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Enflamme
09-25-2016, 05:58 PM
Find here: http://anthroeurope.blogspot.fr/2011/04/los-pasiegos-cantabria-spain.html (i do not know if this is close to reality, I simply share because i find it interesting ; but i have a lot of doubt about this site or some phenotypes that this administrator seem generalized to an entire province or a country, so distrust).

Los Pasiegos : Cantabria (Spain):
Cantabria is the richest region in the world in archaeological sites from the Upper Paleolithic period. The first signs of human occupation date from Lower Paleolithic, although this period is not so well represented in the region. The most significant cave painting site is the cave of Altamira, dated from about 16,000 to 9,000 BC.

In the whole valleys, the repopulation allowed by the foundation of several monasteries had great importance. This might explain the presence of Northern European haplogroups (see link) or why a study Cruciani et al 2004 states that 41.1% of sampled "Pasiegans" belonged to the haplogroup E-M81 found in modern Berber populations.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/df/Localizaci%C3%B3n_de_Cantabria.svg/250px-Localizaci%C3%B3n_de_Cantabria.svg.png
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/b/b6/Comarca_del_Pas-Miera.PNG/300px-Comarca_del_Pas-Miera.PNG

Sample:
http://image.noelshack.com/fichiers/2016/38/1474825356-phenotype1.png


Brief anthropological analysis:
- Type 1 : Intermediate complexion (from blonde to dark hair, black/grey eyes, rather pale skin on average, ...), leptomorphic, long face (particularly on males), straight or convex nose rather parallel to the face, rather close-set eyes, pointy chin, large jaw
~ (Dinaricized) Atlanto-Mediterranean

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5149/5592852424_b6557a4dbd.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5068/5592852494_b593b17fb1.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5310/5592852598_b6ec565e6e.jpg

This type shows clear Basque affinities : ethnic Basque characters such as a triangle-shaped head and a convex nose are quite prevailing in the sample. Some other individuals - still in the Atlanto-Med variation - are less archetypal (more robust features maybe) and to my own personal eyes, look rather "South French" (and to be more precise "Languedocian").

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5265/5592852830_5c990e05d6.jpg


- Type 2 : Dark complexion (dark hair, black eyes, ...), more or less brachymorphic, reduced and "puffy" features, in some cases high-headed, rather little nose (on males at least), strong jaw, close-set eyes
~ Alpino-Mediterranean

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5180/5592261675_cb110bba6b.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5226/5592261769_dc05557986.jpg

This is a very classical pan-Iberian type. Some individuals look more "ethnic" because of some specific features such as striking blue eyes (which is then a common feature in the "Valles Pasiegos"). Those people might be rather specifically Cantabrian-looking.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5141/5592261525_553fb30275.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5091/5592853012_64ea0e8c66.jpg


Final morphotypes:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5180/5592261979_459c0bf0c4.jpg

Tooting Carmen
10-30-2016, 07:08 AM
A lot of dark and archaic types.

Xacal
10-30-2016, 02:58 PM
Baskid is predominant

magicalM
06-07-2019, 05:09 PM
They share genetics with the salami people mtdna v. I do see some resemblence on some of the photos.

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Tietar
06-07-2019, 10:57 PM
their lands

https://leader.vallespasiegos.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/quie%CC%81nes-somos.jpg

http://images.teinteresa.es/cantabria/santander/Valles-Pasiegos-solicitan-reanudacion-Solares-Torrelavega_TINIMA20120217_0533_5.jpg

http://aragonrural.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/03/calidad-rural-arag%C3%B3n-y-valles-pasiegos-el-secreto-de-cantabria-paisaje.jpg

https://eltomavistasdesantander.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/02/vega-pas.jpg

Erronkari
06-07-2019, 11:20 PM
Some of them have a big resemblance with basques, but others look very different.
Some of them look quite darker, and some others look far lighter and "northern shifted"...
They are really diverse/heterogeneous.
Even, probably, it would be very difficult to test some of them... It would be great to see their DNA.
May they show some surprise, may be not...

Nassbean
06-08-2019, 12:02 AM
Despite their high proportion of E-M81 none of them look north african so this North african substratum is probably really old.

Lobster
06-22-2023, 03:23 PM
Baskids and Atlanto-Meds, my friend. Iberians and French overlap, obviously, that is pretty interesting to me to know. :cool:

Immanenz
06-22-2023, 03:36 PM
Some Bell Beaker ancestry in them

renisenb
06-22-2023, 07:09 PM
The first guy couldn't look more Irish. The 3rd row as well.

Grace O'Malley
06-23-2023, 12:46 AM
The first guy couldn't look more Irish. The 3rd row as well.

They don't look especially Irish to me as an Irish person.

Ruggery
06-23-2023, 12:54 AM
They don't look especially Irish to me as an Irish person.

I've only seen 2 that would easily pass as Irish.

Sacrificed Ram
06-23-2023, 01:01 AM
Would Baskid and Bell Beaker be the same?

Gallop
06-23-2023, 01:21 AM
https://www.jesuslainz.es/art%C3%ADculos/medio-ambiente-y-cantabria/el-mito-pasiego/

The Pasiego Myth by Jesús Laínz

Grace O'Malley
06-23-2023, 12:12 PM
I've only seen 2 that would easily pass as Irish.

And why Irish in particular and not French, Belgian or Scottish etc? :) To me only certain types look particularly Irish i.e. someone like ex Irish rugby player Brian O'Driscoll.

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-eu.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1d4feac0-6fa6-11e4-b50f-00144feabdc0?fit=scale-down&source=next&width=700

Anyway people in the first post look closest to some French people to me.

Ruggery
06-23-2023, 06:59 PM
And why Irish in particular and not French, Belgian or Scottish etc? :) To me only certain types look particularly Irish i.e. someone like ex Irish rugby player Brian O'Driscoll.

https://www.ft.com/__origami/service/image/v2/images/raw/http%3A%2F%2Fcom.ft.imagepublish.upp-prod-eu.s3.amazonaws.com%2F1d4feac0-6fa6-11e4-b50f-00144feabdc0?fit=scale-down&source=next&width=700

Anyway people in the first post look closest to some French people to me.

Well, I didn't say they look uniquely Irish,
By the way, not all the Irish have a typically Irish look.