If East and NorthEast Asians never had mixed with Eastern non African...

[AphroditeWorshiper]

if the East Asians and NorthEast Asians never had mixed with Eastern non African/Ancient South Eurasian people, they would be look like Eastern/Northern European nowadays?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CEzHr92V4Bw/UStmi07deuI/AAAAAAAACXk/z-mCZM8O1Qg/s1600/blond-mongol-girl.jpg

[Porn Master]

European/East Asian mix 👍


European/African mix 👎

[AphroditeWorshiper]

please, I need the truth

[Porn Master]

I didn't understand your point correctly

[Styrian Mujo]

Idk that Japs,Koreans and North Chinese had south eurasian.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

My theory:

ANE people migrate to East/Northeast Asia

they look like probably Eastern/Northern European borealized

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/04/Lagertha-played-by-Katheryn-Winnick-cr_-Bernard-Walsh-_-HISTORY-1200x800.jpg

they mixed with Eastern non African/Ancient South Eurasian

http://www.k-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/People-of-Papua-New-Guinea.jpg

and the result is the currently East/Northeast Asians

[Porn Master]

Your theory doesn't work, sorry.

[zhaoyun]

This thread is nonsensical and retarded.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Your theory doesn't work, sorry.

for example:

Chinese Han people are 88% Ancient South Eurasian and 12% ANE

my point is: if they was just ANE without Ancient South Eurasian, what they look like nowadays?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

This thread is nonsensical and retarded.

please no, is just a curiosity

after I saw a picture of an article that show that East Asians are a mix of ANE and Ancient South Eurasian, I find this very interesting

[Danishmend]

My theory:

ANE people migrate to East/Northeast Asia

they look like probably Eastern/Northern European borealized

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/04/Lagertha-played-by-Katheryn-Winnick-cr_-Bernard-Walsh-_-HISTORY-1200x800.jpg


ANE looked nothing like North/Northeast Europeans. The component doesn't even peak there you imbecile.

The blonde woman above is WHG + Neolithic for the most part. Europeans on average have less ANE than West Asians, Central Asians, South Asians and Volga-Ural non-IE populations.

[Styrian Mujo]

My theory:

ANE people migrate to East/Northeast Asia

they look like probably Eastern/Northern European borealized

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/04/Lagertha-played-by-Katheryn-Winnick-cr_-Bernard-Walsh-_-HISTORY-1200x800.jpg

they mixed with Eastern non African/Ancient South Eurasian

http://www.k-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/People-of-Papua-New-Guinea.jpg

and the result is the currently East/Northeast Asians

Aww man that takes Nordicism to a whole new level:thumb001:

[AphroditeWorshiper]

ANE looked nothing like North/Northeast Europeans. The component doesn't even peak there you imbecile.

The blonde woman above is WHG + Neolithic for the most part. Europeans on average have less ANE than West Asians, Central Asians, South Asians and Volga-Ural non-IE populations.

yeah, I saw some article about this, but I don't believe

if the European Hunter Gatherers evolved light eyes for example in Ice Age, they lived in a extreme cold region, why ANE people don't evolved too? in the future we will find the proof, the same thing for light eyes, WHG and ANE was genetically brothers, EHG was majority ANE

the thing is that East Asians evolved Straight hair and light skin from ANE and dark eyes and dark hair from Ancient South Eurasian

[johen]

yeah, I saw some article about this, but I don't believe

if the European Hunter Gatherers evolved light eyes for example in Ice Age, they lived in a extreme cold region, why ANE people don't evolved too? in the future we will find the proof, the same thing for light eyes, WHG and ANE was genetically brothers, EHG was majority ANE

the thing is that East Asians evolved Straight hair and light skin from ANE and dark eyes and dark hair from Ancient South Eurasian

Who were they? Hg C, D or N,O?

[zhaoyun]

Oh, East Asians are half Nordic and half Papuan. Ok, thanks for letting me know.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

ANE looked nothing like North/Northeast Europeans. The component doesn't even peak there you imbecile.

The blonde woman above is WHG + Neolithic for the most part. Europeans on average have less ANE than West Asians, Central Asians, South Asians and Volga-Ural non-IE populations.

the actress above is of Ukrainian origin, so she obviously have ANE

[Danishmend]

for example:

Chinese Han people are 88% Ancient South Eurasian and 12% ANE

my point is: if they was just ANE without Ancient South Eurasian, what they look like nowadays?

Where did you get that? According to Eurogenes k8 North Han Chinese are 81% East_Eurasian + %15 South Eurasian + 3% Ancient North Eurasian + 1% other components

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit#gid=74932529

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Who were they? Hg C, D or N,O?

