Classify Mexican girl Melanie Pavola

[Awebo]

From Monterrey, Nuevo León
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[spanish catalan]

alpine - cm

[Awebo]

Bump

[leisitox]

Alpine/CM+Atlanto-med

[Armand_Duval]

Alpine with some other elements perhaps as someone has just stated, some cromagnid and maybe an atlantid strain too.

[Armand_Duval]

I donno wht you guys are trying to prove by posting this kind of "mexicans" we alll now this kind of mexicans represent the .0000000000001% of the mexican population so they are not representative whatsoever.

:cool:

[Awebo]

I donno wht you guys are trying to prove by posting this kind of "mexicans" we alll now this kind of mexicans represent the .0000000000001% of the mexican population so they are not representative whatsoever.

:cool:
Not true! You forgot several more 0's in that percentage. xD

[RMuller]

Castiza

[RMuller]

She has Amerindian eye shape,cheek bones too.

http://i.imgur.com/6v4u735.jpg

[Demon Revival]

Cute girl. Looks around 30/20% Amerindian to me. Should be common enough in any country with sizable Amerindian/Euro admixed mixture proportions.

[Armand_Duval]

C'mon guys stop whitewashing amerindians.

[RMuller]

C'mon guys stop whitewashing amerindians.

Nobody says she is amerindian.
You did not see the picture i posted were her eye shape is amerindian influence?

[RMuller]

She has Amerindian eye shape,cheek bones too.

http://i.imgur.com/6v4u735.jpg

bump

[Demon Revival]

C'mon guys stop whitewashing amerindians.

From my perspective it is you who is white-washing. Saying that only 0.0001% look like this ironically, to somehow imply that this girl looks PURE EUROPID (when the Native traits are quite obvious, at least to me). She has quite light pigmentation tho, but that doesn't change things in the long run. Try imagining her with darker eyes and hair and you'll notice how common she looks in many LatAm nations.

[Awebo]

Pigmentation aside, she does have a common Mexican pheno and I also detect some Amerindian influence in her.

But I knew one or two members would gang up on me if I pointed it out, so I opted to wait and see if others saw it, too before saying anything.

[Tommy199]

Alpine

[Armand_Duval]

Quite obvious!!!???...C'mon...give me a fucking brake!!!.

[Demon Revival]

Quite obvious!!!???...C'mon...give me a fucking brake!!!.

Please... she could be the daughter or the sister of the girl in Rmuller signature.

[Awebo]

People often tend to underestimate (or completely discard) the Amerindian influence -if any- in Mexicans' phenos when they're attractive or are relatively lighter than the stereotype.

[Armand_Duval]

People often tend to underestimate (or completely discard) the Amerindian influence -if any- in Mexicans' phenos when they're attractive or are relatively lighter than the stereotype.

This woman wouldn't stick out among eastern euro gals, for instance Ukranians, she would fit, so then I guess Ukranians are "evidently amerind influenced".

[Ylla]

She is good looking. I would classify as Alpine-med with minor Amerindian influence (eyes).

[Antimage]

This woman wouldn't stick out among eastern euro gals, for instance Ukranians, she would fit, so then I guess Ukranians are "evidently amerind influenced".

why is it so important for her to pass in ukraine? she is a hottie either way.

[Armand_Duval]

why is it so important for her to pass in ukraine? she is a hottie either way.

I'm not saying it is "important" to pass in Ukrania or around, My point is that as they say she's mexican some people immediatly see the "amerind" admixture. Evidently bias play a role when talking about classifications.

Open a therad and just post her pictures without mentioning where's she fom and the classification would vary a lot.

[Gauthier]

This woman wouldn't stick out among eastern euro gals, for instance Ukranians, she would fit, so then I guess Ukranians are "evidently amerind influenced".

Look up her surname.

[JBoscherville]

I'm not saying it is "important" to pass in Ukrania or around, My point is that as they say she's mexican some people immediatly see the "amerind" admixture. Evidently bias play a role when talking about classifications.

Open a therad and just post her pictures without mentioning where's she fom and the classification would vary a lot.

That's true about most places here. Do you think she has no Amerindian ancestry? I'm curious as well would she be classed as 'white' in Mexico or do you guys call each other 'mestizos/castizos' etc.?

[Armand_Duval]

That's true about most places here. Do you think she has no Amerindian ancestry? I'm curious as well would she be classed as 'white' in Mexico or do you guys call each other 'mestizos/castizos' etc.?

Whether she has admixture or not, that's not the point, the point is: Does she really look evidently and straightforward mestiza?... IMHO she does not.


