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09-10-2016, 12:31 PM
My known ancestry is:
50% supposedly American and North-European (American because my hypothetical progenitor seems to have some SSA admixture)
37,5% Tunisian
12,5% Sudanese
MY CLOSEST ORACLE RESULTS (ONLY ORACLES WITHOUT ANCIENT POPULATIONS INCLUDED AND WITH GENETIC DISTANCE <3 AND WERE KEPT) :
1 Jew_France + Moroccan + CEU + Ukrainian-Center @ 0.927030 MDLP World
1 50% Icelandic +25% Libyan_Jew +25% Tunisian @ 2.518153 MDLP K23b
1 Algerian + BedouinA + British + Norwegian_West @ 2.072077 MDLP K23b
1 50% German-North +25% Jew_Italia +25% Moroccan @ 1.626955 MDLP World-22
1 Ashkenazim_V + Bulgarian + Moroccan + Swedish_V @ 1.338454 MDLP World-22
1 CEU + Morocco_Jews + Swedish + Sahara_OCC @ 1.618438 DODECAD V3
1 Orcadian + Moroccans + Morocco_Jews + Orkney @ 0.786353 DODECAD WORLD 9
1 Egyptans + Irish + Lithuanians + Moroccan @ 1.245447 DODECAD K7B
1 Algerian + British_Isles + Egyptans + Norwegian @ 2.582850 DODECAD K12B
1 morocco-jew + orcadian + saharawi + ukranian @ 1.484872 HARAPPA
1 Scottish_West + Ukrainian + Tunisian + Egyptian @ 1.474127 puntDNAL K10 Ancient
1 50% Dutch_North +25% Egyptian +25% Tunisian @ 1.878823 puntDNAL K12 Modern
1 BedouinA + German_North + Scottish_West + Tunisian @ 1.355784 puntDNAL K12 Modern
1 Belarusian + Austrian + Ashkenazy_Jew + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.520722 puntDNAL K15
1 Maltese + Russian + Spanish + Yemen @ 2.900741 GEDROSIA Eurasia K11 CHG-NAF
1 50% BedouinA +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.254189 Gedrosia K3
1 50% Armenian +25% Saudi +25% Yemen @ 0.000000 Gedrosia K3
1 French_South + Norwegian + Turkish + Yemen @ 2.734444 Gedrosia K11
If we put aside my Gedrosia K3 oracle results, my closest oracle for me is Jew_France + Moroccan + CEU + Ukrainian-Center and this presupposes that my 75% Tunisian 25% Sudanese mix on my maternal side does equate a 50% Jew-France + 50% Moroccan mix, which does not make much sense.
Hence, I started thinking that my maternal grand-mother side, could be an atypical Tunisian leaning more toward Western Asia and South Europe, and that hints to a possible Turkish background since eastern coastal central Tunisia is famous for its big number of Turkish families .(I ruled out Morisco ancestry because of Moriscos have inhabited northern Tunisia and not Central Tunisia and also Jew ancestry because Muslims did not marry Jews)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Tunisia
Turks in Tunisia
Total population
(500,000[1] - 2,400,000[2][3]
20%[2] to as much as 25% of Tunisia's population is of Turkish origin[4])
Regions with significant populations
Mahdia ·
Tunis ·
Cap Bon
Languages
Turkish ·
Arabic ·
French
Religion
Sunni Islam
The Turks in Tunisia, also known as Turco-Tunisians[5] and Tunisian Turks,[6] (Arabic: أتراك تونس French: Turcs de Tunisie Turkish: Tunus Türkleri) are the ethnic Turks who constitute a minority group in Tunisia.[7] In 1534, with about 10,000 Turkish soldiers, the Ottoman Empire took control and settled in the region when Tunisia's inhabitants called for help due to fears that the Spanish would invade the country.[8] Thus, during the Ottoman rule, the Turks colonized and dominated the political life of the region for centuries; as a result, the ethnic mix of Tunisia changed with the migration of Turks from Anatolia and the evolvement of the "Kouloughlis" who are people of mixed Turkish and central Maghrebi blood.[9][10][11]
Religion[edit]
The Ottoman Turks brought with them the teaching of the Hanafi School of Islam during the Ottoman rule of Tunisia which still survives among the Turkish descended families today.[14] Traditionally, Turco-Tunisian mosques have octagonal minarets.[14] Examples of Ottoman-Turkish mosques include:
Notable people[edit]
The Turks in Tunisia were traditionally a privileged élite in Tunisia who held positions in the military and the bureaucracy.[15] However, by the nineteenth century, marriages with the local population linked the ruling families to indigenous notables. At this time, many Turks also turned to commerce and the crafts, initially in the Souq el-Trouk (the Bazaar of the Turks), where a considerable number of merchants of Turkish ancestry emerged. The Turks also entered the corps of artisans.[15] The Ben Romdhan family, who are of Turkish origin, claim much of the notable Tunisian families of Mahdia such as the Hamza, Turki, Gazdagli, Agha, and Snène families.[16] Other prominent Tunisian families of Turkish origin include the Bayram's, Belkhodja's, El Materi's, Sfar's, Osman's and the Slim's.
