The Atlantids

[Curtis24]

I have heard much discussion of the Atlantid type or spectrum. Apparently, Atlantids are simply a catch-all term for those who can't sort out their Nordid traits from their robust Mediterranid traits. Essentially, Nordids and robust Mediterranids mixed with each other extensively in northwest Europe, so that its often hard to tell one from the other.

However, is it possible that Atlantids are basically Mediterranids that have been depigmented through natural selection? Natural selection in favor of light skin in the climates of the British Isles and the Low Countries is obvious. But light eyes also may have been selected for - for some reason they have high frequency in all North Europe, even(especially) Finland, where 90% of the population have blue eyes, despite have a low frequency of Nordids.

Furthermore, some of the places where Atlantids frequent are places that Nordids supposedly never really settled, for instance Ireland and the Scottish Highlands(if you assume the Celts were not pred. Nordid).

What are your thoughts? I'm not sure either way, as the typology of the British Isles still confuses me.

[Vasconcelos]

Agrippa makes quite a few interesting posts regarding what are Atlantids. They are not simply depigmented Nodrids, they are between Nordids and Mediterranids, therefore they can be called Nordomediterranids or something along those lines.

I'd advise you to read his posts from this page on
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18532&page=7

[Curtis24]

Yes, but Atlantids are not intermediate between Nordids and Atlanto-Meds, according to the thread you linked to. "Atlantid", as Agrippa explains in that thread, means the person appears to have Atlanto-Med and Nordid influences, but due to the metrical similarity between both types, its hard to say which is which.

It is not a definite "intermediate" type but a spectrum of people who it is hard to classify, essentially.

That being said, the only reason that Atlantids are classified the way they are, and not classified as being robust Med., is that they usually have light eyes. Its basically a criteria. In other words, you take a Med. who is ordinarily metrically the same as a Nordid, yet he or she has light eyes and light skin, so you say there must be *some* Nordid influence.

What if these things could have developed from natural selection? I am sure blue eyes existed in Northwest Europe before the Nordid Iron Age expansions, given that robust Mediterranids and Nordids are fairly closely related anyway. And once again, I point to the example of Finland, which has a huge percentage of blue eyes yet a minority Nordid influence. Why must we assume that blue or light eyes must mean Nordid influence?

[Mordid]

Yes, but Atlantids are not intermediate between Nordids and Atlanto-Meds, according to the thread you linked to. "Atlantid", as Agrippa explains in that thread, means the person appears to have Atlanto-Med and Nordid influences, but due to the metrical similarity between both types, its hard to say which is which.

It is not a definite "intermediate" type but a spectrum of people who it is hard to classify, essentially.

That being said, the only reason that Atlantids are classified the way they are, and not classified as being robust Med., is that they usually have light eyes. Its basically a criteria. In other words, you take a Med. who is ordinarily metrically the same as a Nordid, yet he or she has light eyes and light skin, so you say there must be *some* Nordid influence.

What if these things could have developed from natural selection? I am sure blue eyes existed in Northwest Europe before the Nordid Iron Age expansions, given that robust Mediterranids and Nordids are fairly closely related anyway. And once again, I point to the example of Finland, which has a huge percentage of blue eyes yet a minority Nordid influence. Why must we assume that blue or light eyes must mean Nordid influence?

I'm not an expert but you have to ask Agrippa because he know the question of your.
Atlantid are more lighter than your average Atlanto-Med. You can see that Atlantid have distant Nordid look.

[Vasconcelos]

It's just not pigmentation, this is just clean between Atlantids and Nordatlantids where the latter have blue eyes, and the former do not (it might not be the only thing, but it's a criteria).

Fact is you have some difficulty telling some Atlantids and Atlantomeds from each other because they seem to be an intermediate, like myself, which despite having (light) brown eyes and hair, was classified morpholgically atlantid/atlantomed. I say we "ignorants" stick to Nordomediterranid to avoid confusion. :P

[Agrippa]

Why must we assume that blue or light eyes must mean Nordid influence?

