You should do a test too for proving your father :D he must be a Turk what's why you hate us :D :D

Lol gypsy You even keep up mass downvoting random posts of mine:picard2: Get a life kebab scum

[i'llseeyouinhell]

Lol gypsy You even keep up mass downvoting random posts of mine:picard2: Get a life kebab scum

Good... Prove more that you are a retarded you are the one who starded that you subhuman Turkosperm :D

You poor shit of course you can't do that fast with your shitty computer poor dumb hahahahaha

I already have one i suggest you to get one too :thumb001: so just can go out and quit hate of your ancestors :D

[Nurzat]

I see zer0 Turanid in him. those eyes are common among Alpines of his age. it could be only a coincidence of common traits between Alpines and Turanids. another one is the flatness of the face. Austrians have flattest faces in Europe, according to a scientific study

[Proto-Shaman]

I see zer0 Turanid in him. those eyes are common among Alpines of his age. it could be only a coincidence of common traits between Alpines and Turanids. another one is the flatness of the face. Austrians have flattest faces in Europe, according to a scientific study
I can translate if you d0n't understand: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?184783-classify-German-poet-and-novelist-%28G%FCnther-Grass%29&p=3830579&viewfull=1#post3830579

[Arhat]

Good... Prove more that you are a retarded you are the one who starded that you subhuman Turkosperm :D

You poor shit of course you can't do that fast with your shitty computer poor dumb hahahahaha

I already have one i suggest you to get one too :thumb001: so just can go out and quit hate of your ancestors :D

You Are a "Untermensch" and as descendant of half goats/half somali i am not surprised by your primitive behaviour. Turks are the sperm of Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, Persians, few Turks and Gypsies and because of this you are by far the most ugly subhumans north of Congo. You look like Arabs but pretend to be Mongolians or even more pathetic to be Scythians. In the end you probably lack any kind of real Turkic admixture and are just a self-hating Kurd, Armenian, Arab or gypsy with a stockholm syndrom for real mongolid Turks which enslaved his ancestors.

[Proto-Shaman]

You look like Arabs but pretend to be Mongolians or even more pathetic to be Scythians.
Says the paleolithic east African IE.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

You Are a "Untermensch" and as descendant of half goats/half somali i am not surprised by your primitive behaviour. Turks are the sperm of Greeks, Armenians, Kurds, Arabs, Persians, few Turks and Gypsies and because of this you are by far the most ugly subhumans north of Congo. You look like Arabs but pretend to be Mongolians or even more pathetic to be Scythians. In the end you probably lack any kind of real Turkic admixture and are just a self-hating Kurd, Armenian, Arab or gypsy with a stockholm syndrom for real mongolid Turks which enslaved his ancestors.

You are right mein Cromagnoid and Neanderthaloid influence makes me untermensch :D :D :D :swl

You have to improve yourself if you are gonna try to insult your ancestors :D find new things we are just sick tired of your dumbness :D

[Antimage]

No problem bro, I didn't expected him to be :) just confused of his pseudo-look, not like other cases.

I read many of your posts and you always like to claim that smalle eyed europeans are turanids, don't deny it. I remember when you claimed an italian forum member was turanid

[Antimage]

Kipchak hakan you also make threads about "polish turanids", how fucking ridiculous.

According to kipchak hakan half of europe is turanid:picard1:

[Proto-Shaman]

I read many of your posts and you always like to claim that smalle eyed europeans are turanids, don't deny it. I remember when you claimed an italian forum member was turanid
I don't think so. I don't even know you, so how would you know me? :rolleyes:

[Proto-Shaman]

Kipchak hakan you also make threads about "polish turanids", how fucking ridiculous.
There exists only one thread concerning this :picard1:


According to kipchak hakan half of europe is turanid:picard1:
No :picard1:

[Antimage]

Why do turks lie that everyone with round head and small eyes is turanid?

[Antimage]

There exists only one thread concerning this :picard1:


No :picard1:

You give thumbs up to illseeyouinhell who says this german is turanid.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

Why do turks lie that everyone with round head and small eyes is turanid?

