Will they ever be able to distinguish Native American groups?

[CrazyDaisy]

I wish this would happen. While I know I'll never know what tribes I originate from, I still want to figure out how Andid or Centralid I am.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

forget Andid and Centralid, this is pure pseudoscience bullshit

Americas was invaded by three waves from Siberia, the two first waves are associated with people Y dna Q, that colonized North America to South America

http://www.transpacificproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.png

the last wave, colonized the extreme North America region(Inuit, Na-Dené), associated with the Ydna C

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Distribution_of_Haplogroup_C-M217_Y-DNA_-_worldwide.png

[Mortimer]

I wish this would happen. While I know I'll never know what tribes I originate from, I still want to figure out how Andid or Centralid I am.

I think they distinguish some tribes already. Wegene does I think. Im not sure.

[CrazyDaisy]

I think they distinguish some tribes already. Wegene does I think. Im not sure.

It doesn't. It just calls natives "Maya" or "Eskimo".

[Mortimer]

It doesn't. It just calls natives "Maya" or "Eskimo".

so they distinguish at least two, its not only "native american", i hope in future some will have more of it.

[CrazyDaisy]

forget Andid and Centralid, this is pure pseudoscience bullshit

Americas was invaded by three waves from Siberia, the two first waves are associated with people Y dna Q, that colonized North America to South America

http://www.transpacificproject.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/06/Haplogroup_Q_Y-DNA.png

the last wave, colonized the extreme North America region(Inuit, Na-Dené), associated with the Ydna C

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Distribution_of_Haplogroup_C-M217_Y-DNA_-_worldwide.png

Why do Andids have a distinct look?

[ЛыSSый]

one more "idk my roots" butthurt thread. Feel pity to you.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Why do Andids have a distinct look?

its like why do iberians look different from scottish people. They just do.

[Grab the Gauge]

There's nothing to distinguish. Native Americans have no population structure and descend from a very limited number of people.

[alnortedelsur]

All I can say is that the ones who stand out the most are Andids (Amerindians from the Central Andes), and the Eskimos from the Arctic regions in North America (who are not Amerindian).

[alnortedelsur]

There's nothing to distinguish. Native Americans have no population structure and descend from a very limited number of people.

Do you think that there is more genetic and phenotype variety among Native Europeans than among Native Americans??

[CrazyDaisy]

All I can say is that the ones who stand out the most are Andids (Amerindians from the Central Andes), and the Eskimos from the Arctic regions in North America (who are not Amerindian).

What makes the Andids so distinct. I understand why the Eskimos are. Eskimos score half Native American, half East Asian.

[Grab the Gauge]

Do you think that there is more genetic and phenotype variety among Native Europeans than among Native Americans??

Yeah, way more variety. The only thing that's really diverse about Amerindians is language. They are very linguisticslly diverse, more so than Africa. Genetically they are the least diverse population on Earth.

[alpha]

lmao andid and centralid are phenotypes dumbass

[CrazyDaisy]

lmao andid and centralid are phenotypes dumbass

I'm just wondering if they're genetically distinct enough to be differentiated. Since Ecuador isn't completely Andid that makes me curious about how Andid I am.

[RMuller]

I wish this would happen. While I know I'll never know what tribes I originate from, I still want to figure out how Andid or Centralid I am.

You are probably a mixture of Andid and Centralid.

Do you have Mexican relatives on 23andme?

[CrazyDaisy]

You are probably a mixture of Andid and Centralid.

Do you have Mexican relatives on 23andme?

I'm guessing I am a mixture. Just want to know if I'm more Andid or centralid. I do notice some centralid influence. I don't look as Andid as Peruvians with similar admixture.

I do have Mexican relatives on 23andme, but I assume it's from my recent Spanish ancestry. I also have Puerto Rican relatives.

[RMuller]

I'm guessing I am a mixture. Just want to know if I'm more Andid or centralid. I do notice some centralid influence.

What do you notice that is Centralid in you?


I don't look as Andid as Peruvians with similar admixture.


You have seen Peruvians DNA results with pics similiar to your results? I dated 2 Peruanas who were around 55-60% Euro and when i first saw them them i thought they were Mexican girls. They had your skin tone.



Pueblo Puruhá from Ecuador. Do they look more Centralid or Andid?


They look Centralid to me.

http://www.larepublica.ec/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Captura-de-pantalla-2016-02-22-a-las-3.31.46-p.m..png

http://s3.amazonaws.com/voy/attachments/2032/inline/marlene.png

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7pazde8AQ59o6j4ni8Mxfq5uYNVrpl 8LqR9zrZo0JOikyQdyL

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ach0Y1j0734/UWuMod8H3xI/AAAAAAAAAFU/rEOJYp3oHCQ/s1600/palta.jpg



I do have Mexican relatives on 23andme, but I assume it's from my recent Spanish ancestry. I also have Puerto Rican relatives.

You could be related to Mexicans thru your Sephardic Jewish ancestors. Your dad scored 2.7% Ashkenazi which is among the highest i have seen among Latinos who don't have recent Jewish ancestors.Some Mexicans and your dad have scored around 2.7% Ashkenazi.


A group of researchers in the United States and Ecuador analyzed DNA from two communities who trace back to Spanish colonial times: one in the San Luis Valley of southern Colorado and northern New Mexico, which includes Conejos County, and one in the Loja Province of southern Ecuador.


