Southwestern European Faces - Iberian peninsula (Spain and Portugal) S. France and Sardinia

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t35.0-12/12025765_1055284851179174_2103537255_o.jpg?oh=85d1 dab9ec923c22c06e7b163c9bdfca&oe=5601D68A
(one there is Gypsy origin)
Spaniards;
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t35.0-12/12050946_1055283274512665_514423585_o.jpg?oh=2af48 621482bcca26c0e23b05d1e102e&oe=5601A726
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t35.0-12/12025858_1055282684512724_1995011267_o.jpg?oh=cd3b dc6ee3ca2ee84a5fd90cd8ba7541&oe=5601BE57
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t35.0-12/12041183_1055283277845998_703004029_o.jpg?oh=1809a 11d3e8d1706383646f7d72c8248&oe=560184C8
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/12048974_1055284421179217_1226866929_n.jpg?oh=b5ac 39667ab9a28e4da57c9e4520e013&oe=56017A64
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t34.0-12/12023036_1055284417845884_2057144856_n.jpg?oh=91bc 69f6b6417555dee5dbc884c3f329&oe=56017300
Portuguese
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12021999_1055283141179345_1303308711_n.jpg?oh=7082 5f6cb3d75ba9241b62aa3396eb0a&oe=5601C872
(one there is non-native, black)
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t34.0-12/12047727_1055283051179354_12068574_n.jpg?oh=91219a 7eb5ea64afacb002c1cddf7878&oe=5601CFFF
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t35.0-12/12019191_1055286494512343_1512144692_o.jpg?oh=8fff 19e44d1f497367dca0c4d638faa3&oe=5600AF8A

https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/12016583_1055321021175557_1422734373_n.jpg?oh=3b03 1bfd96bcbb5b92c90d0659dcd7d6&oe=5601E383

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

French (S. France)
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpl1/v/t34.0-12/12041672_1055295707844755_1286607710_n.jpg?oh=231d d0386d3c71b89d8f777addd26a02&oe=5601B02E
https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpt1/v/t34.0-12/12028985_1055288584512134_555883837_n.jpg?oh=0f957 6349226d3853accd2145db30eb1&oe=56019E1C&__gda__=1442963055_52b1f78d5386ea3029038cfceddac05 e
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t35.0-12/12019209_1055324704508522_1938854097_o.jpg?oh=5f96 f26551b51bc0fcfda2f3aa32b187&oe=56019D5E

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Sardinians;
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t34.0-12/12042201_1055284834512509_1413960358_n.jpg?oh=2641 5612a8bde769e8534ab95c567ebd&oe=56016B5B
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xta1/v/t34.0-12/12047426_1055284821179177_1415545080_n.jpg?oh=6b26 f965914000d5e72f1f9248fbacb3&oe=56019AA3
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12023162_1055284801179179_1404934938_n.jpg?oh=4960 ad748b462544f492fd44560af587&oe=56017AFB

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Spaniards;
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12029190_1055312347843091_232972419_n.jpg?oh=bf218 55e9f6ea86d2ce672f3e42ed89f&oe=560189DB
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t34.0-12/12048609_1055312407843085_708632705_n.jpg?oh=0346a 723da2436cd57c3ea81af875818&oe=5601811A
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t35.0-12/12043936_1055315471176112_344767037_o.jpg?oh=a51cc de3373ed0b9f2614a1e956af6a3&oe=56017FC5
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpt1/v/t35.0-12/12050706_1055317374509255_1890045854_o.jpg?oh=df8b 55907db8bcdd41673462974f4a6e&oe=5601A535
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t34.0-12/12033510_1055314941176165_12307800_n.jpg?oh=b08ee5 db3f9031c391fa85a7c1e8b880&oe=56016C11

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Portuguese;
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12032295_1055322881175371_1302286242_n.jpg?oh=be58 c42ea74e859cf31c526ef71fc402&oe=5601A1DD
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfp1/v/t34.0-12/12033787_1055323704508622_2102477794_n.jpg?oh=c2ba 09381fcc3b67fde8e950b0769739&oe=5601D957
https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xat1/v/t34.0-12/12033587_1055321927842133_43754471_n.jpg?oh=7ec85c 9de22f3561b80996076be4be3f&oe=560171FF