C and D for Ydna

and the descendents of M for Mtdna

[Danishmend]

the actress above is of Ukrainian origin, so she obviously have ANE

Yes, as a East European she has more ANE than the rest of Europeans (West, South etc) but she has less ANE than Central Asians, South Asians, Volga-Ural non-IE and most West Asian populations. She is 15-16% ANE at most, the rest is WHG + Near East, which means she is far from representing "ANE look".

This is what happens when ANE and Australoid mix with each other.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2010/12/21/1292946208417/India-Dalit-Hindu-005.jpg

[Timawa]

East Asians don't carry the Papuan or S. Asian genes. Some SEAs do carry the minimal genes.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Yes, as a East European she has more ANE than the rest of Europeans (West, South etc) but she has less ANE than Central Asians, South Asians, Volga-Ural non-IE and most West Asian populations. She is 15-16% ANE at most, the rest is WHG + Near East, which means she is far from representing "ANE look".

This is what happens when ANE and Australoid mix with each other.

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/About/General/2010/12/21/1292946208417/India-Dalit-Hindu-005.jpg

No, Indians are product of Iranian Neolithic/ASI/Indo Aryan(Neolithic/EHG/ANE)

I really believe in my theory...

[AphroditeWorshiper]

East Asians don't carry the Papuan or S. Asian genes. Some SEAs do carry the minimal genes.

the Ydna C in East/Northeast Asia proof the opposite...

[johen]

My theory:

ANE people migrate to East/Northeast Asia

they look like probably Eastern/Northern European borealized

http://blogs-images.forbes.com/erikkain/files/2016/04/Lagertha-played-by-Katheryn-Winnick-cr_-Bernard-Walsh-_-HISTORY-1200x800.jpg

they mixed with Eastern non African/Ancient South Eurasian

http://www.k-international.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/People-of-Papua-New-Guinea.jpg

and the result is the currently East/Northeast Asians

First of all, see the map. As you know, the Karitiana people have 42% ANE component. I think the okunevo people would be over the 90% ANE component, considering the Karitiana admixture.
The ockunevo people were american indian, hence, the ANE would be similar or the same as american Indian. The problem is american indian's skull resembles the australoid or caucasoid. So I think the Caucasoid or australoid skull plus Southeast Asian australoid skull cannot make mongloid skull.
Moreover, anthropologist Ashley montague said that the mongloid is more progressive than any other race. So Indian(paleo mongloid) and southeast asian(australoid) cannot produce East Asia(neo-mongoloid) at all, I think.
https://s4.postimg.org/ok0hoznhp/Capture.png


Intriguingly, individuals of the Bronze Age Okunevo culture from the Sayano-Altai region (Fig. 1) are related to present-day Native Americans (Extended Data Fig. 2d), which confirms previous craniometric studies30. This finding implies that Okunevo could represent a remnant population related to the Upper Palaeolithic Mal’ta hunter-gatherer population from Lake Baikal that contributed genetic material to Native Americans


Australoids have the second largest brow ridges "with moderate to large supraorbital arches".[12] Caucasoids have the largest brow ridges similar in size with "moderate to large supraorbital ridges".[12] Negroids have the third largest brow ridges with an "undulating supraorbital ridge".[12] Mongoloids are "absent browridges", so they have the smallest brow ridges.

[Grab the Gauge]

The Ancient North Eurasians were completely Mongoloid. We know this from the self portraits they left behind.


25,000 year old Mal'ta-Buret figurines

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/14/03/14/140314f1ca500a421e26877baf0ec014.jpg

http://donsmaps.com/images11/maltavenussm.jpg

Ancient North Eurasians would have looked like this.

https://i.imgur.com/8n1O503.jpg

https://41.media.tumblr.com/cd39e81925063dbfb89250c8aa11efe7/tumblr_inline_nv1ww1m3ji1satwt3_540.jpg

Fully Sinodont teeth have been found in Siberia at Strashnaya cave dating to over 20,000 years ago.

Mal'ta boy was Mongoloid.

Engravings of cobras on a mammoth ivory plate indicate the Ancient North Eurasians actually came from Southeast Asia.

http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltahermitageplateback.jpg


On one side of the plate we can see three snakes. The snake is rare in northern hemisphere Paleolithic art, presumably because the cold conditions precluded a wide distribution of snakes. In addition, it can be seen that the snakes have very broad heads, as though they belong to the Cobra group - yet Cobras are now known only in southern asian localities.

http://donsmaps.com/images24/cobradistributionmapsm.jpg

http://donsmaps.com/malta.html

All of the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates that Ancient North Eurasians (ANE) were completely Mongoloid and had a southeast Asian origin.

[Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik]

The Ancient North Eurasians were completely Mongoloid. We know this from the self portraits they left behind.