The study found “observable Sephardic ancestry” in both communities and calculated Jewish ancestry among the Lojanos at about 5 to 10 percent and among Mexican-Americans "Hispanos", at about 1 to 5 percent.


As the historical hypothesis goes, once the Inquisition arrived in the New World, Crypto Jews pushed on to the remote corners of the Spanish empire, such as New Mexico and Colorado, to escape the Church’s reach. The San Luis Valley and Loja — both located in the farthest corners of what were once Spanish holdings — would therefore be expected to have discernable Jewish ancestry.

In Loja, genetic traces of ancestry are even more apparent. Scattered across the remote villages of the province are nearly 100 people with Laron syndrome, which is marked by a severe short stature. When Dr. Jaime Guevara-Aguirre, a diabetes specialist based in Quito, Ecuador, who collaborated with Ostrer on his study, first began treating this group in 1987, the referring physician told him that legend had it that these people all descended from the same Sephardic Jew who had come over with the explorers.
In 1992 and 1993, scientists discovered that all Lojanos with Laron’s carried the same mutation and shared it with one person in Israel and nine others in Latin America.

http://www.jta.org/2011/09/28/news-opinion/united-states/new-genetic-evidence-links-spanish-americans-of-southwest-to-jews

[CrazyDaisy]

What do you notice that is Centralid in you?




You have seen Peruvians DNA results with pics similiar to your results? I dated 2 Peruanas who were around 55-60% Euro and when i first saw them them i thought they were Mexican girls. They had your skin tone.



Pueblo Puruhá from Ecuador. Do they look more Centralid or Andid?


They look Centralid to me.

http://www.larepublica.ec/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Captura-de-pantalla-2016-02-22-a-las-3.31.46-p.m..png

http://s3.amazonaws.com/voy/attachments/2032/inline/marlene.png

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQ7pazde8AQ59o6j4ni8Mxfq5uYNVrpl 8LqR9zrZo0JOikyQdyL

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Ach0Y1j0734/UWuMod8H3xI/AAAAAAAAAFU/rEOJYp3oHCQ/s1600/palta.jpg




You could be related to Mexicans thru your Sephardic Jewish ancestors. Your dad scored 2.7% Ashkenazi which is among the highest i have seen among Latinos who don't have recent Jewish ancestors.Some Mexicans and your dad have scored around 2.7% Ashkenazi.


A group of researchers in the United States and Ecuador analyzed DNA from two communities who trace back to Spanish colonial times: one in the San Luis Valley of southern Colorado and northern New Mexico, which includes Conejos County, and one in the Loja Province of southern Ecuador.


The study found “observable Sephardic ancestry” in both communities and calculated Jewish ancestry among the Lojanos at about 5 to 10 percent and among Mexican-Americans "Hispanos", at about 1 to 5 percent.


As the historical hypothesis goes, once the Inquisition arrived in the New World, Crypto Jews pushed on to the remote corners of the Spanish empire, such as New Mexico and Colorado, to escape the Church’s reach. The San Luis Valley and Loja — both located in the farthest corners of what were once Spanish holdings — would therefore be expected to have discernable Jewish ancestry.

In Loja, genetic traces of ancestry are even more apparent. Scattered across the remote villages of the province are nearly 100 people with Laron syndrome, which is marked by a severe short stature. When Dr. Jaime Guevara-Aguirre, a diabetes specialist based in Quito, Ecuador, who collaborated with Ostrer on his study, first began treating this group in 1987, the referring physician told him that legend had it that these people all descended from the same Sephardic Jew who had come over with the explorers.
In 1992 and 1993, scientists discovered that all Lojanos with Laron’s carried the same mutation and shared it with one person in Israel and nine others in Latin America.

http://www.jta.org/2011/09/28/news-opinion/united-states/new-genetic-evidence-links-spanish-americans-of-southwest-to-jews
My native features seem softer, I have a rounder face and my nose shape is a bit different. From the side my nose seems to have Andid/Baskid influence, but from the front I think my nose looks more Mexican. Andids seem to have wider nostrils. This could easily be due to my Spanish side as well. My dad does have semi-recent Jewish ancestry. We know the name of our Jewish ancestor. We even have the same last name, the spelling just changed. Even though his mom is a devout Catholic, she's really into Jewish stuff as well. I have plenty of family from Loja as well, but it's mainly basque.

[Peterski]

Yes, it is already possible.

[Bobby Martnen]

Yes, it is already possible.

How do people find unmixed samples for Amerindian tribes? Seems most Amerindians have significant European admixture nowadays...

[Peterski]

How do people find unmixed samples for Amerindian tribes? Seems most Amerindians have significant European admixture nowadays...

Not true, I found lots of unmixed Native Americans on GEDmatch.

Mainly from South Dakota (Sioux), Oklahoma, Arizona, New Mexico.

[Peterski]

For example DNA Land results of a Sioux with parents from Rosebud and Lower Brule Reservations:

https://i.imgur.com/h6TSvvp.png

http://thenextfamily.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/04/southdakota.png

[Bobby Martnen]

Not true, I found lots of unmixed Native Americans on GEDmatch.


How do you find people on GEDmatch?

[ovidiu]

A friend of mine who is Hispanic American, mostly Bolivian on her mom's side and Anglo-American Mormon and Spanish on her dad's. Somehow for her Ancestry.com DNA test or whatever it said her native was 30% and was from a tribe in New Mexico, and her mom got a test and she got the more expected South American Indian on hers. So there seems to be a lot of problems as far as native genetics are concerned.