We actually call ourselves mestizos. A mexican naming himself white would be seen as racist if he actually looked white or would be mocked at if he actually looked admixed.

[Awebo]

This woman wouldn't stick out among eastern euro gals, for instance Ukranians, she would fit, so then I guess Ukranians are "evidently amerind influenced".
The fact that she would pass among Eastern Euros confirms that she has some Amerindian in her which gives her that pseudo-look. Otherwise she would just look Western Euro.

[Armand_Duval]

The fact that she would pass among Eastern Euros confirms that she has some Amerindian in her which gives her that pseudo-look. Otherwise she would just look Western Euro.

Don't let them read you.....

[JBoscherville]

Whether she has admixture or not, that's not the point, the point is: Does she really look evidently and straightforward mestiza?... IMHO she does not.


We actually call ourselves mestizos. A mexican naming himself white would be seen as racist if he actually looked white or would be mocked at if he actually looked admixed.

Mestiza no. She doesn't look half European, half Amerindian to me. Curious again, how do Mexicans feel about their European ancestry (and too a lesser extent Mexican-Americans)? Do they have a problem with it, don't really care either way, love it etc.? Sorry to ask so many questions :p

[Armand_Duval]

Mestiza no. She doesn't look half European, half Amerindian to me. Curious again, how do Mexicans feel about their European ancestry (and too a lesser extent Mexican-Americans)? Do they have a problem with it, don't really care either way, love it etc.? Sorry to ask so many questions :p

Nope, we do not have a problem with it.

Mestizo isn't understood in mexico as meanning "half and half", mestizo has become generic for people of some degree of admixture, thus we have people that range from pure amerid looking to pure caucasid looking selfasserting as mestizos.

[RMuller]

She is good looking. I would classify as Alpine-med with minor Amerindian influence (eyes).

Yes the eyes,cheek bones and flat face.

[Cristiano viejo]

Pretty. In the time of the conquistadores she would have been the girl of some of them for sure :love0034:
She has Amerindian traits but not too neither.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Alpine with some other elements perhaps as someone has just stated, some cromagnid and maybe an atlantid strain too.

This. Looks predominantly Caucasoid, Alpinid with Atlantid.

[King Niko]

white?

[Ylla]

Yes the eyes,cheek bones and flat face.
What about cheek bones gives amerindian vibe? I think high cheek bones can be found naturally in alpines

[Turkminator]

What about cheek bones gives amerindian vibe? I think high cheek bones can be found naturally in alpines

High cheekbones are dominantly inherited and show the Asian influence most clearly. More clearly than the Epikantus Medialis.

[StonyArabia]

She can pass in Turkey I think. She looks Atlanto-Med with Amerindian influence resembles some Metis girls I know.

[Gauthier]

That's true about most places here. Do you think she has no Amerindian ancestry? I'm curious as well would she be classed as 'white' in Mexico or do you guys call each other 'mestizos/castizos' etc.?

No, the terms mestizo, castizos, and so on are only used in anthro boards. Instead people go by skin tone; like Moreno (tanned), Moreno claro (pseudo tanned), Güero (white).

*Note, this may vary depending on the region.

Moreno
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Moreno claro
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Güero
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[Armand_Duval]

Yes the eyes,cheek bones and flat face.

Flat face???.

http://i.imgur.com/5XqMLt3.jpg

I donno what you're talking about...Flat face?. Her profile has the projection of an european face, you must be drinking too much early today.

[RMuller]

Flat face???.

http://i.imgur.com/5XqMLt3.jpg

I donno what you're talking about...Flat face?. Her profile has the projection of an european face, you must be drinking too much early today.

I don't drink. She shows amerindian influence. Nothing wrong with it.

[Awebo]

Don't let them read you.....
Why should they be offended? Even if she looked completely Caucasoid, how would you explain her passing better in places like Ukraine, Bulgaria, etc. to an extent than in Spain or France when it's well known that the overwhelming majority of European influence in Mexico is Western European? The answer is likely the work of some Amerindian influence.

[Armand_Duval]

I don't drink. She shows amerindian influence. Nothing wrong with it.

And according to you she also has a "flat face".... the only flat in this thread is your brain dude.

[Armand_Duval]

Why should they be offended? Even if she looked completely Caucasoid, how would you explain her passing better in places like Ukraine, Bulgaria, etc. to an extent than in Spain or France when it's well known that the overwhelming majority of European influence in Mexico is Western European? The answer is likely the work of some Amerindian influence.

