Are there any autosomal DNA samples of anatolian people pre-ottoman empire?

[Konpirike]

Are there any autosomal DNA samples of anatolian people pre-ottoman empire?

[Danishmend]

Of course there are.


For instance:

Late Neolithic Anatolia (Kumtepe)
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2901516-X

Highlights
•Kum6 shows a strong population continuity with present-day Sardinia
•Kum6 expresses connections to the central Eurasian gene pool
•Kum6 shares notable affinity with the Iceman, a 5,300-year-old southern European
•Genetic affinities to both East and West suggest continuous contact with Anatolia

Summary
Anatolia and the Near East have long been recognized as the epicenter of the Neolithic expansion through archaeological evidence. Recent archaeogenetic studies on Neolithic European human remains have shown that the Neolithic expansion in Europe was driven westward and northward by migration from a supposed Near Eastern origin [ 1–5 ]. However, this expansion and the establishment of numerous culture complexes in the Aegean and Balkans did not occur until 8,500 before present (BP), over 2,000 years after the initial settlements in the Neolithic core area [ 6–9 ]. We present ancient genome-wide sequence data from 6,700-year-old human remains excavated from a Neolithic context in Kumtepe, located in northwestern Anatolia near the well-known (and younger) site Troy [ 10 ]. Kumtepe is one of the settlements that emerged around 7,000 BP, after the initial expansion wave brought Neolithic practices to Europe. We show that this individual displays genetic similarities to the early European Neolithic gene pool and modern-day Sardinians, as well as a genetic affinity to modern-day populations from the Near East and the Caucasus. Furthermore, modern-day Anatolians carry signatures of several admixture events from different populations that have diluted this early Neolithic farmer component, explaining why modern-day Sardinian populations, instead of modern-day Anatolian populations, are genetically more similar to the people that drove the Neolithic expansion into Europe. Anatolia’s central geographic location appears to have served as a connecting point, allowing a complex contact network with other areas of the Near East and Europe throughout, and after, the Neolithic.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.tr/2016/01/kum6-sardinian-like-genome-from-late.html



Modern Cappadocian Greek (from Niğde) (represents pre-Turkic Central Anatolia)
MDLP k23b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 43.19
2 European_Early_Farmers 17.39
3 Near_East 13.63
4 South_Central_Asian 11.23
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.68
6 North_African 4.52
7 South_East_Asian 1.02
8 Ancestral_Altaic 0.79
9 South_Indian 0.72
10 East_Siberian 0.5
11 Paleo_Siberian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cretan ( ) 5.93
2 Greek_Smyrna ( ) 5.99
3 Cypriot ( ) 6.49
4 Azov_Greek ( ) 7.15
5 Syrian_Jew ( ) 8.03
6 Greek_Islands ( ) 8.05
7 Greek ( ) 8.41
8 Greek_Macedonia ( ) 8.43
9 Greek_Athens ( ) 9.11
10 Italian_South ( ) 9.46
11 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 9.78
12 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 9.81
13 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 10.19
14 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 10.42
15 Greek_Phokaia ( ) 10.53
16 Turk ( ) 10.54
17 Romanian_Jew ( ) 10.56
18 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 11.14
19 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 11.3
20 Central_Greek ( ) 11.54



For comparison, this is a Turk from the same province (Niğde)

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.48
2 South_Central_Asian 12.99
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.82
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.73
5 Near_East 8.23
6 Tungus-Altaic 5.74
7 North_African 3.15
8 Ancestral_Altaic 3.07
9 East_Siberian 1.72
10 Melano_Polynesian 1.59
11 South_Indian 1.06

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 3.897176
2 Turk_Istanbul @ 5.445055
3 Turk @ 5.556530
4 Turk_Balikesir @ 6.767190
5 Turk_Kayseri @ 8.807393
6 Turk_Adana @ 9.461598
7 Azov_Greek @ 9.718751
8 Georgian_Jew @ 11.663621
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 11.857854
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.398178
11 Cirkassian @ 13.068304
12 Cretan @ 14.185543
13 Azeri @ 14.590686
14 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 14.781515
15 Nogai @ 14.871901
16 Kurd_North @ 15.051118
17 Kumyk @ 15.103529
18 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 15.286963
19 Syrian_Jew @ 15.397722
20 Greek_Smyrna @ 15.530954

[Konpirike]

Of course there are.