We must not, but if there are other Nordoid traits in a person, it is possible to very likely.

Atlantids are mixed or intermediate in genotype also, like I said already:
Nordid couple/local population = Nordid
Atlantomediterranid couple/local population = Atlantomediterranid
Atlantid couple/local population = Atlantid, Nordid or Atlantomediterranid

offspring.

Phenotypically they are more Nordoid looking, lighter pigmented etc. than typical Atlantomediterranids.

[Trog]

I'm not sure if this thread has been done before, or if it's in the wrong place. Apologies if either apply. Discussion in chat yesterday about North Atlantid v Atlanto-Mediterranean v Paleo Atlantid.

So what really is the difference?

North Atlantid

Courtney Cox/Demi Moore/Jennifer Connolly??

http://www.trailernew.info/wp-content/uploads/Courteney-Cox-Arquette-Wallpaper-4e58dace02c0d-4e67e83c3caa0.jpg
http://iwritealot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Jennifer-Connelly-8.jpghttp://topnews.in/light/files/Demi_Moore_3.jpg


Paleo-Atlantid

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/database/catherinezetajones/catherinezjones300.jpg

Alison King

http://images.wikia.com/coronationstreet/images/c/cc/Carla_connor_main.jpg

Lorraine Kelly

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00061/kelly_getty_61958t.jpg

Atlanto-Meds?

I'm not sure, here's where I get confused. For most I think of are either from the above two groups, or is most likely close to mediterranean. So what now for Atlanto-meds? Where are they? Who are they?

[gold_fenix]

well features between atlanto med, atlantids and north atlantids are similar, perhaps atlanto med are more robust but the difference is pigmentation perhaps for this reason results confuse, paleo atlantid are archaich cromagnoids, as a dark version of phalian but they share with nordids or mediterranean long head and strong dolicocephalic

[Trog]

Would I be right in saying that at times, paleo-Atlantids traits are so archaic, that they may even appear partly-mixed to others? CZ Jones being a good example, people thinking she was part-Asian/part Amerindian.

[Hess]

I don't see anything Mongoloid or Non European about CZJ

[gold_fenix]

me either

[Jack B]

Nor me..

[Trog]

IS Catherine Zeta Jones lying about her race? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071228062755AAPYDmm)


Does anyone else think Catherine Zeta-Jones looks part Chinese? (http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1034632)

Famous hapas (http://forums.yellowworld.org/archive/index.php?t-3319.html)

[Jack B]

Jesus I think I lost some IQ points reading those:

IS Catherine Zeta Jones lying about her race? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071228062755AAPYDmm)


She says she's Danish every chance she gets. There have always been rumors that she's Hispanic. I think she could be part Danish and part Hispanic.

Famous hapas (http://forums.yellowworld.org/archive/index.php?t-3319.html)


catherine zeta jones is actually 3/4 asian and 1/4 english

:puke

[Hess]

catherine zeta jones is actually 3/4 asian and 1/4 english

There needs to be an anthropology police that puts people who make such mind numbingly stupid statements in jail.

[Treffie]

I once read that because some people couldn't properly understand her accent, they misconstrued that CZJ was Greek. A bit like Chinese whispers. :tongue

[Trog]

lol, I know, these kind of comments were more common when CZ first got onto the big screen in the Zorro movie. I think people thought she was Hispanic of some sort then. I, of course, aren't advocating that she looks mixed, just pointing out that some Paleo-Atlantids could perhaps be mistaken for other things. It might be a Siberian element left over.

