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dddcc

09-22-2016, 08:44 PM

I cannot ask mother to undertake autosomal test, so I tried to deduce her hypothetical score from the results of a pure Tunisian and mine, unluckily there is no trace of any ftdna, dnaland or gedmatch results for any Tunisian, that's why I used the dnaland of an Algerian Arabophone from eastern Algeria since eastern Algerian Arabophones should be very close to Tunisian Arabophones (for instance both speak mainly the same dialect of Arabic)
Knowing that the paternal great father of mom is a Sudanese, are their hypthetical results typical for Tunisians and is there a tool to extrapolate her closest population from those virtual dnaland scores?
North Africans don't score nw European at DNA land so discarding my 48% nw European +my 1,9% ambiguous; my African half (my mother) should be approximatively (multiplying the remaining components by 2):
18% Ashkenazi
16% Mediterranean islander
15% Arab/Egyptian
11% sw European
34% north African
6% east African (I rounded the east African score at 6 not 7 because hypothetical male progenitor has slight SSA admixture in the chromatide I inherited from him and thus hinting to a southern US origin of him according to Dr. McDonald chromosome paintings of mine)
http://i66.tinypic.com/v3kkna.jpg
Herein an old (old because mother does not like photos she can be recognised be posted in internet) photo with me mother and maternal grandmother
https://s13.postimg.org/k2xqyeyqt/14330162_2002432146649833_8425248091710785665_n.jp g

Herein my FTDNA my origins and DNA-Land results then an intriguing admixture, oracle and n-monte results of mine done by mr. Vadim Verenich and finally my closest oracles.
http://i64.tinypic.com/qspmrn.jpg
http://i68.tinypic.com/bg8xky.jpg

Ok, here we go.

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16 ancestral populations
116463 total SNPs
1 flipped SNPs
23993 heterozygous SNPs
604 no-calls
42928 absent SNPs
0.626216 genotype rate
mode genomewide

43532 SNPs missing (no-call or absent)

10800 dQ: 1.000E-07 goal: 1.000E-07

10802 total iterations
1.000E-07 final dQ

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FINAL ADMIXTURE PROPORTIONS:
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0.65% Amerindian
0.00% Ancestor
14.43% Steppe
0.05% Indian
0.00% Arctic
0.00% Australian
20.53% Caucasian
3.52% EastAfrican
17.58% NorthEastEuropean
7.53% NearEast
22.07% Neolithic
11.37% NorthAfrican
0.63% Oceanic
0.00% Siberian
0.00% SouthEastAsian
1.64% Subsaharian

CPU time = 379.81 sec

4Admix, you should disregard 1,2 population approximations and go straight to 3,4 population approximations.

16 components mode.
Population data has been read. 502 populations found.
Personal data has been read. 20 approximations mode.
Person: Test3.txt
Threshold of components set to 0.39%

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese @ 11.798352
2 Switzerland @ 12.753583
3 Provance @ 13.67559
4 Belmonte_Jewish @ 13.682979
5 Romanians_Gorj @ 14.207786
6 Italy-Friul @ 14.380832
7 Romanians_Apuseni @ 14.882006
8 Austria @ 15.136611
9 Spanish_Canarias_IBS @ 15.289436
10 Corsican @ 15.370436
11 Italy_North @ 15.499315
12 France @ 15.525893
13 Montenegrian @ 15.752677
14 Bulgaria @ 15.801058
15 Spain @ 15.848176
16 Germany_South @ 15.849349
17 French_East @ 16.003919
18 Hungary @ 16.028423
19 Romanians @ 16.045316
20 Croat-BH @ 16.111404
502 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Libyan+Norwegian @ 6.435739
2 Icelandic+Libyan @ 6.54976
3 Libyan+Swedish @ 6.591117
4 Polish_East+Tunisian @ 6.636175
5 Dutch+Tunisian @ 6.669145
6 Polish_West+Tunisian @ 6.823351
7 Libyan+Orcadian @ 6.844881
8 Swedish+Tunisian @ 6.870797
9 Sorb+Tunisian @ 6.891293
10 German_Lipsian+Tunisian @ 6.907962
11 Libyan+Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR @ 6.992995
12 English_Kent_GBR+Libyan @ 7.018577
13 Slovak+Tunisian @ 7.029363
14 Libyan+Shetlandic @ 7.029664
15 English_Cornwall_GBR+Libyan @ 7.048523
16 Shetlandic+Tunisian @ 7.120778
17 Tunisian+Ukranian @ 7.168409
18 Libyan+Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 7.170043
19 Irish_Connacht+Libyan @ 7.178621
20 Libyan+Scottish_Borders @ 7.185382
126253 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Icelandic +25% Libyan_Jew +25% Tunisian @ 2.430637
2 50% Norwegian +25% Moroccan_Jewish +25% Tunisian @ 2.518872
3 50% Icelandic +25% Moroccan_Jewish +25% Tunisian @ 2.550836
4 50% Icelandic +25% Tunisian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.607196
5 50% Icelandic +25% Libyan_Jewish +25% Tunisian @ 2.647773
6 50% Icelandic +25% Algerian +25% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.65516
7 50% Icelandic +25% Tunisian +25% Tunisian_Jew @ 2.694379
8 50% Norwegian +25% Libyan_Jew +25% Tunisian @ 2.705861
9 50% Swedish +25% Moroccan_Jewish +25% Tunisian @ 2.724696
10 50% Icelandic +25% Moroccan_Jew +25% Tunisian @ 2.744142
11 50% Icelandic +25% Algerian +25% Samaritan @ 2.765902
12 50% Norwegian +25% Algerian +25% Libyan_Jewish @ 2.79571
13 50% Norwegian +25% Tunisian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.795772
14 50% Icelandic +25% Algerian +25% SephardiJewTurkey @ 2.823116
15 50% Icelandic +25% Algerian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.830184
16 50% Norwegian +25% Moroccan_Jew +25% Tunisian @ 2.84856
17 50% Norwegian +25% Libyan_Jewish +25% Tunisian @ 2.859165
18 50% Icelandic +25% Libyan_Jewish +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 2.880943
19 50% Norwegian +25% Algerian +25% Moroccan_Jewish @ 2.915567
20 50% Swedish +25% Algerian +25% Moroccan_Jewish @ 2.918383
31819882 iterations.

