Could you post a picture of Atlantid type

[Mordid]

I'd be apperciate it if you post a picture of any famous Atlantid or someone you know that's a good example of Atlantid.

Can you tell me what is difference between Atlantid and Atlanto-Med type?
As far as i know that Atlantid have Nordid influence and Atlanto Med dont but to me they are very similiar so i dont see no difference. :rolleyes:

Where Atlantid type are most common in ?

[Grumpy Cat]

I'm in the members pictures thread somewhere.

[Mordid]

I'm in the members pictures thread somewhere.

You are Atlantid but you seem to have other influence like Alpinid.

[Mordid]

How about Matt Dillon ?
http://www.topnews.in/files/Matt-Dillon.jpg
http://www.topnews.in/files/039_34561~Matt-Dillon-Posters.jpg
http://mimg.ugo.com/200808/27544/Matt-dillon.jpg

[Psychonaut]

I would post up some pictures from my archives...but I'm highly allergic to OPs who roll their eyes at the same time they're making a request. :shrug:

[Liffrea]

Check my profile picture, north-western type (Atlantid?).

Anyway my type is common as mud in the British Isles.

[Mordid]

Check my profile picture, north-western type (Atlantid?).

Anyway my type is common as mud in the British Isles.

I dont think you look Atlantid because you dont have that distinct Mediterraneanid look. You are borreby mixed with Keltic Nordid influence but you look very typical English. :)

However, i think i am a pretty good example of Atlantid.
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/35385_141603272525957_100000288549368_317363_74345 05_n.jpg

[Gamera]

Why do you ask for other people's opinion or information about Atlandid if in the end, you are going to discard those opinions and end up putting yourself as your own example of Atlantid, like you just did?

[Jack B]

Why do you ask for other people's opinion or information about Atlandid if in the end, you are going to discard those opinions and end up putting yourself as your own example of Atlantid, like you just did?

It appears to be a hobby :D

[Mordid]

Hélène Fillières
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://data-allocine.blogomaniac.fr/mdata/9/5/7/Z20040731193908660941759/img/1205324900_helene_fillieres.jpg&imgrefurl=http://cinedal1.blogs.allocine.fr/cinedal1-152826-coupable_de_laetitia_masson.htm&usg=__QPEgX5_cBXEuexnhf2f-Dy_o1uM=&h=400&w=600&sz=68&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=hqxq3LOcLQdz6M:&tbnh=133&tbnw=186&prev=/images%3Fq%3DH%25C3%25A9l%25C3%25A8ne%2BFilli%25C3 %25A8res%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1600%26bih%3D717%26gbv% 3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=hc&vpx=309&vpy=241&dur=1623&hovh=183&hovw=275&tx=117&ty=209&ei=nsZ6TK3XOMzKswaalfixDQ&oei=nsZ6TK3XOMzKswaalfixDQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:10,s:0
http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://images.allocine.fr/medias/nmedia/18/63/31/50/18686789.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.allocine.fr/personne/fichepersonne-2082/photos-series/detail/%3Fcmediafile%3D18686789&usg=__s4VsJstfNBDyTE-qp2wU1M8KqZk=&h=300&w=450&sz=27&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=Yf2CIkjkyetj0M:&tbnh=149&tbnw=201&prev=/images%3Fq%3DH%25C3%25A9l%25C3%25A8ne%2BFilli%25C3 %25A8res%26hl%3Den%26biw%3D1600%26bih%3D717%26gbv% 3D2%26tbs%3Disch:1&itbs=1&iact=rc&dur=248&ei=nsZ6TK3XOMzKswaalfixDQ&oei=nsZ6TK3XOMzKswaalfixDQ&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=33&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0&tx=104&ty=61

[Mordid]

Are Atlantid type originally came from lberia ?

[Psychonaut]

Are Atlantid type originally came from lberia ?

http://www.meh.ro/original/2010_01/meh.ro3145.jpg

WTF are they teaching you kids in schools these days? :oldman:

[Sahson]

http://www.me-me-me.tv/images/2009/03/mmm-matthew-goode.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_NqLYfqfYn0k/TEIGp1D5FVI/AAAAAAAAPKA/JQjlvnnY33U/s1600/Jennifer-Connelly-8.JPG

[Aviane]

Are Atlantid type originally came from lberia ?

I can't say weather they came from there but as you have shown your example Hélène Fillières who is French, I know that France has Atlantids well plenty of them.

[San Galgano]

How about Matt Dillon ?
http://www.topnews.in/files/Matt-Dillon.jpg
http://www.topnews.in/files/039_34561~Matt-Dillon-Posters.jpg
http://mimg.ugo.com/200808/27544/Matt-dillon.jpg

Is he not the stereotypical atlanto-med which Colin Farrell is part too?

To me atlantid is Christian Bale:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/defamer/2009/02/Christian-Bale.jpg

[Mordid]

Is he not the stereotypical atlanto-med which Colin Farrell is part too?
Collin Farell's Paleo-Atlantid and Paleo-Atlantid does have Atlanto-Med influence.


To me atlantid is Christian Bale:
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/defamer/2009/02/Christian-Bale.jpg
I dont think so because he seem to have other influence aswell. He's just Keltic Nordid with Atlantid influence.

[San Galgano]

Collin Farell's Paleo-Atlantid and Paleo-Atlantid does have Atlanto-Med influence.


I dont think so because he seem to have other influence aswell. He's just Keltic Nordid with Atlantid influence.

In the previous pic i posted he seems indeed more keltic nordid, but not in many other pics, just look at this:

http://www.malecelebritywallpapers.com/wallpapers/Christian_Bale/Christian_Bale90M7.jpg

[Curtis24]

What are the origins of the Atlantid type? Is it just a "mullato" between Atlanto-Mediterranid and Nordid?

