Post red-haired Germanics and Slavs

[Sekkmer]

I thought it'd be nice to bring back member Kraft's great thread:

"We all know red hair is quite common among Celtic people. Here post people of (at least mostly) Germanic or Slavic descent who have naturally red or reddish hair." by Kraft

[Sikeliot]

Two red-haired German women:

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8581/15385418153_4667ce4b9e_b.jpg
http://l7.alamy.com/zooms/b285f303de1249f1b56b019c6936e459/portrait-of-a-german-redhaired-teenage-girl-acmj4k.jpg

[Sekkmer]

Leanna Decker possibly has some German ancestry

http://kepfeltoltes.hu/160817/kepatmeretezes_hu_13495183_1055975451154430_312368 2131472865604_n_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

[Sikeliot]

They look different from Irish and British redheads.

[Linebacker]

Very rare among Slavs.Blonde hair a plenty,but no red.

[The Blade]

I thought it'd be nice to bring back member Kraft's great thread:

"We all know red hair is quite common among Celtic people. Here post people of (at least mostly) Germanic or Slavic descent who have naturally red or reddish hair." by Kraft
Member Kraft (from now known as The Blade) appreciates this.

[Profileid]

There should be a lot of red haired Russians
https://images.encyclopediadramatica.se/7/7c/Russiahospitalit.jpg

[Sekkmer]

There should be a lot of red haired Russians

That's Udmurt impact.

[The Blade]

Helene Hammer (Norwegian)
http://i.mdel.net/newfaces/i/2014/01/dd_helenehammer_17.jpg
http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/6967757/787full-helene-hammer.jpg

[cosmoo]

There should be a lot of red haired Russians

Nope. Slavs are known to be very deficient in rufosity, especially eastern ones.

[Profileid]

Nope. Slavs are known to be very deficient in rufosity, especially eastern ones.

nigga u stoooopid
http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/red_hair_map_europe.jpg

[The Blade]

Nope. Slavs are known to be very deficient in rufosity, especially eastern ones.
Yeah, at least originally. When I created the thread (I am former member Kraft), I rather meant the cultural aspect. Bulgarians aren't very Slavic genetically. On the other hand, rufosity was common among Thracians.
Bulgarian examples:
Desi Savova
http://inlife.bg/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Desi-Savova-1.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-USXGgPPLsMg/VbNiI71CuSI/AAAAAAABGKE/tx4DNOMgMyM/s1600/03%2Bl%2Bb.jpg
Gergana Malkodanska
https://cache1.24chasa.bg/Images/Cache/421/Image_4302421_128.jpg

[cosmoo]

nigga u stoooopid
http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/red_hair_map_europe.jpg
1: Eupedia maps suck. This map is based on personal opinions of jackasses like Maciamo, with absolutely zero research backing it up.
2: This red spot in Russia represents peoples like Udmurts, among whom (allegedly, because not much anthropological data supports it) rufosity is common.

[The Blade]

1: Eupedia maps suck. This map is based on personal opinions of jackasses like Maciamo, with absolutely zero research backing it up.
2: This red spot in Russia represents peoples like Udmurts, among whom (allegedly, because not much anthropological data supports it) rufosity is common.
+1 - Eupedia maps really suck.
And yes, Udmurts are said to be among the most red-haired people in the world.

[cosmoo]

Yeah, at least originally. When I created the thread (I am former member Kraft), I rather meant the cultural aspect. Bulgarians aren't very Slavic genetically. On the other hand, rufosity was common among Thracians.
Bulgarian examples:
Desi Savova
http://inlife.bg/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/Desi-Savova-1.jpg
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-USXGgPPLsMg/VbNiI71CuSI/AAAAAAABGKE/tx4DNOMgMyM/s1600/03%2Bl%2Bb.jpg
Gergana Malkodanska
https://cache1.24chasa.bg/Images/Cache/421/Image_4302421_128.jpg
Thracians may have had red hair, but as far as I know that assumption is based on records of Greco-Roman writers, who describe absolutely all barbarian peoples as "rufous".
By "Slavs" I generally meant pure, northern Slavs, not southern ones. Coon noted very high rufosity among us, for example, and explicitly compared it to other Slavs:
The rufosity of the Montenegrins, and their tendency to golden blondism, is not only extreme, but is particularly unusual for this part of Europe. It will be recalled that the Serbians, traditionally close relatives of the Montenegrins, are much darker haired, and that the Slavs in general, when blond, favor the ash-blond side of the scale, being almost entirely deficient in rufosity.

