dietary supplementation - your recommendations

[lei.talk]

Originally Posted at the nordish portal (http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&rlz=1T4GZAZ_enUS281US281&q=%22the+nordish+portal%22) http://www.theapricity.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=607886#post607886)
it is a warm afternoon, here,
so i am having one cup of cold flora's flax-seed oil (http://www.florahealth.com/flora/home/usa/products/TGU6.asp?CategoryID=99&ImageFlag=1#R67900),
two cups of glanbia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glanbia)'s provon 290 (http://www.glanbianutritionals.com/products/whey-proteins) (whey protein isolate (http://www.foodsci.uoguelph.ca/dairyedu/chem.html#protein4))
and a sixteen-ounce dry bag of frozen raspberries
- which i ran through my vita-mix super-blender (http://www.vitamix.com/household/sitemap.asp)
(i have the old model
with the stainless steel base and container),
until it was soft-serve ice cream.

through the gardening and ranching skills of my grandfather
and, then, my self
- i have always benefited from excellent nutrition.

none the less, between forty-five and fifty years of age,
my mitochondria gradually stopped supporting me
at the energy-levels to which i had become accustomed (http://www.uctv.tv/search-details.aspx?showID=9233).
to maintain the health and vigor of my late-twenties
and early-thirties, i have incrementally
worked up to massive supplementation.

it is expensive and worth it.
if you wish to have the physique
and appetites of your youth,
well past the half-century mark
- plan accordingly.

social security (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_Security_(United_States)) is not going to pay you enough
to be healthy. be sure to develop an income-source
(business, investment, rich spouse, et cetera)
while you are young, then you can physically enjoy
all of the years that you are wise.

health need not be wasted on the young.


http://www.lef.org/prod_desc/images/large_product_images/img_01755_big.jpg (http://www.lef.org/Vitamins-Supplements/Item01455/Life-Extension-Mix-Tablets.html)
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[Turkophagos]

http://www.my-organic-vegetables.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Fresh-Organic-Food.jpg

http://www.hartlief.org/images/hartlief/freshMeat.jpg


No supplemantation, get everything you need from fresh meat, vegetables and fruits.

[lei.talk]

i did survive on that diet
for the first twenty years of my life, but,
only survive - i did not flourish.

the second twenty years,
to flourish (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=61307#post61307) - required more (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=616917#post616917)
(even puréeing all of my food raw (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raw_foodism)
with my original vita-mix (http://www.vitamix.com/household/sitemap.asp)
and, later, the superlative 3600
for faster ingestion and digestion).

the past twenty years,
are explained in the original post of this thread (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18905).


enjoy the first info-mercial in television-history (http://www.vitamix.com/household/videos/Papa/barnard_movie.swf).



http://i51.tinypic.com/168vn1h.jpg (http://www.vitamix.com/index.asp)http://i30.tinypic.com/scytjl.jpghttp://i30.tinypic.com/scytjl.jpghttp://i53.tinypic.com/2ziom4h.jpg (http://www.vitamix.com/household/infocenter/history.asp)


here are many more contemporary
and interesting vita-mix videos (http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=vita-mix).


now, back to:
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[007]

I recommend you supplement your diet with real ale, mate. There's a surprising amount of nutrition in ale and it helps to control atherosclerosis. Only one or two per day, though...:(

[Psychonaut]

Let's take a look in my vitamin/supplement cabinet. We have...

Gold Standard Whey Protein
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EAbvhiFK73k/S1qjujMtQsI/AAAAAAAAAAs/NqpPeTnmjbY/s400/ONwhey.jpg

GNC Creatine Monohydrate
http://www.gnclivewell.com.my/images/00800480%20Creatine%20monohydrate.jpg

Schiff Glucosamine
http://vitanetonline.com/images/products/sb07521.jpg

One a Day Gummy Multivitamins
http://www.freaknsweet.com/wp-content/images/2010/01/One-A-Day-VitaCraves.jpg

I also have a tub of NO-XPLODE, but I'm taking a break from that and just drinking coffee for my pre-lifting energy drink.

http://www.joethepeacock.com/uploaded_images/bsn-no-xplode-781842.jpg

http://www.wegotcoffee.com/blog/uploaded_images/folgers-703042-703141.jpg

[Imperivm]

[QUOTE=Psychonaut;279077]Let's take a look in my vitamin/supplement cabinet. We have...

Gold Standard Whey Protein
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_EAbvhiFK73k/S1qjujMtQsI/AAAAAAAAAAs/NqpPeTnmjbY/s400/ONwhey.jpg


I also have a tub of NO-XPLODE, but I'm taking a break from that and just drinking coffee for my pre-lifting energy drink.

http://www.joethepeacock.com/uploaded_images/bsn-no-xplode-781842.jpg[QUOTE=Psychonaut;279077]

I use these two exact supps! The gold standard is regarded as being the best whey on the market. Why did you stop using the NO-EXPLODE?