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Icelandic+Moroccan_Jewish+Swedish+Tunisian @ 2.412546
2 Icelandic+Icelandic+Libyan_Jew+Tunisian @ 2.430637
3 English_Kent_GBR+Estonian+Moroccan_Jewish+Tunisian @ 2.460383
4 Moroccan_Jewish+Norwegian+Swedish+Tunisian @ 2.485842
5 Finn-West+Icelandic+Moroccan_Jewish+Tunisian @ 2.507593
6 Icelandic+Moroccan_Jewish+Norwegian+Tunisian @ 2.518096
7 Moroccan_Jewish+Norwegian+Norwegian+Tunisian @ 2.518872
8 Estonian+Moroccan_Jewish+Orcadian+Tunisian @ 2.526312
9 Finn-West+Moroccan_Jewish+Norwegian+Tunisian @ 2.529715
10 English_Cornwall_GBR+Estonian+Moroccan_Jewish+Tuni sian @ 2.5351
11 English_Kent_GBR+Latvian+Moroccan_Jewish+Tunisian @ 2.535955
12 Latvian+Moroccan_Jewish+Orcadian+Tunisian @ 2.537551
13 Finn-West+Moroccan_Jewish+Orcadian+Tunisian @ 2.53876
14 Icelandic+Icelandic+Moroccan_Jewish+Tunisian @ 2.550836
15 Icelandic+Libyan_Jew+Norwegian+Tunisian @ 2.555368
16 English_Cornwall_GBR+Latvian+Moroccan_Jewish+Tunis ian @ 2.572216
17 Icelandic+Icelandic+Tunisian+Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.607196
18 Latvian+Moroccan_Jewish+Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR+T unisian @ 2.621196
19 Icelandic+Icelandic+Libyan_Jewish+Tunisian @ 2.647773
20 Estonian+Moroccan_Jewish+Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR+ Tunisian @ 2.648512
21 Icelandic+Moroccan_Jewish+Polish+Tunisian @ 2.653852
22 Algerian+Icelandic+Icelandic+Libyan_Jewish @ 2.65516
23 English_Kent_GBR+Lithuanian+Moroccan_Jewish+Tunisi an @ 2.658468
24 Finn-West+Icelandic+Moroccan_Jew+Tunisian @ 2.663213
25 Lithuanian+Moroccan_Jewish+Orcadian+Tunisian @ 2.672025
26 Icelandic+Norwegian+Tunisian+Tunisian_Jewish @ 2.687373
27 Icelandic+Icelandic+Tunisian+Tunisian_Jew @ 2.694379
28 Estonian+Libyan_Jewish+Orcadian+Shaigi_WGA @ 2.702193
29 Icelandic+Moroccan_Jewish+Polish_West+Tunisian @ 2.705212
30 Libyan_Jew+Norwegian+Norwegian+Tunisian @ 2.705861
31 Finn-West+Moroccan_Jewish+Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR+Tuni sian @ 2.708418
32 Algerian+Icelandic+Libyan_Jewish+Norwegian @ 2.71072
33 Icelandic+Moroccan_Jewish+Sorb+Tunisian @ 2.72429
34 Moroccan_Jewish+Swedish+Swedish+Tunisian @ 2.724696
35 English_Kent_GBR+Estonian+Moroccan_Jewish+Shaigi_W GA @ 2.726405
36 Latvian+Libyan_Jewish+Orcadian+Shaigi_WGA @ 2.727068
37 Latvia+Moroccan_Jewish+Orcadian+Tunisian @ 2.727191
38 English_Cornwall_GBR+Lithuanian+Moroccan_Jewish+Tu nisian @ 2.728127
39 Center-Russian+Icelandic+Moroccan_Jewish+Tunisian @ 2.729495
40 Moroccan_Jewish+Orcadian+Polish+Tunisian @ 2.730409
304048207 iterations.

Gaussian method.
Noise dispersion set to 0.31652

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese @ 6.391055
2 Belmonte_Jewish @ 7.221396
3 Maltese @ 7.734804
4 Spanish_Canarias_IBS @ 8.411174
5 Spanish_Extremadura_IBS @ 8.512818
6 Corsican @ 8.61155
7 Spanish_Galicia_IBS @ 8.712956
8 Ashkenazim @ 8.791527
9 Sicilian @ 8.942446
10 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 9.347325
11 Spanish_Andalucia_IBS @ 9.397122
12 Italy_Abruzzo @ 9.469011
13 Ashkenazy @ 9.670549
14 Spain @ 9.671479
15 Spanish_Murcia_IBS @ 9.86069
16 Spanish_Castilla_la_Mancha_IBS @ 9.862672
17 Italian_South @ 9.864772
18 Spaniards @ 9.918193
19 Italian_Jewish @ 9.96473
20 Provance @ 10.176566
502 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Polish_East+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.323162
2 English_Kent_GBR+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.419262
3 Dutch+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.421041
4 Shaigi_WGA+Swedish @ 5.462967
5 Croatian+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.469767
6 Croat-Croatia+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.49966
7 German_Lipsian+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.514997
8 Shaigi_WGA+Sorb @ 5.528999
9 Polish_West+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.536689
10 Hungarian_Coriell+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.541238
11 Orcadian+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.556668
12 Shaigi_WGA+Ukrainian_West @ 5.577832
13 Hungarians+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.590909
14 Serbian_BH+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.595799
15 Hungarian_Metspalu+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.603744
16 Norwegian+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.608518
17 Shaigi_WGA+Slovak @ 5.627172
18 Polish+Shaigi_WGA @ 5.6595
19 English_Kent_GBR+Tunisian @ 5.668262
20 Polish_East+Tunisian @ 5.673023
126253 iterations.

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Shaigi_WGA +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.511434
2 50% Orcadian +25% Shaigi_WGA +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.550637
3 50% Swedish +25% Shaigi_WGA +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.600446
4 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 4.619689
5 50% Icelandic +25% Shaigi_WGA +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.628515
6 50% Norwegian +25% Shaigi_WGA +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.647168
7 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% SephardiJewTurkey +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 4.662034
8 50% Orcadian +25% SephardiJewTurkey +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 4.687103
9 50% Orcadian +25% Italian_Jewish +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 4.692261
10 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Algerian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.71578
11 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Tunisian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.717354
12 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Bulgarian_Jewish +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 4.723336
13 50% Polish_East +25% Shaigi_WGA +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.723678
14 50% Orcadian +25% Tunisian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.730753
15 50% Swedish +25% SephardiJewTurkey +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 4.734174
16 50% Orcadian +25% Libyan_Jew +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 4.737775
17 50% English_Kent_GBR +25% Libyan_Jew +25% Shaigi_WGA @ 4.738061
18 50% Scottish_Argyll_Bute_GBR +25% Shaigi_WGA +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.741098
19 50% Icelandic +25% Tunisian +25% Tunisian_Jewish @ 4.743442

Now, the most intriguing part (nMonte2 results):

[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
Amerindian Ancestor Steppe Indian Arctic
kikk 0.00650000 0.0000000 0.14430000 0.00050000 0.00000000
fitted 0.00505615 0.0019352 0.14238905 0.00361445 0.00249015
dif -0.00144385 0.0019352 -0.00191095 0.00311445 0.00249015
Australian Caucasian EastAfrican NorthEastEuropean
kikk 0.0000000 0.2053000 0.0352000 0.1758000
fitted 0.0026998 0.2033645 0.0331972 0.1736729
dif 0.0026998 -0.0019355 -0.0020028 -0.0021271
NearEast Neolithic NorthAfrican Oceanic Siberian
kikk 0.07530000 0.2207000 0.1137000 0.00630000 0.0000000
fitted 0.07349245 0.2190871 0.1118342 0.00479935 0.0043526
dif -0.00180755 -0.0016129 -0.0018658 -0.00150065 0.0043526
SouthEastAsian Subsaharian
kikk 0.00000000 0.01640000
fitted 0.00280595 0.01524235
dif 0.00280595 -0.00115765
[1] "distance%=0.9204 / distance=0.009204"

kikk
"Orcadian"15.6
"Tunisian_Jewish"12
"Ukrainian_West"11.25
"English_Kent_GBR"7.95
"Spanish_Canarias_IBS"7.1
"Polish_East"6.2
"Burbur_WGA"5.6
"Mozabite"5.2
"Lithuanian"4.05
"Spaniards"3.4
"BedouinB"3.25
"Yemenite_Jew"2.6
"Shaigi_WGA"2.45
"Ethiopian_Jew"2.35
"Italy_Abruzzo"1.65
"Somali"1.4
"Libyan_Jew"1.3
"Spanish_Extremadura_IBS"0.75
"Bulgarians"0.7
"Croatian"0.7
"Italian_Jewish"0.7
"Afar_WGA"0.6
"Macedonians"0.5
"Saharawi"0.5
"Croat-Croatia"0.3
"Icelandic"0.25
"Italian_Bergamo"0.25
"Kurd_WGA"0.2
"Montenegrian"0.2
"Kosovar"0.15
"Swedish"0.15
"SephardiJewTurkey"0.1
"Sorb"0.1
"Spanish_Andalucia_IBS"0.1
"Corsican"0.05
"French"0.05
"Italian_Tuscan"0.05
"Maltese"0.05
"Moroccan_Jew"0.05
"Portuguese"0.05
"Serbian_BH"0.05
"Sicilian"0.05