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Spaniards;
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t34.0-12/10000123_1055398107834515_1812535983_n.jpg?oh=991e 2bd8a948a62a514b2ceeab5af714&oe=560171E2
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t34.0-12/12025469_1055398177834508_214738717_n.jpg?oh=deeef 1e15400cb8b1780edd98d6e3d0e&oe=5601B371
French (S. French)
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12025515_1055398227834503_759841232_n.jpg?oh=f2e10 f68797bb0bba9e6c67b2b859550&oe=56019BC4
Sardinians;
https://scontent-mia1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t34.0-12/12000105_1055398294501163_614746120_n.jpg?oh=6ce7b 222ed4bedd978356b8bfcdd2a71&oe=560275B9

[alnortedelsur]

Yeah, I think Sardinians and Southern French are the closest people to Iberians, more than any other human group, NOT Moroccans, LOL.

Then, Northern and Central Italians would follow.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Yeah, I think Sardinians and Southern French are the closest people to Iberians, more than any other human group, NOT Moroccans, LOL.

Then, Northern and Central Italians would follow.

Sardinians cluster close to iberians gentically , im not sure how close though . lol at morrocans , its a fact they dont .. Any user who thinks the two are similar are trolls

[guyinsf]

One problem with posting large group shots of French people, especially those from the southern regions is that the likelihood of individuals in any given photo being mixed with Iberian and/or Italian heritage is VERY high!

[Damião de Góis]

Yeah, I think Sardinians and Southern French are the closest people to Iberians, more than any other human group, NOT Moroccans, LOL.

Then, Northern and Central Italians would follow.

If you mean genetically, and considering i don't deviate too much from the iberian norm, then distances are as follow (Eurogenes K13 and EUTest):

K13

# Population (source) Distance
1 Portuguese 2.47
2 Spanish_Extremadura 3.4
3 Spanish_Cataluna 3.71
4 Spanish_Murcia 3.82
5 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 3.89
6 Spanish_Galicia 4.22
7 Spanish_Valencia 4.44
8 Spanish_Andalucia 4.94
9 Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha 5.17
10 Spanish_Cantabria 6.44
11 Spanish_Aragon 7.94
12 North_Italian 8.53
13 Southwest_French 8.75
14 French 9.38
15 Tuscan 14.39
16 West_German 15.36
17 South_Dutch 15.43
18 French_Basque 19.37
19 Southeast_English 19.82
20 Romanian 19.96


EUTest

# Population (source) Distance
1 PT 3.63
2 ES 4.84
3 North_Italian 7.41
4 FR 8.04
5 Tuscan 12.59
6 AT 15.61
7 Cornish 16.71
8 West_&_Central_German 17.07
9 NL 17.43
10 RO 17.55
11 Serbian 17.67
12 English 17.99
13 HU 18.78
14 French_Basque 18.93
15 Orcadian 19.53
16 IE 19.58
17 Scottish 20.62
18 DK 21.06
19 South_Italian_&_Sicilian 22.6
20 NO 22.9

[Mn The Loki TA Son]

Spaniards;
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xtp1/v/t35.0-12/12020338_1055868547787471_1314508809_o.jpg?oh=f8d7 e268641a1e8b446474fa96dd5d54&oe=56030A24
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/v/t34.0-12/12025335_1055867404454252_1280327800_n.jpg?oh=5674 f510b858d6e932babaf2e2ac9c59&oe=560320D0
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfa1/v/t34.0-12/12025460_1055904087783917_1548978879_n.jpg?oh=abd0 7c9a4460b1b958565cf644ff4b2d&oe=5602DF29
https://scontent-ord1-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xfl1/v/t34.0-12/12047565_1055849517789374_1595048962_n.jpg?oh=d91b a6ac54fa38729433e2b2f755d088&oe=56031256

