Kids are overrated

[hedonist]

I really have no desire to have kids, once I get rich I just want to screw, swarthy half-Indian supermodels on some tropical resort island and drink heinekens, smoke blunts, and eat little tapas till the day I deign some cool treehouse right on the beach

[Grenzland]

Good idea for you.

[Sandman]

Ideally you fit the definition of culture hedonism.

[Grenzland]

OP is probably 15 years old...

[Herr Abubu]

One thing Darwinian theory and religions both agree on is that those who don't breed aren't worthy enough of extending their lineage.

[Defiance]

One thing Darwinian theory and religions both agree on is that those who don't breed aren't worthy enough of extending their lineage.
If you're implying that those who do not breed are in any way inferior, then I must say that I strongly disagree. After all, just take a look at the types of people who, by contrast, have the most children.

[Herr Abubu]

If you're implying that those who do not breed are in any way inferior, then I must say that I strongly disagree. After all, just take a look at the types of people who, by contrast, have the most children.

Yeah, look at those who have the most children. Even they're superior to childless, barren Westerner apathetic liberals.

[Grenzland]

If you're implying that those who do not breed are in any way inferior, then I must say that I strongly disagree. After all, just take a look at the types of people who, by contrast, have the most children.

There are two strategies in nature: Have a few children and care for them and make sure they will succeed. Or have many children and hope some of them will make it.

Having no children is not an option.

[Neon Knight]

There are other ways to serve one's nation or people without having children. The world is well over-populated anyway.

[Rosso77]

There are other ways to serve one's nation or people without having children. The world is well over-populated anyway.
It's not overpopulated. It has a lot of people, but not the right people anyway. A demographic war has been waged over the last decades, and I'm glad weak people don't want to breed. We don't need them anyway.

[Insuperable]

Imagine if your parents thought the same.

[de Burgh II]

Imagine if your parents thought the same.

Lol! :lol:

[Linebacker]

Thats going to work out pretty well for you if you actually do get rich and have opportunity to live in a mansion and surround yourself with expensive escorts,but if you don't become rich its going to be very lonely for you,especially if all your friends are long married and with children and you got nothing to do cause theyre always busy.

From general perspective,an unmarried 40 year old rich man is a playboy,and an unmarried 40 year old mediocre man is a loser.

[hedonist]

Whenever I get on this topic someone usually spouts something about the importance of the survival of our species, or our race, or our bloodline. When I die, I really could give two shits about what happens to my species or the Earth for that matter. The death star could fly by and blow up the planet, I really couldn't care less.

[hedonist]

Yeah, look at those who have the most children. Even they're superior to childless, barren Westerner apathetic liberals.

I'm not a liberal, but yes I am hedonistic and apathetic

[Wadaad]

I really have no desire to have kids, once I get rich I just want to screw, swarthy half-Indian supermodels on some tropical resort island and drink heinekens, smoke blunts, and eat little tapas till the day I deign some cool treehouse right on the beach

Good, then my grankids will come to you by the time you are 60 years old and take your blunts and heineken and even your indian whores...even hedonism has a cost, and you will pay it to my childrens

[hedonist]

Imagine if your parents thought the same. Fuck it, I wouldn't care

[hedonist]

Good, then my grankids will come to you by the time you are 60 years old and take your blunts and heineken and even your indian whores...even hedonism has a cost, and you will pay it to my childrensGood for them, let them enjoy it

[hedonist]

Let me ask you all something, why is the survival of your intrinsically important other than to satisfy your own ego or to satisfy some outdated notion you have about the glory of your seed continuing on. That another one of you just needs to exist on this earth, probably not to do anything interesting, creative, or substantial with there lives but just to breed another litter again by the time there in there early twenties, then slave away at some meaningless occupation to support them and there, that's your life. Never to fulfill any other dreams you may have had

[hedonist]

and if you didn't notice this is a latent attempt to piss off racialists/nationalists on the forum.

[Herr Abubu]

I'm not a liberal, but yes I am hedonistic and apathetic

Maybe you're not a liberal, I don't know what your opinions are, but you are eating the fruits of liberalism.

[Aodhan]

Of course
You think in a materialized way, you just love money and futile things

[Grenzland]

and if you didn't notice this is a latent attempt to piss off racialists/nationalists on the forum.

They are so pissed of right now... :lol:

[Profileid]

Childbirth is horrifying and disgusting. Also babies cry like 4 hours a day...every day.

[Greensboro Jock]

legit

why?whats the point if your kid is not gonna be athletic,goodlooking and raised in a uppermiddle class home?
so they want their kids to suffer and struggle?whats the end goal of having kids?to make more mediocre copies of yourself?I understand making babies is very narcissistic but how can these mediocre people be narcissistic..dont you need something to be narcissistic about?

[frankhammer]

Childbirth is horrifying and disgusting. Also babies cry like 4 hours a day...every day.

Didn't look so not to spoil my appetite in the future and earplugs for the latter.

No problemo whatsoever at all.

[Profileid]

Didn't look so not to spoil my appetite in the future and earplugs for the latter.