25,000 year old Mal'ta-Buret figurines

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/14/03/14/140314f1ca500a421e26877baf0ec014.jpg

http://donsmaps.com/images11/maltavenussm.jpg

Ancient North Eurasians would have looked like this.

https://i.imgur.com/8n1O503.jpg

https://41.media.tumblr.com/cd39e81925063dbfb89250c8aa11efe7/tumblr_inline_nv1ww1m3ji1satwt3_540.jpg

Fully Sinodont teeth have been found in Siberia at Strashnaya cave dating to over 20,000 years ago.

Mal'ta boy was Mongoloid.

Engravings of cobras on a mammoth ivory plate indicate the Ancient North Eurasians actually came from Southeast Asia.

http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltahermitageplateback.jpg



http://donsmaps.com/malta.html

All of the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates that Ancient North Eurasians (ANE) were completely Mongoloid and had a southeast Asian origin.

That makes sense, too, like there are Europeans with high ANE that have slanted eyes - from where else could it come? Me for example, I am only 2% East Asian and obviously my eyes can not come from 2% can it? Must be from ANEs, because I have a high amount of ANE.

[zarzian]

The Ancient North Eurasians were completely Mongoloid. We know this from the self portraits they left behind.


25,000 year old Mal'ta-Buret figurines

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/14/03/14/140314f1ca500a421e26877baf0ec014.jpg

http://donsmaps.com/images11/maltavenussm.jpg

Ancient North Eurasians would have looked like this.

https://i.imgur.com/8n1O503.jpg

https://41.media.tumblr.com/cd39e81925063dbfb89250c8aa11efe7/tumblr_inline_nv1ww1m3ji1satwt3_540.jpg

Fully Sinodont teeth have been found in Siberia at Strashnaya cave dating to over 20,000 years ago.

Mal'ta boy was Mongoloid.

Engravings of cobras on a mammoth ivory plate indicate the Ancient North Eurasians actually came from Southeast Asia.

http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltahermitageplateback.jpg



http://donsmaps.com/malta.html

All of the evidence overwhelmingly demonstrates that Ancient North Eurasians (ANE) were completely Mongoloid and had a southeast Asian origin.

Cmon bro at low K's Mal'ta boy is overwhelmingly West Eurasiam.

[Grab the Gauge]

. The problem is american indian's skull resembles the australoid or caucasoid.

No, it does not. American Indians are fully Mongoloid. The North American Indians are also Sinodont and have fully Momgoloid skin coloration, hair texture, fingerprint patterning and epidemiological characteristics.


So I think the Caucasoid or australoid skull plus Southeast Asian australoid skull cannot make mongloid skull.

This is correct. Mongolids are statistically deviant by several orders of magnitude from all other races and cannot be a result of admixture between two other modern humam races. They are especially deviant from Caucssoids and Negroids (who are similar to eachother), and also from Australoids.



Moreover, anthropologist Ashley montague said that the mongloid is more progressive than any other race.

This however is wrong. Mongoloids are extremely archaic. Archaicness is more than a simple brow ridge. Mongoloids have tall circular eye orbits, this is archaic. Mongoloids have the largest faces of any extant people, this is archaic. Mongoloids have massive teeth, a tendency to prognathism, flattened tibias, broadened rib cages, inflated maxillary sinuses, wide ramii, etc. These are all archaic characteristics. Moreover, we now have DNA evidence that Mongoloids have more archaiic admixture than other people. They have more Neanderthal and Denisovan admixture than Europeans and Middle Easterners. Mongoloid skin came from Neanderthals. Asian's heavy round hair shafts came from Neanderthals. Type 2 diabetes risk variants in Mongolids are Neanderthal introgressed. Mongoloids got bodyfat distribution genes from Denisovans. Nobody is devoid of archaic characteristics, but Asians are not the lowest on the list.

[Grab the Gauge]

Cmon bro at low K's Mal'ta boy is overwhelmingly West Eurasiam.

Not sure where you're getting this from but its wrong. Mal'ta boy was East Eurasian.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Oh, East Asians are half Nordic and half Papuan. Ok, thanks for letting me know.
Didn't you know about the Chinese nordic samoan vikings?:confused:

[AphroditeWorshiper]

my point, is that I think the early ANEs(when they migrated to Siberia/East Asia) they was similar to WHGs, since they are genetically brothers

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JfsaZ0Arig0/VIwqnsNURuI/AAAAAAAABzA/XqR_3Y4l3y0/s1600/2kjz7p.jpg

but after years of Mixed with Eastern non African and borealized they formed the "Mongoloid look", and migrated to Europe and Central Asia

so, the question was: if they don't mixed with Ancient South Eurasian( Eastern non African), what was their look?

[Grab the Gauge]

my point, is that I think the early ANEs(when they migrated to Siberia/East Asia) they was similar to WHGs, since they are genetically brothers

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JfsaZ0Arig0/VIwqnsNURuI/AAAAAAAABzA/XqR_3Y4l3y0/s1600/2kjz7p.jpg

but after years of Mixed with Eastern non African and borealized they formed the "Mongoloid look", and migrated to Europe and Central Asia

so, the question was: if they don't mixed with Ancient South Eurasian( Eastern non African), what was their look?