[Psychonaut]

What are the origins of the Atlantid type? Is it just a "mullato" between Atlanto-Mediterranid and Nordid?

Would it not make more sense to, as Agrippa's model seems to do, consider it as a continuüm of regional adaptions of one basic type (Atlanto-Nordid, I believe he calls it) that manifests itself as nodes such as Mediterranid, Atlanto-Mediterranid, Atlantid, North Atlantid and Nordid? A useful analogy might be a rainbow. While green, for example, can arise as a mixture of blue and yellow, it exists in a rainbow as a node in the continuüm of visible light. While it could be that an morphotype like Atlantid is the result of mixture between the two extremes of Mediterranid and Nordid, we ought ask if the data supports this theory. I believe that Coon, for one, posits that Atlantids have inhabited the Western coast of Europe since the Upper Paleolithic, which, if correct, would seem to give credence to the continuüm theory over the admixture.

[Curtis24]

I have to admit most of that went over my head... are you, and Coon, saying that Atlantids were originally Cro-Magnids who evolved traits similar to both Nordids and Cro-Magnids due to experiencing similar selective pressures?

I know that the geneticist Bryan Sykes argues that most of the population of the British Isles and the coasts of Northwest Europe are, genetically, a hybridization between Cro-Magnids and Atlanto-Mediterranids that happened during the Neolithic. That could help explain the Atlantid type too... though if Sykes is right, Atlantids overwhelmingly make up the population of the British Isles.

[Vasconcelos]

Here's one I guess!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Rokolev/helio/praia.png

[Pallantides]

Christian Borlaug looks North-Atlantid imo
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/209/christianborlaug.png
http://www.pererik.no/Bildemappe/christianfele%20033web.jpghttp://www.hole.no/assets/images/krokskogfESTIVAL_FIOLIN_BLINHEIM.jpg


Here's one I guess!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v291/Rokolev/helio/praia.png
He looks Atlanto-Mediterranid to me,I think that guy would be rather exotic in Northern Europe(at least in Scandinavia)

[Peasant]

http://i51.tinypic.com/ke954l.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/fei978.jpg

Maybe?

[Vasconcelos]

That's me Pallantides.
Atlantids/Atlantomeds aren't supposed to look anything else than exotic in Scandinavia anyway :)

[Pallantides]

That's me Pallantides.
Atlantids/Atlantomeds aren't supposed to look anything else than exotic in Scandinavia anyway :)

North-Atlantid and also Atlantid's are not really exotic in West Norway.

[Mordid]

http://i51.tinypic.com/ke954l.jpg
http://i52.tinypic.com/fei978.jpg


Maybe?
He is more Paleo-Atlantid than average Atlantid.

[Mordid]

Christian Borlaug looks North-Atlantid imo
http://img840.imageshack.us/img840/209/christianborlaug.png
http://www.pererik.no/Bildemappe/christianfele%20033web.jpg[IMG]http://www.hole.no/assets/images/krokskogfESTIVAL_FIOLIN_BLINHEIM.jpg
His hair colour is too light for typical North Atlantid, his eyebrow aren't strong enough for typical North Atlantid.



He looks Atlanto-Mediterranid to me,I think that guy would be rather exotic in Northern Europe(at least in Scandinavia)
He look like a dark Scandinvarian. :D

[Mordid]

North-Atlantid and also Atlantid's are not really exotic in West Norway.

So that mean i could fit well in West Norway ? :D

[Pallantides]

He look like a dark Scandinvarian. :D

Not really, but sure you can find some people similar to him.(if you're talking about Vasconcelos)

[Psychonaut]

his eyebrow aren't strong enough for typical North Atlantid.

Wut?

Do any of the taxonomic authorities say anything about the eyebrows of morphotypes?

[Agrippa]

Pred. Atlantid phenotypes (!):

Atlantid vs. Nordid Swede, they are practically identical by their basic type if you disregard (primarily hair + eye) pigmentation:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5720&stc=1&d=1283735016

John F. Kennedy jr. (died in an airplane crash):
http://www.biography.com/images/home/320x240/kennedyjr_johnf_320x240.jpg

http://i.factmonster.com/images/home/jfkjr.jpg

Man from Bristol:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5721&stc=1&d=1283735324

Mary Louise Parker (with slight Cromagnid influences):
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5722&stc=1&d=1283735388

Norway? (front):
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5723&stc=1&d=1283735607

Joachim Löw (with slight Cromagnid influences):
http://topnews.in/sports/files/Joachim-Loew111.jpg

http://u.goal.com/31700/31774_news.jpg

Nordid-Atlantid Swede:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5724&stc=1&d=1283736170

Atlantid with Cromagnoid/Cromagno-Alpinoid influences from Sweden:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5725&stc=1&d=1283736251

Vimala Pons (Alpinoid tendency):
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5726&stc=1&d=1283736551

Rose Byrne:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5727&stc=1&d=1283736837

http://imstars.aufeminin.com/stars/fan/rose-byrne/rose-byrne-20050825-65423.jpg

http://mimg.ugo.com/200803/4039/RoseByrne.jpg

[Curtis24]

so what are the origins of the Atlantid type? I am still somewhat confused about this, from what I"ve heard so far the Atlantids evolved out of Cromagnids who were under selective pressures similar to Nordids and Atlanto-mediterranids; but that Atlantids are genetically somewhat removed from both those types.

[Agrippa]

Mixtures and transitions between Nordid and Atlanto-Pontid in the greater Atlanto-Nordid spectrum.

Similar to phenotypes like that of "Keltic Nordic" (Nordoid - Dinaroid), "Anglo-Saxon" (Nordoid - Cromagnoid) and the like.

Just that it is in a more natural and often stable condition, because there is a fluent border both in the West and the East between Nordoid and Atlanto-Pontid, the leptodolichomorphic European Europid variants.

