Classify the Otavalo people

[CrazyDaisy]

Do you think they look purely Andid or do they seem part centralid? Do you think they're a bit European? To me they look about half and half. Probably because they're from the north.
http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get2/I0000DU6FFGem0_4/fit=1000x750/ECU-6941.jpg
http://www.pro-ecuador.com/images/otavalo-market-10.jpg
http://www.latintrails.com/uploads/1a/ca/1aca87e6c361372b0201c10ea3bba77a/Otavalo-Market-people.jpg
http://public.media.smithsonianmag.com/legacy_blog/asi-kotama.jpg
http://www.neovoyage.com/images/fullres/ecuador08.jpg

[RMuller]

They look more Centralid

[CrazyDaisy]

They look more Centralid

The woman on the first picture does have Andid eyes though.

[Spyy]

the first one reminds me someone

[CrazyDaisy]

the first one reminds me someone

Who?

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Native Americans look clearly mixed with Caucasoid

I disagree with "Grab the Gauge" who says that Native Americans are pure Mongoloid

[CrazyDaisy]

Native Americans look clearly mixed with Caucasoid

I disagree with "Grab the Gauge" who says that Native Americans are pure Mongoloid

They might be part Spanish. Some of them seem kind of light skinned.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

They might be part Spanish. Some of them seem kind of light skinned.

No, their Caucasoid admixture is much more oldest

they are mixed with some group of people similar with WHGs

[CrazyDaisy]

No, their Caucasoid admixture is much more oldest

they are mixed with some group of people similar with WHGs

Is it just me or do they seem more caucasoid than North American natives? I've always thought Ecuadorian natives had a caucasoid look to them.

[RMuller]

They might be part Spanish. Some of them seem kind of light skinned.

Amerindians can have 1%-25% Spanish depending on the Amerindian group.

[RMuller]

How about the Chibchas of Ecuador.

[AphroditeWorshiper]

Is it just me or do they seem more caucasoid than North American natives? I've always thought Ecuadorian natives had a caucasoid look to them.

yeah, North American natives have a recent admixture from East Asia, especially Eskimos, they look more Mongoloid

[RMuller]

yeah, North American natives have a recent admixture from East Asia, especially Eskimos, they look more Mongoloid

You mean the Navajos ?

[CrazyDaisy]

How about the Chibchas of Ecuador.

Aren't they mainly Colombian?
This Chibcha girl has suspiciously light eyes
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/24/d5/dd/24d5dd3c5e9381a61b6788518ce86a9e.jpg

[AphroditeWorshiper]

You mean the Navajos ?

they are one of these people, yeah

[RMuller]

Aren't they mainly Colombian?p

Im not sure i thought they are in Ecuador to.


This Chibcha girl has suspiciously light eyes
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/24/d5/dd/24d5dd3c5e9381a61b6788518ce86a9e.jpg

I thought she was Brazilid.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

They might be part Spanish. Some of them seem kind of light skinned.

:rofl_002:

[CrazyDaisy]

Im not sure i thought they are in Ecuador to.



I thought she was Brazilid.

Maybe the Chibchas are Brazilid. They definitely don't look Andid to me. Ecuador does have a few Brazilid tribes.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Aren't they mainly Colombian?
This Chibcha girl has suspiciously light eyes
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/564x/24/d5/dd/24d5dd3c5e9381a61b6788518ce86a9e.jpg

I dont think shes colombian.
Brazilian Native:
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A9W5XE/indian-woman-from-the-dessanos-tribe-rio-taruma-amazon-state-brazil-A9W5XE.jpg

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-indian-woman-from-the-dessanos-tribe-rio-taruma-amazon-state-brazil-7109997.html

[CrazyDaisy]

I dont think shes colombian.
Brazilian Native:
http://c8.alamy.com/comp/A9W5XE/indian-woman-from-the-dessanos-tribe-rio-taruma-amazon-state-brazil-A9W5XE.jpg

http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-indian-woman-from-the-dessanos-tribe-rio-taruma-amazon-state-brazil-7109997.html
Ecuador definitely has Brazilid types.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/91/eb/e3/91ebe3892af6ff7d14bdd9779ac439da.jpg

[RMuller]

Maybe the Chibchas are Brazilid. They definitely don't look Andid to me. Ecuador does have a few Brazilid tribes.

Chibchas live in high altitude so i don't think they are Brazilid.