nMonte2 restricted

[1] "Ncycles= 1000"
Amerindian Ancestor Steppe Indian Arctic
kikk 0.0065000 0.0000000 0.1443000 0.00050000 0.00000000
fitted 0.0049708 0.0016113 0.1426526 0.00333625 0.00191365
dif -0.0015292 0.0016113 -0.0016474 0.00283625 0.00191365
Australian Caucasian EastAfrican NorthEastEuropean
kikk 0.0000000 0.20530000 0.03520000 0.1758000
fitted 0.0025513 0.20353755 0.03340935 0.1737569
dif 0.0025513 -0.00176245 -0.00179065 -0.0020431
NearEast Neolithic NorthAfrican Oceanic Siberian
kikk 0.07530000 0.22070000 0.11370000 0.00630000 0.0000000
fitted 0.07343645 0.21906095 0.11188645 0.00522775 0.0044359
dif -0.00186355 -0.00163905 -0.00181355 -0.00107225 0.0044359
SouthEastAsian Subsaharian
kikk 0.00000000 0.01640000
fitted 0.00311585 0.01510245
dif 0.00311585 -0.00129755
[1] "distance%=0.8833 / distance=0.008833"

kikk
"Tunisian_Jewish"19.65
"Ukrainian_West"18.7
"Orcadian"18.35
"Spanish_Canarias_IBS"11.1
"English_Kent_GBR"8.3
"Mozabite"5.8
"Burbur_WGA"4.85
"BedouinB"4.2
"Somali"3
"Lithuanian"2.25
"Ethiopian_Jew"1.4
"Shaigi_WGA"1.15
"Spaniards"0.9
"Yemenite_Jew"0.35
"Italy_Abruzzo"0
"Libyan_Jew"0
"Polish_East"0

Given these results, it is safe to make assumption that your father could be a mix between eastern and western Europeans (which is not so untypical for Americans). You score unusually high in Ukrainian_West/Lithuanian (18.7+8.3%) categories and that could theoretically imply ancestry from eastern Europe (circa 25%). Together with western European part of your ancestry (English_Kent + Orcadian) it would make a half of your ancestry (circa 50%). The rest known part of admixture - on your mom's side - is so obvious that it is not so necessary to reflect upon it.
MY CLOSEST ORACLE RESULTS (ONLY ORACLES WITHOUT ANCIENT POPULATIONS INCLUDED AND WITH GENETIC DISTANCE <3 AND WERE KEPT) :
1 Jew_France + Moroccan + CEU + Ukrainian-Center @ 0.927030 MDLP World
1 50% Icelandic +25% Libyan_Jew +25% Tunisian @ 2.518153 MDLP K23b
1 Algerian + BedouinA + British + Norwegian_West @ 2.072077 MDLP K23b
1 50% German-North +25% Jew_Italia +25% Moroccan @ 1.626955 MDLP World-22
1 Ashkenazim_V + Bulgarian + Moroccan + Swedish_V @ 1.338454 MDLP World-22
1 CEU + Morocco_Jews + Swedish + Sahara_OCC @ 1.618438 DODECAD V3
1 Orcadian + Moroccans + Morocco_Jews + Orkney @ 0.786353 DODECAD WORLD 9
1 Egyptans + Irish + Lithuanians + Moroccan @ 1.245447 DODECAD K7B
1 Algerian + British_Isles + Egyptans + Norwegian @ 2.582850 DODECAD K12B
1 morocco-jew + orcadian + saharawi + ukranian @ 1.484872 HARAPPA
1 Scottish_West + Ukrainian + Tunisian + Egyptian @ 1.474127 puntDNAL K10 Ancient
1 50% Dutch_North +25% Egyptian +25% Tunisian @ 1.878823 puntDNAL K12 Modern
1 BedouinA + German_North + Scottish_West + Tunisian @ 1.355784 puntDNAL K12 Modern
1 Belarusian + Austrian + Ashkenazy_Jew + Mozabite_Berber @ 2.520722 puntDNAL K15
1 Maltese + Russian + Spanish + Yemen @ 2.900741 GEDROSIA Eurasia K11 CHG-NAF
1 50% BedouinA +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.254189 Gedrosia K3
1 50% Armenian +25% Saudi +25% Yemen @ 0.000000 Gedrosia K3
1 French_South + Norwegian + Turkish + Yemen @ 2.734444 Gedrosia K11

Maguzanci

09-22-2016, 11:19 PM

Your mother seem to be genetically typical for Tunisian. It would be very cool to find out that your father is indeed originally from the US!! But why would an American move to Tunisia from the US along long time ago?? Thats very bizarre indeed.
Can you get your father test?

dddcc

09-23-2016, 04:34 PM

Yes it's strange, I won't afford to (at this point) test parents because it is very sensitive.

dddcc

09-23-2016, 04:35 PM

I was baffled by the fact that some of my closest oracles hypothetise me as 50%North European+25%North African +25% Jew and by my scoring of nearly 10% ashkenazi at FTDNA and Dna Land.
Afaik I dont have Jewish ancestors (all I came out with is that some of my northafrican ancestors bear surnames common to both Muslims and Jews such as Kammun and Besbes)
Do you agree with me that the showing up of jews in oracles of a half European half Northafrican mixed person is a hiatus due to calcs biase to perceive the combination of arab+european admixture as Jewish?

Maguzanci

09-23-2016, 07:46 PM

Yes it's strange, I won't afford to (at this point) test parents because it is very sensitive.

You mean your parents find it very sensitive? Can you test your sister?

Few other Tunisians that I know have tested is Darko from Anthrogenica. And there is this Tunisian friend of Stellaritic, the Algerian member there who he said has already done 23andme. Maybe you can ask Stellaritic to ask his Tunisian friend to do autosomal tests and compared the results?:http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?8501-R1b*-P25-in-Tunisia

Maguzanci

09-24-2016, 12:20 PM

Maguzanci

09-27-2016, 10:51 PM

Pondering again, your result is not that typical because you are genetically half North European when most Tunisians are genetically Northwest African. Although I think there are might be few more Tunisians who are half North Euro like you as well. But I think it is a lot easier to find Tunisians who are more South Euro or West Asian-shifted than North Euro admix.

Do you have any other matches in gedmatch from the Maghreb and do you know their results?

Also if you don't mind, can you try this Eurasia Geodrosia 10 CHG calculator: http://s1.zetaboards.com/anthroscape/topic/5917907/1/

Here is the averages: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-ObXiVfL-RzQzVxR0F0RDF1WlU/view

You can also compared yourself to this Tunisian: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5952-Post-Eurasia-10-CHG-Results&p=125117&viewfull=1#post125117

Tunisian:

# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_Farmers 26.10
2 SW_Asian 20.95
3 CHG 20.01
4 WHG 15.05
5 W_African 13.62
6 EHG 2.54
7 E_Asian 1.15

Also can you try West Eurasia K8 please? Here are the averages as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1kd9Q9vFrL1Cra9ayqMYVFKXrUdnThmQJVMtjczLhoTs/edit#gid=74932529 and https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1JVGdg2UsN3jYWgaoxAZu-QsAmuCaq3kT7FvqSXwUsAA/pubhtml

** But if I remember correctly, you will have to contact Longbowman and donate $20 to get your K8 results. So it is your choice.

used2bwhite

09-27-2016, 11:01 PM

DNA-land is horrible, I wouldn't take it as reference.

dddcc

09-27-2016, 11:27 PM

Maguzanci

09-27-2016, 11:41 PM

Wrong

09-27-2016, 11:46 PM

DNALAND IS UTTER SHIT, IT PUTS ME AT 98% BALKAN 2% NW EURO.