Says half HUNgarian guy :picard1: If you don't want my Ottoman Slap talk no more

And we aren't doing this we don't care if Europeans has Turkic or other Asian things we just know they have some

[Antimage]

Says half HUNgarian guy :picard1: If you don't want my Ottoman Slap talk no more

And we aren't doing this we don't care if Europeans has Turkic or other Asian things we just know they have some

Sorry to burst your bubble but neither hungarians nor any other europeans are turanid.

Even you turks are barely turanid. Avarage turk looks middle eastern or caucasus

[Proto-Shaman]

Why do turks lie that everyone with round head and small eyes is turanid?
100% of the people I saw in this forum who said this were all non-Turk. Don't fool us here.

[Proto-Shaman]

You give thumbs up to illseeyouinhell who says this german is turanid.
I can give my thumb to every person I want. Problem with that?

[Proto-Shaman]

Sorry to burst your bubble but neither hungarians nor any other europeans are turanid.

Even you turks are barely turanid. Avarage turk looks middle eastern or caucasus
I know its hard to accept it my sockpuppet friend :rolleyes:
http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc122/grullaran/westturanid_zpsd366e887.png~original

[i'llseeyouinhell]

Sorry to burst your bubble but neither hungarians nor any other europeans are turanid.

Even you turks are barely turanid. Avarage turk looks middle eastern or caucasus


Look at the grandson of Atilla :picard1: shame on you you''ll be punished by him in the other side...


http://i.hizliresim.com/oZv9Yb.jpg


Not barely there are Turanids but not purely mixed with pontid,anatolid,dinarid kind of other things...

if you don't beileve me look all native people from Turkey

http://www.facity.com/istanbul/

http://www.facity.com/isparta/

http://www.facity.com/ankara/

http://www.facity.com/eski_ehir/

http://www.facity.com/izmir/

http://www.facity.com/antalya/

[Wild North]

My guess would be pred. alpine + perhaps some nordic influences.


Father German, mother Slavic-Polish.
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61068&d=1442528314
http://images.nzz.ch/eos/v2/image/view/620/-/text/inset/85c79a30/1.18521414/1428935136/guenter-grass1971.jpg
http://cache1.asset-cache.net/gc/138294337-g%C3%BCnter-grass-german-writer-1981-gettyimages.jpg?v=1&c=IWSAsset&k=2&d=Z0zsWpN2ukUDXYqF4boPJcZoOsowgtXmy7cvMPgql7qYNMAS Uh01XFgcx%2f2ogwRc3zrdO7kEhJNNJlmt%2fwIb12PLgn4xZZ %2boO9zb%2fcBgjf4%3d
http://www.anstendig.com/Writers/images/gunter_grass.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/03265/1959795_GUNTER_GRA_3265315b.jpg
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61066&d=1442518443
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61064&d=1442518346
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61065&d=1442518346
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=61063&d=1442518346
http://www.wdr2.de/guenter-grass-willy-brandt100_v-ARDFotogalerie.jpg
https://staff.imsa.edu/wlang/gr/gr3/exercises/images/grass2.jpg
http://bilder.t-online.de/b/64/93/95/58/id_64939558/610/tid_da/guenter-grass-oskar-lafontaine-1987.jpg

Actually Kashubian, as someone pointed out.. I don´t know much about the anthropology of Kashubians, anyone here will perhaps know more, however I assume that they may have a strong nordic influence, due to long time contacts with Norse / Germanic peoples.

[blubb]

http://www.geocities.ws/neckam2/Grass.html
Hier ist ein Bild der kaschubischen Mutter. Für mich sieht die richtig deutsch aus.