I think Scot, Lorraine kelly, could convince people she was something else as well;

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2008/08/21/kelly460x276.jpg

[Treffie]

She says she's Danish every chance she gets. There have always been rumors that she's Hispanic. I think she could be part Danish and part Hispanic. She just doesn't look white to me. Her skin may look white, but it's a fallacy that Hispanics can't have white skin. Gloria Estefan is Puerto Rican, and has the features, but her skin is light. She's not white racially; she's got the mixed Latina blood. And like I said, I think CZJ could be part white which accounts for the complexion. Her features don't look European to me at all. She has that exotic beauty, like Salma Hayek, that typically white women don't have. She looks like she has some Chinese, maybe a few gens back. She looks a lot like Kristin Kruek, who is half Danish, half Chinese. I'm not saying CZJ isn't Danish, but there's more there. Hispanic women through the ages have lied and changed their names, like Rita Hayworth, because of racism. Also, CZJ smokes and still looks pretty good for her age - few whites can do that.

We have a saying here that you can take the girl out of Swansea, but you can't take the Swansea out of the girl :D

http://www.artofsmoking.com/celeb/czjones2.jpg

[Anthropologique]

I'm not sure if this thread has been done before, or if it's in the wrong place. Apologies if either apply. Discussion in chat yesterday about North Atlantid v Atlanto-Mediterranean v Paleo Atlantid.

So what really is the difference?

North Atlantid

Courtney Cox/Demi Moore/Jennifer Connolly??

http://www.trailernew.info/wp-content/uploads/Courteney-Cox-Arquette-Wallpaper-4e58dace02c0d-4e67e83c3caa0.jpg
http://iwritealot.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Jennifer-Connelly-8.jpghttp://topnews.in/light/files/Demi_Moore_3.jpg


Paleo-Atlantid

http://img2.timeinc.net/people/i/2008/database/catherinezetajones/catherinezjones300.jpg

Alison King

http://images.wikia.com/coronationstreet/images/c/cc/Carla_connor_main.jpg

Lorraine Kelly

http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00061/kelly_getty_61958t.jpg

Atlanto-Meds?

I'm not sure, here's where I get confused. For most I think of are either from the above two groups, or is most likely close to mediterranean. So what now for Atlanto-meds? Where are they? Who are they?


I started an Atlantic thread a couple of weeks ago.

[Anthropologique]

IS Catherine Zeta Jones lying about her race? (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20071228062755AAPYDmm)


Does anyone else think Catherine Zeta-Jones looks part Chinese? (http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/1034632)

Famous hapas (http://forums.yellowworld.org/archive/index.php?t-3319.html)

Nope she Welsh and Irish. There was some idiotic rumor floating around about her bering part Greek.:rolleyes: She quashed that a while ago.

[Damião de Góis]

Atlanto-Meds?

I'm not sure, here's where I get confused. For most I think of are either from the above two groups, or is most likely close to mediterranean. So what now for Atlanto-meds? Where are they? Who are they?

They look like this, at least around Lisbon ;)

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_ldzt_g3myFg/TBkwlJMlj9I/AAAAAAAAAJg/9IARuczRMIw/s1600/09lim600.jpg

http://oi53.tinypic.com/2nsomyb.jpg

http://oi54.tinypic.com/rh1v77.jpg

[Trog]

Those are Atlantics or strictly Atlanto-Meds, Alex? They are abundant in the UK then as well. The second one is quite like an Irish variant.

Does kelly MacDonald look Atlantic of some sort?

http://www.2flashgames.com/photo/file/kelly_macdonald/Kelly_Macdonald_0022.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

Those are Atlantics or strictly Atlanto-Meds, Alex?

I have no idea to be honest. I imagine they would be classified as "atlanto something".

Isn't Kelly MacDonald a red head? I think that would rule her out as being "atlantid".

