Classify flemish politician Filip Dewinter

[Lawalye]

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[spanish catalan]

borreby

[Cristiano viejo]

I he was Spaniard, and he could be, he would be classified as Berid.

[Lawalye]

I he was Spaniard, and he could be, he would be classified as Berid.

He would be pleased to heard that.


I personally think that he looks british :

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[Damião de Góis]

Not that i know dutch or anything, but shouldn't his surname be De Winter?

[Lawalye]

Not that i know dutch or anything, but shouldn't his surname be De Winter?

You can find names with a space after the "De" or without, there's nothing abnormal.

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filip_Dewinter

[Cristiano viejo]

He would be pleased to heard that.

Wallons are appreciated by me because they fought in the Spanish armies in the XVI and XVII centuries against Protestants and French.
Being this guy Flemish...

[Lawalye]

Wallons are appreciated by me because they fought in the Spanish armies in the XVI and XVII centuries against Protestants and French.
Being this guy Flemish...

Some flemish too, don't forget that the seperation between Netherlands and Belgium is based on religion.

Flanders is catholic.

[Cristiano viejo]

Some flemish too, don't forget that the seperation between Netherlands and Belgium is based on religion.
Yes but I thought Flanders was Protestant.


Flanders is catholic.
As I say I did not know. I am happy with this, at least the Spanish adventure there had some sense for Flemish too.

By the way, why is then the attemps of separation between Wallonia and Flanders?
Are you Walloon or Flemish?

[Lawalye]

Yes but I thought Flanders was Protestant.


As I say I did not know. I am happy with this, at least the Spanish adventure there had some sense for Flemish too.

Here's a religious map of the Benelux :

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/443027cartereligionsbenelux.png (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=443027cartereligionsbenelux.png)



By the way, why is then the attemps of separation between Wallonia and Flanders?

Linguistic separation:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Languages_Benelux.PNG


Are you Walloon or Flemish?

I'm both.

[Cristiano viejo]

Here's a religious map of the Benelux :

http://img11.hostingpics.net/pics/443027cartereligionsbenelux.png (http://www.hostingpics.net/viewer.php?id=443027cartereligionsbenelux.png)




Linguistic separation:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/82/Languages_Benelux.PNG



I'm both.
Ah ok now I understand.
Also I guess most of Belgians are both Wallons and Flemish or am I wrong?

[Lawalye]

Ah ok now I understand.
Also I guess most of Belgians are both Wallons and Flemish or am I wrong?

Kind of, many have origins from the other region but are mostly from their own area.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Wallons are appreciated by me because they fought in the Spanish armies in the XVI and XVII centuries against Protestants and French.
Being this guy Flemish...

aha...Irish fought too in those wars, I think. I think some distant cousins were in some war, fighting Protestants, I believe it was the Dutch they were fighting. The Irish regiment, I don't know what army..

[Lawalye]

aha...Irish fought too in those wars, I think. I think some distant cousins were in some war, fighting Protestants, I believe it was the Dutch they were fighting. The Irish regiment, I don't know what army..

Probably this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Brigade_(France) in the french army.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Probably this : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Brigade_(France) in the french army.

No, I remember now, it was this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Flanders

it wasn't actually an Irish regiment, it's just some Irish guys joined it (my cousins being one of them).

[Cristiano viejo]

aha...Irish fought too in those wars, I think. I think some distant cousins were in some war, fighting Protestants, I believe it was the Dutch they were fighting. The Irish regiment, I don't know what army..

Yes, there were Irish fighting along Spaniards against Protestants :thumb001:
In the Spanish armies there were a lot of nacionalities, Spaniards ofc, Italians, Wallons, Irish, Portuguese, Croatians and German, French and even English Catholics.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Yes, there were Irish fighting along Spaniards against Protestants :thumb001:
In the Spanish armies there were a lot of nacionalities, Spaniards ofc, Italians, Wallons, Irish, Portuguese, Croatians and German, French and even English Catholics.

Yes, I remember now, my ancestors were in the Spanish Army of Flanders.

[Cristiano viejo]

Yes, I remember now, my ancestors were in the Spanish Army of Flanders.
hahaha I dont know if you are joking but it could be, why not?

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

hahaha I dont know if you are joking but it could be, why not?

What do you mean? That was a real army, look it up. They weren't actually Flemish people, silly. They just called it that.

[Lawalye]

No, I remember now, it was this:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_of_Flanders

it wasn't actually an Irish regiment, it's just some Irish guys joined it (my cousins being one of them).

Seems that they fucked up :

"On 4 November 1576, mutinying Spanish tercios began the sack of Antwerp, leading to three days of horror among the population of the city, which was the cultural, economic and financial center of the Netherlands. The savagery of the sack led the provinces of the Low Countries to unite against the Spanish crown. The devastation also caused Antwerp's decline as the leading city in the region and paved the way for Amsterdam's rise."

"This shocking event stiffened many in the Netherlands, even many Catholics, against the Spanish Habsburg monarchy; and further tarnished Philip's declining reputation. The States General, influenced by the sack, signed the Pacification of Ghent only 4 days later, unifying the rebellious provinces with the loyal provinces with the goal of removing all Spanish soldiers from the Netherlands, as well as stopping the persecution of heretics. This effectively destroyed every accomplishment the Spanish had made in the past 10 years, since the start of the Dutch Revolt."

