Classify very dark-skinned South Italian

[jebediah]

http://www.liga3-online.de/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/W%C3%BCrzburgSoriano2gro%C3%9F-imago.jpg

http://akacdn.transfermarkt.de/images/portrait/originals/50674-1457034870.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/Elia_Soriano.jpg/312px-Elia_Soriano.jpg



http://media.gettyimages.com/photos/elia-soriano-poses-during-the-team-presentation-of-stuttgarter-at-picture-id450940410

http://mediadb.kicker.de/2016/fussball/spieler/xl/45073_7283_20160131845.jpg

[Kamal900]

Looks Semitic to me. Um, Gazan or something..no offense.

[jebediah]

Well he's definitely one of the darkest I've seen

[Spyy]

Ariana Grande's brother

sorry, I dont know the answer, but Paleoatlantid + something else would be my opinion

[Kamal900]

Ariana Grande's brother

sorry, I dont know the answer, but Paleoatlantid + something else would be my opinion

Hmm, i think she's more lighter looking than him.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Now this is someone who is definiTely mixed.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Well he's definitely one of the darkest I've seen

Its because he likely isnt full italian , its not the skin tone for me thats odd . his features arent from this planet

[Sikeliot]

Which region is he from?

He looks simultaneously Arabian and North African. Definitely one of the most exotic I have seen.

[Kamal900]

Now this is someone who is definiTely mixed.

Maybe with Moroccan or Sahrawi or something.

[Seth MacFarlane]

He looks simultaneously Arabian and North African.

Thats what i was thinking , like An egytian. ...Wierd

[jebediah]

He's from Darmstadt germany from a family of Italian origin supposedly.

[Sikeliot]

I'd question whether or not he is really fully Italian then.

[Kamal900]

Thats what i was thinking , like An egytian. ...Wierd

And Gazan too.

[Seth MacFarlane]

And Gazan too.

Gazans are mixed with egyptians

[Insuperable]

I'd question whether or not he is really fully Italian then.

He picked nice photos. Look up some interviews on Youtube and give us another opinion.

[jebediah]

Here is an article in Italian about this guy's brother who's also from Germany: http://ricerca.repubblica.it/repubblica/archivio/repubblica/2014/11/12/la-rivincita-dellemigrante-soriano-quanti-sacrifici-per-riuscire-a-tornare50.html

At the bottom says this about his brother:

"Roberto Soriano, 23 anni, nato in Germania da genitori italiani, da tre stagioni alla Sampdoria"

[Kamal900]

Gazans are mixed with egyptians

Heavily too, but then again, nothing wrong with that since Gaza's history is pretty much tied with Egypt since ancient times and all that.

[Pahli]

The WHG failed to save this one

[Kamal900]

The WHG failed to save this one

Its too late to save him..he's one of us now.

[Pahli]

Its too late to save him..he's one of us now.

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/dc/dcb8fac9dd1e4b6a1ae3ae43da0d3bfff53d3cdcc83395cb8f b4df770e302287.jpg

He is darker than me ... I would be very concerned if I was Italian.

[VelvetNono2]

Very exotic looking for an Italian (even for Southern Italy).

His name is Elia Soriano. He is (according to the information I've gathered), "an Italian-German footballer who plays for Würzburger Kickers. He is the older brother of Roberto Soriano."

There isn't much information about him, so I had to look up information about his brother (assuming he's more famous).

This is what I found from his brother's (Roberto Soriano) Wikipedia page:

Soriano was born in the German city of Darmstadt to a family from Sperone, Province of Avellino, Italy.

So he, along with his brother, (apparently) is of Campanian descent.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Soriano

This is his brother (Roberto Soriano):
http://images1.minutemediacdn.com/production/912x516/56bb43ded26d5c7947000002.jpg
http://news.meridianbet.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/roberto_soriano.jpg

[Voskos]

He seems to have some sort of cranial dysmorphy.

[Kamal900]

http://s2.quickmeme.com/img/dc/dcb8fac9dd1e4b6a1ae3ae43da0d3bfff53d3cdcc83395cb8f b4df770e302287.jpg

He is darker than me ... I would be very concerned if I was Italian.