[Trog]

No, she's naturally brunette.

http://www.plasticized.com/images/kellymac_1.jpg

Have you still to see 'Trainspotting'? She goes full frontal in that and leaves the viewer in little doubt...:blink:

Another couple of 'Atlantics', but I give up on what their strict criteria. Seems its just a way of describing a similar look shared with people on the western edges of Europe and somehow brings us back to dark Brits (basically).

http://www.neonmanagement.com/img/resource_pool/martine_mccutcheon/martine-mccutcheon-2004.jpg?resize(386)
http://www.musicrooms.net/files/celebs/Rose_Byrne_710671879.jpg
http://primetime.unrealitytv.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/michelle_keegan.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

She was the teenager girl from Trainspotting then? I didn't recognize her but i remember the movie well.

As for the "atlantos" i'm still skeptical about how big that overlap is. For example, i think this girl has more overlap with Italy than with the France or Britain.

http://fotos.sapo.pt/eVlyzg7GfCMgQsFAhHVA/x435

[Trog]

I guess, but she strikes me as being more 'Med' than anything and looks from the Balkans.

[GeistFaust]

The reason the Paleo-Atlantids look so Mediterranid is because a strong Mediterranid strain introduced itself to Paleo-Atlantids during the Late Mesolithic period. A similar strain effected the Borreby sub-type to a lesser degree though. Borrebys also were surrounded by more de-pigmented group of sub-types. Paleo-Atlantids retained their more primitive traits due to the fact that they lived in relative isolation.


Atlanto-Mediterranids are relatively rare in the British Isles although they are probably the direct result of a Neolithic strain that came into the British Isles after the Mediterranid invasion during the Mesolithic periods. Atlanto-Dinarids are common throughout the British Isles and they are not to be confused with North-Atlantids or Keltic-Nordics although they may appear like a combination between the two.


Another interesting thing to touch on is there is a group of phenotypes referred to as Nordo-Mediterranid Atlantid and it can be found throughout France and the British Isles. It seems to be most common in Wales, Ireland, and Scotland near the North Atlantid populations which reside near the coast. I would like to show everyone to a page where there is a gallery of Irish Nordo-Mediterranids but I can not seem to find it.

[007]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=2366&dateline=1317607550

Paleo-Atlantid

[GeistFaust]

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=2366&dateline=1317607550

Paleo-Atlantid

Rudolf Hess was more of a Faelid with Mediterranid input which sort of gives you a good reason to call him a Paleo-Atlantid because that is basically what a Paleo-Atlantid is.

[Trog]

The proverbial box head. I don't get his apparent 'med' features, he looks far too robust.

[GeistFaust]

The proverbial box head. I don't get his apparent 'med' features, he looks far too robust.



It was simply because of his Pigmentation he also has Greek ancestry supposedly.

[Hess]

some people on anthro boards spread rumors about Hess's supposed greek ancestry, but i call BS on that.

[GeistFaust]

some people on anthro boards spread rumors about Hess's supposed greek ancestry, but i call BS on that.

Yeah either way he looks more Faelid cranio-facial which is usually does have some traits or characteristics which differentiate itself from Paleo-Atlantids.

[Anthropologique]

Atlantics come in all sorts of hair and eye colors.

[Trog]

But the point is trying to distinguish between Paleo/North/Med types. It doesn't seem all that clear cut, which, I guess, is what I expected.

[GeistFaust]

But the point is trying to distinguish between Paleo/North/Med types. It doesn't seem all that clear cut, which, I guess, is what I expected.

Everything is not going to be clear cut for mostly everything there is to analyze because exceptions always exist this is when a principle of uncertainty is needed to compensate for our ignorance concerning anthropology.

[Anthropologique]

But the point is trying to distinguish between Paleo/North/Med types. It doesn't seem all that clear cut, which, I guess, is what I expected.


Not at all clear cut. Some Atlantics are a blend of types.

[exceeder]

Not at all clear cut. Some Atlantics are a blend of types.

Definitely agree with this statement.

As someone who has sought classification (and then reclassification after reclassification), I have gotten everything ranging from atlanto-med, pontid, nordomed, atlantid, to a blend of the afformentioned groups (not including other perceived minor admixtures like east med, norid and dinarid).