Due to a simple fact: She migh have heritage frome one of those places....:picard1: Surname Pavola could be actually a corruption for Pavlova or something around those lines......maybe. I donno I'm just assuming. Surname Pavola doesn't ring the bell to me as hispanic.

[Carlito's Way]

LOL Armand_Duval cracks me up...

I agree with Awebo though, a pseudo pheno especially from the eastern part of Europe signifies amerindian admixture which alters the phenotype
but at the same time, we dont know about her background, i am basing myself on her surname, it could be very well a corruption of Pavlova

[Armand_Duval]

Look up her surname.

Muller migh say it is of Maya or Aztec derivation perhaps.:picard2:


I donno It is not that I dont like Muller it is only that I think on one hand he acts as an Indigenist and on the other hand It looks like he's trying to make pass plainly predominantly european phenotypes as straighforward and evidently amerind influenced, I donno on what intentions, looks like a subtle way of whitewashing me thinks.:)

[Armand_Duval]

LOL Armand_Duval cracks me up...

I agree with Awebo though, a pseudo pheno especially from the eastern part of Europe signifies amerindian admixture which alters the phenotype
but at the same time, we dont know about her background, i am basing myself on her surname, it could be very well a corruption of Pavlova

What is the laughable on my assertions?. I am just explaining my reasons and my point of view on a significant logical way.

I think these kind of threads try to portray mestizos as just some group of a bit exotic looking caucasians.

[Awebo]

LOL Armand_Duval cracks me up...

I agree with Awebo though, a pseudo pheno especially from the eastern part of Europe signifies amerindian admixture which alters the phenotype
but at the same time, we dont know about her background, i am basing myself on her surname, it could be very well a corruption of Pavlova
I believe Pavola could be a very rare Italian surname. http://www.heraldrysinstitute.com/cognomi/Pavola/Italia/idc/852848/lang/en/

Another possibility could be a corruption of the Finnish surname Paavola -with one of the a's being removed.

Armand will keep insisting it's Pavlova. God forbid she have any Amerindian in her. xD

[Carlito's Way]

What is the laughable on my assertions, I am just explaining my reasons and my point of view on a significant logical way.

you get heated up too easily in these kind of threads



I think this kind of threads try to portray mestizos as just some group of a bit exotic looking caucasians.

nah, I know Awebo isnt like that, but I do agree with him that certain pseudo phenotypes in Mexicans are a result of Amerindian admixture
just how there are Caribbean Hispanics who look North African, why do you think they give that pseudo phenotype? it is because of their SSA admixture that alters their phenotype

[Armand_Duval]

I believe Pavola could be a very rare Italian surname. http://www.heraldrysinstitute.com/cognomi/Pavola/Italia/idc/852848/lang/en/

Another possibility could be a corruption of the Finnish surname Paavola -with one of the a's being removed.

Armand will keep insisting it's Pavlova. God forbid she have any Amerindian in her. xD


I just used it as an example, however you, yourself are agreeing with me about some non hispanic heritage in her which migh be the reason for her non matching the traditional western european influenced phenotypes in most of our castizos or euromestizos or whatever you want to call them.

My point is that when someone looks a bit exotic and turns out mexican then people say: "It must be to amerind influenced duh!".

[Armand_Duval]

you get heated up too easily in these kind of threads



nah, I know Awebo isnt like that, but I do agree with him that certain pseudo phenotypes in Mexicans are a result of Amerindian admixture
just how there are Caribbean Hispanics who look North African, why do you think they give that pseudo phenotype? it is because of their SSA admixture that alters their phenotype


Not really that haeted, I only get kind of annoyed when I read nonsense, do you honestly see her as a flat faced straightforward amerind influenced Carlos?.

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[Awebo]

What is the laughable on my assertions?. I am just explaining my reasons and my point of view on a significant logical way.

I think these kind of threads try to portray mestizos as just some group of a bit exotic looking caucasians.

Not true. Like Carlos and I have explained, it's not uncommon for Amerindian admixture to produce pseudo phenos.

If you're going to discard any possible Amerindian in Mexicans who could convincingly pass better in Eastern and Southeastern Europe, the Levant, etc. than in Western Europe and prefer to believe they absolutely must have ancestry from these places -which for the most part isn't the case- then full caucasoids are much more numerous than popular belief.

[RebelsSoul]

Southern European and eastern European mix. Im sorry I don't see where people see American Indian

[XvThomas_LysergicV]

I wouldn't have guessed Mexican. You don't see Mexicans like this that often unless they have one white parent or at least where I live. She looks mostly white. The only non white feature I see is her skin pigmentation in some pictures. Doesn't tan like most of the Europeans in this country.