You look way more whiter than him despite being nearly 100 percent middle eastern. It does makes me wonder of his genetic results if he ever had one.

[Insuperable]

Very exotic looking for an Italian (even for Southern Italy).

His name is Elia Soriano. He is (according to the information I've gathered), "an Italian-German footballer who plays for Würzburger Kickers. He is the older brother of Roberto Soriano."

There isn't much information about him, so I had to look up information about his brother (assuming he's more famous).

This is what I found from his brother's (Roberto Soriano) Wikipedia page:


So he, along with his brother, (apparently) is of Campanian descent.

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Soriano

This is his brother (Roberto Soriano):
http://images1.minutemediacdn.com/production/912x516/56bb43ded26d5c7947000002.jpg
http://news.meridianbet.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/roberto_soriano.jpg

I thought that is him.:picard1: There are two brothers footballers.

[barkoo]

Very exotic looking for an Italian (even for Southern Italy).

His name is Elia Soriano. He is (according to the information I've gathered), "an Italian-German footballer who plays for Würzburger Kickers. He is the older brother of Roberto Soriano."

There isn't much information about him, so I had to look up information about his brother (assuming he's more famous).

This is what I found from his brother's (Roberto Soriano) Wikipedia page:

So he, along with his brother, (apparently) is of Campanian descent.


Sometimes Campania can produce types like these, but very isolated from the rest of Italy (except for Sicilia ), but these types are very very low regarding the rest of the population, even for Campania.

[lyllo]

I don't even know how to put it, but if he's fully Campanian then I don't consider southern Italians European anymore.

[Pahli]

You look way more whiter than him despite being nearly 100 percent middle eastern. It does makes me wonder of his genetic results if he ever had one.

He is 100% East Med

[Kamal900]

Sometimes Campania can produce types like these, but very isolated from the rest of Italy (except for Sicilia ), but these types are very very low regarding the rest of the population, even for Campania.

Is Campania just as dark as other Southern Italians?

[Kamal900]

He is 100% East Med

And Aegyptid or Arabid.

[Profileid]

But I thought all Italians were either blond or had light brown hair.
has italicpoops been wrong this whole time?

[jebediah]

Is Campania just as dark as other Southern Italians?

The Calabrese are most consistently dark, while in Campania you have more variation.

[barkoo]

Is Campania just as dark as other Southern Italians?

Especially Napoli is very dark, it's more about the features also, like Emis Killa who look a bit like me (also Campanian )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iQbtfDg7sFc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAElw/agnhV3wIExs/s0-c-k-no-ns/photo.jpg

Surely due to Mid-Est or Jewish descent when they ruled the region, i don't know.

[jebediah]

Especially Napoli is very dark, it's more about the features also, like Emis Killa who look a bit like me (also Campanian )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iQbtfDg7sFc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAElw/agnhV3wIExs/s0-c-k-no-ns/photo.jpg

Surely due to Mid-Est or Jewish descent when they ruled the region, i don't know.

From what I've read Emis Killa is half-Lombard and half-Sicilian.

[Kamal900]

Especially Napoli is very dark, it's more about the features also, like Emis Killa who look a bit like me (also Campanian )

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-iQbtfDg7sFc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAElw/agnhV3wIExs/s0-c-k-no-ns/photo.jpg

Surely due to Mid-Est or Jewish descent when they ruled the region, i don't know.

Hmm, he looks distinctly Sicilian or Cypriot, but he can pass in the Levant, especially Lebanon.

[barkoo]

From what I've read Emis Killa is half-Lombard and half-Sicilian.

Yeah right, i just read it, i thought he was from Napoli..he looks Campanian

[barkoo]

Hmm, he looks distinctly Sicilian or Cypriot, but he can pass in the Levant, especially Lebanon.

Could he pass elsewhere in Levant or Mid-East according to you ?

[Kamal900]

Could he pass elsewhere in Levant or Mid-East according to you ?