Dick

09-27-2016, 11:49 PM

DNALAND IS UTTER SHIT, IT PUTS ME AT 98% BALKAN 2% NW EURO.

DNALAND AND THE JEW OWNER BELONG IN THE ...

TRASH COMPACTOR

http://novarefilmblog.com/uploads/3/2/2/8/3228890/2110930_orig.jpg

Wrong

09-27-2016, 11:50 PM

DNALAND AND THE JEW OWNER BELONG IN THE ...

TRASH COMPACTOR

http://novarefilmblog.com/uploads/3/2/2/8/3228890/2110930_orig.jpg
DONOT FORGET THE JEWISH INFESTED 23ANDME WITH A CLEAR ANTI-SOUTH EURO AGENDA

REPTILOID DEGENERATES ALL THE BUNCH CLAIMING ALL HAPLOGROUPS AS JEWISH

dddcc

09-27-2016, 11:52 PM

Here are my oracles; IMO this k10 calculator is more enlightening than the k8 calc

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Tuscan @ 13.988631
2 Albanian @ 14.249034
3 Bulgarian @ 14.262982
4 Sicilian @ 15.324449
5 Greek @ 15.413836
6 Maltese @ 15.550697
7 Spanish @ 16.441496
8 Croatian @ 18.111122
9 French @ 19.484943
10 Hungarian @ 20.581718
11 French_South @ 22.167126
12 Czech @ 24.009209
13 English @ 24.082249
14 Scottish @ 24.503084
15 Ukrainian @ 26.155296
16 Norwegian @ 26.695625
17 Icelandic @ 27.554800
18 Tatars @ 28.403055
19 Cypriot @ 28.707788
20 Sardinian @ 28.727489

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% BedouinA +50% Icelandic @ 6.775018

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Spanish +25% Ukrainian +25% Yemen @ 5.605707

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 RISE_baSin + Sardinian + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.982651
2 Finnish + Maltese + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.304187
3 Finnish + Sicilian + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.335024
4 Finnish + French_South + Maltese + Yemen @ 4.607855
5 Estonian + Maltese + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.679283
6 Estonian + Sicilian + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.700286
7 Croatian + RISE_baSin + Sardinian + Yemen @ 4.769310
8 Finnish + French_South + Sicilian + Yemen @ 4.788800
9 French + RISE_baSin + Sardinian + Yemen @ 4.790996
10 Bulgarian + RISE_baSin + Sardinian + Yemen @ 4.801334
11 Lithuanian + Maltese + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.813033
12 Lithuanian + Sicilian + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.833743
13 RISE_baSin + Sardinian + Tuscan + Yemen @ 4.848908
14 Karelia + Sicilian + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.865938
15 Karelia + Maltese + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.877578
16 French_South + RISE_baSin + Sardinian + Yemen @ 4.940996
17 Finnish + Spanish + Tuscan + Yemen @ 4.941366
18 Albanian + RISE_baSin + Sardinian + Yemen @ 5.066015
19 Estonian + French_South + Maltese + Yemen @ 5.092224
20 Finnish + Greek + Spanish + Yemen @ 5.122666

Dick

09-27-2016, 11:54 PM

Longbowman

09-28-2016, 01:09 AM

** But if I remember correctly, you will have to contact Longbowman and donate $20 to get your K8 results. So it is your choice.

Feel free to give me $20 but only Davidski can give you your Eurogenes results.

dddcc

09-28-2016, 08:59 AM

FAGGOT STOP TRYING TO PASS OFF AS PURE TUNISIAN. UR DAD IS BRITISH

I never said that I was a pure Tunisian.
I just took a look at my gedmatch matches (around 2000) and I found 3 people with Arabic surnames.

dddcc

09-28-2016, 06:49 PM

This afternoon I played a bit with some of my close gedmatch matches, and I discovered that my 10 top matches (+35cM shared block&/+100cm common segments) showed similar oracle results to mine (all of them scored some kind of Scandinavian/Germanic/British+Slavic/Hungarian combination!)
For example herein the MDLP World 4-Ancestors Oracle results of my closest match:

# Population Percent
1 South_and_West_European 44.18
2 North_and_East_European 39.72
3 Caucaus_Parsia 10.92
4 Middle_East 3.05

Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Hungarian @ 2.908623
2 German_V @ 2.921040
3 Austrian @ 3.436696
4 Slovenian @ 3.810936
5 Croatian @ 3.916336
6 CEU_V @ 4.976746
7 Bosnian @ 5.348759
8 CEU @ 6.193213
9 Czech @ 6.208471
10 German @ 6.362405
11 German-North @ 6.465960
12 Welsh @ 6.932231
13 Norwegian_V @ 7.054050
14 British @ 7.126049
15 Slovakian @ 7.728758
16 Orcadian @ 7.749388
17 Croatian_V @ 7.813251
18 German-South @ 8.350851
19 Serbian @ 9.153135
20 Swedish @ 9.167397

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Hungarian +50% German_V @ 2.380682

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German-North +25% Norwegian_V +25% Gagauz @ 1.786555

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Russian_South + Gagauz + CEU + British @ 1.618359
2 Russian_South + Gagauz + CEU + CEU @ 1.648438
3 Russian_South + Gagauz + CEU + Orcadian @ 1.682016
4 Russian_South + Gagauz + British + British @ 1.692806
5 Ukrainian-East + Gagauz + CEU + Orcadian @ 1.696765
6 Russian_South + Welsh + Gagauz + British @ 1.701292
7 Ukrainian-East + Gagauz + CEU + British @ 1.718501
8 Norwegian_V + Gagauz + Ukrainian-Center + British @ 1.722973
9 German-North + Norwegian_V + Norwegian_V + Gagauz @ 1.728688
10 Russian_South + Gagauz + Orcadian + British @ 1.731813
11 Russian_South + Welsh + Gagauz + CEU @ 1.741915
12 Ukrainian-East + Welsh + Gagauz + British @ 1.744253
13 Ukrainian-East + Gagauz + CEU + CEU @ 1.750061
14 Russian_South + Romania + German_V + German_V @ 1.772144
15 Ukrainian-East + Kosovar + CEU + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.775100
16 Ukrainian-East + Welsh + Gagauz + CEU @ 1.777067
17 Latvian_V + Norwegian_V + Serbian + British @ 1.780527
18 Russian_South + Kosovar + CEU + Ukrainian-Center @ 1.782954
19 Ukrainian-East + Gagauz + Orcadian + British @ 1.784917
20 German-North + German-North + Norwegian_V + Gagauz @ 1.786555

Done.