No problemo whatsoever at all.
Well I've seen it, and it's horrible. Babies come out soggy.
You can't avoid the crying. It usually means they need something. And if you leave them to cry,it gets worse and worse.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AH

[Grenzland]

:lol:

[Aodhan]

Well I've seen it, and it's horrible. Babies come out soggy.
You can't avoid the crying. It usually means they need something. And if you leave them to cry,it gets worse and worse.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AH


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCJq4re2d-0

[aleister]

adults are overrated

[frankhammer]

Well I've seen it, and it's horrible. Babies come out soggy.
You can't avoid the crying. It usually means they need something. And if you leave them to cry,it gets worse and worse.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AH

The earplugs take away the edge. It makes just that bit easier. And it's yours. There's definitely something to that, for sure.

[Seth MacFarlane]

Who cares , the less irresponsible parents the better for society but having kids is good . if your parents thought like you then you woudnt be born , be thankful your dad didnt just cum in a tissue

[crazyladybutterfly]

most of people shouldnt have kids anyway
there are also too many people on this planet. you're a good boy

[crazyladybutterfly]

Who cares , the less irresponsible parents the better for society but having kids is good . if your parents thought like you then you woudnt be born , be thankful your dad didnt just cum in a tissue

how is it good in any way?

[crazyladybutterfly]

You're talking to the wrong folks. At least half the men on this forum don't have the social skills to get a date let alone a woman willing to marry them. Some of them still play video games religiously for fuck's sake.

what's wrong with being a gamer?

[Herr Abubu]

There are not too many people on the planet. :picard2: The only problem is the excesses of Amerifats and Eurofags and overall shittiness of the world at the moment.

[crazyladybutterfly]

There are not too many people on the planet. :picard2: The only problem is the excesses of Amerifats and Eurofags and overall shittiness of the world at the moment.

so we have too manby people

[Herr Abubu]

so we have too manby people

No. :picard2:

[Seth MacFarlane]

how is it good in any way?

Kids do bring happiness to many families , sorry if your parents were dissapointed and you were mistake

[EL_BARBARO]

One thing Darwinian theory and religions both agree on is that those who don't breed aren't worthy enough of extending their lineage.



Agree. Not everybody should be allowed to have children.

[XvThomas_LysergicV]

I want to have them but just not right now at this moment. I want to enjoy my young years and being free (being childless) while I can. Having kids is a lot of responsibility. Its not something you just do on a whim or because you're bored. Once you have kids your life basically revolves around them and there's no turning back. Of course if I was deadbeat I could have kids not care about them or see them that much and go on about my life living like im childless but I don't want to do that. I'm not a deadbeat. Once I have kids,that's it.

A lot of men and women right when they turn 18(sometimes even younger than that) already want to settle down,get married and have kids. Its like man don't you want to live for a little bit before settling down? Settling down before their lives even really started.

I'm totally fine being with a woman,enjoying being a couple,traveling,having fun,etc for awhile before diving into having kids.

[Oneeye]

You're talking to the wrong folks. At least half the men on this forum don't have the social skills to get a date let alone a woman willing to marry them. Some of them still play video games religiously for fuck's sake.


Honestly, married men probably play more video games as a whole than bachelors. Other than that, I agree. ;)

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

cuck

[frankhammer]

It's a 20 year to life sentence. Think carefully before setting your boys free.

[Herr Abubu]

Agree. Not everybody should be allowed to have children.

The low fertility rate of the West is an admission by Westerners that their legacy would be an inferior one. Liberalism is what people turn to when they don't believe in their own culture, religion, family and, ultimately, themselves. The people who are not having (lots of) children are exactly those who aren't worthy of inheriting the earth.

[silver_surfer]

I'll take kids over loads of money anytime. Kids won't make you poor if you lead them on a humble path, you know. Then again there are parents who can't handle money and spoil their child senselessly. It's really up to what kind of person you are. You have kids to see what kind of amazing and unique people you can bring into this world. Why limit them by your myopic ideas when they could be a fountain of ideas you would never conceive. I hope my kids have some of my values but my greatest hope is that they exceed them.


I really have no desire to have kids, once I get rich I just want to screw, swarthy half-Indian supermodels on some tropical resort island and drink heinekens, smoke blunts, and eat little tapas till the day I deign some cool treehouse right on the beach

Those passions will grow uncontrollably, and it will become increasingly harder to satisfy them. Eventually, you will become tired, depressed, and you will struggle to find meaning in your life. In the long run, most people are probably better off finding more stable forms of gratification--family, engaging work, meaningful long-term relationships, etc. These things can provide a very rich and satisfying life, and they do not diminish with age


I'm not a liberal, but yes I am hedonistic and apathetic

Pleasure seeking, the root of hedonism, is the basis for addiction. Hedonism implies a commitment to pleasure without paying mind to the consequence. For every hedonistic act one can commit, there is the danger of slipping into addictive habits. Food addiction, porn addiction, and so on.

[Hoxhaism]

same, i can't imagine having to actually settle down and make a family, there is too much more to experience and see then having to think about another persons life for eighteen years. Seems like a burdan to me.