Isn't Tusk Kashubian too? Doesn't look stereotypically über-Slavic either

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/27/2014_-_Donald_Tusk_%2815%29.jpg

[blubb]

I see zer0 Turanid in him. those eyes are common among Alpines of his age. it could be only a coincidence of common traits between Alpines and Turanids. another one is the flatness of the face. Austrians have flattest faces in Europe, according to a scientific study

This, one must never forget about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution
Another famous example are the Ainu people which have some pseudo-Caucasoid traits but are genetically 100% East Asian/Mongoloid

[Antimage]

Look at the grandson of Atilla :picard1: shame on you you''ll be punished by him in the other side...


http://i.hizliresim.com/oZv9Yb.jpg


Not barely there are Turanids but not purely mixed with pontid,anatolid,dinarid kind of other things...

if you don't beileve me look all native people from Turkey

http://www.facity.com/istanbul/

http://www.facity.com/isparta/

http://www.facity.com/ankara/

http://www.facity.com/eski_ehir/

http://www.facity.com/izmir/

http://www.facity.com/antalya/

Hungarians have nothing to do with huns. Who told you that? Do they teach such bullshit in Turkey? You turks should learn real history.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I know that but this man isn't fit that he is different

''i heard before that a lot of times it has to do with the mother being drunk or something when you are born'' wtf :D

btw i wondered you can send me your pics

I have made classification threads before...and I have 0 Asian DNA (minus ANE that all Europeans get).

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I think the Turanid stuff is bullshit frankly.

No offense to my friend Kipchak.

I myself have been classified as 'Sami' all the time, but I don't have any Asian DNA so no, I'm not Asian...small eyes is not just an Asian trait, get over it. This is dumb pseudo science for 4 year olds.

Me nor my ancestors were "Turanids". I am as European as can be, all Europeans have some ANE DNA so if that means Turanid, I don't know, but it's present in all Europeans. I have some Kashubian ancestry too, like Grass. Kashubians are Slavs mixed with Germans.

Slavs have more ANE than other Europeans but not much. It's minimal. I don't think it matters...all Europeans are pretty close. Small eyes is present in all populations, it is not an indicator of Turanid genes.

[Antimage]

I think the Turanid stuff is bullshit frankly.

No offense to my friend Kipchak.

I myself have been classified as 'Sami' all the time, but I don't have any Asian DNA so no, I'm not Asian...small eyes is not just an Asian trait, get over it. This is dumb pseudo science for 4 year olds.

Me nor my ancestors were "Turanids". I am as European as can be, all Europeans have some ANE DNA so if that means Turanid, I don't know, but it's present in all Europeans. I have some Kashubian ancestry too, like Grass. Kashubians are Slavs mixed with Germans.

Slavs have more ANE than other Europeans but not much. It's minimal. I don't think it matters...all Europeans are pretty close. Small eyes is present in all populations, it is not an indicator of Turanid genes.


According to this "kipchak hakan" everyone in Europe with smaller eyes than avarage is turanid.

Look at this, he classified an italian girl as turanid xD http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?161958-May-I-be-really-turanid-And-how-did-Turanids-end-in-Italy&p=3429664&viewfull=1#post3429664

Also he always posts small eyed poles,germans and whatnot and desperately hopes they will be classified as turanid, such idiotic obsession

[Antimage]

Xabi Alonso(spaniard/basque) has wide has cheekbones and chinky eyes, must be the turanid genes in Iberians :D

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/54091.jpg
http://www.nemzetisport.hu/data/cikk/2/13/28/19/cikk_2132819/Xabi-Alonso-para-hugo-boss-2012-nagore-jon-son-real-madrid-futbol-jogadores.jpg

[Hungarian_master]

Xabi Alonso(spaniard/basque) has wide has cheekbones and chinky eyes, must be the turanid genes :D

http://img.uefa.com/imgml/TP/players/3/2012/324x324/54091.jpg
http://www.nemzetisport.hu/data/cikk/2/13/28/19/cikk_2132819/Xabi-Alonso-para-hugo-boss-2012-nagore-jon-son-real-madrid-futbol-jogadores.jpg

Xabi Alonso Atlantid+CM.

