So how do you explain blonds that tan easy

[hedonist]

most burn in the sun, but you do get quite a few that tan relatively well... med roots?

[Ülev]

dyed hair

[Herr Abubu]

All the blonds who live back home in my family tan pretty well. I didn't use to tan well, but it got better after a while. Now I don't burn easily and get a very nice colour quick. I guess it's just a matter of acclimatization and maybe diet and lifestyle.

[Yggdrasil]

Most Scandinavians actually tend to tan quite well. I doubt it's because of med roots :laugh:

[hedonist]

I was wondering if it was a celt vs. germanic thing. I have dark blond hair/ blue eyes yet I can get pretty dark during the summer. My cousin on the other hand cannot get tan to save his life, just burns up like a lobster

[revealman]

Most Scandinavians actually tend to tan quite well. I doubt it's because of med roots :laugh:
so why do northern countries have highest skin cancer rates?!

https://www.cbs.nl/-/media/imported/images/2013/35/e3898g3.gif?la=en-gb&hash=48A472A7A6629025FD7816811F8807210D5B6F2F

[Yggdrasil]

so why do northern countries have highest skin cancer rates?!

Errm, skin cancer and ability to tan aren't really connected to each other :laugh:

[revealman]

Errm, skin cancer and ability to tan aren't really connected to each other :laugh:
skin types and skin cancer are closely tied together..

your ability to tan is determined by your ability to produce healthy number of melanosomes and tyrosinase

what counts is the number of melanosomes - and hence melanin - per melanocyte. typically, a dark-haired, dark-skinned, dark-eyed people would have many more melanosomes in her melanocytes than her fair-haired, fair-skinned, light-eyed counterpart.

http://www.skincancer.org/prevention/are-you-at-risk/skin-types-and-at-risk-groups

my ex-girlfirend was blonde with very fair skin and got sunburn very easily.. i know what i am speaking about.

[Seth MacFarlane]

The sun

[catgeorge]

Blondes tan guaranteed - not go red but go dark.

Three days on a Greek island having fun outdoors three days straight and you will tan.

Have seen it with everyone.

[Queen B]

most burn in the sun, but you do get quite a few that tan relatively well... med roots?
I'm med and I don't tan.

Some skins (regardless of their pigment) produce melanin in different rates.
http://www.kidzworld.com/article/4465-the-science-of-tanning

[revealman]

Blondes tan guaranteed - not go red but go dark.

Three days on a Greek island having fun outdoors three days straight and you will tan.

Have seen it with everyone.
it is not a real tan, only the burning of the first layer of skin, which then peels off..

http://images.wisegeek.com/sunburned-shoulder.jpg

a real tan is long lasting production of melanin.

[Linebacker]

Good genetics.

They have an evolutionary upper hand over their brethren who burn.

[hedonist]

Good genetics.

They have an evolutionary upper hand over their brethren who burn.

could be all the time I was stationed in Africa

[EL_BARBARO]

The sun

Yep. Concretely its radiation.

[revealman]

nice tan

http://s13.postimg.org/5v8qwvp4n/nb7wvp.jpg

[cosmoo]

People of pure Nordid phenotype actually tan very well, almost as good as Med southern Europeans.
Most, if not all, of Scando tourists I've seen, were very deeply tanned.

[catgeorge]

Blondes definitely tan - I have seen it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2sQs4jXfZQ

[Yggdrasil]

skin types and skin cancer are closely tied together..

your ability to tan is determined by your ability to produce healthy number of melanosomes and tyrosinase

what counts is the number of melanosomes - and hence melanin - per melanocyte. typically, a dark-haired, dark-skinned, dark-eyed people would have many more melanosomes in her melanocytes than her fair-haired, fair-skinned, light-eyed counterpart.

http://www.skincancer.org/prevention/are-you-at-risk/skin-types-and-at-risk-groups

my ex-girlfirend was blonde with very fair skin and got sunburn very easily.. i know what i am speaking about.

What i meant was that you can still get a nice colour when you tan and have a higher incidence of skin cancer.

[Yggdrasil]

People of pure Nordid phenotype actually tan very well, almost as good as Med southern Europeans.
Most, if not all, of Scando tourists I've seen, were very deeply tanned.

Exactly :thumb001:

[Slud]

Nords tan and Med tan is still different. Nords still has a rosy undertone and become more orange/bronze meanwhile Meds just go brown. Med's also have that yellow/greenish light brown tone to the skin, meanwhile nords have a more rosy or yellow tone( non brownish).

[Valmont]

My sister was really blond as a kid and she tanned really well. Her hair would become really light and her blue/green eyes would really come out.