This question is a non-sequitur and a false dichotomy.

The Mongoloid "look" is a mosaic of Neanderthal, Denisovan, and derived modern human characteristics.

It did not appear as a result of mixing between two modern human groups in East Eurasia.

Mongoloids are not just from East Asia. There were Mongoloids in Western Europe. The Solutre crania from France are Mongoloid. Oase 2 was a Mongoloid. The Chancelade skull is Mongoloid:

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B694cMtwy4VlNjFhZWYzZjgtNGM4OC00ZmMyLTgyNmEtNTNiN Dc3ZGM3NjM1/edit?hl=en&pli=1

Mongoloids existed on both the western and eastern fringes of Eurasia. ANE were Mongoloid from the very beginning.

[Ibericus]

my point, is that I think the early ANEs(when they migrated to Siberia/East Asia) they was similar to WHGs, since they are genetically brothers

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-JfsaZ0Arig0/VIwqnsNURuI/AAAAAAAABzA/XqR_3Y4l3y0/s1600/2kjz7p.jpg

but after years of Mixed with Eastern non African and borealized they formed the "Mongoloid look", and migrated to Europe and Central Asia

so, the question was: if they don't mixed with Ancient South Eurasian( Eastern non African), what was their look?
This is outdated. The ANE didn't migrate to Europe, we got it via the steppe migrations. Also, the ANE weren't "mongoloid", at low K's the ANE are predominantly West-Eurasian,

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Light eyes and light hair = Ice Age adaptation

^ who lived in Ice Age: WHGs and ANEs

[Grab the Gauge]

This is outdated. The ANE didn't migrate to Europe, we got it via the steppe migrations. Also, the ANE weren't "mongoloid", at low K's the ANE are predominantly West-Eurasian,

You are wrong. K analysis does nothing to show that ANE were West Eurasian or non-Mongoloid. ANE were fully Mongoloid, the Mal'ta boy was fully Mongoloid, the Mal'ta figurines are fully Mongoloid, and the cultural property of the Mal'ta Buret people has Southeast Asian influences. This is the predominant view held by anthropologists.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

don't is possible that a person has Mongoloid features and structure, but with light eyes and light hair? this is what I tought about ANEs!

Borealized Eastern Europeans look!

[Grab the Gauge]

Light eyes and light hair = Ice Age adaptation

^ who lived in Ice Age: WHGs and ANEs

ANE were not light eyed or light haired, and several other people lived in Ice Ages other than ANE and WHG. The Siberian Denisova hominid has been demonstratee gy genetics science to have had black skin and black hair. Neanderthals had black skin and black hair. Modern day Eskimos live in Ice Age conditions and had black skin and black hair. The predominant evolutionary adaptation to Ice Age conditions has been blwck skin and black hair. This is what cold adaptation looks like:


http://rs18.pbsrc.com/albums/b118/sambucus/netsilik6.jpg?w=480&h=480&fit=clip

[Grab the Gauge]

don't is possible that a person has Mongoloid features and structure, but with light eyes and light hair? this is what I tought about ANEs!

Borealized Eastern Europeans look!

Absolutely not. Blue eyes and blond hair made very recent appearances on the world stage after the Ice Age was already over. ANE were facially as far removed from Eastern Eurooeans as it gets, and orders of magnitude darker both in hair and skin pigmentation. Their skin would have been black-brown and their hair would be the darkest, most blue shade of inkish black, blacker than carbon. They would have been darker than this Eskimo:


http://s3.amazonaws.com/isuma.album.large/10._reunion_3_3.jpg

[AphroditeWorshiper]

ANE were not light eyed or light haired, and several other people lived in Ice Ages other than ANE and WHG. The Siberian Denisova hominid has been demonstratee gy genetics science to have had black skin and black hair. Neanderthals had black skin and black hair. Modern day Eskimos live in Ice Age conditions and had black skin and black hair. The predominant evolutionary adaptation to Ice Age conditions has been blwck skin and black hair. This is what cold adaptation looks like:

http://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/m/jmce502n1vjacm5j.jpg?djet1p5k

http://img6.bdbphotos.com/images/orig/j/m/jmce502n1vjacm5j.jpg?djet1p5k

1) Melanesians and Australian Aboriginals blonde hair came from Denisovans!


2) Eskimos have tropical Ancient South Eurasian admixture, this is why they have "dark" features

3) WHGs, ANEs, Neanderthals and Denisovans lived in Ice Age. some of they had Dark hair/eyes and some light hair/eyes.

for example, the red hair is associated with Neanderthals!