[The Blade]

Thracians may have had red hair, but as far as I know that assumption is based on records of Greco-Roman writers, who describe absolutely all barbarian peoples as "rufous".
By "Slavs" I generally meant pure, northern Slavs, not southern ones. Coon noted very high rufosity among us, for example, and explicitly compared it to other Slavs:
The rufosity of the Montenegrins, and their tendency to golden blondism, is not only extreme, but is particularly unusual for this part of Europe. It will be recalled that the Serbians, traditionally close relatives of the Montenegrins, are much darker haired, and that the Slavs in general, when blond, favor the ash-blond side of the scale, being almost entirely deficient in rufosity.
I know Greeks described them this way but they (Thracians) were generally mixture of Mediterranean and Nordic phenotypes. They had different types of people - dark-haired with blue eyes, redheads with light eyes, brown-haired people with light or brown eyes, brown-eyed blondes (light-eyed also), people with dark hair and brown eyes, etc. You get my point. As for Montenegrins - I haven't got enough experience with them but I suppose you are right. I also know they are among the tallest Europeans nowadays.

[cosmoo]

+1 - Eupedia maps really suck.
And yes, Udmurts are said to be among the most red-haired people in the world.
But are they really?
As far as I know, most of that assumption is based on utterly wrong Eupedia's theory that red hair was brought with R1b carriers, and that Udmurts must have lots of red hair since they have lots of R1b (they cherrypicked photos of redhead Udmurts, ofc, to support their theory).
This assumption is utterly wrong, since we know both from anthropology and genetics (oldest find of red hair is in 30.000 year old hunter-gatherer from Belgium) that rufosity in hair is trait of UP Europeans, not of R1b carriers.

[Profileid]

1: Eupedia maps suck. This map is based on personal opinions of jackasses like Maciamo, with absolutely zero research backing it up.
2: This red spot in Russia represents peoples like Udmurts, among whom (allegedly, because not much anthropological data supports it) rufosity is common.

So what? Russians live in all the areas with red hair,you can't tell me this is all udmurts

[The Blade]

But are they really?
As far as I know, most of that assumption is based on utterly wrong Eupedia's theory that red hair was brought with R1b carriers, and that Udmurts must have lots of red hair since they have lots of R1b (they cherrypicked photos of redhead Udmurts, ofc, to support their theory).
This assumption is utterly wrong, since we know both from anthropology and genetics (oldest find of red hair is in 30.000 year old hunter-gatherer from Belgium) that rufosity in hair is trait of UP Europeans, not of R1b carriers.
Generally, I agree with you, but I would like to note that the mixing between Upper Paleolithics and R1b people drastically lowered the rate of red-haired people in Western Europe. In Eastern and Southern it is even rarer.

[The Blade]

Michael Amott (born in London but of Swedish ancestry) is a natural redhead
http://www.fourteeng.net/photos/ozz05arche03.jpg

[cosmoo]

So what? Russians live in all the areas with red hair,you can't tell me this is all udmurts
Again, I tell you, this map is based on no research at all. It's more or less map of R1b...
Now that spot in Russia is meant to symbolize Udmurts (again, because of Eupedia R1b=red hair theory), not Russians living there. Can't you understand that?
I already posted above Coon's quote about general absence of rufosity among Slavs, but here are some observations from Poland and Russia chapter from "The Races of Europe":
The pigmentation of the population, by and large, is Nordic in shades and in intensity; the virtual absence of rufosity argues against the presence of many Palaeolithic survivors of the types found in western Europe. (Poland)
[...]
There is little or no truly black hair, and rufosity is almost absent. (Russia)
(chapter XII, section 9, TRoE)

Generally, I agree with you, but I would like to note that the mixing between Upper Paleolithics and R1b people drastically lowered the rate of red-haired people in Western Europe. In Eastern and Southern it is even rarer.
Yes, we can generally say that level of rufosity (various degrees of reddish pigment in hair and beard, freckling, very fair skin, etc.) is directly linked to level of UP European types in particular area.