Now that she's gotten older, her hair has significantly darkened and she no longer tans in the sunlight. On the contrary she burns quite easily.

My brother, on the other end, never tans. His hair is a mousy blond with red reflections and he gets burnt badly and very quickly.

So blonds can tan quite well. That's what blond hair is for actually. It's more responsive to sunlight and absorbs more UVs to make sure you get the D vitamin you need.

[Hellenas]

Some examples.

Swedes in Cyprus

http://cdn1.bbend.net/media/com_news/story/2012/06/22/212610/main/b92a9c7f37c5654b328a9ec1aeb2ee6b.jpg

http://www.onsports.gr/media/k2/items/cache/27dc61c2937bb9b55e3a2faf3bc551a2_L.jpg


Link with Swedes in Cyprus: http://www.onsports.gr/Cheerleaders/item/485102-Soyidezes-gdythikan-me-fanela-toy-APOEL-photos

More Swedes.

http://media-saver.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/e72cf0d9fake-tan-0.jpg?w=500&h=934

http://www.utrax.com/uploads/images/news/Swedish%20Midsummer%20at%20Pangea.jpg

http://img.swifty.com/slides/3/6/8/0/9/3/3680937061/c2f96b94fdcd04c8c4305f361f9b5a2d46c20b05.jpeg

http://oi67.tinypic.com/j5ku1w.jpg


...med roots?


Nordics descend from Mediterraneans(C. S. Coon).

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvkzGfFrUAwj0blgk6zAKX-tL3rDFukaG38NmhejChmDlzP482mRaf99lJ

Carleton S. Coon:

Glossary

NORDIC. A blond branch of the greater Mediterranean race, created by the mixture of Corded and Danubian elements, and divided into several subtypes. See p. 292. Unfortunately this term is also used by archaeologists to designate a specific Neolithic cultural complex, without racial implication.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troe-appendixII.htm

The Illyrians

"Nordic" type is no special or separate race, but merely a variant of the larger Mediterranean family."

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VI2.htm

The Neolithic and the Mediterranean race

"The Nordic race in the strict sense is merely a pigment phase of the Mediterranean."

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IV2.htm

Racial Classification within the White Family

FIG. 30: Schematic Representation of White Racial History.
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/Hellas1/Untitled-2.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VIII6.htm

Neolithic Scandinavia

"The concept of Scandinavia as the home of a pure Nordic race or of any other single group during the Neolithic is a completely false one."

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IV12.htm

Mediterranean race

"Later in the 20th century, the concept of a distinctive Mediterranean race was still considered useful by theorists such as Earnest Hooton in Up From the Ape (1931) and Carleton S. Coon in his revised edition of Ripley's Races of Europe (1939). These writers subscribed to Sergi's depigmentation theory that the Nordic race was the northern variety of Mediterraneans that lost pigmentation through natural selection due to the environment.[19]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_race#20th_century

Depigmentation theory

"Coon's (1939) theory that the Nordic race was a depigmentated variation of the greater Mediterranean racial stock was also supported by his mentor Earnest Albert Hooton who in the same year published Twilight of Man, which notes: "The Nordic race is certainly a depigmented offshoot from the basic long-headed Mediterranean stock. It deserves separate racial classification only because its blond hair (ash or golden), its pure blue or gray eyes".[45]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race#Depigmentation_theory

"The depigmentation theory that claimed that lighter skinned peoples had been dipigmented from a darker skin, this theory has since become a widely accepted view in anthropology.[73]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race#Fascist_Nordicism

[Myanthropologies]

A lot of blondes tan lol. There are many people I know who are blonde haired but darker skinned than people with dark hair.

[revealman]

Blondes definitely tan - I have seen it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I2sQs4jXfZQ

lol, most people in the video are brunettes...

[Grab the Gauge]

It was historically acknowledged, up to the recent past, that Nordics and blonds were darker skinned than brunettes and Meds. This is reflected for example in images from the time. The recent, weird association of blond hair with light skin is very new and contrived. Yes, it probably does have something to do with non-blonds bleaching their hair. 99% of the blonds out there are fake -- especially the women.