[Psychonaut]

I use these two exact supps! The gold standard is regarded as being the best whey on the market.

I find it's got the best ration of price to taste to mixability.


Why did you stop using the NO-EXPLODE?

Mostly a cost/benefit thing. It's not cheap, and the benefits aren't that great. It's certainly better than just coffee, but not so much as to justify the expense.

[la bombe]

Recently I started taking a daily multivitamin, fish oil pills, and Tums for extra calcium

http://store.iqshoppe.com/catalog/TumsEX.jpg


it is a warm afternoon, here,
so i am having one cup of cold flora's flax-seed oil,
two cups of glanbia's provon 290 (whey protein isolate)
and a sixteen-ounce dry bag of frozen raspberries

What do you think about fish oil vs. flax-seed oil? I was considering getting some flax-seed oil pills but I figured it would probably be better just to consume the actual seed.

[Grumpy Cat]

I just take kelp (for thyroid function) and a multi.

[Fortis in Arduis]

I recommend opiates, benzodiazepines, anti-histamines, amphetamines, ethyl alcohols, cocaines, psycedelic amphetamines and every thing in-between.

[Peasant]

I have protein powder for when I've eaten protein deficiant crap food in the day. And fish oil capsules that I forget to take.

[Sword of the Morning]

Recession Whey (http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=22&pid=6841) and a multivitamin. :thumb001:

[Lars]

http://www.my-organic-vegetables.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/Fresh-Organic-Food.jpg

http://www.hartlief.org/images/hartlief/freshMeat.jpg


No supplemantation, get everything you need from fresh meat, vegetables and fruits.

Seconded. If you don't have to time to eat sufficiently during a whole day you either watch too much television or jack off too much.
The other guys are proof that advertising creates a need.

[Grumpy Cat]

I'll have to make a negative recommendation at this point.

I've been taking HGH to make my workouts more efficient.

Basically, when you're an adult, your body produces less HGH so if you take some it will put the level up to youthful levels and you'll have more energy and recover faster like you did when you were young.

Problem I've noticed:

I seem to have reverted to a teenage state. I woke up this morning with a zit the size of a continent on my face... I haven't had a zit in like 6 years. Also, been having typical teenage girl mood swings.

Has anyone else had such effects with HGH? If so, did they last a long time?

HGH has different effects on men and women: it makes men bulk up and women slim down - I wonder if the side-effects are different in men and women.

[Psychonaut]

WTF? Is HGH legal without a prescription in Canada?

[Grumpy Cat]

WTF? Is HGH legal without a prescription in Canada?

No. I got it from the US.

[lei.talk]

I've been taking HGH to make my workouts more efficient.
...I got it from the US.
do you have an image of the product
or url-link to the manufacturer?
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[The Journeyman]

Warning: protein rich diets may lower mood and lead to more agitation and anger problems.


Does Atkins cause depression?

by MARIANNE POWER, Daily Mail

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Scientists have discovered that the Atkins diet can make people grumpy, irritable and restless.

A study of 100 men and women found that dieters on a protein-rich regime are far more prone to mood swings and depression than those on high- carbohydrate, low-protein diets.

The reason? Carbohydrates produce higher levels of serotonin, the body's "happy hormone" which is released by the brain to stabilise mood swings.

The team from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology in the U.S. found that eating sweet and starchy carbohydrates, such as potatoes, pasta and bread, increases the brain's production of serotonin when eaten with very small amounts of protein.

Serotonin is also the chemical which makes us feel full after eating.

'Emotional zombies'

Dr Judith Wurtmen, who led the study, concludes that dieters who eat a lot of protein and fat, as recommended on the Atkins diet, are therefore in danger of becoming "emotional zombies".

Certain people, she says, are actually "carbohydrate cravers". They rely on carbohydrates to keep their moods steady, so cutting out this food group altogether is "like taking water away from someone hiking in the desert".

Dr Stuart Trager, chairman of The Atkins Physician Council, disputes the claim that a low-carbohydrate diet can cause depression.

He says: "Mood and energy levels are related to many factors. Additionally, it is important to remember that serotonin is made within the body from ingested protein, rather than carbohydrates. Controlling carbohydrates helps people manage their weight, improve body image, and stabilises blood sugar."

Protein lowers serotonin

But nutritionist Fiona Hunter says: "Although serotonin is made from the amino acid tryptophan which is found in protein-rich foods such as meat and cheese, eating a protein-rich meal actually lowers serotonin in the brain.

"This is because when you eat a proteinrich meal you flood the blood with other competing amino acids, as well as tryptophan, which all fight for entry into the brain. Only a small amount of tryptophan is able to get through, so serotonin levels do not rise greatly.

"In contrast, a carbohydrate-rich meal triggers the release of the hormone insulin which causes all amino acids, except tryptophan, to be absorbed into the cells. With the competition removed, tryptophan can freely enter the brain, causing serotonin levels to rise."

