The "Big Picture" of Y-DNA distribution ca. 8000-5000 BC

[Peterski]

Here it is:

Dominant Y-DNA by region at the onset of the Neolithization of Europe:

Region: dominant "indigeneous" Y-DNA haplogroups

1. Western and Central Europe: I2a, I1, I2c, C1a2
2. European part of Russia: R1a, R1b, Q1a
3. Caucasus region (Georgia): J1b, J2a
4. Western Asia*: G2, E1, J2, R2, T, G1, H2, L1, F3

*Samples from Anatolia, from the Levant and from Iran.

The most mysterious - due to their scarcity in aDNA so far - are J1 and N1c.

We have J1b in a hunter-gatherer from Georgia, but then there is a long "gap" and the next relevant sample - J1a dated to 2500-1950 BC - is from the Levant (Ain Ghazal, Early Bronze Age). When it comes to N1c the oldest sample in Europe, dated to 2500 BC, is from the region of Smolensk.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Here it is:

Dominant Y-DNA by region at the onset of the Neolithization of Europe:

Region: dominant "indigeneous" Y-DNA haplogroups

1. Western and Central Europe: I2a, I1, I2c, C1a2
2. European part of Russia: R1a, R1b, Q1a
3. Caucasus region (Georgia): J1b, J2a
4. Western Asia*: G2, E1, J2, R2, T, G1, H2, L1, F3

*Samples from Anatolia, from the Levant and from Iran.

The most mysterious - due to their scarcity in aDNA so far - are J1 and N1c.

We have J1b in a hunter-gatherer from Georgia, but then there is a long "gap" and the next relevant sample - J1a dated to 2500-1950 BC - is from the Levant (Ain Ghazal, Early Bronze Age). When it comes to N1c the oldest sample in Europe, dated to 2500 BC, is from the region of Smolensk.

what about j2b2 and J-L283? J2 is is before ice age

[Ülev]

so R1ethelions - go back home to mother Russia

(jk)

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

j2 is 28000 years
https://www.yfull.com/tree/J2/

[Rethel]

2. European part of Russia: R1a, R1b, Q1a

One guy obviously being killed by R1 in the forest and being dropped into pit.
They did not like each other, especially R1-men did not probably like Q-men,
even if sometimes were stilling Q's Redskin women for further reproduction...

http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/club-to-the-head.gif



When it comes to N1c the oldest sample in Europe, dated to 2500 BC, is from the region of Smolensk.

But much older are from Manchuria, so logically, they were
wandering and some small group was at the moment in Smoleńsk.

[Ülev]

One guy obviously killed by R1 in the forest and being dropped into pit.
They didn't like each other, especially R1men didnt like Qmen, even if
sometimes had been stilling Q's Redskin women for further reproduction...

http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/club-to-the-head.gif



But much older are from Manchuria, so logically, they were
wandering and some small group were at the moment in Smoleńsk.

man, R1 is from Q,P,R branch and I from I,J,K -so say hello to Redskin brothers

even more, Brits (r1b) or Slavs (r1a) sometimes can't tan, burn in sun - are reddish -Redskin as hell!