The classical skin tone of Nordic people is a dark bronze-brown, tending to toward black in many cases. This of course makes perfect sense -- Nordics have more input from WHG which carried dark skin alleles. I have dark blond hair and tan rapidly and intensely. My grandfather was blond and his skin was nearly black. Dark skin and blond hair are not mutually exclusive things, it's the opposite. The blonder your real hair is, the darker your skin will be.



https://wolfsonianfiulibrary.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/td1989_184_5.jpg

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/d6/50/28/d65028d1ef4f388bb7276a77486b206f.jpg


http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/pyhalov/31027164/72526/72526_original.jpg

http://pra.org/publicdl/Historical%20Documents/WWII%20Propaganda%20Posters/WWII%20Nazi%20Propaganda%20Posters/certain.jpg

[Ouistreham]

Most Scandinavians actually tend to tan quite well. I doubt it's because of med roots :laugh:

Quite right.
In Sweden, Finland and NorthWestern Russia fair-heared people generally tan without any problem.
(In Scania, Denmark and Norway not that much)

No much mystery about it:
• some Central-Asian admixture (which is obvious in Finland)
• selective pressure, due to the fact that from May to August daylight is very long and weather quite dry, hence many sunshine hours in the area. Irish blondes wouldn't survive there!

I've been past July in both Spain and Sweden (sailing in the Gulf of Bothny) and believe me, sunshine was more unbearably biting in Sweden than it was in Valencia, Spain.

[GiCa]

everyone tans.. it depends on the mount of time spent tanning. obviously more you are fair skinned and blond more it takes you to tan. but you will eventually ttan and become brown skinned if ou spend a summer each day in the med sea at least.

[GiCa]

i know a read head.. that spent the entire summer in the beach sunbathing.. well he came back in my town and he was darker skinned than me.. lol..

[GiCa]

Totti and Hilary Blasi, two blonde italian couple.
after a summer spent on Ostia Beach... brown skinned..http://static2.blastingnews.com/media/photogallery/2016/3/10/290x290/b_290x290/gossip-news-totti-e-ilary-blasi_636245.jpg

vs non tan and probably at the end of winter
http://www.consumatrici.it/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/aaaisabelcasa.jpg

[cosmoo]

So blonds can tan quite well. That's what blond hair is for actually. It's more responsive to sunlight and absorbs more UVs to make sure you get the D vitamin you need.
Completely incorrect. Different pigmented hair confers no evolutionary advantage at all (like light skin and (possibly) eyes do). Hair is made up of dead cells, which can't absorb vitamin D. Why do many of Australian Aborigines and Melanesians have blonde hair, yet they live in very hot, tropical areas?
This was known since long time ago:
Black skin and a black eye, then, may be variables which are advantageous under hot, bright, equatorial light conditions. A partially depigmented skin and fundus condition can perhaps survive without disadvantage only in a climate where the light is weak. Blond hair, however, cannot be assigned any survival value of either a negative or a positive character.
(The Races of Europe, chapter VIII, section 5)

[GiCa]

tan is an ability.. it should be stimulated. i was burning myself and i got light skin damage after five years of not taking sun.. while my best friend who is blond.. tanned every summer.. so she didn t burn herself like me.. she got a darker tan than mine.

while after spending an entire summer.. day by day wanting slowly to take more nd more sun i became darker than her who tanned too.. because still my skin and hair pigmentation produce more melanine then hers if stimulated.

it works like that.

on pair a blond and a brunett lying in the sun at the end will tan differently. the brunett taking less time and tanning with more inensiy and lasting more.

same with me and an olive skin person.. i will never reach the tan or the quicklier time an olive person take to tan.. i will be more at risk of burning and tan less

[Queen B]

on pair a blond and a brunett lying in the sun at the end will tan differently. the brunett taking less time and tanning with more inensiy and lasting more.

That's not true.


In this, it is me and 2 of my brothers. The one on the left has brown hair (lighter than mine) and brown eyes. I have brown (with reddish tones) and grey/green/hazel eyes and the on on the right have darkbrown hair and eyes.
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n548/vasoulitos/Scan_Pic0920_zpsotgw9tee.jpg

This is me and my mother. My mother has naturally strawberry blonde hair, blue/grey eyes and tone of freckles - yet she tans like a boss.
(Btw, it was 10 years ago, don't judge the eyeshadow !!)
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n548/vasoulitos/Scan_Pic0932_zps365e8tyq.jpg
I picked those ''older photos'' of me when I still lived in the island, and had the same exposure.
It isn't only with your natural pigment, but mostly about how fast your system produces melanin

Last but not least, me and a friend on vacation (same amount of time spend suntanning :lol:) And one photo with the same person - in winter time
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n548/vasoulitos/podi_zpsgwswlhju.jpg
http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n548/vasoulitos/dfgadfa_zpsnrnzpanj.jpg

[Oneeye]

depends on the blonde's natural skin tone more than the hair color... come on.