Probably Nordids are, at least to a certain degree, the result of Atlanto-Pontid/Atlantid variants becoming adapted to the more UV-low Northern habitat with additional North Cromagnid and older Aurignacoid influences working on them.

So the relation between those two spectra is there in my opinion, Nordatlantids/Nordpontids-Atlantids are just the phenotypical chain link in between.

Since the light Nordid coloration is subdominant in the phenotype, all such mixtures and intermediates are more often darker with their hair and eye coloration, but more often intermediate to light with their skin.

[Curtis24]

so this type developed fairly recently, as in the Iron Age? and it is "stabilized", meaning they share a common set of traits?

[Agrippa]

so this type developed fairly recently, as in the Iron Age? and it is "stabilized", meaning they share a common set of traits?

How can we know from the bones? I just know that there were always fluent borders between Nordid and Mediterranid, all reasonable anthropologists said that they can't distinguish with high certainty the remains of a Nordid and robust (Atlanto-) Mediterranid or gracile Nordid and Mediterranid.

And I doubt that the connection between these two leptodolichomorphic spectra was ever lifted, especially along the Atlantic facade, but also in the Eastern European steppe area and large parts of Central Europe.

It is rather due to the later changes, Alpinisation and Dinarisation in particular, that certain transitions are not that clear any more, because it is rather unlikely that they weren't broader in the past, in Neolithic times to the Bronze Age in particular.

I would compare it with some species or races in the animal kingdom for which we can say that there was always a fluent and unclear border between the forms, yet the basic types were still clear.

In this case it is primarily about the robustness of the bones, tall stature and especially pigmentation. If you take just pigmentation away, you have a problem of distinction and in this gap of a morphological overlap fits the Nordatlantid/Atlantid/Nordpontid phenotypical description.

The position is similar to f.e. Kaukasid/Mtebid for the border between Dinarid and Armenoid or Eastern Eastalpinids and Baltid proper.

That are definitely related spectra, yet they can be clearly distinguished, but not at the borders.

Between Nordid and Mediterranid the "no man's land" is Atlantid/Nordatlantid.

[Stygian Cellarius]

This guy

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v633/Casen/1.jpg

[Curtis24]

ONce again I have to admit much of the terminology goes over my head.
Is Atlantid a type, or is just a general term to describe Nordids who have MEditerranid influence, and Mediterranids who have Nordid influence? If you're Atlantid, does that mean you are by definition NOT Nordid or Mediterranid, but something different?

For instance, a mulatto is neither black nor white, but something different. Does this apply to Atlantid?

[Vasconcelos]

Personally I think so, at least I don't consider myself Mediterranid, and certainly not Nordid.

[Agrippa]

ONce again I have to admit much of the terminology goes over my head.
Is Atlantid a type, or is just a general term to describe Nordids who have MEditerranid influence, and Mediterranids who have Nordid influence? If you're Atlantid, does that mean you are by definition NOT Nordid or Mediterranid, but something different?

For instance, a mulatto is neither black nor white, but something different. Does this apply to Atlantid?

Yes, that's how it was meant. Just that you could say Nordatlantid is still more on the Nordid side and Atlantid already more on the Mediterranid in a way, especially since the eye color is of such importance in this matters.

Yet it is no stable, bigger racial type, but the description of the transition and intermediate forms, genetically and phenotypically.

Nordatlantid is a more stable subtype because of it's doubtless age, more stable character and regional concentrion (British Isles).

Atlantid phenotypes on the other hand could (like mulattoes) split up after Mendelian laws in the following generations at times, because they are usually defined to have the Nordoid coloration recessively.

It's insofar a description also of pheno- vs. genotype.

A Nordid produces Nordid.
A Nordatlantid produces Nordatlantid.
An Atlantomediterranid produces Atlantomediterranid.

An Atlantid phenotype or population might produce Atlantomediterranid, Atlantid or Nordid offspring.

Atlantid is no type on it's own, because after all, even Nordatlantid and Atlantomediterranid or Pontid are just subtypes of Nordid or Mediterranid respectively. Compare with this:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=11365

[Jack B]

Between Nordid and Mediterranid the "no man's land" is Atlantid/Nordatlantid.

Is this Irishman North Atlantid? (a friend has similar features)

http://i56.tinypic.com/1253vxe.jpg

[Agrippa]

Might have a Cromagnid tendency, but predominantely so and fairly typical.

[Neanderthal]

Atlantid?
http://i55.tinypic.com/11t1jck.jpg

[Neanderthal]

Damn, I killed the thread :(
But anyway, I belive all the Nordomediterranid stuff is just some way of getting dark haired/eyed Nordids out the Nordoid spectrum. I mean just take a look at Pallantides, he obviously can't have any Mediterranid component in his phenotype, yet still, he was classified at partially Atlantid quite few times before, his Atlanto/Nordoid component is obviously Skando-Nordid with some other stuff (based on his Ancestry), wich makes him look darker than the average "Text book Nordid." It was said before, the difference between a robust Atlanto Mediterranid and a Nordid is just light hair, pigmentation, eyes, etc, but in that case, what the heck is Gaahl from Gorgoroth then? Is he an Atlanto Med just because he's brown haired? same goes for Satyr, I know the dude dyes his hair black and stuff, but still, his hair colour isn't that blonde neither, that's my big doubt, right there, like the example of the two swedes wich where brothers or cousins, I mean, one is Nordid because he's an Albine and the other isn't because his hair colour came out darker?, is that even possible? even if they are related...?
I'd aprecciate if someone could clarify this doubt I have on my mind, thank you. :)

[Agrippa]

Fact is the standard definition of Nordid is depigmented. The eye color is more important than the hair color by the way, but someone with dark hair and eyes is just by definition no typical Nordid, regardless of the exact reason.

