Myanthropologies
09-07-2016, 12:26 AM
Sikeliot has been claiming that mainland Greeks are part Russian and different from Greek Islanders, etc who genetically cluster with Sicilians. He then claims that Sicilians are in turn genetically close to levites while mainland Greeks are closer to Balkanic populations. Well, on most oracles, I've noticed that Sicilians (and Ashkenazi Jews for that matter) tend to be closer to Greeks genetically than to Levantines, and are genetically closer to at least 1 population from the balkans. They're even genetically closer to at least one Balkan population than they are to Turks lol. Some are just as close to Levantines as they are to Balkanians, some even closer to levites, but the majority (50%) are the aforementioned way.
I just think it isn't right to claim that Greeks aren't like Sicilians and that they should stop being compared to each other, when he compares Levantines and Sicilians even though both Greeks and Sicilians are genetically closer to at least one Balkan group than to levants. I also don't like how he emphasizes the racial differences between mainlander and non mainlanders Greeks when there is usually no more than 6 genetic distance between them. He is also forgetting the cultural and identity similarities between all Greeks.
Some examples, from Sikeliot himself lmao:
Messina:
# Population Percent
1 Natufian 50.67
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.73
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.44
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
5 Sub_Saharan 1.74
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 2.08
2 Italian_South 3.18
3 Sicilian 3.55
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.62
5 Jew_Libyan 6.3
6 Greek 6.58
7 Jew_Tunisian 6.73
8 Albanian 8.1
9 Armenia_ChL 9.74
10 Cypriot 9.9
11 Bulgarian 12.72
12 Turkish 13.26
13 Lebanese 13.64
14 Druze 13.8
15 Romanian 14.56
16 Jordanian 14.79
17 Syrian 14.86
18 Palestinian 15.01
19 BedouinA 16.71
20 Saudi 17.18
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.8% Sardinian + 41.2% Iran_LN @ 1.02
2 54.6% Europe_EN + 45.4% Iran_N @ 1.12
3 59% Bulgarian + 41% Levant_BA @ 1.4
4 62.5% Europe_EN + 37.5% CHG @ 1.42
5 56.7% Sardinian + 43.3% Kurd_F @ 1.44
6 58.6% Levant_BA + 41.4% Norwegian @ 1.49
7 61.1% Levant_BA + 38.9% Europe_LNBA @ 1.5
8 58% Levant_BA + 42% Scottish @ 1.52
9 64.9% Druze + 35.1% Basque @ 1.58
10 50.3% Levant_BA + 49.7% Croatian @ 1.58
11 74% Greek + 26% Levant_BA @ 1.61
12 57.8% Levant_BA + 42.2% Ukrainian @ 1.61
13 55.7% Romanian + 44.3% Levant_BA @ 1.67
14 85.3% Sicilian + 14.7% Levant_BA @ 1.68
15 89.4% Jew_Ashkenazi + 10.6% Cypriot @ 1.72
16 60.5% Levant_BA + 39.5% Icelandic @ 1.73
17 94.4% Jew_Ashkenazi + 5.6% Jew_Iranian @ 1.74
18 54.2% Levant_BA + 45.8% Hungarian @ 1.77
19 92.6% Jew_Ashkenazi + 7.4% Druze @ 1.77
20 62.9% Levant_BA + 37.1% Estonian @ 1.77
Caltanissetta:
# Population Percent
1 Natufian 49.41
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.81
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.19
4 Sub_Saharan 2.6
5 East_Asian 1.79
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.2
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 1.79
2 Sicilian 2.91
3 Italian_South 3.08
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.75
5 Greek 5.94
6 Jew_Libyan 6.61
7 Jew_Tunisian 7.02
8 Albanian 7.48
9 Armenia_ChL 9.59
10 Cypriot 10.42
11 Bulgarian 11.88
12 Turkish 12.04
13 Lebanese 13.65
14 Romanian 13.76
15 Druze 14.24
16 Syrian 14.51
17 Jordanian 14.53
18 Palestinian 15.01
19 Adygei 16.3
20 BedouinA 16.42
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 7.3% Balkar @ 1.2
2 92.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 7.2% Adygei @ 1.27
3 90.5% Jew_Ashkenazi + 9.5% Turkish @ 1.28
4 93.1% Jew_Ashkenazi + 6.9% Kumyk @ 1.3
5 57.6% Romanian + 42.4% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.3
6 94.2% Jew_Ashkenazi + 5.8% Lezgin @ 1.32
7 93.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 6.3% Chechen @ 1.33
8 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% MA1 @ 1.34
9 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% AG2 @ 1.34
10 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% AG3 @ 1.34
11 84% Sicilian + 16% Lebanese @ 1.35
12 94.3% Jew_Ashkenazi + 5.7% Azeri @ 1.36
13 64.9% Albanian + 35.1% Lebanese @ 1.39
14 85% Sicilian + 15% Syrian @ 1.41
15 98.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.3% EHG @ 1.43
16 85.1% Sicilian + 14.9% Jordanian @ 1.43
17 67.1% Albanian + 32.9% Palestinian @ 1.43
18 96.6% Jew_Ashkenazi + 3.4% Tajik @ 1.46
19 54.4% Greek + 45.6% Jew_Tunisian @ 1.46
20 96.6% Jew_Ashkenazi + 3.4% Iran_N @ 1.47
I just think it isn't right to claim that Greeks aren't like Sicilians and that they should stop being compared to each other, when he compares Levantines and Sicilians even though both Greeks and Sicilians are genetically closer to at least one Balkan group than to levants. I also don't like how he emphasizes the racial differences between mainlander and non mainlanders Greeks when there is usually no more than 6 genetic distance between them. He is also forgetting the cultural and identity similarities between all Greeks.
