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Grab the Gauge
08-17-2016, 05:08 AM
http://www.genetics.org/content/202/3/869


Although the human germline mutation rate is higher than that in any other well-studied species, the rate is not exceptional once the effective genome size and effective population size are taken into consideration. Human somatic mutation rates are substantially elevated above those in the germline, but this is also seen in other species. What is exceptional about humans is the recent detachment from the challenges of the natural environment and the ability to modify phenotypic traits in ways that mitigate the fitness effects of mutations, e.g., precision and personalized medicine. This results in a relaxation of selection against mildly deleterious mutations, including those magnifying the mutation rate itself. The long-term consequence of such effects is an expected genetic deterioration in the baseline human condition, potentially measurable on the timescale of a few generations in westernized societies, and because the brain is a particularly large mutational target, this is of particular concern. Ultimately, the price will have to be covered by further investment in various forms of medical intervention. Resolving the uncertainties of the magnitude and timescale of these effects will require the establishment of stable, standardized, multigenerational measurement procedures for various human traits.



Over the course of the experiment, the mean number of offspring per mating declined at an average rate of 3.35% per generation, although most of the change occurred within the first 6 generations, rendering line maintenance difficult and likely imposing some selection against further decline. Body weight in these lines declined by 0.5% per generation, and obvious phenotypic abnormalities accumulated at rates of 0.68% per generation





The preceding arguments need not imply that human behavior by natural selection has come to a standstill (Reed and Aquadro 2006), one key issue being that natural selection is a function of both survival and reproduction. Even if variance in survival were to be eliminated entirely, phenotypes that are associated with reproductive output will inevitably be promoted by the blind forces of selection. However, another aspect of modern human behavior—the tendency toward families of similar size (the two-child syndrome in middle-class neighborhoods in westernized societies)—may thwart this aspect of selection as well. Notably, this very strategy (equilibration of family sizes) has been used to accumulate deleterious mutations in experimental populations of Drosophila, yielding a 0.2–2% decline in fitness per generation (Shabalina et al. 1997).




Thus, without any compelling counterarguments at this time, it remains difficult to escape the conclusion that numerous physical and psychological attributes are likely to slowly deteriorate in technologically advanced societies, with notable changes in average preintervention phenotypes expected on a timescale of a few generations, i.e., 100 years, in societies where medical care is widely applied. In the United States, the incidences of a variety of afflictions including autism, male infertility, asthma, immune-system disorders, diabetes, etc., already exhibit increases exceeding the expected rate. Much of this change is almost certainly due to alterations in environmental factors. However, mitigating these effects by modifications in behavior and/or medical intervention will also simply exacerbate the issues noted above by relaxing selection on any underlying genetic factors. Determining the genetic contribution to any long-term trend in phenotypic attributes will require the development and implementation of standardized measurement methods that control for historical changes in ascertainment and environmental effects.



Arguably, by providing a mechanism for partitioning of mentally demanding tasks, societal living may serve as still another way by which selection is relaxed on traits within individuals, although it may also be argued that complex societies impose selection for novel ways of processing information. It has been suggested that there has been a slow decline in intelligence in the United States and the United Kingdom over the past century (Crabtree 2013; Woodley 2015), although again the underlying issues with respect to environmental factors have not been fully resolved, and not surprisingly these arguments are controversial. The key point here is that the one truly exceptional human attribute, brain function, may be particularly responsive to mutation accumulation, possibly exhibiting a response to relaxed selection greater than the 1% benchmark suggested above.





Despite 3 billion years of natural selection, in no known organism has the base-substitution mutation rate evolved to Embedded Image per nucleotide site per cell division (Sung et al. 2012). Because this lower limit is not far from what occurs in the human germline per cell division [Embedded Image per nucleotide site per cell division (Drake et al. 1998; Lynch 2008)], no amount of human intervention at the molecular level is likely to improve the situation (although diminishing progeny production via sperm from old males would help).

LieDetector
08-17-2016, 05:25 AM
Its all the bad shit they been putting in our food. Notice how lots of companies are taking out artificial flavor, artificial colors, high fructose corn syrup , caramel color, GMOs, etc. Not to mention the fluoride in our drinking water. Yea turns out that stuff isn't so good for humans to consume. That stuff has been the cause of obesity, diabetes, cancer and GOD knows what else. Looks like we were used as guinea pigs.

Linebacker
08-17-2016, 07:05 AM
Im doing pretty well over here

LieDetector
08-17-2016, 07:20 AM
and the Narcissistic quote of the week goes to


Im doing pretty well over here

Linebacker
08-17-2016, 07:29 AM
and the Narcissistic quote of the week goes to

He did stress multiple times in the post that this study is about Western societies.