[Pallantides]

Martin Andresen - Norwegian fotball player from the village Kråkestad in Ski, Akershus.
http://blogg.vpn.no/files/2008/12/martin.jpg
http://fotball.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00081/Martin_Andresen_81280a.JPG
http://fotball.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00082/Martin_body_82746a.jpg
http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2008/05/20/1211283745572_73.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00583/Martin_Andresen_583249i.jpg
http://www.nrksport.no/contentfile/file/1.6247270!f169CropList/img650x367.jpg
http://gfx.nrk.no/RWDco6RbduUyxKMBctUCvw3nph91g8Cah-klTIBMoXYA.jpg

[Comte Arnau]

Would (some/any of) these women be considered Atlantid?

http://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/560a135d.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/1a3675f2.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/592eeb0c.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/423d3420.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/921b579b.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/49c15b3c.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/9af82475.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/73e87ae0.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/54d8eb0f.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/9ef3fc34.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/ced673e4.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/63516ca3.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/0a36cb83.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/9dcdeb70.jpghttp://i484.photobucket.com/albums/rr207/chorchon/AC/a3730984.jpg

[Neanderthal]

First one looks French, Atlantid/Alpine, sixth appears to have the same components on her phenotype but she looks central European for some odd reason, only number twelve is a textbook Atlantid, to me atleast.

[Korbis]

Does this bloke count as Atlantid? ive been told its more dinaric but i´m not sure.


http://img823.imageshack.us/img823/1353/dsc00260v.jpg

[Ibericus]

Martin Andresen - Norwegian fotball player from the village Kråkestad in Ski, Akershus.
http://blogg.vpn.no/files/2008/12/martin.jpg
http://fotball.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00081/Martin_Andresen_81280a.JPG
http://fotball.aftenposten.no/multimedia/archive/00082/Martin_body_82746a.jpg
http://www.vg.no/uploaded/image/bilderigg/2008/05/20/1211283745572_73.jpg
http://pub.tv2.no/multimedia/TV2/archive/00583/Martin_Andresen_583249i.jpg
http://www.nrksport.no/contentfile/file/1.6247270!f169CropList/img650x367.jpg
http://gfx.nrk.no/RWDco6RbduUyxKMBctUCvw3nph91g8Cah-klTIBMoXYA.jpg
Could fit as a normal Spaniard

[Foxy]

Raul Bova (Italian) is for me 100% Atlantid:

http://www.nonsolomusica.it/files/news/raoulBova1.jpg
http://www.eclipse-magazine.it/images/stories/cinema/raul-bova1.jpg

And also Roberto Bolle:
http://www.festivalopera.it/incms/multimedia/operafestival_en/images/upload/med/1/1239360176261_Roberto_Bolle_modificato.jpg

In Italy the atlantid type is pretty common, follows the Alpinid type and the Dinaric type. But the atlantid is definitely the most common.

[Mordid]

A good example of North Atlantid/Atlantid type :
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00018/brydon_18612t.jpg
http://www.nyt.co.uk/Rob%20Brydon%20black%20and%20white.jpg
http://img.thesun.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00753/SNA1346D-280_753715a.jpg
http://thesilvertongueonline.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/adam-levine-400a0507.jpg
http://melodyplant.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/blog6-adam-levine.jpg
http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/mb/fun_fearless_males_030309/adam_levine_2315370.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/2d/Whitney_dean.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/content/characters/whitney_dean/whitney_dean_306.jpg
http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/files/u1465/michelle%20ryan.jpg
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl2/20/202586/17_2009/029663990b16cd60_MichelleRyan.xlarger.jpg
http://www.hecklerspray.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/02/michelle_ryan%20(196).jpg
http://www.turkyurdu.com/hollywood/wp-content/uploads/2007/12/yulia-volkova-1.jpg
http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/m/cannes_you_and_i_160508/cannes_film_festival_1869462.jpg
http://cm1.theinsider.com/media/0/73/66/tatu_at_cannes_main.0.0.0x0.365x459.jpeg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Mfpcu7UkGXA/SJdfGy6fCFI/AAAAAAAACy8/x8mnDoSvyOk/s400/2229841155_36f9dc2eeb.jpg
http://i.fanpix.net/images/orig/e/t/etcw7wyer4x5ywrc.jpg
http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_gdroq_aO8Zw/R-PJfqon2FI/AAAAAAAAAiA/rUf9mKSNTD0/s400/bryzgi+shampanskogo.jpg

[Comte Arnau]

Vimala Pons (Alpinoid tendency):
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5726&stc=1&d=1283736551


Where is she from? Her surname and look seem Catalan.


First one looks French, Atlantid/Alpine, sixth appears to have the same components on her phenotype but she looks central European for some odd reason, only number twelve is a textbook Atlantid, to me atleast.

Thanks for the answer. All of them are Catalan, I posted them to figure a little more about the type. I don't quite see the difference between 'Atlantid' and a light-eyed Atlanto-Med, to be frank.

[Vasconcelos]

Don't really think you "need" (per se) to have light eyes to be Atlantid.
Agrippa posted a picture of two scandinavian teens, one of them was dark pigmented (as in brown eyes/hair/eyebrows) and still predominantly, altho not necessairly totally, Atlantid.

[Agrippa]

Where is she from? Her surname and look seem Catalan.

She is from France, I don't know too much about her, just know her from a movie (Eden Log).

As for the eye color: Dark eyes are dominant, so any intermediate form between Nordid and Atlanto-Pontid will be predominantely dark eyed.

Nordatlantids are by definition light eyed and closer to Nordoid already.