[Proto-Shaman]

According to this "kipchak hakan" everyone in Europe with smaller eyes than avarage is turanid.
Proof? I bet with you, you will not even find a single word :rolleyes:


Look at this, he classified an italian girl as turanid xD http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?161958-May-I-be-really-turanid-And-how-did-Turanids-end-in-Italy&p=3429664&viewfull=1#post3429664
You need a doctor. You have to heal your Turkophobia.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

Hungarians have nothing to do with huns. Who told you that? Do they teach such bullshit in Turkey? You turks should learn real history.

Have you ever tought that they washed your brain not ours?

Hard to understand some Hungarians are like you and other Hungarians like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYKtOQ3qp4

[Antimage]

Have you ever tought that they washed your brain not ours?

Hard to understand some Hungarians are like you and other Hungarians like:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBYKtOQ3qp4

Why only wannabe historians support this theory? and why acedemic scholars don't?

[blubb]

Once again, let's put a rest to this by looking at genetic data:

Eurogenes K8:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

East Eurasian
Hungary: 0.6%
Turkey: 4.3%
Turkmen: 19.1%
Uyghur: 42.1%


Eurogenes K12b:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/edit?hl=en_US#gid=0

East Asian - Siberian
Hungary: 0.3% - 0.7%
Turkey: 3.0% - 3.1%
Turkmen: 7.7% - 6.6%
Uyghur: 31.7% - 13.3%

So as you can see, "Turkic" isn't a genetic but only a linguistic identity, nothing else

[Proto-Shaman]

Why only wannabe historians support this theory? and why acedemic scholars don't?
Its the opposite xD (I don't know the sockpuppet of whom you are, but I will figure it out)

[Proto-Shaman]

Once again, let's put a rest to this by looking at genetic data:

Eurogenes K8:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

East Eurasian
Hungary: 0.6%
Turkey: 4.3%
Turkmen: 19.1%
Uyghur: 42.1%


Eurogenes K12b:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/edit?hl=en_US#gid=0

East Asian - Siberian
Hungary: 0.3% - 0.7%
Turkey: 3.0% - 3.1%
Turkmen: 7.7% - 6.6%
Uyghur: 31.7% - 13.3%

So as you can see, "Turkic" isn't a genetic but only a linguistic identity, nothing else
Thanks for the data, at least one person with common sense here.

[gültekin]

Once again, let's put a rest to this by looking at genetic data:

Eurogenes K8:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

East Eurasian
Hungary: 0.6%
Turkey: 4.3%
Turkmen: 19.1%
Uyghur: 42.1%


Eurogenes K12b:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/edit?hl=en_US#gid=0

East Asian - Siberian
Hungary: 0.3% - 0.7%
Turkey: 3.0% - 3.1%
Turkmen: 7.7% - 6.6%
Uyghur: 31.7% - 13.3%

So as you can see, "Turkic" isn't a genetic but only a linguistic identity, nothing else
bla bla bla, a sample of unknown 27 streetworkers from east cappadocia, still used by some retard imbeciles. lol you posting also outdated oracles. try hodoglugil samples and come back again.. or just watch my eurogenes K13...
at the end, so as you can see, you are a shit, and your samples are also shit. my Qyro frend