Elapsed time 0.6357 second

Then I run the results of my closest Arab match (not only he has an Arabic muslim name and surname but his surname is very common in Tunisia and is shared by some distant cousins of my maternal side) and his results are intriguing:

MDLP World 4-Ancestors Oracle
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 33.62
2 South_and_West_European 33.51
3 Sub_Saharian 15.19
4 Caucaus_Parsia 10.16
5 North_and_East_European 5.18

Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jew_Algeria @ 14.787292
2 Jew_Libya @ 14.814877
3 Jew_Morocco @ 15.078167
4 Jew_Tunisia @ 15.865364
5 Mozabite @ 15.889519
6 Jew_Italia @ 18.068054
7 Sephardim @ 18.156116
8 Jew_France @ 18.307011
9 Ashkenazim @ 18.538860
10 Moroccan @ 19.106161
11 Sicilian @ 22.543270
12 Jordanian @ 22.707367
13 Jew_Syria @ 22.851128
14 Jew_Romania @ 22.994703
15 Costanoan @ 23.551243
16 Greek_Cretan @ 23.950993
17 Egyptian @ 24.198656
18 Cypriot @ 24.411804
19 Palestinian @ 25.192057
20 Italian-South @ 26.044600

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Romania +50% Moroccan @ 3.230291

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Moroccan +25% Syrian +25% Corsican @ 1.106903

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Moroccan + Moroccan + Syrian + Corsican @ 1.106903
2 Moroccan + Moroccan + Kosovar + Palestinian @ 1.458558
3 Mozabite + Jordanian + Moroccan + Italian-North @ 1.495961
4 Greek_North + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.504046
5 Mozabite + Jordanian + Moroccan + Kosovar @ 1.584491
6 Lebanese + Moroccan + Moroccan + Corsican @ 1.629839
7 Jew_Libya + Greek_North + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.657470
8 Cypriot + Ashkenazim_V + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.658252
9 Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Moroccan + Greek_South @ 1.673562
10 Jew_Algeria + Greek_North + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.681040
11 Jordanian + Moroccan + Moroccan + Kosovar @ 1.699156
12 Jew_Romania + Jew_Italia + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.718916
13 Jew_Algeria + Jew_Romania + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.772056
14 Jew_Algeria + Moroccan + Moroccan + Greek_South @ 1.792504
15 Lebanese + Moroccan + Moroccan + Italian-North @ 1.810160
16 Moroccan + Moroccan + Syrian + Italian-North @ 1.814036
17 Jew_Romania + Sephardim + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.831417
18 Jew_Georgia + Moroccan + Moroccan + Portugese @ 1.838151
19 Greek_Center + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.876966
20 Moroccan + Moroccan + Druze + Corsican @ 1.877762

Done.

Elapsed time 0.5075 seconds.

Herein the results of my second arab match (he has a gulf Arabic and clearly muslim sounding name and surname, in fact his name is usama)

MDLP World 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 46.69
2 South_and_West_European 19.18
3 Caucaus_Parsia 16.71
4 Sub_Saharian 14.97

Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Egyptian @ 4.873339
2 Jordanian @ 11.066445
3 Palestinian @ 12.142479
4 Yemen @ 12.556048
5 Samaritian @ 18.135691
6 Syrian @ 20.749315
7 Jew_Libya @ 21.009182
8 Bedouin @ 21.866493
9 Lebanese @ 22.916117
10 Jew_Tunisia @ 23.352531
11 Mozabite @ 23.430199
12 Moroccan @ 23.887238
13 Druze @ 23.914793
14 Jew_Algeria @ 24.935894
15 Jew_Syria @ 24.964518
16 Iraqi @ 25.332045
17 Jew_Morocco @ 25.864738
18 Jew_Georgia @ 27.262508
19 Jew-Iraqi @ 28.272469
20 Jew_Iraqi @ 28.790359

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanian +50% Egyptian @ 4.184539

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jordanian +25% Moroccan +25% Bedouin @ 1.731600

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Jew-Iraqi + Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew-Ethiopia @ 1.589668
2 Jew_Georgia + Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew-Ethiopia @ 1.729528
3 Jordanian + Jordanian + Moroccan + Bedouin @ 1.731600
4 Jew_Iraqi + Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew-Ethiopia @ 1.750819
5 Jew-Iraqi + Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew_Ethiopia @ 1.761070
6 Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew-Ethiopia + Jew_Azerbaijan @ 1.822252
7 Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew_Ethiopia + Jew_Azerbaijan @ 1.824493
8 Jew_Georgia + Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew_Ethiopia @ 1.835200
9 Jew_Iraqi + Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew_Ethiopia @ 1.881926
10 Moroccan + Bedouin + Egyptian + Jew_Azerbaijan @ 1.885808
11 Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew-Ethiopia + Jew_Tat @ 1.908078
12 Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew_Tat + Jew_Ethiopia @ 1.916727
13 Jew-Iraqi + Samaritian + Mozabite + Ethiopian @ 1.926463
14 Samaritian + Mozabite + Jew-Ethiopia + Jew-Iran @ 1.927531
15 Cypriot + Jew-Ethiopia + Egyptian + Palestinian @ 1.982163
16 Jew-Uzbekistan + Moroccan + Bedouin + Egyptian @ 1.994391
17 Samaritian + Jew-Uzbekistan + Mozabite + Jew_Ethiopia @ 1.995400
18 Moroccan + Jew_Tat + Bedouin + Egyptian @ 2.005446
19 Samaritian + Jew-Uzbekistan + Mozabite + Jew-Ethiopia @ 2.009664
20 Samaritian + Jew_Kurd + Mozabite + Jew-Ethiopia @ 2.033740

Done.

Elapsed time 0.2328 seconds.

My (very distant though) third arab match (her name and surname are muslim but generic arabic : could be from anywhere in the arab world)

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 35.81
2 South_and_West_European 34.01
3 Sub_Saharian 14.06
4 Caucaus_Parsia 9.90
5 North_and_East_European 4.71
6 Paleo_African 1.07

Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jew_Libya @ 13.266944
2 Jew_Morocco @ 13.693876
3 Jew_Algeria @ 13.977062
4 Jew_Tunisia @ 14.742867
5 Mozabite @ 15.237975
6 Sephardim @ 17.463709
7 Jew_Italia @ 17.592617
8 Jew_France @ 17.839329
9 Ashkenazim @ 18.774376
10 Moroccan @ 19.067949
11 Jordanian @ 22.152967
12 Jew_Syria @ 22.400835
13 Sicilian @ 22.878323
14 Egyptian @ 23.099703
15 Jew_Romania @ 23.554770
16 Cypriot @ 24.022642
17 Palestinian @ 24.064220
18 Greek_Cretan @ 24.255962
19 Costanoan @ 24.316330
20 Italian-South @ 26.500805

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Italia +50% Moroccan @ 1.965400

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Mozabite +25% Jordanian +25% Italian-North @ 1.704112

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Samaritian + Moroccan + Moroccan + Kosovar @ 1.140826
2 Jew_Romania + Mozabite + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan @ 1.198886
3 Jew_Romania + Mozabite + Jew_Libya + Moroccan @ 1.255425
4 Mozabite + Moroccan + Italian-North + Palestinian @ 1.345286
5 Greek_East + Jew-Ethiopia + Sardinian + Egyptian @ 1.396000
6 Jew_Algeria + Jew_Romania + Mozabite + Moroccan @ 1.482352
7 Jew_Romania + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.523869
8 Jew_Libya + Moroccan + Moroccan + Greek_East @ 1.551656
9 Greek_East + Sardinian + Egyptian + Ethiopian @ 1.569981
10 Jew_Libya + Moroccan + Moroccan + Italian-Center @ 1.595051
11 Greek_Center + Jew-Ethiopia + Sardinian + Egyptian @ 1.629329
12 Greek_East + Sardinian + Egyptian + Jew_Ethiopia @ 1.636636
13 Mozabite + Jew_Libya + Moroccan + Greek_East @ 1.651228
14 Greek_Center + Jew_Libya + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.665323
15 Mozabite + Mozabite + Jordanian + Italian-North @ 1.704112
16 Jew_Romania + Sephardim + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.706264
17 Samaritian + Moroccan + Moroccan + Corsican @ 1.723290
18 Mozabite + Moroccan + Corsican + Palestinian @ 1.724960
19 Jew-Ethiopia + Sardinian + Egyptian + Italian-Center @ 1.740528
20 Jew_Algeria + Jew_Romania + Moroccan + Moroccan @ 1.759201

Done.