[Oneeye]

That may or may not be better than the age old escape of married men hiding out at the bar. The latter is less expensive but more social, though.



Drinks at the bar is more expensive than staying at home. Where are you drinking?

[aleister]

I think the day I have a child will be one of the happiest days of my life.

Would be awesome to show the world to this special person.

[Oneeye]

Wait... your wife doesn't charge you for drinks at home? Damn, my mother is cunning. This whole time she's been charging my dad for drinks. She told him that's how it is in America.

In America, we don't let women tell us how it is.

[Longbowman]

There are other ways to serve one's nation or people without having children. The world is well over-populated anyway.

Yes it makes total sense for the educated Western elite to stop having children because uneducated foreigners from the Middle East are having too many. Then we'll have more room for refugees.

[Longbowman]

Anyhow I want children because I want children in my lifetime, not because I want the name Longbowman to persevere into the next century, though that is a nice bonus. The idea of being a father has strong appeal to me in and of itself, because I'm not a genetic fuck-up.

[Profileid]

Anyhow I want children because I want children in my lifetime, not because I want the name Longbowman to persevere into the next century, though that is a nice bonus. The idea of being a father has strong appeal to me in and of itself, because I'm not a genetic fuck-up.

The absolute #1 most important thing in raising children right is to be financially and mentally capable of it. Even being a little past one's genetic prime is not a big issue.
What are you going to do when they destroy one of your most prized possessions or poop all over the carpet?

[Longbowman]

The absolute #1 most important thing in raising children right is to be financially and mentally capable of it. Even being a little past one's genetic prime is not a big issue.
What are you going to do when they destroy one of your most prized possessions or poop all over the carpet?

1) attachment is suffering
2) clean the carpet, duh.

[Profileid]

1) attachment is suffering
2) clean the carpet, duh.

Interesting you thought of the condition of the item first as opposed to how you would respond to your theoretical children for doing that.

[Mitryejd]

I can't breed high potential refugees sorry.

[Longbowman]

Interesting you thought of the condition of the item first as opposed to how you would respond to your theoretical children for doing that.

Are you retarded? the point is that even having 'prized possessions' is weak.

When your friends damage your shit, is your first thought how to get back at them? Don't have kids.

[Profileid]

Are you retarded? the point is that even having 'prized possessions' is weak.

When your friends damage your shit, is your first thought how to get back at them? Don't have kids.

:ranger:
And you thought I meant getting back at your kids as opposed to teaching them to be more careful in the future?

[Longbowman]

:ranger:
And you thought I meant getting back at your kids as opposed to teaching them to be more careful in the future?

Yeah, you seem the type.

[Profileid]

https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE
Imagine having a kid like this. Think of all the money,time and human despair poured into raising a thing like this.Only for it to barely know who you are and constantly break all your shit. And the worst part is you have to pretend to love your "little" abomination or else you're the worst person ever.
1/68 chance (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/27/autism-rates-rise/6957815/)

[Longbowman]

1/68 chance (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/27/autism-rates-rise/6957815/)

0/68 chance if you're not pro-life.

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/8/the-pro-life-temptation

besides you reap what you sow, I wouldn't marry someone with a family history of stuff like that. The reality is it's 1/20 for some people and 1/20,000 for others.

[Profileid]

0/68 chance if you're not pro-life.

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2016/4/8/the-pro-life-temptation

besides you reap what you sow, I wouldn't marry someone with a family history of stuff like that. The reality is it's 1/20 for some people and 1/20,000 for others.

lol bullshit. You can't tell if a kid's autistic in the womb. Sometimes not even until months after they're born,their condition will start to degenerate.

[Longbowman]

lol bullshit. You can't tell if a kid's autistic in the womb. Sometimes not even until months after they're born,their condition will start to degenerate.

You can abort a baby at any age as long as you have a hammer.

[Profileid]

You can abort a baby at any age as long as you have a hammer.

That needs to be made into a bumper sticker

[LieDetector]

https://youtu.be/j4PTf7LgsIE
Imagine having a kid like this. Think of all the money,time and human despair poured into raising a thing like this.Only for it to barely know who you are and constantly break all your shit. And the worst part is you have to pretend to love your "little" abomination or else you're the worst person ever.
1/68 chance (http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/03/27/autism-rates-rise/6957815/)

A perfect example of a life UNWORTHY of life. This is why we need to start euthanization programs in the U.S.

[Profileid]

A perfect example of a life UNWORTHY of life. This is why we need to start euthanization programs in the U.S.

Have you ever made a joke about retarded people irl and someone hears you and gets mad?
I hate that.

[Profileid]

"You hate to give up on your child as a lost cause"
"but..."

[Graham]

Each to their own. Best having parents to children who want to be parents.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Kids do bring happiness to many families , sorry if your parents were dissapointed and you were mistake

yeah 12 years old girls bring so much happiness to their families ..

[Longbowman]

yeah 12 years old girls bring so much happiness to their families ..

Why wouldn't they?

[Seth MacFarlane]

yeah 12 years old girls bring so much happiness to their families ..