Yes, he can, but he looks Southern Italian first and foremost.

[Danaan]

Now this is someone who is definiTely mixed.

Yes and no. I mean, yes he is 'mixed' but a very light North Italian is 'mixed' too, maybe equally mixed (for example Celtic + Germanic + Roman at least). Everyone is mixed.

[Azad Beg]

Interesting, looks like those wannabe-rapper Kurds you see in Europe.

[Sikeliot]

Is Campania just as dark as other Southern Italians?

Some parts of Campania, yes. Naples and south along the coast have types like Calabria and Sicily, while inland regions are lighter and look more European. I recently met a Neapolitan woman who looked so much like Kathy Najimy for instance, but I would not expect such types far inland.

[Green]

very italian.

[Hungarian_master]

Arabid+CM.

[Heather Duval]

Ariana Grande's brother

sorry, I dont know the answer, but Paleoatlantid + something else would be my opinion

Ariana grande's brother
http://images.latinpost.com/data/images/full/23869/ariana-grande-turns-to-kabbalah-for-her-brother-frankie-grande.jpg
http://cdn03.cdn.justjaredjr.com/wp-content/uploads/headlines/2015/11/ari-frankie.jpg
http://starcasm.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/07/Frankie-Grande-and-his-Grandpa.jpg
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/K78w2w2VHhM/maxresdefault.jpg
sorry but ariana whole family are light skinned.

[Wadaad]

He looks MENA

[Wadaad]

Hmm, he looks distinctly Sicilian or Cypriot, but he can pass in the Levant, especially Lebanon.

your sig made me spill my drink, lmao!

[Sikeliot]

Ariana Grande's actual brother could pass as stereotypical Jewish.

[juliachild]

he is very atypical but you his type even among the greeks here and there.

[aherne]

Passes as Pashto. Extremely atypical outside Indo-Iranian contact region...

[Böri]

The sort of people who participated to the Spartacus rebellion then got lost inside the native folk, I guess.

[Wadaad]

The sort of people who participated to the Spartacus rebellion then got lost inside the native folk, I guess.

Seems like even Italy has its kiros...

[crazyladybutterfly]

he is a roma

[crazyladybutterfly]

He looks MENA

mena + indian *

[The Blade]

Looks Arab.

[jmls]

Saharid+CM

[21993]

Berberid

[Ruggery]

Trans-med

[aherne]

Looks Gypsy: Indian + Balkan European...

[Oghuz]

Robust Nord Indid

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Looks like a local Bangladeshi (Sylheti), around here.

He's dark but, it's his facial features that look Asian.

I once met this Italian bird, a student from Rome, looked like she was Middle Eastern or mixed African. Had the same surname as a Lazio player (this is back in '02), but can't remember the name now.

She looked so tanned, I couldn't believe she was Italian. Even more tanned than a tanned Maltese person.

[Ruggery]

Looks like a local Bangladeshi (Sylheti), around here.

He's dark but, it's his facial features that look Asian.

I once met this Italian bird, a student from Rome, looked like she was Middle Eastern or mixed African. Had the same surname as a Lazio player (this is back in '02), but can't remember the name now.

She looked so tanned, I couldn't believe she was Italian. Even more tanned than a tanned Maltese person.

There are elements of the Middle East in southern Italy.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

What about Romans? (Is this the right term, for people from Rome?)

I met an Argentinian of Italian ancestry, he looked like a typical Italian. lol.

[Samnium]

Never seen a S.Italian like him, even the most exotic one, something strange must have happened in his bloodline, or he has likely extremely outlying results.

[Pro.crasti.nation]

Taking a second look, the lips look very African/Middle Eastern, they're the wrong shape and weight for Bangladeshi or regular desi. Very Arab/African. Changing my answer to MENA, emphasis NA.

[CommonSense]

Never seen a S.Italian like him, even the most exotic one, something strange must have happened in his bloodline, or he has likely extremely outlying results.

Is he really more exotic to you than Donnarumma?

[MinervaItalica]

Op was a champion cherrypicker troll clown.