Finally, I realized that some surnames of my gedmatch matches could be Jewish (I'm not an expert on Jewish surnames and know that a great part of Jews have similar surnames to their European or Arab hosts but some of the surnames sounded uneuropean and unarabic to me) like those ones:

mitzi
bourassa
Hagopian
shamash
koundakjian
nati
ariz

dddcc

09-28-2016, 07:02 PM

It seems I was right about the Jewish origin of some surnames (but mistaken about some of them who scored typical European results) , for example here are the results of one of them:

MDLP World 4-Ancestors Oracle
This program is based on 4-Ancestors Oracle Version 0.96 by Alexandr Burnashev.
Questions about results should be sent to him at: Alexandr.Burnashev@gmail.com
Original concept proposed by Sergey Kozlov.
Many thanks to Alexandr for helping us get this web version developed.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Middle_East 35.90
2 South_and_West_European 35.16
3 Sub_Saharian 13.48
4 Caucaus_Parsia 10.47
5 North_and_East_European 3.75
6 North_Asian 1.10

Finished reading population data. 257 populations found.
12 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Jew_Libya @ 12.344421
2 Jew_Morocco @ 12.470720
3 Jew_Algeria @ 12.922905
4 Jew_Tunisia @ 13.740652
5 Mozabite @ 15.852479
6 Sephardim @ 16.308949
7 Jew_Italia @ 16.588686
8 Jew_France @ 16.834402
9 Ashkenazim @ 18.110136
10 Moroccan @ 19.938162
11 Jew_Syria @ 21.673923
12 Sicilian @ 22.088945
13 Jordanian @ 22.294197
14 Cypriot @ 23.007502
15 Jew_Romania @ 23.199717
16 Greek_Cretan @ 23.449123
17 Egyptian @ 23.737364
18 Palestinian @ 24.019926
19 Costanoan @ 24.394581
20 Italian-South @ 25.712421

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Italia +50% Moroccan @ 1.927314

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Jew_Italia +25% Mozabite +25% Moroccan @ 1.490793

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Mozabite + Moroccan + Jew_Morocco + Greek_Cretan @ 1.263939
2 Jew_Algeria + Mozabite + Moroccan + Greek_Cretan @ 1.305945
3 Mozabite + Jew_Libya + Moroccan + Greek_East @ 1.328923
4 Samaritian + Mozabite + Moroccan + Kosovar @ 1.380034
5 Mozabite + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Greek_Cretan @ 1.392472
6 Mozabite + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Sicilian @ 1.414401
7 Jew_Italia + Jew_Italia + Mozabite + Moroccan @ 1.490793
8 Jew_Algeria + Mozabite + Mozabite + Greek_Cretan @ 1.540610
9 Mozabite + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Greek_East @ 1.550094
10 Mozabite + Sephardim + Moroccan + Greek_Cretan @ 1.556120
11 Jew_Italia + Mozabite + Moroccan + Greek_Cretan @ 1.557161
12 Mozabite + Mozabite + Jew_Libya + Greek_Cretan @ 1.609900
13 Mozabite + Jew_Libya + Moroccan + Italian-South @ 1.630892
14 Jew_Italia + Mozabite + Jew_France + Moroccan @ 1.649537
15 Mozabite + Mozabite + Jew_Tunisia + Greek_Cretan @ 1.655363
16 Mozabite + Jew_Libya + Moroccan + Italian-Center @ 1.660611
17 Mozabite + Jew_Tunisia + Moroccan + Italian-South @ 1.671305
18 Mozabite + Jew_Libya + Moroccan + Greek_Cretan @ 1.671312
19 Mozabite + Greek_Center + Jew_Libya + Moroccan @ 1.691238
20 Mozabite + Jew_France + Moroccan + Greek_Cretan @ 1.694403

Maguzanci

09-29-2016, 06:31 AM

Thanks a lot Sarkin:thumb001: , finally I found the results of another Tunisian.
BTW here are my Eurasia K10 CHG results
1 WHG 26.63
2 Anatolian_Farmers 20.65
3 CHG 17.52
4 SW_Asian 16.78
5 EHG 9.36
6 W_African 6.92
7 S_Indian 0.92
8 E_Asian 0.68
9 Papuan 0.37
10 Amerindian 0.15

Sorry. I remember it wrongly, it is Davidski that you have to contact not Longbowman.

** It is your choice if you want to though. From what I read, you have to donate $20 to Davidski/Polako and email him your genome to get your results. Although Im not sure has it changed yet or not.

You can contact Davidski Davidski/Polako/Generalissimo in Forumbiodiversity and in Anthrogenica if you want to get your Eurasia K8 results.

Again, it is your choice if you want the result or not. Don't have to force yourself.

Btw here are some more North African results that you might be interested to compared with:

Another Tunisian result

CHG 15.48%
Amerindian -
W_African 22.60%
Papuan 1.14%
SW_Asian 23.68%
S_Indian 1.12%
E_Asian 0.35%
WHG 13.48%
Anatolian_Farmers 22.14%
EHG -

As you can see, you see this Tunisian sample seem to have a lot higher SSA than you; 16% increase in W African compared to your result. Also this sample has a lot less WHG and EHG than you. From what I know, this sample is from Western Tunisia probably Kasserine or El Kef I think. Your results to be a lot closer to the first Tunisian result I posted.

More Maghrebi results for you to compared your results with:
Algerian from Laghouat

# Population Percent
1 SW_Asian 29.47
2 Anatolian_Farmers 22.56
3 W_African 17.49
4 CHG 14.96
5 WHG 12.08
6 EHG 1.78

Moroccan: I don't know where he/she is from

Moroccan:

# Population Percent
1 Anatolian_Farmers 26.04
2 SW_Asian 24.72
3 WHG 17.06
4 W_African 16.61
5 CHG 14.56

Coptic Egyptian (a member in anthrogenica)

#Population Percent
1 SW_Asian 31.46
2 Anatolian_Farmers 25.95
3 CHG 25.39
4 W_African 9.59
5 WHG 7.39

A Riffian Berber from Morocco. (He is a member here but unfortunately is inactive since the crash)

1 Anatolian_Farmers 26.54
2 SW_Asian 21.15
3 WHG 20.87
4 CHG 15.66
5 W_African 10.12
6 EHG 2.51
7 Papuan 1.43
8 E_Asian 1.34

What is interesting is that he score very low W African/SSA compared to other NW Africans and more similar to the amount of W African/SSA that you have. If you noticed, he also seem to have elevated WHG and slightly more EHG than other NW Africans/Maghrebians.

Another half North African half Euro result. He is half Kabyle Algerian from his paternal side. He is a member in anthrogenica as well:

# Population Percent
1 WHG 26.97
2 Anatolian_Farmers 24.05
3 CHG 18.13
4 SW_Asian 12.47
5 W_African 9.16
6 EHG 6.91
7 S_Indian 2.10

You seem to be most genetically similar to him out of all the results I posted!
If you noticed, the Riffian member score W African/SSA in amounts similar to those who are half Northwest African half European than a fully Maghrebian. This is what I found very peculiar and intriguing!!! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

If you don't mind, can you also try this one more calculator?: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6112-Post-Eurasia-9-ASI-CHG-results

Also how much did you get in Gedrosia K3 calculator?: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5727-Eurasia-K3-Calculator

Maguzanci

09-29-2016, 10:59 PM

dddcc

10-02-2016, 07:22 AM

Sorry. I remember it wrongly, it is Davidski that you have to contact not Longbowman.