Ahmed Abdelkefi, economist[17]
fr:Hassan Hosni Abdelwaheb, historian
Mahmoud Aslan, writer[18]
fr:Saloua Tarzi Ben Attia, politician
Al-Husayn I ibn Ali at-Turki, founder of the Husainid Dynasty[19]
Mohamed Salah Baratli, militant to the French occupation, opponent to the President Bourguiba and human rights activist.
fr:Ahmed Bayram, religious cleric
fr:M'hammed Bayram, religious cleric
fr:Mohamed Bayram V, intellectual
fr:Mohamed Taieb Bayram, religious cleric
fr:Ahmed Belkhodja, religious cleric[20]
Asma Belkhodja, pioneer of the Tunisian feminist movement[21]
fr:M'hammed Belkhodja, politician[22]
Ali Bach Hamba, journalist and politician[23]
Mohamed Bach Hamba, writer[24]
Mahmoud Ben Mahmoud, filmmaker[25]
Yasemin Besson, wife of Éric Besson[26]
Lotfi Bouchnak, musician[27]
Hassen Bouhajeb, doctor[28]
fr:Mahmoud Bourguiba, journalist
Ahmed Chérif, doctor[28]
fr:Béchir Dinguizli, doctor[28]
Mustapha Dinguizli, politician[29]
Ali Douagi, literary and cultural icon[30][31]
Abderrahman Dziri, medical researcher[32]
Mustafa Elkatipzade, Fenerbahçe football manager
Nazli Fadhel, pioneer of the Tunisian feminist movement[33]
Sadok Ghileb, politician[34]
fr:Fadhila Khetmi, theatre director
Mohamed Lahbib, pioneer of theater and television in Tunisia[35]
Mahmoud El Materi, physician and politician[36]
Moncef El Materi, former soldier and businessman[36]
Sakher El Materi, businessman[36]
Tahar El Materi, businessman[36]
fr:Habib Osman, photographer
fr:Mustapha Osman, artist
Chafia Rochdi, singer and actress[37][38]
Hichem Rostom, actor[39]
Mourad Salem, artist[40]
Rachid Sfar, former prime minister[41]
Mongi Slim, nationalist leader and Minister[42]
fr:Mustapha Kamel Tarzi, diplomat
Najiya Thamir, writer and radio producer[43][44]
Hedi Turki, painter[6][45]
Yahia Turki, painter[46]
Zoubeir Turki, painter[47]
fr:Abdeljelil Zaouch, Minister of Justice (1936–1943)[28]
fr:Sadok Zmerli, professor[22]
50% supposedly American and North-European (American because my hypothetical progenitor seems to have some SSA admixture)
37,5% Tunisian
12,5% Sudanese
MY CLOSEST ORACLE RESULTS (ONLY ORACLES WITHOUT ANCIENT POPULATIONS INCLUDED AND WITH GENETIC DISTANCE <3 AND WERE KEPT) :
1 Jew_France + Moroccan + CEU + Ukrainian-Center @ 0.927030 MDLP World
1 50% Icelandic +25% Libyan_Jew +25% Tunisian @ 2.518153 MDLP K23b
1 Algerian + BedouinA + British + Norwegian_West @ 2.072077 MDLP K23b
1 50% German-North +25% Jew_Italia +25% Moroccan @ 1.626955 MDLP World-22
1 Ashkenazim_V + Bulgarian + Moroccan + Swedish_V @ 1.338454 MDLP World-22
1 CEU + Morocco_Jews + Swedish + Sahara_OCC @ 1.618438 DODECAD V3
1 Orcadian + Moroccans + Morocco_Jews + Orkney @ 0.786353 DODECAD WORLD 9
1 Egyptans + Irish + Lithuanians + Moroccan @ 1.245447 DODECAD K7B
1 Algerian + British_Isles + Egyptans + Norwegian @ 2.582850 DODECAD K12B
1 morocco-jew + orcadian + saharawi + ukranian @ 1.484872 HARAPPA
1 Scottish_West + Ukrainian + Tunisian + Egyptian @ 1.474127 puntDNAL K10 Ancient
1 50% Dutch_North +25% Egyptian +25% Tunisian @ 1.878823 puntDNAL K12 Modern
1 BedouinA + German_North + Scottish_West + Tunisian @ 1.355784 puntDNAL K12 Modern
1 Belarusian + Austrian + Ashkenazy_Jew + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.520722 puntDNAL K15
1 Maltese + Russian + Spanish + Yemen @ 2.900741 GEDROSIA Eurasia K11 CHG-NAF
1 50% BedouinA +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.254189 Gedrosia K3
1 50% Armenian +25% Saudi +25% Yemen @ 0.000000 Gedrosia K3
1 French_South + Norwegian + Turkish + Yemen @ 2.734444 Gedrosia K11
If we put aside my Gedrosia K3 oracle results, my closest oracle for me is Jew_France + Moroccan + CEU + Ukrainian-Center and this presupposes that my 75% Tunisian 25% Sudanese mix on my maternal side does equate a 50% Jew-France + 50% Moroccan mix, which does not make much sense.