He used sock accounts (and probably still use).

[Bakha]

Lol
Euroafricanid

[Samnium]

Is he really more exotic to you than Donnarumma?

I think definitely.

[Latinus]

Now, this is an exotic Italian!!!!!!

[Samnium]

There are elements of the Middle East in southern Italy.

You know nothing about S.Italy genetics, please stay.quiet before talking about something that you don't have any clue about.

[Rohanspiritual]

A fearsome Arab.
A remnant of the Arab invasions of Italy.

[Rohanspiritual]

You know nothing about S.Italy genetics, please stay.quiet before talking about something that you don't have any clue about.

There are reasonably light looking Italians who have done 23andme test and put it on YouTube, and they have discovered significant MENA admixture. Same with Greek.

[Ruggery]

You know nothing about S.Italy genetics, please stay.quiet before talking about something that you don't have any clue about.

Look for genetic maps of southern Italy, and you'll see.

[Samnium]

Look for genetic maps of southern Italy, and you'll see.MENA means nothing in genetics, keep in mind.

CHG/Iran_N admixture is present in a lot of european countries. S.Italians have very high level of CHG and somewhat decreased levels of EEF and Steppe (in general). That explains their genetic profile.

What I would call as stranger is Arabian/North-African admixture found only in some places.

So your "MENA" rhetoric is ridiculous.

[Tellerin]

Is there light-skinned South Italians?

[Rohanspiritual]

Is there light-skinned South Italians?




Yes:
92587

[Samnium]

Is there light-skinned South Italians?

All my italian family :) nearly 0 olive skinned individual

[Samnium]

There are reasonably light looking Italians who have done 23andme test and put it on YouTube, and they have discovered significant MENA admixture. Same with Greek.

23andme is purely garbage, "MENA" admixture is nothing more than the East-Med continuum that extend until Levant (and particuliarly the first populations, Christian Lebanese and Druze), nothing to do with Bedouins or North-Africans though some populations of this continuum score these populations.

[Rohanspiritual]

23andme is purely garbage, "MENA" admixture is nothing more than the East-Med continuum that extend until Levant (and particuliarly the first populations, Christian Lebanese and Druze), nothing to do with Bedouins or North-Africans though some populations of this continuum score these populations.

Hey, I hope you're right. I'd love to think that some of the ancient Romans and Greeks were swarthy as some of the Italians and Greeks you see today.

[Samnium]

Hey, I hope you're right. I'd love to think that some of the ancient Romans and Greeks were swarthy as some of the Italians and Greeks you see today.Ancient greeks were probably more eastern/aegean than the modern one that have veen highly slavic admixed but they didn't look like Saudis I mean.

If you want to see a good picture of what a Ancient greek could like see the Minoan frescoes. Certainly an eastern vibe but very fair skinned and anatolian features rather than semitic or north-afican.



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[Adamastor]

Ancient greeks were probably more eastern/aegean than the modern one that have veen highly slavic admixed but they didn't look like Saudis I mean.

If you want to see a good picture of what a Ancient greek could like see the Minoan frescoes. Certainly an eastern vibe but very fair skinned and anatolian features rather than semitic or north-afican.



To be fair, there are Minoans who were likely darker and even much darker than the guy on the OP.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AGF4Fc9ezfI/WGqIiBBnZPI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/khcyADxI2lgJaQo6z0X57SB3Rqtw9d34wCLcB/s1600/minoans%2Bbearing%2Bgifts.jpg

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Minoan/Minoan_fish.jpg

http://www.phoenician.org/Minoan_procession_fresco_crete.jpg

Why such dark people existed there if they were mostly EEF (supposedly to be light-skinned) is a mystery. But probably the same as why MENAs are dark, if I recall correctly many MENAs were supposed to be light-skinned by genetics alone and many of them are even dark-brown/indian type of brown.

I wouldn't even say some MENAs are dark only for SSA admixture, certainly their other components (East Med, Southwest Asian, Red Sea etc) don't help a lot in making someone lighter.