What ? :confused:

[crazyladybutterfly]

Why wouldn't they?

not sure if you're being sarcastic or just naive.

[crazyladybutterfly]

What ? :confused:

you forgot everything of your life after the age of 10 , did you?

[Seth MacFarlane]

you forgot everything of your life after the age of 10 , did you?

No , the opposite

[The Destroyer]

Any couple which doesn't have at least 3 children (so that when the parents die, there is 1 more in every generation) should be ostracized and discarded by its nation, and put to public shame.

[Longbowman]

not sure if you're being sarcastic or just naive.

I'm not sure if you're self-hating or just had a hard childhood.

[MissMischief]

What annoys me is when you tell people that you don't wish to have children, they instantly see you like an evil, despicable monster :picard1:

The reason people have children is because of this unwritten social norm where the standard is to get married and, after a while, begin to generate progeny because "that's the thing to do". Also, most of them end up having kids because they have an idealized, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.

People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 3 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours.

Some of my female colleagues have either infants, toddlers or kids at all ages. All they talk about is the bad stuff like getting no sleep, financial obligations or their children fighting with each other. It seems like they are always complaining. I just sit back and realize how thankful I am that I don't have to worry about these things. I’m not baby crazy...yet - but after hearing all their horror stories, it makes me not want to have kids :p

[DI1ck]

http://i.imgur.com/VcSariC.png

Wrong forum, Plato. The miniscule amount of racialists that occasionally browse this place understand where they are, who it's populated by and what to expect. Thanks for playing though. By the way, how much SSI is New York paying you per month for the alleged mental illness? :curtain:

[Profileid]

http://i.imgur.com/VcSariC.png

Wrong forum, Plato. The miniscule amount of racialists that occasionally browse this place understand where they are, who it's populated by and what to expect. Thanks for playing though. By the way, how much SSI is New York paying you per month for the alleged mental illness? :curtain:

You posted a private message?

[Profileid]

Ain't no belt in the world gonna correct this problem. Get me my gun, woman...

The best part is how she basically admits to giving up on him. I've only ever seen that happen one other time,and it's heartwrenching yet hilarious.

[Profileid]

I worked one summer with severely mentally disabled young adults. It's very emotionally and physically draining. I was only with them for 6 hours a day. I can't imagine taking care of them at home. The amount of stress it puts on the family. Some of them remind of the walking dead from the show when I think back on it. Some of them liked to bite.

yeah i sure as hell couldnt do it.youd have to have saintlike patience

[Defiance]

I have a whole laundry list of reasons why not to have kids, ranging from financial to emotional to the fact that I have no romantic interest in women to begin with. With that said, does my position seem a bit more understandable now?

Regardless I would wish to make it clear that my very personal aversion to breeding should not be assumed to stem from an aversion to children.

[hedonist]

One thing Darwinian theory and religions both agree on is that those who don't breed aren't worthy enough of extending their lineage.
Well aren't you a passive-aggressive little fuck

[hedonist]

Having no children is not an option.

If I don't have any children then obviously it was an option

[hedonist]

Kids are needed especialy on times like this

for?

[hedonist]

It's not overpopulated. It has a lot of people, but not the right people anyway. A demographic war has been waged over the last decades, and I'm glad weak people don't want to breed. We don't need them anyway.

Big deal , so non-whites end up inheriting the planet, your going to leave this earth one day anyway why do you have so much stake in place...

[hedonist]

Imagine if your parents thought the same.

So I wouldn,t be here :dunno:

[hedonist]

adults are overratedthis

[hedonist]

Who cares , the less irresponsible parents the better for society but having kids is good . if your parents thought like you then you woudnt be born , be thankful your dad didnt just cum in a tissue

You think I take stock in this reality, in which you are mistaken

[hedonist]

Kids do bring happiness to many families , sorry if your parents were dissapointed and you were mistake shit happens, they should have had more

[hedonist]

I want to have them but just not right now at this moment. I want to enjoy my young years and being free (being childless) while I can. Having kids is a lot of responsibility. Its not something you just do on a whim or because you're bored. Once you have kids your life basically revolves around them and there's no turning back. Of course if I was deadbeat I could have kids not care about them or see them that much and go on about my life living like im childless but I don't want to do that. I'm not a deadbeat. Once I have kids,that's it.

A lot of men and women right when they turn 18(sometimes even younger than that) already want to settle down,get married and have kids. Its like man don't you want to live for a little bit before settling down? Settling down before their lives even really started.

I'm totally fine being with a woman,enjoying being a couple,traveling,having fun,etc for awhile before diving into having kids. Truth

[hedonist]

It's a 20 year to life sentence. Think carefully before setting your boys free.