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 24.97
2 East_Med 24.4
3 West_Med 11.34
4 North_Atlantic 10.73
5 Baltic 9.23
6 Siberian 6.11
7 East_Asian 4.58
8 South_Asian 3.2
9 Red_Sea 2.52
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 1.02
12 Northeast_African 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 9.55
2 Azeri 13.18
3 Turkmen 14.74
4 Central_Greek 16.4
5 Kumyk 16.82
6 East_Sicilian 17.32
7 Italian_Abruzzo 17.77
8 Nogay 17.99
9 South_Italian 18.09
10 Ashkenazi 18.79
11 Greek_Thessaly 18.82
12 Kurdish 18.85
13 Iranian 19.55
14 Lebanese_Muslim 19.57
15 Armenian 19.82
16 Georgian_Jewish 19.83
17 Assyrian 20.03
18 Balkar 20.05
19 West_Sicilian 20.46
20 Syrian 20.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% Turkmen + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 3.32
2 54.3% Turkmen + 45.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.86
3 79.2% Turkish + 20.8% Tatar @ 3.86
4 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% La_Brana-1 @ 4.21
5 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 4.49
6 53.6% Nogay + 46.4% Cyprian @ 4.49
7 55.5% Turkmen + 44.5% South_Italian @ 4.5
8 83.3% Turkish + 16.7% Chuvash @ 4.52
9 85.4% Turkish + 14.6% Finnish @ 4.52
10 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
11 85.2% Turkish + 14.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.64
12 55.7% Nogay + 44.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.64
13 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.67
14 55.1% Turkmen + 44.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.69
15 53.9% Nogay + 46.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.73
16 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.76
17 58.8% Turkmen + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.78
18 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Mari @ 4.79
19 56.4% Nogay + 43.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.85
20 86% Turkish + 14% Estonian @ 4.87
...........
Eurogenes K12b Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the revised Eurogenes K12b model, created by Davidski (Polako). The old K12b model has been removed. Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes blog. We appreciate him making this excellent tool available here.

A map showing the K12b populations is available HERE.

Population descriptions are available HERE.

Kit Number: ,,,,,,,, Elapsed Time: 32.01 seconds


Population
Western European 8.46%
Siberian 5.11%
East African 0.15%
West Central Asian 12.44%
South Asian 1.95%
West African -
Caucasus 26.25%
Finnish 1.39%
Mediterranean 18.09%
Southwest Asian 9.29%
North European 10.48%
East Asian 6.38%

[Pennywise]

Have you ever tought that they washed your brain not ours?

Hard to understand some Hungarians are like you and other Hungarians like:



Hun-Magyar connection has no historical base. Huns were high possibly Turkic speakers.

[Pennywise]

Once again, let's put a rest to this by looking at genetic data:

Eurogenes K8:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

East Eurasian
Hungary: 0.6%
Turkey: 4.3%
Turkmen: 19.1%
Uyghur: 42.1%


Eurogenes K12b:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1GWhNZcfTQ2hMSK9Ni1IqG7aXHB00SRE5L6ED2osPs9M/edit?hl=en_US#gid=0

East Asian - Siberian
Hungary: 0.3% - 0.7%
Turkey: 3.0% - 3.1%
Turkmen: 7.7% - 6.6%
Uyghur: 31.7% - 13.3%

So as you can see, "Turkic" isn't a genetic but only a linguistic identity, nothing else

Is there any such thing exist as "genetic idendity"? Germanic, Turkic, Slavic etc. they all ethno-linguistic terms. Not genetic.

[i'llseeyouinhell]

Why only wannabe historians support this theory? and why acedemic scholars don't?

:picard1:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7g56j1T5G1rtr7zy.gif

[blubb]

bla bla bla, a sample of unknown 27 streetworkers from east cappadocia, still used by some retard imbeciles. lol you posting also outdated oracles. try hodoglugil samples and come back again.. or just watch my eurogenes K13...
at the end, so as you can see, you are a shit, and your samples are also shit. my Qyro frend

Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 West_Asian 24.97
2 East_Med 24.4
3 West_Med 11.34
4 North_Atlantic 10.73
5 Baltic 9.23
6 Siberian 6.11
7 East_Asian 4.58
8 South_Asian 3.2
9 Red_Sea 2.52
10 Amerindian 1.36
11 Oceanian 1.02
12 Northeast_African 0.55

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkish 9.55
2 Azeri 13.18
3 Turkmen 14.74
4 Central_Greek 16.4
5 Kumyk 16.82
6 East_Sicilian 17.32
7 Italian_Abruzzo 17.77
8 Nogay 17.99
9 South_Italian 18.09
10 Ashkenazi 18.79
11 Greek_Thessaly 18.82
12 Kurdish 18.85
13 Iranian 19.55
14 Lebanese_Muslim 19.57
15 Armenian 19.82
16 Georgian_Jewish 19.83
17 Assyrian 20.03
18 Balkar 20.05
19 West_Sicilian 20.46
20 Syrian 20.47