[CostaRicaBall]

When you realize why italians weren't considered white some years ago and why romans didnt want to share the citizenship with them....

[Samnium]

To be fair, there are Minoans who were likely darker and even much darker than the guy on the OP.

https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-AGF4Fc9ezfI/WGqIiBBnZPI/AAAAAAAAAmQ/khcyADxI2lgJaQo6z0X57SB3Rqtw9d34wCLcB/s1600/minoans%2Bbearing%2Bgifts.jpg

http://realhistoryww.com/world_history/ancient/Images_Minoan/Minoan_fish.jpg

http://www.phoenician.org/Minoan_procession_fresco_crete.jpg

Why such dark people existed there if they were mostly EEF (supposedly to be light-skinned) is a mystery. But probably the same as why MENAs are dark, if I recall correctly many MENAs were supposed to be light-skinned by genetics alone and many of them are even dark-brown/indian type of brown.

I wouldn't even say some MENAs are dark only for SSA admixture, certainly their other components (East Med, Southwest Asian, Red Sea etc) don't help a lot in making someone lighter.The minoan frescoes tha I've seen show mostly fair skinned individuals. I'm pretty sure that these guys weren't really what an average minoan would look like, it's simply not possible given their genetics.

I don't think that East Med is a darkening component, SW Asian definitely yes.

But I think we should forget Gedmatch for that kind of analysis.

[Atlantid]

CM + med + SSA Looks North African.

[Nassbean]

CM + med + SSA Looks North African.

No he doesn't look NA he looks more Middle easterner

[MinervaItalica]

When you realize why italians weren't considered white some years ago and why romans didnt want to share the citizenship with them....

:confused:

[Atlantid]

No he doesn't look NA he looks more Middle easterner

92593 He looks like this Moroccan Real Madrid player.

[Sp_loa]

Looks North African

[Nassbean]

92593 He looks like this Moroccan Real Madrid player.

he doesn't look like him and this moroccan player has a haratin mother (black) :

https://i.imgur.com/iJf7rko.jpg

[Nassbean]

Looks North African

no he doesn't look NA

[Atlantid]

no he doesn't look NA

It's not even his colouring that makes him look bizarre but his archaic short forehead and archaic cheekbones. Only North Africans have this look, not Arabids, East Alpines, or Iranids. Maybe Turks?

[Arch Hades]

The Neanderthal ancestry is definitely very strong in him.

[Nassbean]

It's not even his colouring that makes him look bizarre but his archaic short forehead and archaic cheekbones. Only North Africans have this look, not Arabids, East Alpines, or Iranids. Maybe Turks?

Personally he makes me think of some assyrian/mesopotamian groups

[Samnium]

Personally he makes me think of some assyrian/mesopotamian groups

Not at all.

He even doesn't look Middle-East, he looks South Asian IMO.

[Mingle]

Never seen a S.Italian like him, even the most exotic one, something strange must have happened in his bloodline, or he has likely extremely outlying results.

There was a woman with pseudo-Mongoloid features that turned out 100% European on a DNA test (she was posted here on TA). If Europeans with pseudo-Mongoloid features can exist with no recent East Asian ancestry, I don't see why people like him can't exist. He's very atypical sure, but that doesn't mean he's mixed. He'd just be an exotic South Euro like how those East Euros and North Euros with pseudo-Mongoloid features are also exotic.

[Latinus]

There was a woman with pseudo-Mongoloid features that turned out 100% European on a DNA test (she was posted here on TA). If Europeans with pseudo-Mongoloid features can exist with no recent East Asian ancestry, I don't see why people like him can't exist. He's very atypical sure, but that doesn't mean he's mixed. He'd just be an exotic South Euro like how those East Euros and North Euros with pseudo-Mongoloid features are also exotic.True. We can't affirm anything without him doing a DNA test.

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[Samnium]

There was a woman with pseudo-Mongoloid features that turned out 100% European on a DNA test (she was posted here on TA). If Europeans with pseudo-Mongoloid features can exist with no recent East Asian ancestry, I don't see why people like him can't exist. He's very atypical sure, but that doesn't mean he's mixed. He'd just be an exotic South Euro like how those East Euros and North Euros with pseudo-Mongoloid features are also exotic.