[Profileid]

Again, I tell you, this map is based on no research at all. It's more or less map of R1b...
Now that spot in Russia is meant to symbolize Udmurts (again, because of Eupedia R1b=red hair theory), not Russians living there. Can't you understand that?
I already posted above Coon's quote about general absence of rufosity among Slavs, but here are some observations from Poland and Russia chapter from "The Races of Europe":
The pigmentation of the population, by and large, is Nordic in shades and in intensity; the virtual absence of rufosity argues against the presence of many Palaeolithic survivors of the types found in western Europe. (Poland)
[...]
There is little or no truly black hair, and rufosity is almost absent. (Russia)
(chapter XII, section 9, TRoE)

There are many red haired Russians, as I have stated previously. Hell, even many ashkenazi jews have red hair

[The Blade]

Yes, we can generally say that level of rufosity (various degrees of reddish pigment in hair and beard, freckling, very fair skin, etc.) is directly linked to level of UP European types in particular area.
My paternal grandma had reddish brown hair (before her hair getting grey). A friend of mine is, on the other hand, brown-haired but with a really red beard.

[Ülev]

this was here once

Revenge of the Redheads


https://youtu.be/ky9Ox9kKmLg

[Not a Cop]

There are many red haired Russians, as I have stated previously. Hell, even many ashkenazi jews have red hair

It's far less than 1% among Russians.

[Dick]

red hair is from neanderthals

[Voskos]

https://snag.gy/IGfyYD.jpg
https://snag.gy/taKq6M.jpg

[gypsyserb]

Thracians may have had red hair, but as far as I know that assumption is based on records of Greco-Roman writers, who describe absolutely all barbarian peoples as "rufous".
By "Slavs" I generally meant pure, northern Slavs, not southern ones. Coon noted very high rufosity among us, for example, and explicitly compared it to other Slavs:
The rufosity of the Montenegrins, and their tendency to golden blondism, is not only extreme, but is particularly unusual for this part of Europe. It will be recalled that the Serbians, traditionally close relatives of the Montenegrins, are much darker haired, and that the Slavs in general, when blond, favor the ash-blond side of the scale, being almost entirely deficient in rufosity.

lol you know nothing.

[gypsyserb]

But are they really?
As far as I know, most of that assumption is based on utterly wrong Eupedia's theory that red hair was brought with R1b carriers, and that Udmurts must have lots of red hair since they have lots of R1b (they cherrypicked photos of redhead Udmurts, ofc, to support their theory).
This assumption is utterly wrong, since we know both from anthropology and genetics (oldest find of red hair is in 30.000 year old hunter-gatherer from Belgium) that rufosity in hair is trait of UP Europeans, not of R1b carriers.

lol.

[autist romany]

Nope. Slavs are known to be very deficient in rufosity, especially eastern ones.

fantasy wild again lol

[Sekkmer]

http://kepfeltoltes.hu/161005/red_hair_map_europe_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

Inside the yellow ring, I have a redhead green eyed family in my street, they're almost my neighbours. Very Slavo-Germanic looking individuals.

[Myanthropologies]

Very rare among Slavs.Blonde hair a plenty,but no red.

Some Russian regions have a lot of red hair

[The Blade]

I see the photo of Swede Michael Amott I posted has disappeared, so I post more:
http://www.metal-rules.com/interviews/images/AE_michael.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v697/Megadeth7684/Random/9a181d53.jpg

[Myanthropologies]

There are many red haired Russians, as I have stated previously. Hell, even many ashkenazi jews have red hair

LOL no they don't.

[Profileid]

LOL no they don't.

They do

[Myanthropologies]

They do
They really don't. I've seen a good number of blonde ones, but I've never met a red haired jew.