[Jupiter]

Of course the Portuguese and Spaniards are white. The nonwhites of Europe are the Italians and Greeks. Since the end of Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire (white civilisations), the ex-slaves from Africa and the Middle East mixed with the original white people of Greece and Italy, plus the nonwhite invasions that happened after the race mixing with those nonwhite slaves. All that brought a lot of nonwhite admixtures to Italy and Greece. Average Spaniards are whiter than average Italians and Greeks, not only on the skin colour but also DNA. Italians and Greeks have the most Arabic and Turkish DNA of Europe, according to autosomal DNA tests. It's been proven by autosomal DNA that Italians and Greeks have Semitic and Anatolian admixture, that's why so many of them have naturally brown skin, very long Armenoid noses, black hair and Arabic eyebrows. Spaniards, on the other hand, have clean European blood, much more European than Italians and Greeks, who are the mongrels of Europe.

West Asian (Armenoid/Turkish) admixture in Europe:

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif

Southwest Asian (Arabian) admixture in Europe:

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

Caucasian (from the Caucasus countries such as Armenia and Azerbaijan) admixture in Europe:

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Caucasian-admixture.gif

Source: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml

Spaniards are average white people:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/thumb/msid-36799518,width-310,resizemode-4/spaniards-stunned-by-2-0-world-cup-loss-to-chile.jpg
http://uploadir.com/u/m876c4
http://www.sharatjaswal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/spain-euro2008-fans.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii232/TERESA7_album/FORUM-1%20TO%20041408/FORUM-6%20WYD2008/0720-RANDWICK-SPANIARDS-2A.jpg

Italians are Arabic-looking brown people:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/608x342/p01m62kx.jpg
https://thuleanperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/20070916111234_sicilian_man_sigar.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii100/oussoura/andreasandreou310191_2470070189002_1169766568_2937 870_1895238581_n.jpg
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/PA-5608367.jpg

[alnortedelsur]

Of course the Portuguese and Spaniards are white. The nonwhites of Europe are the Italians and Greeks. Since the end of Ancient Greece and the Roman Empire (white civilisations), the ex-slaves from Africa and the Middle East mixed with the original white people of Greece and Italy, plus the nonwhite invasions that happened after the race mixing with those nonwhite slaves. All that brought a lot of nonwhite admixtures to Italy and Greece. Average Spaniards are whiter than average Italians and Greeks, not only on the skin colour but also DNA. Italians and Greeks have the most Arabic and Turkish DNA of Europe, according to autosomal DNA tests. It's been proven by autosomal DNA that Italians and Greeks have Semitic and Anatolian admixture, that's why so many of them have naturally brown skin, very long Armenoid noses, black hair and Arabic eyebrows. Spaniards, on the other hand, have clean European blood, much more European than Italians and Greeks, who are the mongrels of Europe.

West Asian (Armenoid/Turkish) admixture in Europe:

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/West-Asian-admixture.gif

Southwest Asian (Arabian) admixture in Europe:

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Southwest-Asian-admixture.gif

Caucasian (from the Caucasus countries such as Armenia and Azerbaijan) admixture in Europe:

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Caucasian-admixture.gif

Source: http://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml

Spaniards are average white people:

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/thumb/msid-36799518,width-310,resizemode-4/spaniards-stunned-by-2-0-world-cup-loss-to-chile.jpg
http://uploadir.com/u/m876c4
http://www.sharatjaswal.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/spain-euro2008-fans.jpg
http://i265.photobucket.com/albums/ii232/TERESA7_album/FORUM-1%20TO%20041408/FORUM-6%20WYD2008/0720-RANDWICK-SPANIARDS-2A.jpg

Italians are Arabic-looking brown people:

http://ichef.bbci.co.uk/images/ic/608x342/p01m62kx.jpg
https://thuleanperspective.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/20070916111234_sicilian_man_sigar.jpg
http://i262.photobucket.com/albums/ii100/oussoura/andreasandreou310191_2470070189002_1169766568_2937 870_1895238581_n.jpg
http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/PA-5608367.jpg

That's bullshit, most Italians are fair brunettes that are very well into the European phenotypic spectrum. Most Italians and their diaspora, are beautiful people that don't deserve to be trolled because of the morons from Italic rats.