[Korbis]

Is Gabriel Byrne Atlantid? looks almost exactly like my uncle and a bit like my father.

http://www.golem.es/aritmeticaemocional/imagen/gabriel_byrne.jpg

[Mordid]

Is this model a good example of Atlantid type ?
http://www.hairfinder.com/haircollections3/mensfashion4.jpg

[Neanderthal]

Is Gabriel Byrne Atlantid? looks almost exactly like my uncle and a bit like my father.

http://www.golem.es/aritmeticaemocional/imagen/gabriel_byrne.jpg

Looks Keltoid to me.

[Agrippa]

Is this model a good example of Atlantid type ?
http://www.hairfinder.com/haircollections3/mensfashion4.jpg

Yes, forehead might be somewhat too broad, but generally he fits the scheme.

[Mordid]

Where Atlantid type are mostly common in ?

[Agrippa]

Where Atlantid type are mostly common in ?

Atlantid variants are common in the Benelux-states, France, Celtic Britain, Northern Spain, Switzerland and Italy - all areas close to those too.

[Mordid]

So how come Atlantid end up having a Nordid influence ?

[Agrippa]

So how come Atlantid end up having a Nordid influence ?

Simple put because the Nordid and Atlantomediterranid differentiation zones meet in these areas.

Substract the other types which partly came up later and didn't play in the same league of the progressive-social dominant cultural bearers which were fairly mobile, and you just find the overlap zone in this areas.

[Mordid]

I've notice some Atlantid tend to have lighter hair than average North Atlantid. Why is that ?

[Mordid]

Agrippa could you post a picture of Atlantid, Atlanto-Med and North Atlantid sample so i might see the difference between them. :)

[Agrippa]

I've notice some Atlantid tend to have lighter hair than average North Atlantid. Why is that ?

Because Nordatlantid is by definition a stable form quite common in certain populations with dark hair, while Atlantid is often the transitional form between Nordid and Mediterranid which might show various degrees of pigmentation for both hair and eyes.

Simple put, the Nordatlantid variants, especially if being dominant in a local subpopulation, should have less of a recessive light hairedness than the Atlantid/Nordomediterranid transitional forms.

Atlantomediterranid - Alberto Ramos Gutierrez
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6922/albertoramos7jrrw5.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/i/albertoramos7jrrw5.jpg/)

Pred. Atlantid - individual from London
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6647/atlantidlondon2hu2.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/atlantidlondon2hu2.jpg/)

Pred. Nordatlantid - Kyle MacLachlan
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/851/kylemaclachlanhz2.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/i/kylemaclachlanhz2.jpg/)

[Mordid]

Atlantomediterranid - Alberto Ramos Gutierrez
http://img135.imageshack.us/img135/6922/albertoramos7jrrw5.jpg (http://img135.imageshack.us/i/albertoramos7jrrw5.jpg/)
Dont you think this guy seem a bit more North Atlantid (his light eye and skintone) ?
This guy have same face shape and eyebrow shape as i have. :)


Pred. Atlantid - individual from London
http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/6647/atlantidlondon2hu2.jpg (http://img257.imageshack.us/i/atlantidlondon2hu2.jpg/)
Dont you think this guy seem more Mediterraneanid ?

P
red. Nordatlantid - Kyle MacLachlan
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/851/kylemaclachlanhz2.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/i/kylemaclachlanhz2.jpg/)
He's clearly a textbook of North-Atlantid.

[Agrippa]

The Spaniard is still Atlantomediterranid IMO and
Dont you think this guy seem more Mediterraneanid ?

Not enough for a typical Mediterranid, Atlantid phenotype in my opinion.

[Mordid]

Since you have been classified me as North Pontid and i still need to find out about North Pontid subrace and a picture of North Pontid sample. Most of Ukrainian people i've seen that are Alpinid, Noric, Nordid, Pontid and some foreign phenotype and it seem to me that North Pontid aren't common among them so how come ?

[Mordid]

Since you have been classified me as North Pontid and i still need to find out about North Pontid subrace and a picture of North Pontid sample. Most of Ukrainian people i've seen that are Alpinid, Noric, Nordid, Pontid and some foreign phenotype and it seem to me that North Pontid aren't common among them so how come ?
I take it you're not going to answer it. :rolleyes2:

[Mordid]

???????

[Foxy]

Gemma Arterton of British nationality:

http://www.contactmusic.com/pics/mb/tv_and_radio_awards_2_100309/gemma_arterton_2324729.jpg

Italian singer Elisa:

http://www.musicroom.it/img/elisa2.jpg

[Tyrrhenoi]

http://www.topnews.in/light/files/Pierce-Brosnan.jpg

[Mordid]

What about this English actor ?
http://www.bbc.co.uk/eastenders/images/content/characters/ryan_malloy/ryan_malloy_306.jpg
http://www.gaydarnation.com/images/GNImages/DM_550w_neil_mc_dermott_2_450.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/b/b5/Ryan_dean.jpg/201px-Ryan_dean.jpg

[Foxy]

Some English look like Spanish/Italian brunettes

[Treffie]

Welsh TV presenter, Steve Jones. There's tons in Wales

http://www.johnnyikon.com/data/articles/2009/11/8216/stevejones.jpg

[Treffie]

A good example of North Atlantid/Atlantid type :
http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00018/brydon_18612t.jpg
http://www.nyt.co.uk/Rob%20Brydon%20black%20and%20white.jpg

I think Brydon is Troender

[Vasconcelos]

All fairly common, hence the "british isles" nomenclature to some peoples type :p
As Agrippa stated earlier:

Atlantid variants are common in the Benelux-states, France, Celtic Britain, Northern Spain, Switzerland and Italy - all areas close to those too.
:thumb001:

[San Galgano]

Welsh TV presenter, Steve Jones. There's tons in Wales

http://www.johnnyikon.com/data/articles/2009/11/8216/stevejones.jpg

I noticed Wales has got lot of good looking people with a slight dark skin tone both for women and men.