That's all I would ask, consider the situation throughly before making the decision

[hedonist]

cuck

Cog :coffee:

[hedonist]

The low fertility rate of the West is an admission by Westerners that their legacy would be an inferior one. Liberalism is what people turn to when they don't believe in their own culture, religion, family and, ultimately, themselves. The people who are not having (lots of) children are exactly those who aren't worthy of inheriting the earth. Herein lies the problem, you value your manmade construct of a virtue called legacy, something that isn't even real. I could argue that if the entirety of humanity drop dead one day the planet would be better off without people polluting it, over consuming it's resources, causing different species to go extinct each and every day. The importance you hold your legacy is relative

[hedonist]

Anyhow I want children because I want children in my lifetime, not because I want the name Longbowman to persevere into the next century, though that is a nice bonus. The idea of being a father has strong appeal to me in and of itself, because I'm not a genetic fuck-up.

I respect that opinion and wish you good fortune along that length of your journey, I simply don't have the same desire kids. The attraction doesn't resonate with me, who knows maybe it will sometime in the future

[hedonist]

Each to their own. Best having parents to children who want to be parents.

If they don't have the motivation to be parents, that's your problem not theres. You should have had more

[hedonist]

Any couple which doesn't have at least 3 children (so that when the parents die, there is 1 more in every generation) should be ostracized and discarded by its nation, and put to public shame. Typical old world European

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Cog :coffee:

What the hell is a cog?

[hedonist]

What annoys me is when you tell people that you don't wish to have children, they instantly see you like an evil, despicable monster :picard1:

The reason people have children is because of this unwritten social norm where the standard is to get married and, after a while, begin to generate progeny because "that's the thing to do". Also, most of them end up having kids because they have an idealized, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.

People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 3 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours.

Some of my female colleagues have either infants, toddlers or kids at all ages. All they talk about is the bad stuff like getting no sleep, financial obligations or their children fighting with each other. It seems like they are always complaining. I just sit back and realize how thankful I am that I don't have to worry about these things. I’m not baby crazy...yet - but after hearing all their horror stories, it makes me not want to have kids :p

YAAAAASSSSSSSS

[hedonist]

What the hell is a cog?

Just another subject content with "going through the motions" of the status quo. Not doing anything truly exciting with your life

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

Just another subject content with "going through the motions" of the status quo. Not doing anything truly exciting with your life

huh. well I don't think I'm too much of a cog honestly.

[Seth MacFarlane]

shit happens, they should have had more

Well that woudnt help , sure many couples first child is a suprise but if they see it as a mistake even at a subconscious level then they are doomed lol more kids will just be more child support. Me personally i would never see my children as a mistake , even in a hypothetical suprise pregnancy i would be happy .. People who arent shoudnt be parents

[Neon Knight]

Yes it makes total sense for the educated Western elite to stop having children
I did not propose that. But there is no shortage of Westerners.


because uneducated foreigners from the Middle East are having too many. Then we'll have more room for refugees.We'll have more room to breathe and the refugees can go elsewhere.

[Profileid]

I did not propose that. But there is no shortage of Westerners.

We'll have more room to breathe and the refugees can go elsewhere.

To be fair, the people doing the mass breeding are mostly in subsaharan africa and south asia. While it's good a lot of these people are being lifted out of property, the increased demands for food,energy are the real threat to the environment.
http://www.teara.govt.nz/files/m1819enz.gif
Look at this teeny fucking country. Bangladesh has nearly 200 million people!

[Rosso77]

Big deal , so non-whites end up inheriting the planet, your going to leave this earth one day anyway why do you have so much stake in place...

Be a man of traditions, and your descendants shall inherit the earth. Don't be a nihilist, you can do better than this.

[hedonist]

Be a man of traditions, and your descendants shall inherit the earth. Don't be a nihilist, you can do better than this.


https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2F38.media.tumblr.com%2Fb c314819903d065b3f34cdd72e23ab75%2Ftumblr_nfgngjY7X 31rud800o1_500.gif&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwcdbfm.com%2FDJProfiles.asp x%3FDJID%3D961&docid=tE_VQtCGvvkOcM&tbnid=aV6My337uHEhHM%3A&w=500&h=328&client=safari&bih=756&biw=1264&ved=0ahUKEwiav5bMzOrOAhUDGx4KHQljBdsQxiAICCgG&iact=c&ictx

http://66.media.tumblr.com/4e6856658a4f965b08de6d434a2f1fc1/tumblr_njm6faJSIO1tzj3q6o1_1280.jpg

[Carlito's Way]

I wanna have many children, butt uglies have taken over and theres too many of them, cant let that happen

[Profileid]

Be a man of traditions, and your descendants shall inherit the earth. Don't be a nihilist, you can do better than this.
Having kids isn't for everyone.

[Neon Knight]

To be fair, the people doing the mass breeding are mostly in subsaharan africa and south asia. While it's good a lot of these people are being lifted out of property, the increased demands for food,energy are the real threat to the environment.
http://www.teara.govt.nz/files/m1819enz.gif
Look at this teeny fucking country. Bangladesh has nearly 200 million people!That is a big part of the problem but so is Westerners burning up fuel like there's no tomorrow.

[hedonist]

Having kids isn't for everyone.

I might still have them, I want to be at a certain place in my career first. Plus there are a few bucket list items I need to check off before I do so. Honestly what worries me is that I have a cousin with a autism and a rare genetic condition. I'm concerned if I my kids would run the same risk of being afflicted with the same. Plus I am kind of a nihilist and possibly foresee the future going downhill from here.