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Neanderthal_Chuck_Norris_Wide.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

1) Melanesians and Australian Aboriginals blonde hair came from Denisovans!

There is no evidence of this and all the genefic evidence shows the Denisovans and the Neanderthals were dark skinned and dark haired. Blond hair in Denisovans is a recent regional appearance.



2) Eskimos have tropical Ancient South Eurasian admixture, this is why they have "dark" features

This is wrong, and there is no need to put the word "dark" in quotaion marks, as if the fact were in doubt. Eskmimos are profoundly dark.




3) WHGs, ANEs, Neanderthals and Denisovans lived in Ice Age. some of they had Dark hair/eyes and some light hair/eyes.

for example, the red hair is associated with Neanderthals!

http://images.dailytech.com/nimage/Neanderthal_Chuck_Norris_Wide.jpg

Nobody says any of that. You are wrong and that reconstruction is pigmentationally and anatomically inaccurate trash. Genetics has proven Neanderthals were dark haired and dark skinned.

[Grab the Gauge]

Get up to date on your Neanderthal skin and hair coloration info:

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?184292-Neanderthals-Dark-Skinned


This is what Neanderthals actually looked like:


http://donsmaps.com/images2/neanderthalcaselli.jpg

[sailormoon]

if the East Asians and NorthEast Asians never had mixed with Eastern non African/Ancient South Eurasian people, they would be look like Eastern/Northern European nowadays?

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-CEzHr92V4Bw/UStmi07deuI/AAAAAAAACXk/z-mCZM8O1Qg/s1600/blond-mongol-girl.jpg

https://roddyscottfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/chechen-children-in-pankisi-gorge-georgia-north-caucasus-mountains-people-chechens.jpg?w=300

The ANE admixture is particularly common in the Caucasus region today and East Asians with pure ANE ancestry may look like the Chechens. The blue-eyed Mongolian girl in the OP may have been descended from the ancient Scythians who once occupied Mongolia and she bears a striking resemblance to Yulia Lipnitskaya.


http://i42.woman.ru/womanru/images/gallery/d/f/g_df44b657ba808dff1bdf818171ec41ea_2_478x500.jpg?0 2




http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/Ancient_North_Eurasian_admixture.png
The ANE admixture is particularly common today among North Caucasian and Volga-Ural ethnicities, who live in regions strongly associated with the development of Proto-Indo-European cultures in the Early Bronze Age. Within Europe, the highest percentages of ANE admixture are observed among the Lezgins (26.5%), Chechens (26%), North Ossetians (23.5%) Kumyks (23.5%), and Adyghei (22.5%). Frequencies of over 20% of R1b have been found among the Lezgins, Kumyks and North Ossetians.
http://www.eupedia.com/europe/autosomal_maps_dodecad.shtml

[Grab the Gauge]

https://roddyscottfoundation.files.wordpress.com/2016/06/chechen-children-in-pankisi-gorge-georgia-north-caucasus-mountains-people-chechens.jpg?w=300

The ANE admixture is particularly common in the Caucasus region today and East Asians with pure ANE ancestry may look like the Chechens. The blue-eyed Mongolian girl in the OP may have been descended from the ancient Scythians who once occupied Mongolia and she bears a striking resemblance to Yulia Lipnitskaya.

Every statement contained in this post is wrong.

[Carlito's Way]

ANE were the native americans, get educated bitch as niggas and you white people always claiming everything, ANE were Amerindians, stop being in denial

[Petalpusher]

for example:

Chinese Han people are 88% Ancient South Eurasian and 12% ANE

my point is: if they was just ANE without Ancient South Eurasian, what they look like nowadays?


if the East Asians and NorthEast Asians never had mixed with Eastern non African/Ancient South Eurasian people, they would be look like Eastern/Northern European nowadays?


What you are describing is the Amerindians, ANE + SEA (Han). Han are not ASE, it's Andamanese/Onge and Oceanian Papuans.

[Antimage]

ANE were the native americans, get educated bitch as niggas and you white people always claiming everything, ANE were Amerindians, stop being in denial

how were they amerindians ? Amerindians are roughly half ane, half east asian. ANE is an ancestry component shared by many people

[Grab the Gauge]

Afontova Gora were Mongoloid people:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2n876uv.png

https://books.google.com/books?id=P6UWBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54

Sinodont Mongoloid remains found in Strashnaya Cave dating to the Upper Paleolithic:




Upper Palaeolithic modern Humans
Strashnaya cave
Strashnaya cave, in the northwestern part of the Altai, was originally exca-
vated in 1969–1970 under the direction of A. Okladnikov, with a second cam-
paign undertaken in 1989 by Derevianko and colleagues. Since 2005, the site
has been excavated again by the late A. Zenin.
The stratigraphy of the site is rather complex, with stratigraphic levels 1 and 2
probably dating to the Holocene. Level 3 – from which the gros of the artefacts,
and the hominid derive from – was subdivided into three substrata, 31
, 32
and 33
(The Palaeolitic of Siberia…, 1998).
The lower part of Layer 3 includes a blade-based, Levallois Mousterian of
the Kara-Bom type, while the upper part (31
) contains an Upper Palaeolithic
assemblage. A 14C date of 19150 ± 80 is available for 31
from an ornamented
reindeer bone fragment.
The hominid remains derive from an area near the cave wall, where hori-
zon 3/1 is slightly mixed with older deposits, and thus their attribution to the
Upper Palaeolithic is not completely secure. They consist of 8 teeth probably
belonging to the same individual, about 7–9 years old, and a fragment of the
distal humerus of an adult.
Metrically, most teeth of Strashnaya 1 are well beyond the range of variation
of both recent and Upper Palaeolithic modern humans, and are even at the up-
per limit of the Neanderthal distribution. The only exception is the I2
, the only
tooth that differentiates well metrically between these groups; here Strashnaya
1 is signifi cantly smaller than all Neanderthals. Morphologically, the dentition
preserves several plesiomorphic features, such as the marked anterior fovea on
the M2
, and the complex lingual relief of the Cinf, but typical derived characters
of Neanderthals, such as a midtrigonid crest are missing. The I2
shows shoveling
both lingually and labially, without a marked lingual tubercle. This is very much
unlike the shoveling seen in Neanderthals or in Asian Homo erectus, and more
reminescent of the double shoveling seen in recent North Asians and Native
Americans. Strashnaya 3, from the same horizon, is a very robust adult.

We still know little about the Upper Palaeolithic inhabitants of the region.
The teeth from Strashnaya cave are especially interesting, as they show some
similarities to the Sinodont morphological pattern, seen in present-day North
Asians and Native Americans.

http://archaeology.nsc.ru/ru/about/conferenc/doc/2011_01.pdf

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https://i.imgur.com/ZF0HpUt.png

[Carlito's Way]

how were they amerindians ? Amerindians are roughly half ane, half east asian. ANE is an ancestry component shared by many people

ANE is found the highest among Amerindians, not among white people so white people need to cut the bullshit and stop claiming everything was white looking before X group started to mix
Surui people came out with the highest amount of ANE

does this little hoe look very white to you???
http://www.loe.org/content/2012-09-14/surui-child.gif

[Antimage]

ANE is found the highest among Amerindians, not among white people so white people need to cut the bullshit and stop claiming everything was white looking before X group started to mix
Surui people came out with the highest amount of ANEdiod i claim ane = white ?:picard2:


does this little hoe look very white to you???
http:.d.gif
why are you asking me this question?

Equating ANE with native american (which you did) makes as much sense as equating mexican mestizo with spaniard, i just called you out on that

[AphroditeWorshiper]

If people don't want to believe in my theory... I don't give a fuck

ANEs was Mongoloid look? wtf, absolutely no, they developed this phenotype after the arrived in East Asia, Mongoloids Skulls are the newest type of people, the early ANEs lived with WHGs

East Asia was inhabited by "Australoid look" people with some degree of Denisovan admixture, before the borealized ANEs

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

is ANE high Among North east Russian Aborigine peoples and siberians?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

is ANE high Among North east Russian Aborigine peoples and siberians?

this is a map of ANE in Eurasia

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQdjVCR09QSG52Z0k/view

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

this is a map of ANE in Eurasia

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9o3EYTdM8lQdjVCR09QSG52Z0k/view

Looks like its proto Native DNA. Belonging to the original North Tribes of Russia. Not really European.

The Kets looked mongoloid

https://hague6185.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/800px-35-keti.jpg

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Looks like its proto Native DNA. Belonging to the original North Tribes of Russia. Not really European.

The Kets looked mongoloid

https://hague6185.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/800px-35-keti.jpg

yes, I know

but for example, Kets have some Ancient South Eurasian haplogroups( Ydna C and Mtdna C,Z and D)

my point was if they don't had this admixture, in the purest form, when they lived with the WHGs...

but no one Understand my theory, and the point of the thread. :(

[Petalpusher]

Eurasia in a nutshell

https://s22.postimg.io/r3t6ihz67/Kennewick.png

[johen]

Eurasia in a nutshell

https://s22.postimg.io/r3t6ihz67/Kennewick.png

what kind of people is onge?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

what kind of people is onge?

they are one tribe of the Andamanese people. they are genetically preserved the first people outside Africa, almost 100% Ancient South Eurasian people

[Petalpusher]

what kind of people is onge?