I believe the Jivaros that shrink heads are Brazilid

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Ecuador definitely has Brazilid types.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/91/eb/e3/91ebe3892af6ff7d14bdd9779ac439da.jpg
They look nothing alike.
really. She looks more like a mexican native than a brazilid.

brazilian Native
https://66.media.tumblr.com/c2256c2953c12a49e18380d076273eb7/tumblr_npnr00klkC1sq9drqo1_500.jpg

[RMuller]

Ecuador definitely has Brazilid types.
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/91/eb/e3/91ebe3892af6ff7d14bdd9779ac439da.jpg

Peru,Colombia,Venezuela and the Guyanas have Brazilids.

[CrazyDaisy]

They look nothing alike.
really. She looks more like a mexican native than a brazilid.
She's an Amazonian native. Do these Amazonian Ecuadorians look Mexican to you?
https://www.culturalsurvival.org/sites/default/files/styles/main_image_full_width/public/images/_mg_3953.jpg?itok=BhsWwPpG
https://www.pachamama.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Familia-de-Sarayaku_550.jpg
http://exploregram.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/Deep-in-Ecuadors-Amazon-rainforest-live-the-Kichwa-people-of-Sarayaku.-Their-name-means-pueblo-del-m.jpg

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

yea that women you posted is a quechan. Her peoples are Kichwa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kichwa_language

Thats why she doesnt look like a brazilid.

[CrazyDaisy]

yea that women you posted is a quechan. Her peoples are Kichwa
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kichwa_language

Thats why she doesnt look like a brazilid.
They're in the Amazon. I've visited the Amazon myself. Several tribes in Ecuador are Quechua/Kichwa speakers. It doesn't mean they'll all look Andid or Peruvian.

[crazyladybutterfly]

Native Americans look clearly mixed with Caucasoid

I disagree with "Grab the Gauge" who says that Native Americans are pure Mongoloid

it has proved scientifically. they have some mesolithic caucasoid ancestors

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

They're in the Amazon. I've visited the Amazon myself.

They dont look like brazilids

They look similar to columbian natives though

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

it has proved scientifically. they have some mesolithic caucasoid ancestors

They arent caucasoid. Even ANE people looked more mongoloid. Look at the kets. They dont look European.

https://hague6185.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/800px-35-keti.jpg

[CrazyDaisy]

They arent caucasoid. Even ANE people looked more mongoloid. Look at the kets. They dont look European.

https://hague6185.files.wordpress.com/2013/09/800px-35-keti.jpg
Pure native Americans are mainly mongoloid, but they do score some Caucasoid on DNA tests.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

Pure native Americans are mainly mongoloid, but they do score some Caucasoid on DNA tests.

Its mostly minor though. They are basically Mongoloid stock. If you look at the tree they branch off East asians in Admixture PCA plots

[CrazyDaisy]

Its mostly minor though. They are basically Mongoloid stock. If you look at the tree they branch off East asians in Admixture PCA plots

On admixture tests that don't have Native American on them, I tend to score 17% East Asian. I generally score 27-30% Native American. I think that's pretty significant Caucasian admixture.

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

On admixture tests that don't have Native American on them, I tend to score 17% East Asian. I generally score 27-30% Native American. I think that's pretty significant Caucasian admixture.
Because its native. They lack Native American population reference samples. In FTDNA it thinks I am 16 percent native and about 7 percent Asian. But I am really about 23-25% native American in other DNA test. Even on Gedmatch with the same FTDNA kit I score 23-26 Native on gedmatch

You get East asian because since they lack Native Samples the closest peoples are mongoloids Not caucasians. Like KETs who are ANE and originally of predominant Mongoloid Stock
https://dna-explained.com/2014/09/23/analyzing-the-native-american-clovis-anzick-ancient-results/

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzick-1


Anzick-1 is the name given to the remains of Paleo-Indian male infant found in western Montana, U.S. in 1968 that date to 12,707–12,556 years BP.[1] The child was found with over 115 tools made of stone and antlers and dusted with red ocher, suggesting an honorary burial.[2] Anzick-1 is the only human that has been discovered from the Clovis Complex, and is the first ancient Native American genome to be fully sequenced.[3]
Paleogenomic analysis of the remains revealed Siberian ancestry and a close genetic relationship to modern Native Americans.[1][3] These findings support the hypothesis that modern Native Americans are descended from Asian populations who crossed Beringia between 32,000 and 18,000 years ago.[1][3]
Anzick-1's discovery and subsequent analysis is controversial because although the researchers did not violate the Native American Graves Protection and Repatriation Act (NAGPRA), many Montana tribal members believe they should have been consulted before the analysis of the infant's skeleton and genome.[4]
Anzick-1 was reburied on June 28, 2014 in the Shields River Valley in an intertribal ceremony.[2] The artifacts associated with the first burial are archived at the Montana Historical Society in Helena, Montana.[2]