Hence, I started thinking that my maternal grand-mother side, could be an atypical Tunisian leaning more toward Western Asia and South Europe, and that hints to a possible Turkish background since eastern coastal central Tunisia is famous for its big number of Turkish families .(I ruled out Morisco ancestry because of Moriscos have inhabited northern Tunisia and not Central Tunisia and also Jew ancestry because Muslims did not marry Jews)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turks_in_Tunisia
Turks in Tunisia
Total population
(500,000[1] - 2,400,000[2][3]
20%[2] to as much as 25% of Tunisia's population is of Turkish origin[4])
Regions with significant populations
Mahdia ·
Tunis ·
Cap Bon
Languages
Turkish ·
Arabic ·
French
Religion
Sunni Islam
The Turks in Tunisia, also known as Turco-Tunisians[5] and Tunisian Turks,[6] (Arabic: أتراك تونس French: Turcs de Tunisie Turkish: Tunus Türkleri) are the ethnic Turks who constitute a minority group in Tunisia.[7] In 1534, with about 10,000 Turkish soldiers, the Ottoman Empire took control and settled in the region when Tunisia's inhabitants called for help due to fears that the Spanish would invade the country.[8] Thus, during the Ottoman rule, the Turks colonized and dominated the political life of the region for centuries; as a result, the ethnic mix of Tunisia changed with the migration of Turks from Anatolia and the evolvement of the "Kouloughlis" who are people of mixed Turkish and central Maghrebi blood.[9][10][11]
Religion[edit]
The Ottoman Turks brought with them the teaching of the Hanafi School of Islam during the Ottoman rule of Tunisia which still survives among the Turkish descended families today.[14] Traditionally, Turco-Tunisian mosques have octagonal minarets.[14] Examples of Ottoman-Turkish mosques include:
Notable people[edit]
The Turks in Tunisia were traditionally a privileged élite in Tunisia who held positions in the military and the bureaucracy.[15] However, by the nineteenth century, marriages with the local population linked the ruling families to indigenous notables. At this time, many Turks also turned to commerce and the crafts, initially in the Souq el-Trouk (the Bazaar of the Turks), where a considerable number of merchants of Turkish ancestry emerged. The Turks also entered the corps of artisans.[15] The Ben Romdhan family, who are of Turkish origin, claim much of the notable Tunisian families of Mahdia such as the Hamza, Turki, Gazdagli, Agha, and Snène families.[16] Other prominent Tunisian families of Turkish origin include the Bayram's, Belkhodja's, El Materi's, Sfar's, Osman's and the Slim's.
Ahmed Abdelkefi, economist[17]
fr:Hassan Hosni Abdelwaheb, historian
Mahmoud Aslan, writer[18]
fr:Saloua Tarzi Ben Attia, politician
Al-Husayn I ibn Ali at-Turki, founder of the Husainid Dynasty[19]
Mohamed Salah Baratli, militant to the French occupation, opponent to the President Bourguiba and human rights activist.
fr:Ahmed Bayram, religious cleric
fr:M'hammed Bayram, religious cleric
fr:Mohamed Bayram V, intellectual
fr:Mohamed Taieb Bayram, religious cleric
fr:Ahmed Belkhodja, religious cleric[20]
Asma Belkhodja, pioneer of the Tunisian feminist movement[21]
fr:M'hammed Belkhodja, politician[22]
Ali Bach Hamba, journalist and politician[23]
Mohamed Bach Hamba, writer[24]
Mahmoud Ben Mahmoud, filmmaker[25]
Yasemin Besson, wife of Éric Besson[26]
Lotfi Bouchnak, musician[27]
Hassen Bouhajeb, doctor[28]
fr:Mahmoud Bourguiba, journalist
Ahmed Chérif, doctor[28]
fr:Béchir Dinguizli, doctor[28]
Mustapha Dinguizli, politician[29]
Ali Douagi, literary and cultural icon[30][31]
Abderrahman Dziri, medical researcher[32]
Mustafa Elkatipzade, Fenerbahçe football manager
Nazli Fadhel, pioneer of the Tunisian feminist movement[33]
Sadok Ghileb, politician[34]
fr:Fadhila Khetmi, theatre director
Mohamed Lahbib, pioneer of theater and television in Tunisia[35]
Mahmoud El Materi, physician and politician[36]
Moncef El Materi, former soldier and businessman[36]
Sakher El Materi, businessman[36]
Tahar El Materi, businessman[36]
fr:Habib Osman, photographer
fr:Mustapha Osman, artist
Chafia Rochdi, singer and actress[37][38]
Hichem Rostom, actor[39]
Mourad Salem, artist[40]
Rachid Sfar, former prime minister[41]
Mongi Slim, nationalist leader and Minister[42]
fr:Mustapha Kamel Tarzi, diplomat
Najiya Thamir, writer and radio producer[43][44]
Hedi Turki, painter[6][45]
Yahia Turki, painter[46]
Zoubeir Turki, painter[47]
fr:Abdeljelil Zaouch, Minister of Justice (1936–1943)[28]
fr:Sadok Zmerli, professor[22]