Probably close to what was the first OOA and some broadly East Eurasian influences, giving them that African Asian vibe.

https://www.google.fr/search?q=onge&safe=off&rlz=1C1CHWL_frFR673FR673&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhyueS3IfPAhXEkiwKHRHgBgMQ_AUICCgB&biw=1476&bih=815#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=andamanese

[Ibericus]

Looks like its proto Native DNA. Belonging to the original North Tribes of Russia. Not really European.

The Kets looked mongoloid

https://hague6185.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/800px-35-keti.jpg
Siberians are about 25% ANE and 75% East-Asian.

[johen]

Siberians are about 25% ANE and 75% East-Asian.

right, but ket people have more higher ANE, who are American Indian.

ANE ancestry in Kets can be estimated using various f4-ratios from 27% to 62% (depending on the dataset and reference populations)

https://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1508/1508.03097.pdf

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Siberians are about 25% ANE and 75% East-Asian.

thats a Ket. On the map, the center of the hotspot marked KET.

[Grab the Gauge]

Siberians are about 25% ANE and 75% East-Asian.

Let's stop using these terms as if they were mutually exclusive. East Asian and ANE are one and the same.



Probably close to what was the first OOA and some broadly East Eurasian influences, giving them that African Asian vibe.

https://www.google.fr/search?q=onge&safe=off&rlz=1C1CHWL_frFR673FR673&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjhyueS3IfPAhXEkiwKHRHgBgMQ_AUICCgB&biw=1476&bih=815#safe=off&tbm=isch&q=andamanese

Onge are nothing like the first people outside Africa. These are the skulls of the first people outside Africa:


https://ia600503.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/32/items/stoneageofmountc02join/stoneageofmountc02join_jp2.zip&file=stoneageofmountc02join_jp2/stoneageofmountc02join_0583.jp2&scale=4&rotate=0

https://ia600503.us.archive.org/BookReader/BookReaderImages.php?zip=/32/items/stoneageofmountc02join/stoneageofmountc02join_jp2.zip&file=stoneageofmountc02join_jp2/stoneageofmountc02join_0585.jp2&scale=4&rotate=0


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXpvcy7AZCA


I guarantee you you will never find an Onge or any other African or near African, who looks anything like that.

[Grab the Gauge]

ANE is East Asian admixture in West Eurasia.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Ket peoples origin

https://s17.postimg.io/56zcjnzzz/bandicam_2016_09_11_21_01_40_091.jpg





The Ket are thought to be the only survivors of an ancient nomadic people believed to have originally lived throughout central and southern Siberia. In the 1960s the Yugh people were distinguished as a separate though similar group. Today's Kets are the descendants of the tribes of fishermen and hunters of the Yenisey taiga, who adopted some of the cultural ways of those original Ket-speaking tribes of South Siberia. The earlier tribes engaged in hunting, fishing, and even reindeer breeding in the northern areas.[3]
The Ket were incorporated into the Russian state in the 17th century. Their efforts to resist were futile as the Russians deported them to different places to break up their resistance. This also broke up their strictly organized patriarchal social system and their way of life disintegrated. The Ket people ran up huge debts with the Russians. Some died of famine, others of diseases imported from Europe. By the 19th century the Kets could no longer survive without food support from the Russian state.[4]
In the 20th century, the Soviets forced collectivization upon the Ket. They were officially recognized as Kets in the 1930s when the Soviet Union started to implement the self-definition policy with respect to indigenous peoples. However, Ket traditions continued to be suppressed and self-initiative was discouraged. Collectivization was completed by the 1950s and the Russian lifestyle and language forced upon the Ket people.
The population of Kets has been relatively stable since 1923. According to the 2002 census, there were 1,494 Kets in Russia. This compares with 1,200 in the 1970 census. Today the Ket live in small villages along riversides and are no longer nomadic.

Kets are ANE peoples. Disperse also into Eastern Siberia. So the whole thing about them being siberian so they are not True ANE peoples is false.

KETS
http://ancient-tides.blogspot.com/2010/07/linguists-find-ancient-language-links.html

The work of Western Washington University linguistics professor Edward Vajda with the isolated Ket people of Central Siberia is revealing more and more examples of an ancient language connection with the language family of Na-Dene, which includes Tlingit, Gwich'in, Dena'ina, Koyukon, Navajo, Carrier, Hupa, Apache and about 45 other languages.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6K4an3_7Kkk/TDadcDiNdXI/AAAAAAAACZQ/8-IPDnTWi6E/s1600/Na+Dene.jpg


https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/8b/11/5c/8b115c58ef25aff3f7db84db576d7dde.jpg

[Grab the Gauge]

Kets are ANE peoples. Disperse also into Eastern Siberia. So the whole thing about them being siberian so they are not True ANE peoples is false.



Don't even entertain these plebians' false dichotomies and delusions. ANE dispersed in to Siberia from Southeast Asia. It has nothing whatever to do with an Easterly migration from the West.

http://donsmaps.com/malta.html




http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltahermitageplateback.jpg
Plate with a hole in the centre.