Hence why I just go with what agrippa last said in a pm; atlantid/nordomed.

Lines aren't always so clear cut, and especially not when it comes to the 'atlantic' phenotype.

[gold_fenix]

Rudolf Hess was more of a Faelid with Mediterranid input which sort of gives you a good reason to call him a Paleo-Atlantid because that is basically what a Paleo-Atlantid is.
To say that paleoatalantids are cromagnoid with med influence is as to say faelids are cromagnoid with nordid influence, in any case is very difficult to determinate this because paleoatalntid appears where there is med influence and faelids where there is a nordid influence, but a paleoatlantid is not a faelid + med influence, because meds are more gracil than nordids and however paleoatlantid are more archaich than faelids.

In the case of Rudolf Hess i am with you that he is a faelid with med elements

[Allenson]

I think of North Atlantids and being more fine of feature than the other two. Basically a Nordic with dark hair but light eyes and skin.

Paleo-Atlantids are shorter and broader of face the the above and often have dark eyes and an overall more brunnette cast to their pigmentation in general. Not swarthy, just a bit darker than North Atlantids.

Atlanto-Meds are more widespread in numbers and geography, I would say. They are more heavily built than NAs, and also taller of face than the PAs.

Indeed, Courtney Cox and Jennifer Connolly are good examples of North Atlantids. George Clooney, CZJ and Sean Connery are fine Paleo-Atlantid specimens.

Trying to think of a good A-M example....

[Anthropologique]

Some regional (Atlantic Facade) comparisons of Atlantics / Atlantids ---

L-R: Welsh, Norman, Norman, Central Portuguese, Central Portuguese, SE English, Galician, Castillian, Cornish, NW English.

[Damião de Góis]

Four atlanto-meds:

http://oi52.tinypic.com/1494k8x.jpg

[gold_fenix]

Four atlanto-meds:

http://oi52.tinypic.com/1494k8x.jpg

not sure , sometime is really confusse the differences between atl med and atlantids
i would say the girls at 3 and 6 o'clock are atlanto med and 9 and 12 o'clock are atlantids

[Anthropologique]

Four atlanto-meds:

http://oi52.tinypic.com/1494k8x.jpg

I think they are all Paleo-Atlantid.

[Anthropologique]

Four atlanto-meds:

http://oi52.tinypic.com/1494k8x.jpg

Are they Iberian?

[Damião de Góis]

Are they Iberian?

Yes.

[Seeker]

^^
girls above,have hardly enough med influnces to call them atlando-meds proper. I think they are rather altandid (3 o'clock ), 6 and 9 o'clock altando nordoids something.

12 o'clock could be atlandid + minor med

[Damião de Góis]

Funny, i can't see the time in those kinds of clocks.. so i have no idea what girls you mean :D

[The Alchemist]

After a long discussion, i haven't understood what's the basic difference between atlantids and atlanto-med. I suppose atlantids have more "nordic" influence than atlanto-meds. Where do most atlantids live? Thank you :)

[Seeker]

Funny, i can't see the time in those kinds of clocks.. so i have no idea what girls you mean :D

Military crap really. Its actually a positioning system.

Picture a clock. Now picture that you are standing in the middle of a clock facing 12 o'clock.

Directly ahead is 12 o'clock, your right hand is 3 o'clock, your left hand is 9 o'clock, directly behind is 6 o'clock.

[leisitox]

After a long discussion, i haven't understood what's the basic difference between atlantids and atlanto-med. I suppose atlantids have more "nordic" influence than atlanto-meds. Where do most atlantids live? Thank you :)

England, the irish have a large concentration of those, north spain I believe and some nothern french

[The Alchemist]

England, the irish have a large concentration of those, north spain I believe and some nothern french

Ok, you've been very clear. I guess they look more "nordic" in general than meds. I'm partly atlantid (many people told me), i've got light brown hair and eyes, i'm not very dark nor light. Are they normally tall and slim? Thank u :)

[leisitox]

well, atlantids are tall and slim, long faced, dolicephalic or high mesocephalic.
I think they have nordid influence.To be more clear, atlanto-med dont have nordid influence, they are only a more tall and robust gracil-med.