Some examples, from Sikeliot himself lmao:
Messina:
# Population Percent
1 Natufian 50.67
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.73
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 18.44
4 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 2.42
5 Sub_Saharan 1.74
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 2.08
2 Italian_South 3.18
3 Sicilian 3.55
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.62
5 Jew_Libyan 6.3
6 Greek 6.58
7 Jew_Tunisian 6.73
8 Albanian 8.1
9 Armenia_ChL 9.74
10 Cypriot 9.9
11 Bulgarian 12.72
12 Turkish 13.26
13 Lebanese 13.64
14 Druze 13.8
15 Romanian 14.56
16 Jordanian 14.79
17 Syrian 14.86
18 Palestinian 15.01
19 BedouinA 16.71
20 Saudi 17.18
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 58.8% Sardinian + 41.2% Iran_LN @ 1.02
2 54.6% Europe_EN + 45.4% Iran_N @ 1.12
3 59% Bulgarian + 41% Levant_BA @ 1.4
4 62.5% Europe_EN + 37.5% CHG @ 1.42
5 56.7% Sardinian + 43.3% Kurd_F @ 1.44
6 58.6% Levant_BA + 41.4% Norwegian @ 1.49
7 61.1% Levant_BA + 38.9% Europe_LNBA @ 1.5
8 58% Levant_BA + 42% Scottish @ 1.52
9 64.9% Druze + 35.1% Basque @ 1.58
10 50.3% Levant_BA + 49.7% Croatian @ 1.58
11 74% Greek + 26% Levant_BA @ 1.61
12 57.8% Levant_BA + 42.2% Ukrainian @ 1.61
13 55.7% Romanian + 44.3% Levant_BA @ 1.67
14 85.3% Sicilian + 14.7% Levant_BA @ 1.68
15 89.4% Jew_Ashkenazi + 10.6% Cypriot @ 1.72
16 60.5% Levant_BA + 39.5% Icelandic @ 1.73
17 94.4% Jew_Ashkenazi + 5.6% Jew_Iranian @ 1.74
18 54.2% Levant_BA + 45.8% Hungarian @ 1.77
19 92.6% Jew_Ashkenazi + 7.4% Druze @ 1.77
20 62.9% Levant_BA + 37.1% Estonian @ 1.77
Caltanissetta:
# Population Percent
1 Natufian 49.41
2 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 26.81
3 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 19.19
4 Sub_Saharan 2.6
5 East_Asian 1.79
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 0.2
Single Population Sharing:
# Population (source) Distance
1 Jew_Ashkenazi 1.79
2 Sicilian 2.91
3 Italian_South 3.08
4 Jew_Moroccan 4.75
5 Greek 5.94
6 Jew_Libyan 6.61
7 Jew_Tunisian 7.02
8 Albanian 7.48
9 Armenia_ChL 9.59
10 Cypriot 10.42
11 Bulgarian 11.88
12 Turkish 12.04
13 Lebanese 13.65
14 Romanian 13.76
15 Druze 14.24
16 Syrian 14.51
17 Jordanian 14.53
18 Palestinian 15.01
19 Adygei 16.3
20 BedouinA 16.42
Mixed Mode Population Sharing:
# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 92.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 7.3% Balkar @ 1.2
2 92.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 7.2% Adygei @ 1.27
3 90.5% Jew_Ashkenazi + 9.5% Turkish @ 1.28
4 93.1% Jew_Ashkenazi + 6.9% Kumyk @ 1.3
5 57.6% Romanian + 42.4% Jew_Yemenite @ 1.3
6 94.2% Jew_Ashkenazi + 5.8% Lezgin @ 1.32
7 93.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 6.3% Chechen @ 1.33
8 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% MA1 @ 1.34
9 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% AG2 @ 1.34
10 98.8% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.2% AG3 @ 1.34
11 84% Sicilian + 16% Lebanese @ 1.35
12 94.3% Jew_Ashkenazi + 5.7% Azeri @ 1.36
13 64.9% Albanian + 35.1% Lebanese @ 1.39
14 85% Sicilian + 15% Syrian @ 1.41
15 98.7% Jew_Ashkenazi + 1.3% EHG @ 1.43
16 85.1% Sicilian + 14.9% Jordanian @ 1.43
17 67.1% Albanian + 32.9% Palestinian @ 1.43
18 96.6% Jew_Ashkenazi + 3.4% Tajik @ 1.46
19 54.4% Greek + 45.6% Jew_Tunisian @ 1.46
20 96.6% Jew_Ashkenazi + 3.4% Iran_N @ 1.47