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 52.8% Turkmen + 47.2% Central_Greek @ 3.32
2 54.3% Turkmen + 45.7% East_Sicilian @ 3.86
3 79.2% Turkish + 20.8% Tatar @ 3.86
4 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% La_Brana-1 @ 4.21
5 85.5% Turkish + 14.5% East_Finnish @ 4.49
6 53.6% Nogay + 46.4% Cyprian @ 4.49
7 55.5% Turkmen + 44.5% South_Italian @ 4.5
8 83.3% Turkish + 16.7% Chuvash @ 4.52
9 85.4% Turkish + 14.6% Finnish @ 4.52
10 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Greek_Thessaly @ 4.61
11 85.2% Turkish + 14.8% Southwest_Finnish @ 4.64
12 55.7% Nogay + 44.3% Italian_Jewish @ 4.64
13 56.6% Turkmen + 43.4% Ashkenazi @ 4.67
14 55.1% Turkmen + 44.9% Italian_Abruzzo @ 4.69
15 53.9% Nogay + 46.1% Sephardic_Jewish @ 4.73
16 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Kargopol_Russian @ 4.76
17 58.8% Turkmen + 41.2% West_Sicilian @ 4.78
18 84.5% Turkish + 15.5% Mari @ 4.79
19 56.4% Nogay + 43.6% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.85
20 86% Turkish + 14% Estonian @ 4.87
...........
Eurogenes K12b Admixture Proportions

This utility uses the revised Eurogenes K12b model, created by Davidski (Polako). The old K12b model has been removed. Questions and comments about this model
should be directed to him at his Eurogenes blog. We appreciate him making this excellent tool available here.

A map showing the K12b populations is available HERE.

Population descriptions are available HERE.

Kit Number: ,,,,,,,, Elapsed Time: 32.01 seconds


Population
Western European 8.46%
Siberian 5.11%
East African 0.15%
West Central Asian 12.44%
South Asian 1.95%
West African -
Caucasus 26.25%
Finnish 1.39%
Mediterranean 18.09%
Southwest Asian 9.29%
North European 10.48%
East Asian 6.38%
So what, you are one of those Turks with above-average Mongoloid admixture (still nowhere close near Mongols or Han Chinese), which is perfectly fine.
Also, it's perfectly fine to associate with other people throughout Eurasia based on linguistic similarities alone (that's what pan-Turanism really is... or do any Turkey Turks still live in yurts? Didn't think so. And do more than 0.1% of the population, besides some edgy teens, really actually believe in Tengriism?), but if you try to sell yourselves as "same people" with Uyghurs, who are on average 10x more Mongoloid than you genetically, then you might want to be ready to except some disagreements.
Just accept that turks aren't mainly descended from Central Asian steppe invaders, but that your main descending component are Turkified native Anatolians (just as I have no problem with accepting that my region is mostly Germanised Celts (instead of "le pure Nordicks")

[blubb]

Is there any such thing exist as "genetic idendity"? Germanic, Turkic, Slavic etc. they all ethno-linguistic terms. Not genetic.

At least for Germanics and Slavs, the cluster is relatively close and the peoples are mostly descendant from similar genetic stocks, whereas "Turkics" can vary anywhere between 5 and 50% Mongol (considering average populations! Individually it may rank from 0 to 75% Mongol, such a wide spread is not to be found among Germanics, Slavs, Italics...)

[Pennywise]

At least for Germanics and Slavs, the cluster is relatively close and the peoples are mostly descendant from similar genetic stocks, whereas "Turkics" can vary anywhere between 5 and 50% Mongol (considering average populations! Individually it may rank from 0 to 75% Mongol, such a wide spread is not to be found among Germanics, Slavs, Italics...)

You obviously don't know the differences between Turkic, Mongol and Mongoloid. Turkic people don't have to be "Mongoloid" to be considered Turkic. This is not a requirement. The reason of the genetic differences between Turkic people is geographic variety. Germanics are clustering among themselves beacuse they are geographically close to each other. But they also cluster with their neighboors. That doesn't mean they're representing a "genetic idendity", since there is no such thing exist unless you are not an Eskimo or such.