** It is your choice if you want to though. From what I read, you have to donate $20 to Davidski/Polako and email him your genome to get your results. Although Im not sure has it changed yet or not.

You can contact Davidski Davidski/Polako/Generalissimo in Forumbiodiversity and in Anthrogenica if you want to get your Eurasia K8 results.

Again, it is your choice if you want the result or not. Don't have to force yourself.

Btw here are some more North African results that you might be interested to compared with:

Another Tunisian result

As you can see, you see this Tunisian sample seem to have a lot higher SSA than you; 16% increase in W African compared to your result. Also this sample has a lot less WHG and EHG than you. From what I know, this sample is from Western Tunisia probably Kasserine or El Kef I think. Your results to be a lot closer to the first Tunisian result I posted.

More Maghrebi results for you to compared your results with:
Algerian from Laghouat

Moroccan: I don't know where he/she is from

Coptic Egyptian (a member in anthrogenica)

A Riffian Berber from Morocco. (He is a member here but unfortunately is inactive since the crash)

What is interesting is that he score very low W African/SSA compared to other NW Africans and more similar to the amount of W African/SSA that you have. If you noticed, he also seem to have elevated WHG and slightly more EHG than other NW Africans/Maghrebians.

Another half North African half Euro result. He is half Kabyle Algerian from his paternal side. He is a member in anthrogenica as well:

You seem to be most genetically similar to him out of all the results I posted!
If you noticed, the Riffian member score W African/SSA in amounts similar to those who are half Northwest African half European than a fully Maghrebian. This is what I found very peculiar and intriguing!!! :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:

If you don't mind, can you also try this one more calculator?: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?6112-Post-Eurasia-9-ASI-CHG-results

Also how much did you get in Gedrosia K3 calculator?: http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?5727-Eurasia-K3-Calculator

Thanks a lot Sarkin for the results you posted:thumb001:!
I'm sorry I can't answer you earlier (my job does not leave my with much free time)
Here my Eurasia 9 ASI / CHG results
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 26.45
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.75
3 SW_Asian 18.81
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 13.02
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.30
6 W_African 6.92
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.76

Finished reading population data. 118 populations found.
9 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 11.088002
2 Greek @ 12.261185
3 Tuscan @ 12.476367
4 Bulgarian @ 12.774364
5 Maltese @ 13.439183
6 Sicilian @ 13.937675
7 Spanish @ 16.119913
8 Croatian @ 18.475870
9 French @ 19.793043
10 Hungarian @ 21.334343
11 French_South @ 22.478407
12 Scottish @ 24.817192
13 English @ 24.866549
14 Turkish @ 24.952972
15 Czech @ 26.017776
16 Tatars @ 26.729702
17 Ukrainian @ 27.133114
18 Cypriot @ 27.328547
19 Norwegian @ 27.997526
20 Sardinian @ 28.306303

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +50% RISE_baBb @ 7.151361

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Finnish +25% Yemen @ 4.359721

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_South + Maltese + RISE_baUne + Yemen @ 3.619099
2 French_South + RISE_baUne + Sicilian + Yemen @ 3.709404
3 Greek + RISE_baBb + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.714764
4 Maltese + RISE_baSca + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.735140
5 French + Maltese + RISE_baSca + Yemen @ 3.802504
6 RISE_baUne + Spanish + Tuscan + Yemen @ 3.844543
7 RISE_baSca + Sicilian + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.851608
8 Croatian + Maltese + RISE_baSca + Yemen @ 3.890281
9 French_South + Maltese + RISE_baSca + Yemen @ 3.908854
10 Bulgarian + RISE_baBb + Tuscan + Yemen @ 3.911556
11 Albanian + RISE_baBb + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.937391
12 Sardinian + Scythian_IA + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.008800
13 RISE_baBb + Spanish + Tuscan + Yemen @ 4.009279
14 French_South + RISE_baBb + Sicilian + Yemen @ 4.057385
15 Greek + RISE_baUne + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.058674
16 Albanian + Bulgarian + RISE_baBb + Yemen @ 4.060941
17 RISE_baBb + Sicilian + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.063447
18 French + RISE_baBb + Sicilian + Yemen @ 4.076358
19 Greek + RISE_baSca + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.089758
20 Albanian + RISE_baUne + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.112221

Done.

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And here my Gedrosia K3 calculator
Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 88.80
2 SSA 8.84
3 E_Eurasian 2.35

Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lebanese @ 0.942475
2 Saudi @ 1.758721
3 Syrian @ 1.781404
4 Yemenite_Jew @ 2.356043
5 Palestinian @ 2.464936
6 Jordanian @ 2.922666
7 Iraqi_Jew @ 7.031075
8 Iranian_Jew @ 7.604597
9 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 7.775145
10 Kurd_C @ 8.041650
11 Assyrian @ 8.058653
12 Georgian_Jew @ 8.266745
13 BedouinA @ 8.300377
14 Kurd_N @ 8.616857
15 Sicilian @ 8.881361
16 Cypriot @ 8.903636
17 Armenian @ 9.099840
18 Iranian @ 9.589253
19 Georgian @ 10.243628
20 Abkhasian @ 10.245951

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% BedouinA +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.254189
2 50% BedouinA +50% Iranian_Jew @ 0.441401
3 50% Armenian +50% BedouinA @ 0.676892
4 50% Lebanese +50% Saudi @ 0.725638
5 50% Assyrian +50% BedouinA @ 0.733104
6 50% Lebanese +50% Palestinian @ 0.764496
7 50% Lebanese +50% Syrian @ 0.809663
8 50% Saudi +50% Syrian @ 0.822144
9 50% Lebanese +50% Yemenite_Jew @ 0.921551
10 50% Lebanese +50% Lebanese @ 0.942475
11 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% BedouinA @ 0.949171
12 50% BedouinA +50% Georgian @ 1.023414
13 50% Jordanian +50% Lebanese @ 1.108458
14 50% Syrian +50% Yemenite_Jew @ 1.163041
15 50% Abkhasian +50% BedouinA @ 1.244583
16 50% BedouinA +50% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.271372
17 50% BedouinA +50% Belarusian @ 1.465971
18 50% BedouinA +50% Estonian @ 1.496965
19 50% BedouinA +50% Ukrainian @ 1.498445
20 50% BedouinA +50% Bulgarian @ 1.561100

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Saudi +25% Yemen @ 0.000000

Done.