[Herr Abubu]

Herein lies the problem, you value your manmade construct of a virtue called legacy, something that isn't even real. I could argue that if the entirety of humanity drop dead one day the planet would be better off without people polluting it, over consuming it's resources, causing different species to go extinct each and every day. The importance you hold your legacy is relative

You're trying too hard for something you're not cut out for.

First of all, legacy isn't a virtue. Humility is a virtue, however, and you completely lack it.

Secondly, if "social constructs" aren't "real", then the words with which you speak aren't real either. In other words, what you say isn't real and your actions are in contradiction with your words. Or you're simply blabbering. Probably both.

Thirdly, since you espouse relativism you can't use value judgments to argue against other value judgments. Your uninformed misanthropy would be as real as my valuing legacy. Moreover, there simply existing another argument B to counter argument A doesn't mean argument A is invalid, argument B might be a bad argument which doesn't refute argument A, as it clearly is in this case.

Finally, your comments aren't directly related to my argument. My argument is that the low fertility rate of Westerners is their implicit admission of an inferior legacy. Try see how this argument connects.

[Herr Abubu]

Well aren't you a passive-aggressive little fuck

It's called an aphorism.

[Demon Revival]

I have a whole laundry list of reasons why not to have kids, ranging from financial to emotional to the fact that I have no romantic interest in women to begin with. With that said, does my position seem a bit more understandable now?

Regardless I would wish to make it clear that my very personal aversion to breeding should not be assumed to stem from an aversion to children.

Well ain't this a bitch? It's attitudes like this that represent a victory for the "anti-whites".

[Longbowman]

I did not propose that. But there is no shortage of Westerners.

We'll have more room to breathe and the refugees can go elsewhere.

Cut immigration, then we'll talk. But not much.

[Herr Abubu]

Well ain't this a bitch? It's attitudes like this that represent a victory for the "anti-whites".

Spot the inconsistencies:

"There aren't enough white people in the world!" "I don't want to have children." "Can't brown and black people just be like us and not have children?" "Why are we on the losing side?"

I'm coming to think that the reason the world has so many problems is because people prefer to have problems to whine over than actually solve them. Some of the loudest "pro-whites" also don't give a damn about actually reproducing, but whine about non-whites reproducing too much.

[Longbowman]

Spot the inconsistencies:

"There aren't enough white people in the world!" "I don't want to have children." "Can't brown and black people just be like us and not have children?" "Why are we on the losing side?"

I'm coming to think that the reason the world has so many problems is because people prefer to have problems to whine over than actually solve them.

Of course. As I've said before, oppressed is the new black. It's easier to get validation from being downtrodden than by actually accomplishing something, particularly since the societal bar for being relevant has been raised so high and people are stupid.

[frankhammer]

What annoys me is when you tell people that you don't wish to have children, they instantly see you like an evil, despicable monster :picard1:

The reason people have children is because of this unwritten social norm where the standard is to get married and, after a while, begin to generate progeny because "that's the thing to do". Also, most of them end up having kids because they have an idealized, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.

People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 3 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours.

Some of my female colleagues have either infants, toddlers or kids at all ages. All they talk about is the bad stuff like getting no sleep, financial obligations or their children fighting with each other. It seems like they are always complaining. I just sit back and realize how thankful I am that I don't have to worry about these things. I’m not baby crazy...yet - but after hearing all their horror stories, it makes me not want to have kids :p

It is just not this bad. Bar the first few years when the child is highly dependent on their parents and assuming you raise the child in a healthy environment, they're not sick that often. They don't fight that often and if you're in a financially sound position, the costs don't affect you. Quite honestly, the whole statement above sounds like whinging bullshit. If you don't want children, fine. Your choice. You may find that changes as you mature from a girl into a real women.

[Faklon]

Thread reeks of faggotry with the prime weakling Grimes bringing retards as an example of parenthood, inspiring even more fear to an already weak society. Guess what? If you can't talk straight, then it's hard to teach it to your kid, it may very well end up with some modernistic psychological disease like Cuckcuckow syndrome or something.

What can I say by having a friend in adoptions is that the institutions are full of miserious 60 year olds who try to recover their lost parenthood. This, in Greece happens by paying thousand of euros to shady lawyers and Bulgarian gypsy baby farmers. To his doctrine, they don't seem much like people who lived life in the fullest but often like miserious oldies who had great plans in the age of grande masturbation(60's, 70's, 80's) but they didn't realize that they were already weak to bear the burden.

[Herr Abubu]

It is just not this bad. Bar the first few years when the child is highly dependent on their parents and assuming you raise the child in a healthy environment, they're not sick that often. They don't fight that often and if you're in a financially sound position, the costs don't affect you. Quite honestly, the whole statement above sounds like whinging bullshit. If you don't want children, fine. Your choice. You may find that changes as you mature from a girl into a real women.

She will probably be too old by then. Not a bad thing necessarily if she doesn't reproduce.