I dislike the bunch of idiots from Italic retards, always claiming all kind of bull crap about Iberians, but trolling Italians is not the way to respond back to their idiocies.

Thank you for talking so well about Iberians...

but really... stop already with all this shit.

[SupaThug]

That's bullshit, most Italians are fair brunettes that are very well into the European phenotypic spectrum. Most Italians and their diaspora, are beautiful people that don't deserve to be trolled because of the morons from Italic rats.

I dislike the bunch of idiots from Italic retards, always claiming all kind of bull crap about Iberians, but trolling Italians is not the way to respond back to their idiocies.

Thank you for talking so well about Iberians...

but really... stop already with all this shit.

That guy Jupiter is an OWDer who enjoys sucking nordic dicks,anything comming from him is BS:http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?184475-Alpinids-and-Mediterranids-Are-MIXED-RACE

[Jupiter]

That's bullshit, most Italians are fair brunettes that are very well into the European phenotypic spectrum. Most Italians and their diaspora, are beautiful people that don't deserve to be trolled because of the morons from Italic rats.

I dislike the bunch of idiots from Italic retards, always claiming all kind of bull crap about Iberians, but trolling Italians is not the way to respond back to their idiocies.

Thank you for talking so well about Iberians...

but really... stop already with all this shit.

Sorry but I'm an Italian Brazilian (Brazilian of Italian descent) myself and I don't look white anyway. I'm sure that I wouldn't be considered white in the USA nor Northern Europe. I've seen Italian Brazilians who look white, yes, but many are swarthy and hook-nosed. I see other Italian Brazilians everyday on the streets and in the bus and I know how most of them look: swarthy people with black hair and Arabic/Armenoid facial features. They can pass in Turkey and Iraq. I'm not trolling, just telling the truth. I can get how many pictures of nonwhite-looking Italians you want. This is not a trolling thing, this is serious and Europe shouldn't have types like that within its territory. In my opinion, black hair shouldn't even exist in Europe.

[gold_fenix]

the stereotype of average Italian is a sterereotypal sicilian, the rest of Italian are european looking , the "italian" trolls are usually italo american of sicilian origin with complex.

[Jupiter]

the stereotype of average Italian is a sterereotypal sicilian, the rest of Italian are european looking , the "italian" trolls are usually italo american of sicilian origin with complex.

So are you trying to tell me that all swarthy hook-nosed Arabic-looking Brazilians of Italian descent came from Sicily? What about the loads of North African and Middle Eastern slaves in the Roman Empire? What happened to them? Are you going to tell me that after 2,000 years NO nonwhite admixture was brought to the Italian Peninsula even though the Roman Empire had thousands of nonwhite slaves? Let's just face the reality: most Italians aren't white. They weren't considered white in North America until the 1900's when the American government decided to say that all Europeans are white. However, the North American people (true white people of Northern European descent) have never accepted Italians as white and they even used to lynch them sometimes. White is a Northern European term created by N. Euros for N. Euros. The only S. Euros that are really white are the Portuguese and Spaniards because they are of Celtic descent. However, most Italians and Balkans aren't white but mixed with Arabs and Turks, even though there are many white Italians and Balkans, specially the ones who are rich.

[GiCa]

We'll some Italians aren't white in the sense that some have olive skin, like some other Southern Europeans

My father for example if you saw him in the street you would think of him even as an Iranian; thought he doesn't look North African. My father is all year round light brown skinned; has black stocky eyebrows, black stocky hair.. Thought when young he had white skin.. But it seems that with age he got darker

I m actually proud of all my looks in my family.. I don't care abou all white bullshits.. I identify with my culture; and if I was in another country I'll try to identify both with my culture and withe the culture of my host country caring 0 about my race or the races of other people