Human nuclear DNA is located inside the nucleus of every cell and makes up the human genome.[11] Humans inherit half of their nuclear DNA from their mother and half from their father.[11] Throughout human evolution, mutations occur that are inherited in each subsequent generation.[11] Different populations have different frequencies of these mutations, and population histories can be ascertained from these mutations by comparing the mutations of one individual to other genomes from specific ethnic groups.[11] The genome of Anzick-1 was sequenced and analyzed to look for specific mutations that might shed light on the population history of modern Native Americans.[1] Anzick-1's genome was compared to over 50 Native American genomes for comparison, and researchers found that it was significantly more similar to these Native American genomes than to any modern Eurasian population.[1] Interestingly, however, Anzick-1's genome was closer to 44 Native American populations from Central and South America than with 7 Native American populations from North America.[1]

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

My mothers Ged match results
Shes 38 percent native on Ancestry

puntDNAL K10 Ancient Admixture Proportions

Sub-Saharan 11.37
Oceanian 2.04
Beringian 0.97
ENF 22.45
CHG 8.44
Siberian 0.84
E_Asian 0.74
WHG 17.51
Amerindian 35.64

Amerindian 35.64
Siberian 0.84
E_Asian 0.74
Beringian 0.97
=38.19

38.19 +2.04 (ocean)= 40.23


Eurogenes_ANE K7 Admixture Proportions


Population
ANE 15.65
ASE 1.74
WHG-UHG 27.39
East_Eurasian 23.22
West_African 2.36
East_African 11.41
ENF 18.23

East_Eurasian 23.22+
ANE 15.65+
ASE 1.74
=40.6%


Ancient Eurasia K6 Oracle results:

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 East_Asian 27.84
2 Natufian 23.05
3 West_European_Hunter_Gartherer 20.54
4 Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.95
5 Sub_Saharan 12.37
6 Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.25


East_Asian 27.84
Ancestral_North_Eurasian 14.95
Ancestral_South_Eurasian 1.25=
44.04%


Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Turkmen 19.21
2 Uzbek 20.02
3 Steppe_IA 27.13
4 Uygur 28.23
5 Hazara 28.61
6 GoyetQ116 29.07
7 Tajik 30.46
8 Russian 33.28
9 Balkar 34.37
10 Finnish 34.69
11 Turkish 35.8
12 Pashtun_Afghan 36.56
13 Algerian 36.81
14 Moroccan 37.24
15 Kumyk 37.27
16 Burusho 37.56
17 Bulgarian 37.85
18 Steppe_MLBA 38.04
19 Libyan 38.29
20 Romanian 38.29

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 54.9% Algerian + 45.1% Clovis @ 5.75
2 57.5% Algerian + 42.5% Pima @ 6.34
3 53% Saharawi + 47% Clovis @ 7.08
4 54.6% Moroccan + 45.4% Clovis @ 7.33
5 57.3% Moroccan + 42.7% Pima @ 7.6
6 55.7% Saharawi + 44.3% Pima @ 7.97
7 55.9% Moroccan + 44.1% Altaian @ 9.54
8 56.2% Algerian + 43.8% Altaian @ 9.56
9 57.6% Uygur + 42.4% Moroccan @ 9.81
10 57.3% Uygur + 42.7% Algerian @ 9.82
11 53.3% Moroccan + 46.7% Kyrgyz @ 9.87
12 53.6% Algerian + 46.4% Kyrgyz @ 9.97
13 63.3% Algerian + 36.7% Eskimo @ 10.07
14 57% Hazara + 43% Algerian @ 10.14
15 57.3% Hazara + 42.7% Moroccan @ 10.16
16 59.4% Uygur + 40.6% Saharawi @ 10.53
17 54% Libyan + 46% Clovis @ 10.59
18 67.8% Uzbek + 32.2% Moroccan @ 10.61
19 63.1% Moroccan + 36.9% Eskimo @ 10.72
20 67.6% Uzbek + 32.4% Algerian @ 10.82

[Grab the Gauge]

CrazyDaisy is 100% Amerindian. All 23andMe and co. do is check your profile against their own reference data. There's not nearly enough Ecuadorians on 23andMe or any similar service to make a conclusion. All we can go by is her physical appearance which is totally non-European.

[hedonist]

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