[Sarmatian]

I really have no desire to have kids,blablabla

https://img.pandawhale.com/post-37129-yeah-well-you-know-thats-just-ciRL.gif

[Sarmatian]

The reason people have children is because of this unwritten social norm where...

That is all we really need to know to have an idea about your opinion on the matter. I'll only tell you one thing in regard to this: people have children not because of some reason, in fact having children is highly unreasonable from rational perspective of an individual. People have children because they are programmed to have them via hormonal regulations of our behavior. You may understand that one day once you grow up.

[Defiance]

Well ain't this a bitch? It's attitudes like this that represent a victory for the "anti-whites".
You may or may not be correct, but either way I don't know what more to tell you. Nothing could make me romantically interested in women, and nothing could eliminate the mental hangups I have in regards to the matter. Presumably, I mean. In other words, it ain't my fault.

Defiance out.

[catgeorge]

You may or may not be correct, but either way I don't know what more to tell you. Nothing could make me romantically interested in women, and nothing could eliminate the mental hangups I have in regards to the matter. Presumably, I mean. In other words, it ain't my fault.

Defiance out.

Western European indeed. Signature and all.

[Peterski]

The world is well over-populated anyway.

You must be kidding me. Not "the world" is over-populated. Only the Third World is:

Change in global population (in millions) between years 1938 and 2013:

Continent ------------- population 1938 --- population 2013 -- (percent increase)

Asia ---------------------------- 1144.6 --------- 4298.7 ------------ (+ 276%)
Europe -------------------------- 529.0 ---------- 742.5 ------------- (+ 40%)
Americas ----------------------- 263.8 ---------- 972.0 ------------- (+ 268%)
Africa --------------------------- 148.2 ---------- 1110.6 ------------ (+ 649%)
Oceania ------------------------- 10.5 ----------- 38.3 --------------- (+ 265%)

Total --------------------------- 2096.1 --------- 7162.1 ------------- (+ 242%)

[Peterski]

If you're implying that those who do not breed are in any way inferior, then I must say that I strongly disagree. After all, just take a look at the types of people who, by contrast, have the most children.

People who want to have as many kids as they can afford and are able to properly raise are superior to both the ones who don't want to have any kids, and to the ones who do not care about their kids.

There is an r strategy - people who are r-selected are similar to rabbits - they want to breed as much as possible, but they don't care about their offspring - hoping that at least some will survive. The opposite is K strategy - people who do want to have kids, but for them quality is more important than quantity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU

Here example of an r-selected person who doesn't care about how many kids she has:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjpGBEPYv80


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjpGBEPYv80

[Neon Knight]

You must be kidding me. Not "the world" is over-populated. Only the Third World is:

Change in global population (in millions) between years 1938 and 2013:

Continent ------------- population 1938 --- population 2013 -- (percent increase)

Asia ---------------------------- 1144.6 --------- 4298.7 ------------ (+ 276%)
Europe -------------------------- 529.0 ---------- 742.5 ------------- (+ 40%)
Americas ----------------------- 263.8 ---------- 972.0 ------------- (+ 268%)
Africa --------------------------- 148.2 ---------- 1110.6 ------------ (+ 649%)
Oceania ------------------------- 10.5 ----------- 38.3 --------------- (+ 265%)

Total --------------------------- 2096.1 --------- 7162.1 ------------- (+ 242%)In terms of demand on resources it is:


Research newly published lists the most overpopulated countries. When we talk about "overpopulation" (as opposed to population size), we are referring to the link between the human population and its environment. Therefore, it's not just the size or density of the population that matters, but how that population relates to sustainable resources.

The Overpopulation Index is thought to be the first to rank countries by these criteria -- looking at how dependent they are on other countries, and whether they consume more than they produce.

According to these figures, the world as a whole is overpopulated by two billion. The geographical location of countries deemed overpopulated is interesting -- there are nine Middle Eastern countries in the top 20, and eight European. Despite popular perceptions of China and India, these countries come in much lower, at 29th and 33rd, respectively. This shows, again, that population size or density is not the key measure.

The UK comes in at a slightly less respectable 17th. Its self-sufficiency rating is 25.8 per cent, meaning that Britain could only support a quarter of its population - about 15 million - if it had to rely on its own resources.

It's worth noting at this point that overpopulation is a hotly contested issue. The index was compiled by the Optimum Population Trust, which advocates a voluntary "stop at two" policy on children in the UK, and has lobbied for stricter controls on immigration, saying that "immigration has brought no overall benefit to the UK". I won't get into these debates here - you can read Philippe Legrain's excellent critique of the "Britain is full up" argument if you want the other side of the story on that particular point.

The key point here is sustainability. Even if population growth were to level off in the UK, we would still, by these measures, be unable to support ourselves unless the population shrank drastically, or food production grew. A situation where all imports disintegrate is unlikely, but improving food sustainability can only be a good thing.
http://www.isecoeco.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Overshoot-Index-2014-v2.pdf

[Peterski]

In terms of demand on resources it is

Bullshit.