[blubb]

You obviously don't know the differences between Turkic, Mongol and Mongoloid. Turkic people don't have to be "Mongoloid" to be considered Turkic. This is not a requirement. The reason of the genetic differences between Turkic people is geographic variety. Germanics are clustering among themselves beacuse they are geographically close to each other. But they also cluster with their neighboors. That doesn't mean they're representing a "genetic idendity", since there is no such thing exist unless you are not an Eskimo or such.

What I'm saying is that "Turkic" includes an extremely broad and heterogeneous variance of peoples (genetic), lifestyles and religions, with the common identification of all of them pretty much boiling down to linguistic similarity only. Now I understand that some modern-day Turks don't like to be grouped with the under-developed, war-torn Middle East (which they genetically, religiously and culturally belong to though), so they seek a replacement identity by associating with Central and even East Asians such as Uyghurs, based on language alone.
This association might be acceptable to some, but not to me. Even though I speak an Indo-European language, I don't feel close to Australoid Indians at all just because they speak a related language. Their lifestyle, culture, religion.... is vastly different from ours, language alone doesn't weigh out those massive differences

[Pennywise]

What I'm saying is that "Turkic" includes an extremely broad and heterogeneous variance of peoples (genetic), lifestyles and religions, with the common identification of all of them pretty much boiling down to linguistic similarity only. Now I understand that some modern-day Turks don't like to be grouped with the under-developed, war-torn Middle East (which they genetically, religiously and culturally belong to though), so they seek a replacement identity by associating with Central and even East Asians such as Uyghurs, based on language alone.
This association might be acceptable to some, but not to me. Even though I speak an Indo-European language, I don't feel close to Australoid Indians at all just because they speak a related language. Their lifestyle, culture, religion.... is vastly different from ours, language alone doesn't weigh out those massive differences

First of all, Turks do cluster with other Turkic peoples, according to the many calculators. Second of all, you can't compare a broad language family (Indo-European) with a certain ethno-linguistic group (Turkic). You feel close to Germanic people due to your alleged "genetic closeness" but that's ridiculous as hell either beacuse you neither have cultural nor historical similarity with other Germanics. But Turks have. It can be other way around too as you can see. Your logic and obviously knowledge contains many mistakes.

[RebelsSoul]

Eurasian facial features

[Böri]

What I'm saying is that "Turkic" includes an extremely broad and heterogeneous variance of peoples (genetic), lifestyles and religions, with the common identification of all of them pretty much boiling down to linguistic similarity only. Now I understand that some modern-day Turks don't like to be grouped with the under-developed, war-torn Middle East (which they genetically, religiously and culturally belong to though), so they seek a replacement identity by associating with Central and even East Asians such as Uyghurs, based on language alone.
This association might be acceptable to some, but not to me. Even though I speak an Indo-European language, I don't feel close to Australoid Indians at all just because they speak a related language. Their lifestyle, culture, religion.... is vastly different from ours, language alone doesn't weigh out those massive differences

Turkic people have mostly similar religion. Maybe not to Kazakhs or Yakuts but Turks are genetically more similar to Turkic peoples like Tatars or Turkmens than to people like Armenians, Assyrians or Kurds. Also you can't compare Turkic identity to the Indo-European identity, Turkic identity is similar to Germanic or Slavic identity.

[Antimage]

:picard1:

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m7g56j1T5G1rtr7zy.gif

Academic historians don't support the idea that hungarians are sons of attila, only armchair historians think so(on youtube and apricity). Hun-magyar connection simply has no basis.

[Antimage]

I like turks btw. I dislike turks who believe in the existence of german and italian turanids. Small eyes and roundish face do not equal asian admixture

[Pennywise]

I like turks btw. I dislike turks who believe in the existence of german and italian turanids. Small eyes and roundish face do not equal asian admixture

I've never saw a Turk who claims Germans and Italians are "Turanids". You are confusing somethings.