Even despite the poorer conditions and lower HDI Eastern Europe's people are much healthier with good genetics.

Grab the Gauge
08-17-2016, 07:43 AM
He did stress multiple times in the post that this study is about Western societies.

Even despite the poorer conditions and lower HDI Eastern Europe's people are much healthier with good genetics.

Westernised, not Western. What they mean is Industrialised/Post-Industrialised. Slavs actually have much worse genetic health than Western Europeans.

LieDetector
08-17-2016, 07:55 AM
Westernised, not Western. What they mean is Industrialised/Post-Industrialised. Slavs actually have much worse genetic health than Western Europeans.

That goes without saying my nigga.

Linebacker
08-17-2016, 08:08 AM
Westernised, not Western. What they mean is Industrialised/Post-Industrialised. Slavs actually have much worse genetic health than Western Europeans.

Parapapappapapap pa pa pa paaa

Eastern Euros make Western Euros looks laughable 5 days of the week + the weekend

Envy the real master race
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UkrainianGirl
08-17-2016, 08:11 AM
Im doing pretty well over here

Yeah me too lol

UkrainianGirl
08-17-2016, 08:13 AM
Westernised, not Western. What they mean is Industrialised/Post-Industrialised. Slavs actually have much worse genetic health than Western Europeans.


That goes without saying my nigga.

Well I'm in perfect health lol

Linebacker
08-17-2016, 08:14 AM
Yeah me too lol

#EasternEuroMasterRace2016

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Ülev
08-17-2016, 08:16 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Esperanza_de_vida.PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

Grab the Gauge
08-17-2016, 08:28 AM
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Esperanza_de_vida.PNG

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Life_expectancy

Increased life expectancy contributes to the deterioration of genetic health, specifically because parents are reproducing at older age, when the mutational load is heavier. A quote from the paper.


Despite 3 billion years of natural selection, in no known organism has the base-substitution mutation rate evolved to Embedded Image per nucleotide site per cell division (Sung et al. 2012). Because this lower limit is not far from what occurs in the human germline per cell division [Embedded Image per nucleotide site per cell division (Drake et al. 1998; Lynch 2008)], no amount of human intervention at the molecular level is likely to improve the situation (although diminishing progeny production via sperm from old males would help).


Subsaharan Africans are benefitting from a lower age of parentage.

Grab the Gauge
08-17-2016, 08:31 AM
Well I'm in perfect health lol

You are in visibly poor physical health and severely impoverished of mind.

Grab the Gauge
08-17-2016, 08:32 AM
Well I'm in perfect health lol

You are in visibly poor physical health and severely impoverished of mind.

Grab the Gauge
08-17-2016, 08:34 AM
Parapapappapapap pa pa pa paaa

Eastern Euros make Western Euros looks laughable 5 days of the week + the weekend

Envy the real master race


All of these people are visibly inbred deselected genetic shit.

Linebacker
08-17-2016, 08:36 AM
Stop being butthurt GTG Ukrainian girl has probably the best looks and body on the forum,I haven't seen a western euro chick here post a photo having better physique than her,the only one that did have a much more epic physique was Madonna,and she was Polish,still Eastern Euro - TKO.

UkrainianGirl
08-17-2016, 08:36 AM
You are in visibly poor physical health and severely impoverished of mind.

Hahahaha are you a doctor? Because my doctor said the opposite

Greensboro Jock
08-17-2016, 10:09 AM
Estrogen in the water and also lack of proper socialization/higher stress (competition) life styles with low physical activity

crazyladybutterfly
08-17-2016, 10:18 AM
wow for the first time i see a decent post of yours :D
but the average iq isnt lower than a century ago..

Grab the Gauge
08-17-2016, 06:10 PM
wow for the first time i see a decent post of yours :D
but the average iq isnt lower than a century ago..

Yes, it is. People can yammer on and on about this Flynn effect bullshit and how Europeans were nearly retarded during their glory days, but it doesn't make it true. People were more intelligent 100 years ago. Reaction speed has decreased by hundredths of a second. Everyone has a shittier command over their language and their handwriting is shittier. Poetry, painting and music were unquestionably superior. The quality of everything is rapidly deteriorating, nothing is produced like it used to be and no one seems to care. People are slower witted, have shittier visual abilities, a general lack of self-and-spatial awareness, and an overall similarity to an extremely dim-witted farm animal. And you really did have to be extremely intelligent to survive back when everything was more difficult.