[Mordid]

Jack Davenport:
http://www.malestarz.com/uploads/photos/02ea20a4c34bab9157911ffe4ba8671c4.JPG

[Mordid]

I think Brydon is Troender
Since when Tronder does exit in Wales ?

[Treffie]

Since when Tronder does exit in Wales ?

Who says that it can't?

[Mordid]

Who says that it can't?

Me! :rolleyes:
I didn't know that Tronder does exit in Wales.

[Korbis]

Is Atlantid supposed to be a Nordish subrace or an "evolution" of mediterranian under certain climate and tougher environmental conditions?

[Mordid]

As far as i know that North Atlantid are consider to be Nordish but Atlantid aren't. Why is that ?

[Treffie]

Me! :rolleyes:
I didn't know that Tronder does exit in Wales.

Obviously it does. If it can appear in England in small amounts, why not Wales?

[poiuytrewq0987]

Fact is the standard definition of Nordid is depigmented. The eye color is more important than the hair color by the way, but someone with dark hair and eyes is just by definition no typical Nordid, regardless of the exact reason.

What if one had the Nordid skull shape but had brown eyes, dark hair? I remember seeing a Macedonian in Skopje who had a Nordid skull but brown hair and blue eyes. I found him to be quite an interesting case.

[Mordid]

What if one had the Nordid skull shape but had brown eyes, dark hair? I remember seeing a Macedonian in Skopje who had a Nordid skull but brown hair and blue eyes. I found him to be quite an interesting case.
Then he must be Pontid. :)

[Foxy]

From Spain:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WxG9Nq6z5v4/R1LjXphDfdI/AAAAAAAABjE/R3uh15Brp-c/s400/tio2lt7.jpg

from Italy:
http://gossip.atuttonet.it/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/elisabetta_canalis.jpg

[Korbis]

Whats the name of the Spanish? she seem to have some alpinid influence nonetheless.

[Foxy]

Whats the name of the Spanish? she seem to have some alpinid influence nonetheless.

Helèn Lindes.
Alpinid? :eek:

[Mordid]

Whats the name of the Spanish? she seem to have some alpinid influence nonetheless.

Exactly! They are clearly more Mediterraneanid and have alpinind influence. :rolleyes:

[Mordid]

Helèn Lindes.
Alpinid? :eek:

Yeah, her nose, face shape and cheek seem more Alpinind.

[Korbis]

So it seems, judging by the wideness of forehead and shape of nose. That pic is deceitful because of the angle.

http://www.laguiatv.com/img/galeria_imagenes/fotos/EHELNLINDESM2000.jpg

http://www.esacademic.com/pictures/eswiki/77/Mvc-082f.jpg

http://www.que.es/archivos/201008/helen_lindes-640x640x80.jpg

She´s half english. :)

[Agrippa]

What if one had the Nordid skull shape but had brown eyes, dark hair? I remember seeing a Macedonian in Skopje who had a Nordid skull but brown hair and blue eyes. I found him to be quite an interesting case.

That would count as pred. Nordid or Nordid with Mediterranid influences.

Brown hair is fairly common among Nordid variants.


As far as i know that North Atlantid are consider to be Nordish but Atlantid aren't. Why is that ?

I don't use "Nordish", but fact is that Nordatlantids are more of a stable variant rather closer to Nordid, Atlantid is intermediate between Nordid and Mediterranid.


Is Atlantid supposed to be a Nordish subrace or an "evolution" of mediterranian under certain climate and tougher environmental conditions?

As I said, transitional status.

[Korbis]

But officially it is a subrace labelled under Nordid or Mediterranid? I´ve seen both things depending on the source. Also as a completely independent type. There are still discrepancies about this?

[Agrippa]

But officially it is a subrace labelled under Nordid or Mediterranid? I´ve seen both things depending on the source. Also as a completely independent type. There are still discrepancies about this?

To me it is just a description for the transitional spectrum, no type on its own.

The main problem coming from the fact that the Nordid type is defined by the light pigmentation, yet the light pigmentation is subdominant. But obviously just because of a dark pigmentation, one can hardly make out of a transitional variant between Nordid and Mediterranid a proper Mediterranid.

So Atlantid = Nordomediterranid, being the better term.

It is like with Balto-Alpinoid, Dinaro-Alpinoid (often similar to what some authors called Carpathid) or other transitional forms.

Since the pigmentation is so important for defining Nordid, a dark pigmented mixed result must be put closer to the Mediterranid than to the Nordid category, but better defined as what it is, intermediate or transitional.

It is somewhat similar to the position of Aethiopids - even though that's a completely different level.

What are they, are they more Europid or Negrid? Fact is, they are neither, but rather intermediate and somewhat closer to Europid this, somewhat closer to Negrid that way...

[Mordid]

I know a guy who has very Atlantid look but when i saw his parent, i was really shocked because his parent dont really has Atlantid look (Mother seem more Alpinind while father look more Keltic Nordid) so how come he end up coming out 'Atlantid' looking ?

[Agrippa]

I know a guy who has very Atlantid look but when i saw his parent, i was really shocked because his parent dont really has Atlantid look (Mother seem more Alpinind while father look more Keltic Nordid) so how come he end up coming out 'Atlantid' looking ?

Dark Nordid.

[Mordid]

Dark Nordid.

I dont see your point, Agrippa. How come he end up ''Atlantid'' looking ?

[Agrippa]

I dont see your point, Agrippa. How come he end up ''Atlantid'' looking ?

Nordid morphology which became somewhat softened and pigmentation darker = Mediterranid-like.

[Mordid]

Nordid morphology which became somewhat softened and pigmentation darker = Mediterranid-like.

I agree! I assume he might got his phenotype from grandparent side or something. Dont you think ?

[Mordid]

For example, if father has very Nordid looking while mother look very Mediterranean, do you think the child might end up ''Atlantid'' looking ?