[GeistFaust]

After a long discussion, i haven't understood what's the basic difference between atlantids and atlanto-med. I suppose atlantids have more "nordic" influence than atlanto-meds. Where do most atlantids live? Thank you :)


Atlanto-Mediterranids can be found in Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, and the British Isles.
North Atlantids can be found in parts of France, British Isles, Scandinavia, Germany, and Beneleux.
Nordo-Mediterranids can be found in France and the British Isles mainly.
Atlantids can be found in all the countries I mentioned excepted in Scandinavia.

[The Alchemist]

well, atlantids are tall and slim, long faced, dolicephalic or high mesocephalic.
I think they have nordid influence.To be more clear, atlanto-med dont have nordid influence, they are only a more tall and robust gracil-med.

I thought atlanto-meds were partly influenced by nordic, maybe in the facial features (not really mediterranean). Maybe i'm wrong. I guess they are normally brown eyed and haired (with different tones). I should be atlantid then, even if my face is round and i also have alpinid influence. If i may ask you...do you know how is a typical alpinid nose? Mine is small and a bit round at the top (i mean not aquiline)...i wonder in what subrace is it typical...

[The Alchemist]

Atlanto-Mediterranids can be found in Spain, Portugal, Italy, France, and the British Isles.
North Atlantids can be found in parts of France, British Isles, Scandinavia, Germany, and Beneleux.
Nordo-Mediterranids can be found in France and the British Isles mainly.
Atlantids can be found in all the countries I mentioned excepted in Scandinavia.
Ok...even if it's difficoult for me to distinguish all this types...maybe pic are clearer. Do you remember my nose, spirit?? It's a bit round on the tip, is it alpinid?

[leisitox]

well, typical alpine nose are low-rooted concave round tip.
I have the opossive of you, rather a normal-high rooted nose aquiline/convex, like totti

[The Alchemist]

well, typical alpine nose are low-rooted concave round tip.
I have the opossive of you, rather a normal-high rooted nose aquiline/convex, like totti
Mine is similar to this one :)

[leisitox]

well, Gretel thats a cute alpine nose :), yes you have an alpine nose it seems. But from a sidepic it looks concave?

[Damião de Góis]

I should be atlantid then, even if my face is round and i also have alpinid influence.

Are you from Peru or Tasmania? :p

[The Alchemist]

Are you from Peru or Tasmania? :p
Both of them :D :D

[The Alchemist]

well, Gretel thats a cute alpine nose :), yes you have an alpine nose it seems. But from a sidepic it looks concave?
Yes, i think so....it's the typical "little potato nose", round on the tip...

[leisitox]

well, so is alpine then :),

[GeistFaust]

Ok...even if it's difficoult for me to distinguish all this types...maybe pic are clearer. Do you remember my nose, spirit?? It's a bit round on the tip, is it alpinid?


Yes I would say it is but your body looks more Atlantid/North-Atlantid because it is quite long framed.

[The Alchemist]

well, so is alpine then :),
I'd like to have a pointy one, but it doesn't matter, there are surely more serious problems in our life!! :D

[The Alchemist]

Yes I would say it is but your body looks more Atlantid/North-Atlantid because it is quite long framed.

I agree. I have a predominantly alpinid face but a north-atlantid body. I'm not extremely tall, but long-limbed.

[Anthropologique]

^^
girls above,have hardly enough med influnces to call them atlando-meds proper. I think they are rather altandid (3 o'clock ), 6 and 9 o'clock altando nordoids something.

12 o'clock could be atlandid + minor med

All Paleo-Atlantid with some sub-Nordid.