[Hoxhaism]

i'm mediterranean and i can't tan, i turn into a tomato.
It just depends on the genetics you get

[Yggdrasil]

Quite right.
In Sweden, Finland and NorthWestern Russia fair-heared people generally tan without any problem.
(In Scania, Denmark and Norway not that much)

No much mystery about it:
• some Central-Asian admixture (which is obvious in Finland)
• selective pressure, due to the fact that from May to August daylight is very long and weather quite dry, hence many sunshine hours in the area. Irish blondes wouldn't survive there!

I've been past July in both Spain and Sweden (sailing in the Gulf of Bothny) and believe me, sunshine was more unbearably biting in Sweden than it was in Valencia, Spain.

There's no central asian admixture in either Scandinavia, Finland or Northwestern Russia. There's some asian admixture yes, but it's all North asian, not central.

People in Norway and Denmark tan just as well as Swedes do.

[Yggdrasil]

Nordics descend from Mediterraneans(C. S. Coon).

http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTvkzGfFrUAwj0blgk6zAKX-tL3rDFukaG38NmhejChmDlzP482mRaf99lJ

Carleton S. Coon:

Glossary

NORDIC. A blond branch of the greater Mediterranean race, created by the mixture of Corded and Danubian elements, and divided into several subtypes. See p. 292. Unfortunately this term is also used by archaeologists to designate a specific Neolithic cultural complex, without racial implication.

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/troe-appendixII.htm

The Illyrians

"Nordic" type is no special or separate race, but merely a variant of the larger Mediterranean family."

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VI2.htm

The Neolithic and the Mediterranean race

"The Nordic race in the strict sense is merely a pigment phase of the Mediterranean."

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IV2.htm

Racial Classification within the White Family

FIG. 30: Schematic Representation of White Racial History.
http://i1142.photobucket.com/albums/n606/Hellenas1977/Hellas1/Untitled-2.jpg

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-VIII6.htm

Neolithic Scandinavia

"The concept of Scandinavia as the home of a pure Nordic race or of any other single group during the Neolithic is a completely false one."

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/chapter-IV12.htm

Mediterranean race

"Later in the 20th century, the concept of a distinctive Mediterranean race was still considered useful by theorists such as Earnest Hooton in Up From the Ape (1931) and Carleton S. Coon in his revised edition of Ripley's Races of Europe (1939). These writers subscribed to Sergi's depigmentation theory that the Nordic race was the northern variety of Mediterraneans that lost pigmentation through natural selection due to the environment.[19]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mediterranean_race#20th_century

Depigmentation theory

"Coon's (1939) theory that the Nordic race was a depigmentated variation of the greater Mediterranean racial stock was also supported by his mentor Earnest Albert Hooton who in the same year published Twilight of Man, which notes: "The Nordic race is certainly a depigmented offshoot from the basic long-headed Mediterranean stock. It deserves separate racial classification only because its blond hair (ash or golden), its pure blue or gray eyes".[45]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race#Depigmentation_theory

"The depigmentation theory that claimed that lighter skinned peoples had been dipigmented from a darker skin, this theory has since become a widely accepted view in anthropology.[73]"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race#Fascist_Nordicism

Nordic peoples, genetically, do not descend from modern day Mediterranean populations. Therefore, biologically, it would be impossible that med roots are the reason why we tan so well.

[Henbane]

My mother (Scot/Irish) is naturally very blonde, light green eyes, pale in winter but tans well in summer. My father (English) is naturally dark haired, grey/blue eyes, but very pale and never tans. I started out blonde, but am now mid brown, am very pale and can't tan only burn and peel.

[Hellenas]

Nordic peoples, genetically, do not descend from modern day Mediterranean populations. Therefore, biologically, it would be impossible that med roots are the reason why we tan so well.

But Carleton Coon, Earnest Hooton and Sergi didn't say genetically, they said Athropologically. There are not Nordic peoples, there are only Nordic types among Northern populations, the Nordic types form minorities among them. You don't have any evidence that Nordic types do not descend from Mediterranean types.

[cosmoo]

But Carleton Coon didn't say genetically, he said Athropologically. There are not Nordic peoples, there are only Nordic types among Northern populations, the Nordic types form minorities among them. You don't have any evidence that Nordic types do not descend from Mediterranean types.

Mediterranean and Nordid types are descended from common ancestral type. It's not like Nordids descended directly from Meds.

[Hellenas]

Mediterranean and Nordid types are descended from common ancestral type. It's not like Nordids descended directly from Meds.

Carleton S. Coon, Earnest Hooton and Sergi said otherwise.

"This theory has since become a widely accepted view in anthropology.[73]"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_race#cite_ref-73