Wrong
09-09-2016, 09:04 PM
http://j2-m172.info/2015/04/three-j2-found-at-merovingian-buriel-site-roman-frankish-transitional-period/
Robert: The people found was buried at a Merovingian buriel site in Borgharen in the Dutch province of Limburg, they were wealthy and buried with locals. Artifacts found in the graves are consistent with the Roman-Frankish transitional period. Late Roman to early Middle Ages.
Individual N15 J2a1b-M67 99%. Individual N20 J2b-M102 100% (probably M241). N18 possibly is J2a(a1b1-M92) when comparing to Ysearch database (done by Irakli).
Robert: Jewish and/or Levantine connections are not mentioned in the dutch documents. Clues to their origins are the artifacts found in the graves: late Roman early Merovingian pottery, Venus Aphrodite hangers, Avar like horse equipment that seems to be found in Europe along the Danube and Rhine, a lot of weaponry, Roman/Byzantine glass beads comparable to modern day Turkish ones, seashells from the Mediterranean, Red Sea and Indian ocean used for Apotropaeon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotropaic_magic)). The paper also mentions one site at Daalderveld and the one at Paesestraat. The first one seems to be a site for foreigner and the latter one seems to be a site for locals. The J2’s are found in the local area. The paper mentions that these people including individual 15 (J2a1b) come from an area geographically similar to Southern Limburg and that ultimately their family-line may go back to outside Europe. But at the time they were considered locals. They also mention that these people were from areas in the Netherlands know as “dekzand gebieden”. This is interesting since my family-line traces back to such a region called in roman times Sablones which means Sand in Latin. They also found non local horse remains who were given a warriors grave/ending with a sword stab through the hearth. The earliest found artifacts from the site are from 3400 B.C to 2500 B.C, on top of that a Roman Villa was build, in the rubble-field of the Roman Villa the grave field was created (4th-6th cent. A.D). There is evidence that the site was continually inhabited from the Roman Villa era to the grave field construction. After the Merovingian period in the Karolingian period they stopped using the site.
The researchers state that the positioning of the burial field right on the main building of the Roman complex is meaningful, for instance to make a claim of ownership on the land considered to be from their ancestors through a claim of ancestry of the previous inhabitants (in this case Romans).
Charlemagnes remains would have been interesting.
Robert: The people found was buried at a Merovingian buriel site in Borgharen in the Dutch province of Limburg, they were wealthy and buried with locals. Artifacts found in the graves are consistent with the Roman-Frankish transitional period. Late Roman to early Middle Ages.
Individual N15 J2a1b-M67 99%. Individual N20 J2b-M102 100% (probably M241). N18 possibly is J2a(a1b1-M92) when comparing to Ysearch database (done by Irakli).
Robert: Jewish and/or Levantine connections are not mentioned in the dutch documents. Clues to their origins are the artifacts found in the graves: late Roman early Merovingian pottery, Venus Aphrodite hangers, Avar like horse equipment that seems to be found in Europe along the Danube and Rhine, a lot of weaponry, Roman/Byzantine glass beads comparable to modern day Turkish ones, seashells from the Mediterranean, Red Sea and Indian ocean used for Apotropaeon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apotropaic_magic)). The paper also mentions one site at Daalderveld and the one at Paesestraat. The first one seems to be a site for foreigner and the latter one seems to be a site for locals. The J2’s are found in the local area. The paper mentions that these people including individual 15 (J2a1b) come from an area geographically similar to Southern Limburg and that ultimately their family-line may go back to outside Europe. But at the time they were considered locals. They also mention that these people were from areas in the Netherlands know as “dekzand gebieden”. This is interesting since my family-line traces back to such a region called in roman times Sablones which means Sand in Latin. They also found non local horse remains who were given a warriors grave/ending with a sword stab through the hearth. The earliest found artifacts from the site are from 3400 B.C to 2500 B.C, on top of that a Roman Villa was build, in the rubble-field of the Roman Villa the grave field was created (4th-6th cent. A.D). There is evidence that the site was continually inhabited from the Roman Villa era to the grave field construction. After the Merovingian period in the Karolingian period they stopped using the site.
The researchers state that the positioning of the burial field right on the main building of the Roman complex is meaningful, for instance to make a claim of ownership on the land considered to be from their ancestors through a claim of ancestry of the previous inhabitants (in this case Romans).
Charlemagnes remains would have been interesting.