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Maguzanci

10-03-2016, 04:53 PM

Thanks a lot Sarkin for the results you posted:thumb001:!
I'm sorry I can't answer you earlier (my job does not leave my with much free time)
Here my Eurasia 9 ASI / CHG results
Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 WHG 26.45
2 Early_Neolithic_Farmers 23.75
3 SW_Asian 18.81
4 Caucausus_Hunter_Gatherer 13.02
5 Eastern_Hunter_Gatherer 9.30
6 W_African 6.92
7 Siberian_E_Asian 1.76

Finished reading population data. 118 populations found.
9 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Albanian @ 11.088002
2 Greek @ 12.261185
3 Tuscan @ 12.476367
4 Bulgarian @ 12.774364
5 Maltese @ 13.439183
6 Sicilian @ 13.937675
7 Spanish @ 16.119913
8 Croatian @ 18.475870
9 French @ 19.793043
10 Hungarian @ 21.334343
11 French_South @ 22.478407
12 Scottish @ 24.817192
13 English @ 24.866549
14 Turkish @ 24.952972
15 Czech @ 26.017776
16 Tatars @ 26.729702
17 Ukrainian @ 27.133114
18 Cypriot @ 27.328547
19 Norwegian @ 27.997526
20 Sardinian @ 28.306303

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Lebanese +50% RISE_baBb @ 7.151361

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Albanian +25% Finnish +25% Yemen @ 4.359721

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 French_South + Maltese + RISE_baUne + Yemen @ 3.619099
2 French_South + RISE_baUne + Sicilian + Yemen @ 3.709404
3 Greek + RISE_baBb + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.714764
4 Maltese + RISE_baSca + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.735140
5 French + Maltese + RISE_baSca + Yemen @ 3.802504
6 RISE_baUne + Spanish + Tuscan + Yemen @ 3.844543
7 RISE_baSca + Sicilian + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.851608
8 Croatian + Maltese + RISE_baSca + Yemen @ 3.890281
9 French_South + Maltese + RISE_baSca + Yemen @ 3.908854
10 Bulgarian + RISE_baBb + Tuscan + Yemen @ 3.911556
11 Albanian + RISE_baBb + Spanish + Yemen @ 3.937391
12 Sardinian + Scythian_IA + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.008800
13 RISE_baBb + Spanish + Tuscan + Yemen @ 4.009279
14 French_South + RISE_baBb + Sicilian + Yemen @ 4.057385
15 Greek + RISE_baUne + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.058674
16 Albanian + Bulgarian + RISE_baBb + Yemen @ 4.060941
17 RISE_baBb + Sicilian + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.063447
18 French + RISE_baBb + Sicilian + Yemen @ 4.076358
19 Greek + RISE_baSca + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.089758
20 Albanian + RISE_baUne + Spanish + Yemen @ 4.112221

Done.

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And here my Gedrosia K3 calculator
Eurasia K3 Oracle

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 W_Eurasian 88.80
2 SSA 8.84
3 E_Eurasian 2.35

Finished reading population data. 129 populations found.
3 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Lebanese @ 0.942475
2 Saudi @ 1.758721
3 Syrian @ 1.781404
4 Yemenite_Jew @ 2.356043
5 Palestinian @ 2.464936
6 Jordanian @ 2.922666
7 Iraqi_Jew @ 7.031075
8 Iranian_Jew @ 7.604597
9 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 7.775145
10 Kurd_C @ 8.041650
11 Assyrian @ 8.058653
12 Georgian_Jew @ 8.266745
13 BedouinA @ 8.300377
14 Kurd_N @ 8.616857
15 Sicilian @ 8.881361
16 Cypriot @ 8.903636
17 Armenian @ 9.099840
18 Iranian @ 9.589253
19 Georgian @ 10.243628
20 Abkhasian @ 10.245951

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% BedouinA +50% Georgian_Jew @ 0.254189
2 50% BedouinA +50% Iranian_Jew @ 0.441401
3 50% Armenian +50% BedouinA @ 0.676892
4 50% Lebanese +50% Saudi @ 0.725638
5 50% Assyrian +50% BedouinA @ 0.733104
6 50% Lebanese +50% Palestinian @ 0.764496
7 50% Lebanese +50% Syrian @ 0.809663
8 50% Saudi +50% Syrian @ 0.822144
9 50% Lebanese +50% Yemenite_Jew @ 0.921551
10 50% Lebanese +50% Lebanese @ 0.942475
11 50% Ashkenazi_Jew +50% BedouinA @ 0.949171
12 50% BedouinA +50% Georgian @ 1.023414
13 50% Jordanian +50% Lebanese @ 1.108458
14 50% Syrian +50% Yemenite_Jew @ 1.163041
15 50% Abkhasian +50% BedouinA @ 1.244583
16 50% BedouinA +50% Iraqi_Jew @ 1.271372
17 50% BedouinA +50% Belarusian @ 1.465971
18 50% BedouinA +50% Estonian @ 1.496965
19 50% BedouinA +50% Ukrainian @ 1.498445
20 50% BedouinA +50% Bulgarian @ 1.561100

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Armenian +25% Saudi +25% Yemen @ 0.000000

Done.

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You welcome!!! :D

What is the lowest SSA score that you got in all calculators? Also have you find where your North European ancestry may come from?

From what it seems you score less SSA than the half Kabyle member in anthrogenica, Egyptian copts but around same level as the Saudi Arabian Bedouin member in anthrogenica.

I will post some of their results.

dddcc

10-03-2016, 08:02 PM

The lowest SSA I got are around 3% on Eurogenes and DNALAND

Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin

10-03-2016, 08:06 PM

Tunisians typically score lower among all the berbers for SSA but this makes sense since phonecians settled there + vikings. Plus its probably where Exhiled Iberians were landed at since its close.

Maguzanci

10-03-2016, 09:15 PM

The lowest SSA I got are around 3% on Eurogenes and DNALAND

Can you post the 3% SSA results on Eurogenes if you don't mind please?

What do you think is your average SSA score?

Based on the Tunisian results posted by a half Kabyle member on anthrogenica, they seem to be considerably more South Euro or West Asian-shifted than most Maghrebians as they have Caucasus, minor EHG and lower SSA. But this maybe true of only Coastal Tunisians as Inland and Southern Tunisians from isolated villages likely score 20-25% SSA like the member on anthrogenica. (It is strange because he come from around coastal area but score more like isolated Berbers from South)

dddcc

10-03-2016, 09:29 PM

Tunisians typically score lower among all the berbers for SSA but this makes sense since phonecians settled there + vikings. Plus its probably where Exhiled Iberians were landed at since its close.

From what I have seen Algerian Kabyles are the Maghrebis scoring lowest SSA.
AFAIK moors settled also in Morocco and Algeria and Phoenicians did have settlements in the whole Maghreb coastal region.
As for Vandals they were also widespread in Algeria and I 've read that a good part of them ended settling up the Algerian town of Bejaia where they probably melted with the locals.

dddcc

10-03-2016, 09:39 PM

Can you post the 3% SSA results on Eurogenes if you don't mind please?

What do you think is your average SSA score?

Based on the Tunisian results posted by rz1706, they seem to be considerably more South Euro or West Asian-shifted than most Maghrebians as they have Caucasus, minor EHG and lower SSA. But this maybe true of only Coastal Tunisians as Inland and Southern Tunisians from isolated villages likely score 20-25% SSA like the member on anthrogenica. (It is strange because he come from around coastal area but score more like isolated Berbers from South)

Actually I will stick to my 6% SSA score shown by FTDNA rather than the 3% of DNA LAND or the 8-10% of PUNT DNAL calcs, however my stance may very well change on the light of more recent and accurate studies.
I think the autosomal dichtomy in Tunisia is more pre hilali-vs-post hilali arabic based than a coastal-vs-inland one since there exists post hilali arabic speaking Tunisians in most of the coastal countrysides and there are some pre hilali arabic speaking inland enclaves.
That's said, there is actually a homogenising trend due to rural exodus and intermarriages.

dddcc

10-03-2016, 09:41 PM

Here my Eurogenes K13 Oracle results:
K13 Oracle ref data revised 21 Nov 2013

Kit T319622

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 32.12
2 West_Med 15.81
3 East_Med 13.86
4 Baltic 13.59
5 Red_Sea 10
6 Northeast_African 4.98
7 West_Asian 4.24
8 Sub-Saharan 3.47
9 Amerindian 0.66
10 East_Asian 0.51
11 South_Asian 0.49
12 Oceanian 0.28

Longbowman

10-04-2016, 12:33 AM

Northeast African includes some SSA though.