For instance:

Late Neolithic Anatolia (Kumtepe)
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2901516-X

Highlights
•Kum6 shows a strong population continuity with present-day Sardinia
•Kum6 expresses connections to the central Eurasian gene pool
•Kum6 shares notable affinity with the Iceman, a 5,300-year-old southern European
•Genetic affinities to both East and West suggest continuous contact with Anatolia

Summary
Anatolia and the Near East have long been recognized as the epicenter of the Neolithic expansion through archaeological evidence. Recent archaeogenetic studies on Neolithic European human remains have shown that the Neolithic expansion in Europe was driven westward and northward by migration from a supposed Near Eastern origin [ 1–5 ]. However, this expansion and the establishment of numerous culture complexes in the Aegean and Balkans did not occur until 8,500 before present (BP), over 2,000 years after the initial settlements in the Neolithic core area [ 6–9 ]. We present ancient genome-wide sequence data from 6,700-year-old human remains excavated from a Neolithic context in Kumtepe, located in northwestern Anatolia near the well-known (and younger) site Troy [ 10 ]. Kumtepe is one of the settlements that emerged around 7,000 BP, after the initial expansion wave brought Neolithic practices to Europe. We show that this individual displays genetic similarities to the early European Neolithic gene pool and modern-day Sardinians, as well as a genetic affinity to modern-day populations from the Near East and the Caucasus. Furthermore, modern-day Anatolians carry signatures of several admixture events from different populations that have diluted this early Neolithic farmer component, explaining why modern-day Sardinian populations, instead of modern-day Anatolian populations, are genetically more similar to the people that drove the Neolithic expansion into Europe. Anatolia’s central geographic location appears to have served as a connecting point, allowing a complex contact network with other areas of the Near East and Europe throughout, and after, the Neolithic.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.tr/2016/01/kum6-sardinian-like-genome-from-late.html



Modern Cappadocian Greek (from Niğde) (represents pre-Turkic Central Anatolia)
MDLP k23b

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 43.19
2 European_Early_Farmers 17.39
3 Near_East 13.63
4 South_Central_Asian 11.23
5 European_Hunters_Gatherers 6.68
6 North_African 4.52
7 South_East_Asian 1.02
8 Ancestral_Altaic 0.79
9 South_Indian 0.72
10 East_Siberian 0.5
11 Paleo_Siberian 0.33

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Cretan ( ) 5.93
2 Greek_Smyrna ( ) 5.99
3 Cypriot ( ) 6.49
4 Azov_Greek ( ) 7.15
5 Syrian_Jew ( ) 8.03
6 Greek_Islands ( ) 8.05
7 Greek ( ) 8.41
8 Greek_Macedonia ( ) 8.43
9 Greek_Athens ( ) 9.11
10 Italian_South ( ) 9.46
11 Turk_Kayseri ( ) 9.78
12 Turk_Istanbul ( ) 9.81
13 Assyrian_Iraqi ( ) 10.19
14 Lebanese_Muslim ( ) 10.42
15 Greek_Phokaia ( ) 10.53
16 Turk ( ) 10.54
17 Romanian_Jew ( ) 10.56
18 Turk_Balikesir ( ) 11.14
19 Crimean_Tatar_Coast ( ) 11.3
20 Central_Greek ( ) 11.54



For comparison, this is a Turk from the same province (Niğde)

# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 39.48
2 South_Central_Asian 12.99
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 9.82
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.73
5 Near_East 8.23
6 Tungus-Altaic 5.74
7 North_African 3.15
8 Ancestral_Altaic 3.07
9 East_Siberian 1.72
10 Melano_Polynesian 1.59
11 South_Indian 1.06