[Anthropologique]

^^
girls above,have hardly enough med influnces to call them atlando-meds proper. I think they are rather altandid (3 o'clock ), 6 and 9 o'clock altando nordoids something.

12 o'clock could be atlandid + minor med

I agree. Pretty typical for the Atlantic Facade.

[Sahson]

Paleo-Atlantid
http://dynimg.rte.ie/00010b8b-421r.jpg

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/544/544104/josh-hartnett-20040902113941562-000.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/133/1919d.jpg

[Damião de Góis]

I agree. Pretty typical for the Atlantic Facade.

Aren't you always excluding South Portugal from the "Atlantic Facade"? I'm afraid they are all from Lisbon :p

[gold_fenix]

There is a stereotype of andalucians, but atlantid too there are in Andalucia not only in the East of Andalucia, , perhaps because Andalucia was repopulated with people from North of Spain and some central europeans, the fact is Andalucia is highly diverse in phenotypes, and in the case of the women posted the cromagnoid features are difficult to determinate in women but they could be paleoatlantid + med/nordic mix

i am going to post a picture of me and other from alex being a comparison

alex: paleoatlantid + atlantid (or north atlantid i would say), he has a pseudo faelid look, because he is more despigmented than me
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=524397&postcount=6964
me: paleoatlantid + atlanto med
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showpost.php?p=548999&postcount=7132

[Anthropologique]

Aren't you always excluding South Portugal from the "Atlantic Facade"? I'm afraid they are all from Lisbon :p

Isn't Lisbon south-central? ;) Yes, I've seen them in the south of Portugal as well.

[Hess]

Four atlanto-meds:

http://oi52.tinypic.com/1494k8x.jpg

They look like like Atlantids with additional Nordid influence to me, especially the one on top.

[Damião de Góis]

Isn't Lisbon south-central? ;)

It's known as south generally to the people here. For example people from Porto use the word "south" a lot when refering to Lisbon. If you mention "central Portugal" what pops up imediatly is Coimbra.

[Anthropologique]

It's known as south generally to the people here. For example people from Porto use the word "south" a lot when refering to Lisbon. If you mention "central Portugal" what pops up imediatly is Coimbra.

Actually, Lisbon, since it's the capital area, probably has as many people with northern and central origins as southern.

[Siginulfo]

Paleo-Atlantid
http://dynimg.rte.ie/00010b8b-421r.jpg

http://ffmedia.ign.com/filmforce/image/article/544/544104/josh-hartnett-20040902113941562-000.jpg

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/133/1919d.jpg

Do you have a frontal picture of the first? My father seems like him a lot.

[Falkata]

Do you have a frontal picture of the first? My father seems like him a lot.

Here you are


http://www.mondialdurugby.com/IMG/jpg/2003-CHABAL_sebastien-2.jpg

[alzo zero]

Here you are


http://www.mondialdurugby.com/IMG/jpg/2003-CHABAL_sebastien-2.jpg
Is this guy supposed to be Atlantid of whichever sort? :confused: He looks Turkish or something like that.

[Falkata]

Is this guy supposed to be Atlantid of whichever sort? :confused:

He doesn´t look Atlantid to me.
I´ve seen him classified as "Paleo-Altlantid" but I think it´s just because of his beard and his caveman look. With shaved face he looks way different

[alzo zero]

...I think it´s just because of his beard and his caveman look...
... And because of his nationality too, I guess. :rolleyes:

[Sahson]

Do you have a frontal picture of the first? My father seems like him a lot.

Before Beard

http://www.mondialdurugby.com/IMG/jpg/2003-CHABAL_sebastien-2.jpg

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_rugby/CHABAL_S_20000304_GH_L.jpg

With Beard

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/chabal2005.jpg

http://imagebox.cz.osobnosti.cz/foto/sebastien-chabal/O488085-59277.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44131000/jpg/_44131580_chabal_get_416.jpg

French Girl

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44131000/jpg/_44131583_frenchfan_get_416.jpg

[Siginulfo]

Here you are


http://www.mondialdurugby.com/IMG/jpg/2003-CHABAL_sebastien-2.jpg


My father is almost identical to him, but he has blue eyes. Where he come from?