[Peterski]

http://kepfeltoltes.hu/161005/red_hair_map_europe_www.kepfeltoltes.hu_.jpg

Inside the yellow ring, I have a redhead green eyed family in my street, they're almost my neighbours. Very Slavo-Germanic looking individuals.

I'm from this region of Poland (inside the yellow ring), and I confirm that red hair is not so uncommon here (e.g. one of my cousins is a redhead, in high school I had two redheads in my class, etc.):

https://s3.postimg.org/m13q3q1v7/Wielkopolska.png

[Peterski]

They really don't. I've seen a good number of blonde ones, but I've never met a red haired jew.

Yes there are some blonde Jews, but also some ginger Jews:

https://www.google.pl/search?q=redhaired+Jews&client=opera&hs=QI5&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjarLbOkNjPAhUDjCwKHdTeB5gQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=658#imgrc=_

https://www.google.pl/search?q=redhaired+Jews&client=opera&hs=QI5&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjarLbOkNjPAhUDjCwKHdTeB5gQ_AUICCgB&biw=1366&bih=658#tbm=isch&q=red+haired+Jews

Skip to 2:55 and you can also see some redhead Jews here:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCJxsbaVR3s

[Rethel]

Inside the yellow ring, I have a redhead green eyed family in my street, they're almost my neighbours. Very Slavo-Germanic looking individuals.

Normal foR1 Pannonians.


I'm from this region of Poland (inside the yellow ring),

You almost circled whole Poland, so Idk which region do you have in mind :)

[Sekkmer]

Lena Katina, russian

http://iv1.lisimg.com/image/9399860/740full-lena-katina.jpg
http://www.nndb.com/people/800/000028716/lena-katina-2-sized.jpg

[Peterski]

Slavs are known to be very deficient in rufosity

West Slavs have some. In my region redheads are not rare. For example I have a red-haired cousin (interestingly, her parents are not red-haired and neither is her sister). Also for example in my class in High School there were IIRC two redheads, one girl and one guy. So several percent of the class were redheads.

[Sekkmer]

Tomáš Sedláček, czech but he looks NW European

http://files.cern1.webnode.cz/200000038-239762589e/TS.jpg
http://img.ihned.cz/attachment.php/420/54438420/CxVpNbs6Adtec48PW5TB7OER0USJfioM/sedlacek_2.jpg

[Peterski]

In a sample of 28,000 ethnic Poles from various regions published by Górny (in 1972) ca. 1.6% had typical red hair (shades I and III in Fisher-Saller scale) and probably around 3% had "auburn" hair (shades II and IV-VI in Fisher-Saller scale):

http://antropologia-fizyczna.pl/statystyki-krajow-regionow-populacji/Polska/pigmentacja-wlosow-dla-calej-ludnosci-polski-1965

There is a west-to-east gradient I think, with fewer redheads in the east. In a sample of 980 Eastern Poles from Wilejka county (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vileyka) in what is now Northern Belarus, published by Sobolski (in 1925), there were only 3 typical redheads, so 0,31%.

But in my region (Greater Poland (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Poland)), I believe that few percent of the population are redheads.

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Fischer-Saller scale: http://savepic.ru/5828530.jpg

http://savepic.ru/5828530.jpg

[Peterski]

I have a red-haired cousin (interestingly, her parents are not red-haired and neither is her sister).

She and her sister (pic from a few years ago):

http://i.imgur.com/7TrH1ld.jpg

[Rethel]

I have an orange neighbour and in school I knew personally at least 10...

In my class "0" there was 3 or 4 redheads...

[Karlangas]

Barbara Meier, German

http://ilarge.lisimg.com/image/832494/1118full-barbara-meier.jpg

[slmmr4th]

https://tverigrad.ru/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/bratya-grim_1822942-Копировать.png

[Varda]

Anastasija Đurović, Serbian actress https://youtu.be/S4PU1pJ3OmE?t=79
https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2021/11/14/13/2791747_dscf8521-1_ff.jpg?ver=1636892710
https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2021/11/14/13/2791743_d040-a082-1.27.3-1_ls.jpg
https://www.kurir.rs/data/images/2021/11/27/14/2808843_skola-nenadovica-samir-dervisagic-1_ff.jpg?ver=1638021114