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 3.897176
2 Turk_Istanbul @ 5.445055
3 Turk @ 5.556530
4 Turk_Balikesir @ 6.767190
5 Turk_Kayseri @ 8.807393
6 Turk_Adana @ 9.461598
7 Azov_Greek @ 9.718751
8 Georgian_Jew @ 11.663621
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 11.857854
10 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.398178
11 Cirkassian @ 13.068304
12 Cretan @ 14.185543
13 Azeri @ 14.590686
14 Uzbek_Tashkent @ 14.781515
15 Nogai @ 14.871901
16 Kurd_North @ 15.051118
17 Kumyk @ 15.103529
18 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 15.286963
19 Syrian_Jew @ 15.397722
20 Greek_Smyrna @ 15.530954

What are the kitnumbers of the Greek and Turkish guy above?

[Pahli]

...

Do you have a gedmatch kit number of that pre-Turkic individual?

[Danishmend]

What are the kitnumbers of the Greek and Turkish guy above?

You can ask him, his username is Sakattack http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6860-DNA-land-update&p=167769#post167769



Do you have a gedmatch kit number of that pre-Turkic individual?
You mean the neolithic sample?

[Pahli]

You can ask him, his username is Sakattack http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6860-DNA-land-update&p=167484&viewfull=1#post167484




You mean the neolithic sample?

The Greek one from Niğde

[Danishmend]

The Greek one from Niğde

He (Sakattack) is a member of Anthrogenica, I don't have his gedmatch ID, I'm just copy-pasting his results.

[Petalpusher]

Hell even chalcolithic Anatolia wouldn't cut it, too old.

[Danishmend]

Hell even chalcolithic Anatolia wouldn't cut it, too old.

I think modern Anatolian Greeks (the ones who don't have recent mainland ancestry) are a good proxy for pre-Turkic Byzantine Anatolia as they don't have Turkic admixture. I think they haven't been changed since then.

[adsız]

They found a skeleton 3,300 years old thought to belong to The Hittites in Çorum, Anatolia. they are doing DNA tests on it.

http://www.haberturk.com/yasam/haber/1293422-alacahoyukte-3-bin-300-yillik-gizli-gecidin-goruntuleri-ortaya-cikti

[Petalpusher]

I think modern Anatolian Greeks (the ones who don't have recent mainland ancestry) are a good proxy for pre-Turkic Byzantine Anatolia as they don't have Turkic admixture. I think they haven't been changed since then.

Perhaps, but it would give a clearer picture with at least a Bronze Age genome. Just before the Ottoman empire it's hard to tell, must be some steppe and something else involved.

https://s32.postimg.io/qi9jt7u0z/wykres_PCA.png

[Sacrificed Ram]

Even Byzantines settled turkics in anatolia, like avars, cumans, peshenegs, Khazars, etc. And don't forget Persians also could introduce component from central asia and west eurasian in anatolia during their rule.

[Wrong]

Even Byzantines settled turkics in anatolia, like avars, cumans, peshenegs, Khazars, etc. And don't forget Persians also could introduce component from central asia and west eurasian in anatolia during their rule.
+ Bulgars.

[Sacrificed Ram]

+ Bulgars.

Bulgars were Irano-Finno-Ugrics.

[Wrong]

Bulgars were Irano-Finno-Ugrics.
Not those Bulgars

[Danishmend]

Even Byzantines settled turkics in anatolia, like avars, cumans, peshenegs, Khazars, etc.

They were mostly mercenaries, their contribution to Anatolian Greek genepool must have been insignificant. It is mass migrations of tribes that contribute to a population's genepool, not the movements of armies and mercenaries, some of these Turkic mercenaries were settled in Anatolia though.

The only christian community that I suspect to have some Turkic ancestry are Karamanlides, unlike other Greek communities in Anatolia they were native Turkish speakers.

[Danishmend]

Bulgars were Irano-Finno-Ugrics.

Most authorities agree that they were an Oghur-speaking Turkic people (just like modern Chuvash). After the Mongol Invasion, Kipchakization of Bulgars in Volga gave rise to modern Kazan Tatars.

[Proto-Shaman]

we have 2016 and people still try to de-turkify Bulgars.