Dr Cecilia Tregear, who specialises in the effects that diet has on hormone levels, agrees: "In my experience people on the Atkins diet are prone to mood swings, anxiety and erratic behaviour. Sugar is the main food for the brain and without it, the brain struggles.

"The thyroid gland needs to be activated by carbohydrates and without them it slows down, and a slow thyroid has been linked to depression.

"Overall, the Atkins diet is not a balanced diet, which will result in unbalanced hormones and therefore unbalanced moods."

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-299649/Does-Atkins-cause-depression.html#ixzz1Hb4UkkGx



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-299649/Does-Atkins-cause-depression.html

Carbohydrates are important, I wouldn't recommend leaving them out. Whole grain foods like brown rice, rye bread, Oatmeal. Starchy foods are also important, especially for muscle recovery.

[Don Brick]

Eh, Acadian, the HGH sounds kinda fishy. I´d be careful with that one if I was you...

[Grumpy Cat]

do you have an image of the product
or url-link to the manufacturer?

Here (http://www.genf20.com/)

[Psychonaut]

Here (http://www.genf20.com/)

Oh, it's an HGH booster! When you said HGH, here I was assuming you were taking actual HGH, which is only effective when injected. That you're taking one of these oral boosters definitely explains the acne. That's one of the most common negative side effects that I've heard people complain about from HGH and test boosters.

[Grumpy Cat]

Oh, it's an HGH booster! When you said HGH, here I was assuming you were taking actual HGH, which is only effective when injected. That you're taking one of these oral boosters definitely explains the acne. That's one of the most common negative side effects that I've heard people complain about from HGH and test boosters.

Yeah but I've lost some weight.

[Sword of the Morning]

Recession Whey (http://www.trueprotein.com/Product_Details.aspx?cid=22&pid=6841) and a multivitamin. :thumb001:

I'm now also including Creatine Monohydrate and Brached-Chain Amino Acids in my post-workout shake. Any thoughts?

[The Journeyman]

Going by one of the basic laws of physics: to every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction, wouldn't there be some kind of rebound effect after taking HGH boosters for a while? It seems like most of the ingredients in that supplement are specific amino acids, but also some stimulants or nervous system-exciting compounds. I would imagine there would be some kind of down regulation in certain receptors after taking them for too long.

[Psychonaut]

...wouldn't there be some kind of rebound effect after taking HGH boosters for a while?

It all depends on whether or not they actually work. I've not been able to find any lab studies on HGH boosters not performed by the org selling that particular brand, so it's hard to quantify just how much of an increase they're responsible for affecting. Testosterone boosters, for example, are all garbage, with none of them increasing your test levels enough to make a noticeable difference in the gym. We know a lot about the negative effects of injecting HGH (the six-pack gut) and testosterone (your natural test levels plummet), but with the boosters it all depends on just how much of a boost they provide.

[The Journeyman]

There were a couple of clinical studies in which Arginine was shown to increase growth hormone levels by lowering the secretion of GH antagonist Somatostatin. However, they used very high doses of Arginine which were injected directly into the blood stream, so I am unsure as to whether taking it orally would allow for sufficient absorption.

Study: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2903866

[lei.talk]

What are the ingredients of GenF20 Plus (http://www.genf20.com/questions.html) Daily Supplement?

L-Arginine - 130mg

L-Glutamine - 115mg

L-Glycine - 100mg

L-Lysine - 100mg

L-Tyrosine - 100mg

Tribulus Terrestris Extract - 80mg

Astragalus Root Extract - 60mg

Deer Velvet Antler - 50mg

GABA - 50mg

Colostrum - 50mg

L-Valine - 40mg

Pituitary (Anterior) Powder - 30mg

Phosphatidyl Choline - 25mg

L-Ornithine - 25mg

GTF Chromium - 0.1 mg
one tenth of a milligram!?! :tsk:

all of the other quantities
are metabolically insignificant, as well.

one might consume one-hundred times as much
in a single post-exercise drink (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?p=610247#post610247) ingested twice a day (http://forum.lef.org//default.aspx?f=40&m=23528&p=1#m23548).

this product is embarrassingly over-priced;
girls may easily remove adipose (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?p=246981#post246981).
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[_______]

i take iodene, cos i dont eat dairy.

[lei.talk]

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over forty years ago,
in e.c tubb's dumarest (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dumarest_saga) series of books
seeplus (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faster-than-light) travellers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstellar_travel) that could not afford to hibernate
as they journeyed between the stars

subsisted on a diet of "basic".
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[thetank]

the only supplement that has been proven to work on a consistent basis is creatine monohydrate...everything else is neglible and a scam

whey protein is convenient but not a necessity, same with preworkouts(I just drink black coffee)

as far as micronutrient supplements I do take a multi vitamin along with fish oil daily but I always make sure that the majority of my micronutrients comes from whole foods

[Pontios]

I think the best is to just eat healthy, without any vitamins or anything. :thumb001: A nice balanced meal everyday should do a lot better than vitamins in my opinion.