Mammoth tusk; carved, polished and engraved. 138 x 81 mm.
Malta Site (excavations by M.M. Gerasimov, 1928-1930), Siberia, the River Belaya, near Irkutsk, Russia
Maltinsko-buretskaya Culture. 23 000 - 19 000 BP


On one side of the plate we can see three snakes. The snake is rare in northern hemisphere Paleolithic art, presumably because the cold conditions precluded a wide distribution of snakes. In addition, it can be seen that the snakes have very broad heads, as though they belong to the Cobra group - yet Cobras are now known only in southern asian localities.

king cobra distribution
http://donsmaps.com/images24/cobradistributionmap.jpg
As an example, here is the present distribution of the King Cobra

[AphroditeWorshiper]

ANE is East Asian admixture in West Eurasia.

one word... No

please Sir, come on

ANE have similar origin with WHG, East Asian phenotype is a new phenotype

Australoids dominated the East Asia, before ANEs.

Jomon people are the proof

[Grab the Gauge]

one word... No

please Sir, come on

ANE have similar origin with WHG, East Asian phenotype is a new phenotype

Australoids dominated the East Asia, before ANEs.

Jomon people are the proof

You are utterly wrong. Every statement contained in this post is completely wrong. You are referred to post #45 on page 5 of this thread and I do strongly encourage you to read it several times over.


Afontova Gora were Mongoloid people:

http://i43.tinypic.com/2n876uv.png

https://books.google.com/books?id=P6UWBQAAQBAJ&pg=PA54&lpg=PA54

Sinodont Mongoloid remains found in Strashnaya Cave dating to the Upper Paleolithic:


Upper Palaeolithic modern Humans
Strashnaya cave
Strashnaya cave, in the northwestern part of the Altai, was originally exca-
vated in 1969–1970 under the direction of A. Okladnikov, with a second cam-
paign undertaken in 1989 by Derevianko and colleagues. Since 2005, the site
has been excavated again by the late A. Zenin.
The stratigraphy of the site is rather complex, with stratigraphic levels 1 and 2
probably dating to the Holocene. Level 3 – from which the gros of the artefacts,
and the hominid derive from – was subdivided into three substrata, 31
, 32
and 33
(The Palaeolitic of Siberia…, 1998).
The lower part of Layer 3 includes a blade-based, Levallois Mousterian of
the Kara-Bom type, while the upper part (31
) contains an Upper Palaeolithic
assemblage. A 14C date of 19150 ± 80 is available for 31
from an ornamented
reindeer bone fragment.
The hominid remains derive from an area near the cave wall, where hori-
zon 3/1 is slightly mixed with older deposits, and thus their attribution to the
Upper Palaeolithic is not completely secure. They consist of 8 teeth probably
belonging to the same individual, about 7–9 years old, and a fragment of the
distal humerus of an adult.
Metrically, most teeth of Strashnaya 1 are well beyond the range of variation
of both recent and Upper Palaeolithic modern humans, and are even at the up-
per limit of the Neanderthal distribution. The only exception is the I2
, the only
tooth that differentiates well metrically between these groups; here Strashnaya
1 is signifi cantly smaller than all Neanderthals. Morphologically, the dentition
preserves several plesiomorphic features, such as the marked anterior fovea on
the M2
, and the complex lingual relief of the Cinf, but typical derived characters
of Neanderthals, such as a midtrigonid crest are missing. The I2
shows shoveling
both lingually and labially, without a marked lingual tubercle. This is very much
unlike the shoveling seen in Neanderthals or in Asian Homo erectus, and more
reminescent of the double shoveling seen in recent North Asians and Native
Americans. Strashnaya 3, from the same horizon, is a very robust adult.

We still know little about the Upper Palaeolithic inhabitants of the region.
The teeth from Strashnaya cave are especially interesting, as they show some
similarities to the Sinodont morphological pattern, seen in present-day North
Asians and Native Americans.

http://archaeology.nsc.ru/ru/about/conferenc/doc/2011_01.pdf

[AphroditeWorshiper]

ok, I give up. my theory is a bullshit

"Grab the Gauge" win

[Grab the Gauge]

The Mal'ta-Buret and related figurines display East Asian Mongoloid facial and bodily characteristics that are totally opposed to the main physical type that existed in West Eurasia, among the WHG. This is totally undebatable. Anthropology literature specifically describes these objects as depictions of Mongoloids, on no uncertain terms. This is what the ANE looked like.


http://www.hermitagemuseum.org/wps/wcm/connect/3ced0bc3-ea3a-442a-aec9-9dd588d8f63a/WOA_IMAGE_1.jpg?MOD=AJPERES&CACHEID=1f88a732-fe57-4469-96fc-f710271175f8

http://donsmaps.com/images24/maltaj2.jpg