Seems that they were responsible of the independance of Netherlands .

[XenophobicPrussian]

Keltid?

Does that even exist(a Keltid-Nordid basically but pigmented and less long headed)? Passes in British Isles, Benelux, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Seems that they fucked up :

"On 4 November 1576, mutinying Spanish tercios began the sack of Antwerp, leading to three days of horror among the population of the city, which was the cultural, economic and financial center of the Netherlands. The savagery of the sack led the provinces of the Low Countries to unite against the Spanish crown. The devastation also caused Antwerp's decline as the leading city in the region and paved the way for Amsterdam's rise."

"This shocking event stiffened many in the Netherlands, even many Catholics, against the Spanish Habsburg monarchy; and further tarnished Philip's declining reputation. The States General, influenced by the sack, signed the Pacification of Ghent only 4 days later, unifying the rebellious provinces with the loyal provinces with the goal of removing all Spanish soldiers from the Netherlands, as well as stopping the persecution of heretics. This effectively destroyed every accomplishment the Spanish had made in the past 10 years, since the start of the Dutch Revolt."

Seems that they were responsible of the independance of Netherlands .

Oh well, that's my family for yah. Murphy's Law.

"If something bad can happen, it will."

[Lawalye]

Oh well, that's my family for yah. Murphy's Law.

"If something bad can happen, it will."

It was not only the irish regiment, it was the entire army of flanders.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

It was not only the irish regiment, it was the entire army of flanders.

I'm sure the Irish regiment was responsible for what happened, somehow. In fact I would go as far as to say it all started because my ancestor said something. xD

[Cristiano viejo]

What do you mean? That was a real army, look it up. They weren't actually Flemish people, silly. They just called it that.
I know. But it made me fun that you suddenly remembered that fact (your ancestors fighting in Flanders) ;)




Seems that they were responsible of the independance of Netherlands .
Well, thanks to Spaniards there are Catholics in Belgium, Germany or France.
Without the Spanish participation, Protestants had been extinguished that religion in those countries.

[Lawalye]

Well, thanks to Spaniards there are Catholics in Belgium, Germany or France.
Without the Spanish participation, Protestants had been extinguished that religion in those countries.

Probably not, they were few protestants in the southern netherlands, see the south of modern netherlands is still catholic.

And about France, they cleaned them by their own.

[Lawalye]

Keltid?

Does that even exist(a Keltid-Nordid basically but pigmented and less long headed)? Passes in British Isles, Benelux, France, Germany, Switzerland, Austria.

Keltized borreby maybe.

[Cristiano viejo]

Probably not, they were few protestants in the southern netherlands, see the south of modern netherlands is still catholic.

And about France, they cleaned them by their own.

There were few Protestants everywhere but they grew like mushrooms anywhere.
I have zero doubts if they had been able to do it, they had eradicated the Catholicism in all these countries.
And without Spain, they had done it. That is why Habsburgs from Austria called Spain to fight in Central Europe or Catholic French to fight there.
If they had not needed the participation of Spain, they would have not called us.

[Lawalye]

There were few Protestants everywhere but they grew like mushrooms anywhere.
I have zero doubts if they had been able to do it, they had eradicated the Catholicism in all these countries.
And without Spain, they had done it. That is why Habsburgs from Austria called Spain to fight in Central Europe or Catholic French to fight there.
If they had not needed the participation of Spain, they would have not called us.

Sad that they didn't sucdeed to invade Britain.

[Dandelion]

Yes but I thought Flanders was Protestant.


Funny you should mention. One Portuguese member here also once claimed he thought this. He assumed: "Germanic = Protestant and Latin = Catholic". Very odd anyone would think this.

Language did play a role in the spread of Protestantism, true, but don't underestimate the Catholic reactionism from within. And language didn't play an all-defining role neither.
Also, Catholicism even prevailed in as far North as in Gelderland. Interestingly, most Dutch people who pronounce their Gs softly are of Catholic background where those who pronounce it harshly of Protestant. Generally the case.

[Bloody]

He would be pleased to heard that.


I personally think that he looks british :

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Looks between british and northern french.. Keltic + borreby + atlantid

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

I know. But it made me fun that you suddenly remembered that fact (your ancestors fighting in Flanders)

I googled it. There's a wiki page for my ancestors that talks about it.

[Cristiano viejo]

Sad that they didn't sucdeed to invade Britain.

Not to invade England meant that Protestantism emerged victorious there but that only was one of the Spanish goals in that war, and the only one where Spain failed.

Spain ended up winning that war (Anglo-Spanish war 1585-1604), England asked for the peace and the result of the Treaty of London was much more favourable for Spain than for England.
According the Treaty of London https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_London_(1604),
England got Spain refused to intervene in religious affairs in England but

1)England renounced lend any help to the Netherlands.
2)opened up the English Channel to the Spanish shipping.
3)forbade its subjects to carry goods from Spain to the Netherlands or vice versa.
4)promised to suspend the activities of the English pirates in the Atlantic Ocean.

What happens is that the British historiography is only interested in talking about the episode of the failed invasion of England :rolleyes:

[bozkur]

Not that i know dutch or anything, but shouldn't his surname be De Winter?

Common in many Dutch surnames.