[alzo zero]

Hey look, a Calabrese paleo-Atlantid LOL...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/__3YFijNkuNk/S8CerApL7BI/AAAAAAAANPY/x1iazXVrQEc/s1600/23.jpg

[Siginulfo]

Before Beard

http://www.mondialdurugby.com/IMG/jpg/2003-CHABAL_sebastien-2.jpg

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_rugby/CHABAL_S_20000304_GH_L.jpg

With Beard

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/chabal2005.jpg

http://imagebox.cz.osobnosti.cz/foto/sebastien-chabal/O488085-59277.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44131000/jpg/_44131580_chabal_get_416.jpg

French Girl

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44131000/jpg/_44131583_frenchfan_get_416.jpg

I've already seen this pictures, and I realized that my father hasn't got such long arms.

[Falkata]

My father is almost identical to him, but he has blue eyes. Where he come from?

http://www2.luventicus.org/maps/francedepartments/drome.gif

[Anthropologique]

Is this guy supposed to be Atlantid of whichever sort? :confused: He looks Turkish or something like that.

He has quite a bit of Cro-Magnon.

[exceeder]

Before Beard

http://www.mondialdurugby.com/IMG/jpg/2003-CHABAL_sebastien-2.jpg

http://www.sporting-heroes.net/files_rugby/CHABAL_S_20000304_GH_L.jpg

With Beard

http://www.sportinglife.com/pictures/general/chabal2005.jpg

http://imagebox.cz.osobnosti.cz/foto/sebastien-chabal/O488085-59277.jpg

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44131000/jpg/_44131580_chabal_get_416.jpg

French Girl

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44131000/jpg/_44131583_frenchfan_get_416.jpg

With the beard he kinda looks like my stereotypical impression of a greek (something atlanto-pontid...esk. But yes, he does look more paleo atlantid with it cut i think).

[Trog]

I'm disappointed that Chabal can look so normal after a haircut and a shave.

I think an Atlantid trait is also having quite a wide mouth.

This woman has it, as does all those women Alex posted as Portuguese examples.

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/44131000/jpg/_44131583_frenchfan_get_416.jpg
http://oi52.tinypic.com/1494k8x.jpg

BTW, that blonde specimen looks typical Nordic-type to me.

[The Alchemist]

Honestly i haven't understood if all the Atlantics (atlanto-med and north atlantid) came by also a nordic admixure or not. It's not very clear by this thread.

[ricko0812]

whats the main difference between the two?

[gold_fenix]

basically that north atlantid have a more visible nordid influence, too i read that a north atlantid is a keltic nordid/atl med mix

[Sizzo]

Am I North-Atlantid guys? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=30c1vk8&s=6

[northspaniard]

Am I North-Atlantid guys? http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=30c1vk8&s=6

Yes, you look british.

[Sizzo]

Yes, you look british.

But with some CM, I guess.

[British-Wolf]

north atlantids look more nordid. lighter pigmentation, blue eyes. atlantids are slightly darker pigmentation and generally brown eyes

[Leon_C]

Is north atlantid interchangeable with nordid to some degree? e.g would a blonde north atlantid be classified as a nordid, and a black haired nordid a north atlantid?

[Sikeliot]

North Atlantids are more Nordid, no?

[Atlantic Islander]

Interesting thread, I've merged it with other similar threads.

[Smeagol]

North Atlantids are basically black haired Nordids.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Atlantids and ESP Atlantomeds are simply the best all other people are here just to admire them, and as a reminder to atlantids to be grateful for being born as such.

[SardiniaAtlantis]

Interesting thread, I've merged it with other similar threads.

Why did you do that?

[Norb]

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