By the way, already in the 1600s someone estimated (I don't remember who, but I will find it again) that the Earth could sustain 18 billlion inhabitants - and that with 17th century technology and agriculture. With 21st century technology & agriculture, we can surely sustain at least two times more, 36 billion.

[Peterski]

OK, I found that data:

1) In 1741 Johann Peter Süssmilch estimated that there were 1,000,000,000 people on Earth (he probably overestimated; at least our 21st century estimates for population size back in 1741 are lower).

He also estimated, that the Earth could potentially feed 13,932,000,000 people at that time.

Source (page 141) - https://books.google.pl/books?id=8LJszviHVaoC&pg=PA141&lpg=PA141&dq=1741+johann+estimated+earth+population&source=bl&ots=wHN9OsDxKP&sig=6FEUyfW3e0dDn9bvcBqVtfA9ddI&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjN3u_ugJzOAhXrJZoKHQYXBS0Q6AEIJDAB#v=on epage&q=Johann&f=false

2) In 1672 Giovanni Battista Riccioli estimated that there were 1,000,000,000 people on Earth.
3) In 1685 Issac Vossius criticized Riccioli and provided a lower number - 500,000,000 people.

Source - https://www.coursehero.com/file/8034907/Lecture9-13/

[Svipdag]

No matter how you may rate them. never forget that kids ARE the future.

[revealman]

I really have no desire to have kids, once I get rich I just want to screw, swarthy half-Indian supermodels on some tropical resort island and drink heinekens, smoke blunts, and eat little tapas till the day I deign some cool treehouse right on the beach
perfect example of a rabbit existence(r-selection). perfect way how to evolve into a rotten tomato :D

yeah they are overrated :rolleyes: besides the fact that you die out and that life is about sperm competition(gene wars).. so you shoot your own goal so to speak by refusing to reproduce.. but also in sports(modern male competition) there are those like yourself who shoot their own goals..

sex was created by nature for sole purpose of spreading your genes, all else is man made (contraceptives, condoms, BDSM you name it..)

nearly every step of human life is designed to aquire mates (earning money, status, fighting, sports etc.)


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdadVfEmt0g

[revealman]

What annoys me is when you tell people that you don't wish to have children, they instantly see you like an evil, despicable monster :picard1:

The reason people have children is because of this unwritten social norm where the standard is to get married and, after a while, begin to generate progeny because "that's the thing to do". Also, most of them end up having kids because they have an idealized, completely unrealistic vision of what parenthood entails.

People imagine dressing their daughter in pretty clothes, or playing catch with their son. They don't think about being awoken at 3 a.m. by a sick, screaming kid who just threw up all over the bed, and who doesn't give a shit that you have to get up for work in four hours.

Some of my female colleagues have either infants, toddlers or kids at all ages. All they talk about is the bad stuff like getting no sleep, financial obligations or their children fighting with each other. It seems like they are always complaining. I just sit back and realize how thankful I am that I don't have to worry about these things. I’m not baby crazy...yet - but after hearing all their horror stories, it makes me not want to have kids :p
LOL

your own subjective opinion will not change the fact that natural law is about reproduction from the beginning.. humans are good at imaginging and making up all kinds of silly theories just because our brain aquired the skill of abstract thought so we can adapt and survive in diffrent territories and environment.. does in no way change reality and reality is that every step of human lives cycles around sex and reprodcution + aquiring resources... :coffee:

the pressure people feel to make babies is derived from instincts, not social norms.. marriages often dont last because we are a polygamous species and programmed to spread genes with as many partners as possible. no matter what some recent social norms or religious laws from a 2000 year old book tell you, humans were polygamous for eons..

and of course you must not carry children, sterilisation is your ticket out of samsara ;)

so all in all children are so "overrated" because they are only the continuation of your genes(survival is such an overrated value).. :rolleyes:
but of course not everyone has the wish to live on..

ps. by the way you also screamed, fought and messed things up as a child :D maybe you are just a little bit more selfish than your parents were so you decide not to reproduce.. anyway its up to you

[revealman]

People who want to have as many kids as they can afford and are able to properly raise are superior to both the ones who don't want to have any kids, and to the ones who do not care about their kids.

There is an r strategy - people who are r-selected are similar to rabbits - they want to breed as much as possible, but they don't care about their offspring - hoping that at least some will survive. The opposite is K strategy - people who do want to have kids, but for them quality is more important than quantity:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8N3FF_3KvU

Here example of an r-selected person who doesn't care about how many kids she has:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjpGBEPYv80


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjpGBEPYv80
guess condoms might have been cheaper..

like gypsies in eastern europe (r-strategy)

but also white people from lower class

the environment determines which strategy you will follow.. liberals vs. conservatives

feminism is r-strategy with single mothers who have more testosterone so they can protect their offspring(compare african women to asian or european)

liberals love social wellfare(rabbits) while right wing conservatives (wolves) prefer competitive environment

in our modern society the business men and politicians are the wolves and the rest of the social pyramid are worker rabbits.. but liberal politicians will eat up the resources anyway by countless wars and wasting food and energy cause they are uncapable of thinking in long term consequences.. there are too many rabbits compared to wolves