[Ibericus]

There is no such thing as mediterranid. Iberians, Italics and Greeks are very different and have different phenotypes (on average). Dark hair/eyes means crap.

[Curtis24]

If you believe this, why do you then authoritatively categorize people in the Taxonomy section according to traditional typology?

[Ibericus]

If you believe this, why do you then authoritatively categorize people in the Taxonomy section according to traditional typology?
I never categeroize with the "meditarranid" taxonomy because such thing doesn't exist.

[Comte Arnau]

If you believe this, why do you then authoritatively categorize people in the Taxonomy section according to traditional typology?

Well, even in 'traditional' typology, Mediterranid is usually considered a parafamily, just like Nordish.

[Comte Arnau]

What about Lena Headey for a textbook Atlantid?


http://www.pensarencine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/shsq-lena-headey.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fnt3iL1Tg9vh/610x.jpg

http://www.1920x1200.net/posts/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lena_headey_1920_1200_jan012010.jpg

[Mordid]

What about Lena Headey for a textbook Atlantid?


http://www.pensarencine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/shsq-lena-headey.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fnt3iL1Tg9vh/610x.jpg

http://www.1920x1200.net/posts/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lena_headey_1920_1200_jan012010.jpg

i'd say she's more North Atlantid with slight CM influence than your average Atlantid.

[Comte Arnau]

But is she because of the light eyes, the slight robusticity...?

What about this one? She doesn't show much CM, so what would she be?

[Ibericus]

What about Lena Headey for a textbook Atlantid?


http://www.pensarencine.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/shsq-lena-headey.jpg

http://cache.daylife.com/imageserve/0fnt3iL1Tg9vh/610x.jpg

http://www.1920x1200.net/posts/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/lena_headey_1920_1200_jan012010.jpg
Her facial bone structure indicates some nordid-Cromagnoid

[Agrippa]

But is she because of the light eyes, the slight robusticity...?

What about this one? She doesn't show much CM, so what would she be?

Definitely Nordomediterranid, I'd assume she recombined Nordid and Atlantomediterranid traits.

[Mordid]

Definitely Nordomediterranid, I'd assume she recombined Nordid and Atlantomediterranid traits.
Dont you think she's a little bit darker to be Atlantid ? She look like a light eye Med.

[Agrippa]

Dont you think she's a little bit darker to be Atlantid ? She look like a light eye Med.

That's why I said recombination, eyes lighter, skin probably somewhat darker, though tan has to be considered.

[Mordid]

What about this guy ? :
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XdymFR1qihk/TEv7yJcivqI/AAAAAAAABN4/yMgpoIp5wPQ/s1600/don+draper.jpg
http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/don-draper-pic.jpg
http://greaneynet.com/blogs/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/don-draper.jpg
http://static.tvfanatic.com/images/gallery/don-draper-photo.jpg

[Mordid]

What you suggestion, Agrippa ?

[Agrippa]

Atlantid/Nordatlantid with slight Cromagnid tendencies.

[Vasconcelos]

Real men have atlantid features. Just saying.

[Mordid]

Could you post more pictures of Atlantid sample, please ?

[Mordid]

If Atlanto-Med looking person go to Northern European and somewhere really cold country, would you think it's possible that this person became partly depigmented if this person live in cold country for over century ?

[Vasconcelos]

The body adapts to the envoirnment all the time. The parts of my body that are constantly exposed to sunlight got considerably "darker" (or "less light") than say, my back. This is even noticable in the winter after most of my tan has faded.

When going to the beach, my back ended up tanning only slightly and getting sunburns, whereas my face and arms didn't. Even after 2 full weeks of beach and tanning activities the tanline is still very much noticable on my arms and neck/soulders.
Actually my mother just joked with it today.

Similarly, my aunt has been living in Germany/Switzerland for over 30 years, when she comes here to Portugal she always burns and gets red as a lobster, I assume most Atlantids and Atlantomeds living in the south would behave the same way if they went on to live in a country with lower temepratures/sunlight and lower UV rays.
The Sun gets seriously aggressive here in the South during the Summer.

[Mordid]

I dont tan easily when used to went out in Spain because my skintone look more and more ruddy (i dont consider it as tan). I look white as ice when in winter time.

[Vasconcelos]

As I said, you live in England, the climate is totally different. If you lived in the South your skin would prolly get used to it and tan/darken a bit for protection. For example, I read that UV rays in Finland during the summer and lower than in Iberia during the winter.
Dunno if it's true or not, but it's not really suprising.

[Mordid]

As I said, you live in England, the climate is totally different. If you lived in the South your skin would prolly get used to it and tan/darken a bit for protection. For example, I read that UV rays in Finland during the summer and lower than in Iberia during the winter.
Dunno if it's true or not, but it's not really suprising.

My skin would getting really dark if i live in Spain for over century.

I think the difference between Atlantid and Atlanto-Med is their pigmentation, Atlantid has that Northerly skintone and Atlanto-Med has more Southernly skintone, correct me if i am wrong.

[Vasconcelos]

I'll leave a proper answer to that question with someone who's knowledge on this is greater than mine, personally I don't know, but generally I value more morphology than pigmentation, but that's me regardless of it being wrong or not.

[Mordid]

but generally I value more morphology than pigmentation, but that's me regardless of it being wrong or not.
Alright! Can you tell me what is between difference Atlantid and Atlanto-Med? Not by looking at these pigmentation but facial features.

[Mordid]

Could anyone post more picture of Atlantid sample, please ? :)

[Comte Arnau]

My skin would getting really dark if i live in Spain for over century.

I think the difference between Atlantid and Atlanto-Med is their pigmentation, Atlantid has that Northerly skintone and Atlanto-Med has more Southernly skintone, correct me if i am wrong.