He can have outlying results.

It's not necessarily that he's mixed.

[Nassbean]

Not at all.

He even doesn't look Middle-East, he looks South Asian IMO.

South asian ?? not at all he pass more among these people :

https://i.imgur.com/ZrhhFW0.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/eTJ3rau.jpg

[Tauromachos]

The Neanderthal ancestry is definitely very strong in him.

Neanderthals had rather light hair i think

[archangel]

Cro Mangnon

[Enr1989]

I would guess this guy is from Arabian Peninsula,
EastMed+Arabid+something more robust

[leisitox]

East-med+Berid+Arabid influence

[Tauromachos]

He seems to have some sort of cranial dysmorphy.



Thats probably Albo influence^
,i guess Gheg Albanian

[Atlantid]

He might also be just an Italian Med with several African ancestors. Many slaves of the Roman Empire are still living in Italy as Italians; the genetics of Southern Italy are all over the place. To me he looks like Hakimi, who has a Black mother.

[Smeagol]

He might also be just an Italian Med with several African ancestors. Many slaves of the Roman Empire are still living in Italy as Italians; the genetics of Southern Italy are all over the place.

That isn't true, mainland S. Italians won't score above 1-3% SSA. There were more Germanic slaves than Africans.

[Samnium]

He might also be just an Italian Med with several African ancestors.

I don't think so, he has either outlying genetic results or it's simply genetic randomness. The first option doesn't imply that he has African ancestors, it's so idiot that I can figure how to explain.


Many slaves of the Roman Empire are still living in Italy as Italians;

Never heard an absurdity like that. Roman slavery had near 0 influence on Roman population. It's a theory debunked by historians and geneticists since several years.

If there is something that has influenced Italy genetics it's likely the wave of Hellenized people, not african slaves.


the genetics of Southern Italy are all over the place. To me he looks like Hakimi, who has a Black mother.

He looks MENA certainly but not SSA at all. I can picture him as Pakistani or Iraqi but not Yemenite.

[Smeagol]

He's a gypo, it's already been said.

[Samnium]

He's a gypo, it's already been said.

He's apparently campanian by the surname "Soriano" (Elia Soriano), and Wikipedia confirm that.

His brother seems a lot less exotic though :

https://tmssl.akamaized.net/images/portrait/originals/63186-1448965061.jpg
https://s.hs-data.com/bilder/spieler/gross/134674.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Villarreal+v+Monaco+UEFA+Champions+League+xxJ4xgeL zOjl.jpg
https://www.toniiavarone.it/sites/default/files/img_notizia/roberto%20soriano.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Roberto+Soriano+Italy+Training+Session+nqxpogzNJrP l.jpg

[Adamastor]

Cro-Magnon admixture sometimes has the undesirable capacity of making people look mixed/non-white.

This guy is some type of Southern Cro-Magnid, very robust to be typical Arabian/Arab. I agree he can pass better as North African instead of Arabian.

[Atlantid]

I don't think so, he has either outlying genetic results or it's simply genetic randomness. The first option doesn't imply that he has African ancestors, it's so idiot that I can figure how to explain.



Never heard an absurdity like that. Roman slavery had near 0 influence on Roman population. It's a theory debunked by historians and geneticists since several years.

If there is something that has influenced Italy genetics it's likely the wave of Hellenized people, not african slaves.



He looks MENA certainly but not SSA at all. I can picture him as Pakistani or Iraqi but not Yemenite.

I meant North African primarily, which as with Hakimi's case, there are some with SSA admixture. 3% SSA + ~25% North African is enough to achieve that look given that his base is probably CM + Berid. He is not 100% Caucasoid and neither are Pakistanis, who have Dravidian admixture.

Dravidians look even more primitive than SSA, so I don't know where you're getting at.

His brother is Alpine + CM + Med so of course he has an ancestor from somewhere else that's giving him that look.