[Diocletian]

I know a Mexican girl kind of looking like her. She has blue amerindian eyes, pale white skin, high cheekbones and smoking hot plump lips. She could easily pass as a Russian who you would think might have maybe some Asian/Mongoloid/Tatar bloodline.

[de Burgh II]

Alpinized Atlantid + CM with some Amerindian influence thrown into the mix (Castizo).

[Demon Revival]

Pathetic to see beaners completely negate any amerindian influence no matter how obvious it is. Sad. LMAO @ people saying that without stating her nationality she would be guessed a Ukrainian. Bitch, since when full Iberians look Ukrainian?

Basically every single feature she has looks at least slightly amerindian influenced. What's the matter? Are you really that desperate to make a point that Mexicans with ZERO AMERINDIAN TRAITS THAT ARE FULL EUROPID exist? Why such insistence? If you are going to get all spergmaster about it, at least be careful to choose anyone that actually looks fully metrically caucasian.

This is ridiculous man, stop this tirade.

[Carlito's Way]

Not really that haeted, I only get kind of annoyed when I read nonsense, do you honestly see her as a flat faced straightforward amerind influenced Carlos?.

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her face isnt flat at all, i agree with you on that one

[Carlito's Way]

Southern European and eastern European mix. Im sorry I don't see where people see American Indian


its because of the pseudo-pheno she is giving, like you mentioned yourself, to you she looks like an Eastern European mixed with Southern European
what ancestry would she get that pseudo Eastern European from? the Spaniards? Spaniards hardly have pseudo Eastern European people, so its not coming from them
this is where we suggest that its due to a slight Amerindian influence which alters her phenotype just a bit

but then again, shes from a city where the people are a mixture of Spanish, Portuguese, Italian, Sephardi Jewish and Amerindian (well the African as well but very minimal 1-3%)

This mexican from her city has deep roots in that city, and as you will see on his Country of Ancestry matches, high Italian, high Portuguese, high Spanish matches and also the Ashkenazi showing on his DNA
http://i.imgur.com/6DjqxJC.png
http://i.imgur.com/0kfkN5p.png

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

What is the laughable on my assertions?. I am just explaining my reasons and my point of view on a significant logical way.

I think these kind of threads try to portray mestizos as just some group of a bit exotic looking caucasians.
I agree about that of some Mexicans who looks predominantly European with only some Amerindian that don't really show are portray as mestizos. In the real world, she would be just another Caucasoid female, maybe consider a bit exotic looking Caucasoid, just how some models also Euro models are seen as "exotic".
Anyway, I agree, she don't really look mestiza, I mean textbook mestiza.

[Armand_Duval]

I don't have anything else to say in regards this subject. The one that thinks I just want to deny the amerindian admixture in mexicans has missed my point or perhaps I wan't able to clearly stablish what my point is.

Period.

[Peter Nirsch]

fake boobs

[Berahthraban]

I definitely see Amerind influence, even though Euro is pred.

[alnortedelsur]

Alpine-med + slight Amerindian (don't know which Amerindian sub type)

Very pretty.

[Neon Knight]

'Cocina Mediterranea' indeed.

[GiCa]

i dont see native american admix, but she could have it.
she looks central european or russian
her friend looks euro-chinese (euro-asian).. or could it be native american-euro?

[Raikaswinþs]

bendita pseudociencia lol.

[Awebo]

:bump2:

[RMuller]

her friend looks euro-chinese (euro-asian).. or could it be native american-euro?

Her friend looks Mexican so Euro-amerindian mix.

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

I'm not saying it is "important" to pass in Ukrania or around, My point is that as they say she's mexican some people immediatly see the "amerind" admixture. Evidently bias play a role when talking about classifications.

Open a therad and just post her pictures without mentioning where's she fom and the classification would vary a lot.
Yes. Your right. It's true and I made this thread here to give it a test, posting the pictures and just say one of them is this or that but without saying who is who and the guesses vary. Some guess correct and others not, but and some got some right, while others wrong. Here is the threads I made:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?185058-Test-Guess-My-relative-French-Sardinian-and-Southern-Italian

I have put a picture of a relative who is from Mexico(North-Central Mexico) there, in the mix with two French and two Sardinians and 1 South Italian, and It seems some confused them for one another, One there said 1 "looks Mexican"...but she is French, lol. 2. I have reveal the answers already, 2. was my relative.
But yeah, not just this thread but others one I have made too. So, Yes. If they say she's mexican some people immediately see the "amerind" admixture. Even if shows little to none. Yeah bias play a role when talking about classifications.