However, is that an objective value? Or is it just 'on the surface', because the Atlanto-Med lives more exposed to the sun? The Jablonski study on skin not exposed to the sun revealed that northern Iberians had the same lightness there as people from Belgium and the British Isles, even lighter in some cases...

[Rosenrot]

What about Tom cruise? Is he Atlantid/ or Nord Atlantid?

http://www.wallpaperbase.com/wallpapers/celebsm/tomcruise/tom_cruise_2.jpg

and Ryan Reynolds?
http://www.celebritypicnic.com/celebrities/ryan-reynolds/mainimage.jpg

[Oreka Bailoak]

Tom is North-Atlantid (paler phenotype with light eyes) and Ryan is Atlantid (darker phenotype and dark eyes).

[Comte Arnau]

Maybe it's me, but Atlantids look a bit more 'refined' than Atlanto-Meds... Will they be gracilized somewhat lighter-pigmented Atlanto-Meds, after all? :D

[Agrippa]

Maybe it's me, but Atlantids look a bit more 'refined' than Atlanto-Meds... Will they be gracilized somewhat lighter-pigmented Atlanto-Meds, after all? :D

They might vary like Nordids and Atlantomediterranids themselves do and some Atlantoid phenotypes might be the result of Nordid + Gracilmediterranid even, yet the more typical representatives aren't, like John F. Kennedy jr. f.e.:
http://www.biography.com/images/home/320x240/kennedyjr_johnf_320x240.jpg

[Rouxinol]

Do these "Atlanto-" types have Cromagnid input? I notice many show stronger browridges and medium to deep-set eyes.

[Mordid]

Do these "Atlanto-" types have Cromagnid input? I notice many show stronger browridges and medium to deep-set eyes.

I think it's due to Nordid admixture. They often have stronger browridges but not as strong as CM.

[Agrippa]

Do these "Atlanto-" types have Cromagnid input? I notice many show stronger browridges and medium to deep-set eyes.

Many Nordids and Mediterranids have Cromagnid inputs, so do many predominantely Atlantid ones.

[Mordid]

Many Nordids and Mediterranids have Cromagnid inputs, so do many predominantely Atlantid ones.

It's much stronger in Nordid than in Mediterraneanid.

[truepenny]

I have brown hair and eyes so I think I would be an example of an Atlantid but probably not North-Atlantid. I'm at least predominantly Atlantid I think. However, it would be an honor to have the expert classifier Agrippa confirm whether I was Atlantid or not.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v336/naudiz/Picture014.jpg


Many Nordids and Mediterranids have Cromagnid inputs, so do many predominantely Atlantid ones.

I think although I am Atlantid that I definitely have Cromagnid input. Probably both Brunn and Borreby but mostly Brunn and the Brunn may have completely subsumed the Borreby.

Anyway I apologize if this is grave digging or necromancing a dead thread. I don't mean to piss you guys off as a new member here. I know people haven't posted in this thread in like 7 months !

[Rosenrot]

Are Ashtion Kutcher and Emmy Hossum, at least, pred Atlantids?
http://www.hollywoodgo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/ashton-kutcher2.jpg
http://www.celebritydietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/emmy-rossum-gives-diet-tips.jpg

[rhiannon]

Is this Irishman North Atlantid? (a friend has similar features)

http://i56.tinypic.com/1253vxe.jpg

Oh cool. It's that hottie again. LOL!

[Lábaru]

Are Ashtion Kutcher and Emmy Hossum, at least, pred Atlantids?

http://www.celebritydietdoctor.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/emmy-rossum-gives-diet-tips.jpg

Jew alert!!

[Rosenrot]

Jew alert!!

I just check her ancestry and, ure right. She's jew/anglo american.

[Boudica]

I've always been told I'm Atlantid:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/ka35hw.jpg
http://oi51.tinypic.com/a17aw.jpg

[Artek]

I've always been told I'm Atlantid:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/ka35hw.jpg
http://oi51.tinypic.com/a17aw.jpg
You show some Borreby(Alpinoid) traits, in forehead mainly ;D.

[Dick]

I've always been told I'm Atlantid:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/ka35hw.jpg
http://oi51.tinypic.com/a17aw.jpg

Too bad you're banned :loveheart:

[Petalpusher]

Too bad you're banned :loveheart:

Dick i agree :loveheart:

[Dick]

Free Boudica!

[Enflamme]

Atlantid doesn't exist.

[Enflamme]

Too bad you're banned :loveheart:

She's a very cute woman!

[Sacrificed Ram]

Loki wants turn it in a his own gay forum only with beautiful males.

[Septentrion]

Is this Irishman North Atlantid? (a friend has similar features)

http://i56.tinypic.com/1253vxe.jpg

North Atlantid with some Bruenn admixture ( his beard colour is red). He has some robust features which are not typically North-Atlantid.

[Septentrion]

I've always been told I'm Atlantid:
http://oi40.tinypic.com/ka35hw.jpg
http://oi51.tinypic.com/a17aw.jpg

You're not at all. You're more North-Alpinoid/Alpinoid. Note, just because you have brown hair doesn't make you any Atlantid.

[Columella]

The fact that the OP needs pics of the Atlantid type is a proof enough that this type doesn't exist.


Atlantid was used by Eickstedt as term in his "Mediterranean in Wales" to name a local type. I haven't read this book, has anybody?
Until then the term "Atlantid" should be suppressed. Valid alternatives are Coon's "Blue eyed Atlanto Med" and Hooton's " Nordic-Mediterranean" at least we have pics and measurements.

Like "North Pontic" it is heavily Misused on Anthrofora to describe an hypothetical long faced, brown haired people, average European, which is usually a mix of the main types (Nordic, med, Dinaric and Alpine sometimes Baltic) and not a pure type.
It is not a pure type because No skull found in grave can be identified and isolated as Atlantid or North Pontic.