[MinervaItalica]

He might also be just an Italian Med with several African ancestors. Many slaves of the Roman Empire are still living in Italy as Italians; the genetics of Southern Italy are all over the place. To me he looks like Hakimi, who has a Black mother.

:rotfl:

[Arch Hades]

Neanderthals had rather light hair i think

Depends on which ones. There were Neanderthals all throughout the Near East too, aside from the Arabian Peninsula. Anyway, there's clearly something primitive in his appearance.

[Samnium]

I meant North African primarily, which as with Hakimi's case, there are some with SSA admixture. 3% SSA + ~25% North African is enough to achieve that look given that his base is probably CM + Berid. He is not 100% Caucasoid and neither are Pakistanis, who have Dravidian admixture.

Dravidians look even more primitive than SSA, so I don't know where you're getting at.

His brother is Alpine + CM + Med so of course he has an ancestor from somewhere else that's giving him that look.

Your post is delirious. Literally.

[Tauromachos]

Depends on which ones. There were Neanderthals all throughout the Near East too, aside from the Arabian Peninsula.

So you think Neandertals in the Near East were going to look different.?

Like, fair in Europe and darkhaired in the Near East?



Anyway, there's clearly something primitive in his appearance.

Well,he doesn't look Gracile Mediteranean

[Atlantid]

Your post is delirious. Literally.

He very clearly has non European ancestry, here in Canada he would be considered a Muslim or an Indian by everyone. It doesn't matter where you come from, what matters is what you look like, and there are Lebanese people here that would assimilate much easier than him.

The bottom line is that he's not White here or in the US or in Western Europe, even though most Italians are. The only way to explain that is admixture--believing that Europe is free of admixture is what's delirious.

[kalach]

Hallstad nordid, just a little bit more pigmented than typical.

[kalach]

he's not italian he looks turk or arab

I think the same. He should rename himself as Mehmet and you should eliminate his citizenship from Italian state due to looking Turkish.

[Aileron]

Looks normal Italian to me

[Samnium]

Looks normal Italian to me

Not even.

Never seen an italian looking like him.

He comes from Reggio Calabria, even strong Middle-East genes can't end up making you looking like that, that's not possible. He has an odd background I'm pretty sure.

[Aileron]

Not even.

Never seen an italian looking like him.

He comes from Reggio Calabria, even strong Middle-East genes can't end up making you looking like that, that's not possible. He has an odd background I'm pretty sure.

His brother who was posted here looks more avarage i guess ?

[Dna8]

Intriguing.

[Samnium]

His brother who was posted here looks more avarage i guess ?

He was exotic too but less. We have to see the parents.

[Hajimurad]

He was exotic too but less. We have to see the parents.

Maybe he is a descendants of Lucera massacre survivors? According to Masudi and Ibn Hawqal Muslim colonists in Sicily were mainly Berbers from Tunis and Libya, related to Mozabites.

[Maintenance]

Looks like hes jordanian, yemeni mixed or something

[catgeorge]

North African mixed

[Samnium]

Maybe he is a descendants of Lucera massacre survivors? According to Masudi and Ibn Hawqal Muslim colonists in Sicily were mainly Berbers from Tunis and Libya, related to Mozabites.

Lucera = Apulia, he's from Reggio Calabria, not the same region.

[Voskos]

75% Roman, 25% Levantine.

[MinervaItalica]

he's not italian he looks turk or arab

He's Italian but this is not important for the topic. He doesn't represent the average "Italian look", neither the southern ones.

Trolls on this forum will always use him when the want to appear lighter than Italians or want to swartyfy us.

[Duffmannn]

He would be dark even in the Middle Eastern

[HelloGuys]

He looks from North Africa Imo

[Samnium]

He looks from North Africa Imo

He looks partly South Asian, not North African. Like a gypsy.

[tipirneni]

Might be Sahrawi mixed. Dont see any Gypsy in him.

[Adamm]

Could pass in N. Africa.

