What did the Ancient North Eurasians look like?

[Shepherd]

Like Finns?

[decordoba]

I am sure you have any idea how they did look like ;)

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this pic is well known, but not sure if this imagination is true Ancient North Eurasian.

[CrazyDaisy]

Maybe like Chumacero.
http://imagenes.bolivia.interlatin.com/sdi/2015/06/10/1c764e55af9e4adb98c5e921d17401d0.jpg

[Myanthropologies]

I've always wanted to know what they look like too. Pashtuns have quite a bit of that stuff.

[zarzian]

There is a great misconception in subjecting a siberian look to ANE, as the name aptly suggests, these were Ancient
North Eurasians and not modern Mongoloid influenced North Eurasians, the original ANE were olive skinned and Fell under West Eurasian physical characteristics.

[Not a Cop]

There is a great misconception in subjecting a siberian look to ANE, as the name aptly suggests, these were Ancient
North Eurasians and not modern Mongoloid influenced North Eurasians, the original ANE were olive skinned and Fell under West Eurasian physical characteristics.

Any proof of your words? As far as i know till this day not a single pure ANE individual was found.

[Grab the Gauge]

There is a great misconception in subjecting a siberian look to ANE, as the name aptly suggests, these were Ancient
North Eurasians and not modern Mongoloid influenced North Eurasians, the original ANE were olive skinned and Fell under West Eurasian physical characteristics.

LOL, I'm afraid you are wrong.

There is no arguing this issue, it's not up for debate anymore. We know exactly what the Ancient North Eurasians looked like, they were Mongoloid East Asians. They left behind intricate self portraits as proof.

25,000 year old figurines from Mal'ta-Buret depict Mongoloids


http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/SCIENCE/Siberian-Venuses/inside_two.jpg

http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/images-art/malta-venus.jpg

Mal'ta-Buret boy was Mongoloid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%27ta-Buret%27_culture


Mongoloid features had been originally acknowledged in the skeletal remains of a child found at the site of Malta. Alexeev (1998, 323) in his later publication was more cautious, stating that this area was“inhabited by a population of Mongoloid appearance".[4]


+20,000 year old Sinodont remains from Strashnaya Cave
http://archaeology.nsc.ru/ru/about/conferenc/doc/2011_01.pdf

[Grab the Gauge]

Ancient North Eurasians came from Southeast Asia.




http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltahermitageplateback.jpg

Plate with a hole in the centre.

Mammoth tusk; carved, polished and engraved. 138 x 81 mm.
Malta Site (excavations by M.M. Gerasimov, 1928-1930), Siberia, the River Belaya, near Irkutsk, Russia
Maltinsko-buretskaya Culture. 23 000 - 19 000 BP


On one side of the plate we can see three snakes. The snake is rare in northern hemisphere Paleolithic art, presumably because the cold conditions precluded a wide distribution of snakes. In addition, it can be seen that the snakes have very broad heads, as though they belong to the Cobra group - yet Cobras are now known only in southern asian localities.

http://donsmaps.com/images24/cobradistributionmap.jpg

As an example, here is the present distribution of the King Cobra.


http://donsmaps.com/malta.html

[zarzian]

LOL, I'm afraid you are wrong.

There is no arguing this issue, it's not up for debate anymore. We know exactly what the Ancient North Eurasians looked like, they were Mongoloid East Asians. They left behind intricate self portraits as proof.

25,000 year old figurines from Mal'ta-Buret depict Mongoloids


http://siberiantimes.com/PICTURES/SCIENCE/Siberian-Venuses/inside_two.jpg

http://www.visual-arts-cork.com/images-art/malta-venus.jpg

Mal'ta-Buret boy was Mongoloid

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mal%27ta-Buret%27_culture




+20,000 year old Sinodont remains from Strashnaya Cave
http://archaeology.nsc.ru/ru/about/conferenc/doc/2011_01.pdf

I'm not sure how valid it is to draw conclusions on the phenotype pf a people based on their venus figurines. Regardless, from the paper which published the Ma'lta boy DNA, "a substantial minority of the ancestry of modern Native Americans derives from a North Eurasian population which has closer affinities to West Eurasians than East Eurasians"
http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v505/n7481/full/nature12736.html

And this treegraph puts the Ma'lta in a West Eurasian branch
https://s3.postimg.org/vmvm190r7/image.png (https://postimg.org/image/bfi68y39r/)image hosting site (https://postimage.org/)

[Petalpusher]

Chuvash or Ket are the best proxies we have, although still synthetic approximations. They don't score fully ANE, nobody does anymore, but their components recreate something close to Mal'ta or AG2-3 ethnically, similarly to Sardinians being an approximation of early farming cultures. Half WHG half Karitiana at a larger Eurasian scale could work somehow too. How they evolved physically from Mal'ta time (24ky), to what was brought of it via the steppes is probably another matter.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

like Kets or Selkups

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b8/Selkups.jpg

[johen]

They were american Indians.

Intriguingly, individuals of the Bronze Age Okunevo culture from the Sayano-Altai region (Fig. 1) are related to present-day Native Americans (Extended Data Fig. 2d), which confirms previous craniometric studies30. This finding implies that Okunevo could represent a remnant population related to the Upper Palaeolithic Mal’ta hunter-gatherer population from Lake Baikal that contributed genetic material to Native Americans

https://s31.postimg.io/5qn0sb09n/Capture2.png

[zarzian]

They were american Indians.


https://s31.postimg.io/5qn0sb09n/Capture2.png

Actually The American Indians were half ANE, which was a Western Eurasian, predominantly Caucasoid population. The other half of Native Americans is a Han related group.

[Myanthropologies]

Actually The American Indians were half ANE, which was a Western Eurasian, predominantly Caucasoid population. The other half of Native Americans is a Han related group.

So are mestizos more caucasoid than we think they are?

[zarzian]

So are mestizos more caucasoid than we think they are?

Are Native Americans closer to Caucasoids then the Han? Yes, since they have direct ancestry from ANE. But Native Americans have diverged so much from other populations that they form their own components at low K's.

[Dandelion]

They were not olive-skinned. None of the ANEs to date carry the derived alleles for SLC24A5, SLC45A2, and so on. Unless they had their own unique depigmentation alleles that we don't know about- they would have been rather dark-skinned.

[HectorOfTroy]

Maybe they looked somewhat like these guys minus the coloration since its proven ANE had blonde hair pigmentation.
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If native americans are Caucasoid (ANE) + Mongoloid (Those proto-mongoloid groups living alongside the ANE) then the more Caucasoid manifestations of their appearance must be the ANE showing I'd think.

Earliest native americans like Spirit Cave Mummy had almost entirely caucasoid features, probably some rare early branches of paleo americans that were mostly ANE i'd assume, although these mostly caucasoid paleo americans still looked apart from most europeans by the fact that they have ball-like protrusive cheekbones. Some eastern europeans also have these features, and I saw a genetic plot that Russians and Russian like groups score plot pretty closely to ANE sample/s.

115760 Sleeping Beauty of Loulan, about 4000 years old. These group of mummies from China were pretty much confirmed to be ANE by genetics.