[Duffmannn]

Well, I found his name in wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elia_Soriano

He was born in Germany to an italian and a german parent. I suspect his german side is actually "german" (thus turkish, middle eastern, hindu or something like that)

[Samnium]

Well, I found his name in wikipedia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elia_Soriano

He was born in Germany to an italian and a german parent. I suspect his german side is actually "german" (thus turkish, middle eastern, hindu or something like that)

Yes I had found his name previously as well but I thought he was "fully" italian.

[Adamm]

he is too light to pass in north africa

he pass better in turkey in my opinion

Uhh no....

He passes perfect in N. Africa, if he would walk around in Morocco nobody would question him.

[Adamastor]

These threads about phenotype are a joke.

[Adamm]

wtf you talking about north africans are 50% SSA they look like mulattos

You are obviously trolling.

[Adamastor]

wtf you talking about north africans are 50% SSA they look like mulattos

You have 10% of North African in you being Sicilian, if they are mulattoes this makes you 5% SSA. 1/16 black.

[Kamal900]

wtf you talking about north africans are 50% SSA they look like mulattos

Rofl, no.

[Adamm]

get out of this forum it's for europeans not for non-euro nigger mixed like you

:picard2:

[Kamal900]

You are obviously trolling.

Obviously he is trolling since Maghrebis including Berber are not even above 10% SSA besides the Turegs who are very admixed with the local Black women of West Africa, and most of them are living in Mali and Southern Algeria and Libya. Pretty much all of the Maghrebis are living in the coastal lines of North Africa while some are living in central regions of Morocco.

[Hajimurad]

wtf you talking about north africans are 50% SSA they look like mulattos

Berbers aren't mulattoes, they are aboriginal pure-blood Africans with genetics, identical to those of Chadic-speakers (Northern Nigeria, Northern Cameroon and Niger) and Kushites (Eastern Sudan, Somali and Ethiopia). Darkest of them more resemble Somalis than mulattoes. Only Riffians and Kabyles are depigmented due to isolation.

[Samnium]

You have 10% of North African in you being Sicilian, if they are mulattoes this makes you 5% SSA. 1/16 black.

He's 1/4 Irish so I doubt that he's 10% North African.

[Adamastor]

i bet everyone to find any north african that looks like me i was in tunisia which are lightest north africans and they looked mulattoes all

You look like a depigmented Somali.

[Kamal900]

i bet everyone to find any north african that looks like me i was in tunisia which are lightest north africans and they looked mulattoes all

No one cares about your look, and I had been in Algeria, Morocco and even Tunisia, and they look nothing like you're describing them to be. Stop trolling. My paternal cousin with her Moroccan husband. Do they look like Mulattoes? Rofl:
https://scontent.ffjr1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/52673012_2156059997796868_4244940977225072640_n.jp g?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ohc=JfWRhu2DbK4AX_-d_G2&_nc_ht=scontent.ffjr1-1.fna&oh=117f9729dd87b25728ad7d87cc9dfd2a&oe=5ECAA2A0

[Scipio Africanus]

You are obviously trolling.

Yes,he is a fake Italian and an anti italian troll. He just want that people start writing bad post against Italians.

[Smeagol]

Berbers aren't mulattoes, they are aboriginal pure-blood Africans with genetics, identical to those of Chadic-speakers (Northern Nigeria, Northern Cameroon and Niger) and Kushites (Eastern Sudan, Somali and Ethiopia). Darkest of them more resemble Somalis than mulattoes. Only Riffians and Kabyles are depigmented due to isolation.

This is not the case at all.

[Oliver Tooth]

Arab look

[Odelia]

Semitic looking hottie...Looks Mandean iraqi or something

[Oliver Tooth]

Passes as a dark Jew.

[Avicenna]

Semitic looking hottie...Looks Mandean iraqi or something

He looks emirati lol not mandean Iraqi

[earthling1]

CM + Arabid

[Victor]

Saracino

[TheWolf97]

East-Med + Armenoid

[axel.aleman]

Armenoid + Arabid

[Jingle Bell]

Trans-Med + Arabid

[Callman90]

Pan med