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Grab the Gauge
09-30-2016, 07:29 PM
Who's your daddy?


http://www.gbe.oxfordjournals.org/content/6/3/466.full



To study the male and female lineages of East Asian and European humans, we have sequenced 25 short tandem repeat markers on 453 Y-chromosomes and collected sequences of 72 complete mitochondrial genomes to construct independent phylogenetic trees for male and female lineages. The results indicate that East Asian individuals fall into two clades, one that includes East Asian individuals only and a second that contains East Asian and European individuals. Surprisingly, the European individuals did not form an independent clade, but branched within in the East Asians. We then estimated the divergence time of the root of the European clade as ∼41,000 years ago. These data indicate that, contrary to traditional views, Europeans diverged from East Asians around that time. We also address the origin of the Ainu lineage in northern Japan.



For the male lineages, we used the Y-STR markers for 453 individuals covering Japanese, Korean, Mongolian (Khalkh), American, and European people. We determined the evolutionary distances (RST) among them, and constructed a phylogenetic tree using the NJ method (Saitou and Nei 1987), as shown in figure 1. The Y-STR tree revealed that the male ancestral lineage contained two clades (Yap-A and Yap-B). While Yap-A clade includes the East Asian individuals only, Yap-B clade contains the East Asian and European individuals together. Surprisingly, the European males never formed an independent clade. Instead, they formed separate clades within Yap-B.

We then constructed a phylogenetic tree (Mt tree) for the 72 complete mtDNAs including the four ethnic groups, as shown in figure 2. We used Kimura’s two parameter method (Kimura 1980) for computing evolutionary distances among them and the NJ method for the tree construction. The Mt tree revealed two female descendant clades (Mt A and Mt B). Mt B consisted of the East Asian females only, while Mt A contained the East Asian and European females together. As in the case of males, the European females did not form an independent clade, but comprised several groups within the Mt A tree. As the Mt A cluster includes roughly as many European individuals as East Asian individuals, it is not clear which of them is ancestral to the other. The node marked with the blue circle in figure 2 suggests that the East Asians are ancestral to the Europeans. The bootstrap value of the node is 99%. Therefore, both male and female lineages suggest that Europeans diverged from within East Asian ancestors or that they interbred with East Asian individuals up to a certain divergence time.
Our next question was thus to estimate the divergence time of the European clade within the East Asian lineage, for males and females separately. To address that question, we computed the evolutionary distance (RST) between every pair of the male individuals to construct the Y-STR tree in figure 1. The RST value between the bottom and root of A and B clades in the tree was 16.91, while that between the bottom and root of the European male clade in the B clade was 12.31. Based on a divergence of East Asians from Africans of 55,000 years ago (Nei and Roychoudhury 1974, 1993), and assuming that RST is proportional to time, we can estimate the evolutionary rate of Y-STR by using the Y-STR tree. In the tree the RST value between the deepest root and the bottom is 16.91, and that between the common ancestor of Europeans males and the bottom is 12.31. The rate is thus estimated as 16.91/55,000 = 3.07 × 10−4 per repeat per year, which leads us to the conclusion that the divergence time of the European males is ∼40,100 years ago.

Poise n Pen
09-30-2016, 09:35 PM
I am not asian but Out of Asia for the bulk of genes combined with multiregionalism for diversification is the obvious reality of human evolution.

Odontology (tooth study) doesn't really allow for anything else. And it's also obvious M haplogroup came out of asia and khoisan people did as well. Blacks africans are the main outlier but that is just due to some recent mixture with archaic african hominids.

Nexus
10-03-2016, 12:11 AM
This only proves Europeans mated with East Asians.

Phylogenetic trees of Y-STR makers and Mt genes suggest that the Europeans interbred with East Asians until ∼41,000 years ago. On the other hand, East Asians diverged from their African acestors ∼55,000 years ago. Therefore, we suggest that the European and East Asian lineages diverged ∼41,000 years ago.

Poise n Pen
10-03-2016, 08:17 AM
There was a finding of african lineage amount ancient east asian neanderthals. Recently they detected signs of very early modern humans in oceania as well. Add them up and you have african DNA coming from asia not the other way around.

Peterski
10-06-2016, 08:37 AM
It is in fact the other way around, Mongoloids evolved from Caucasoid-like populations.

The main driving factor in the evolution of Mongoloid traits was the EDAR mutation:

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/understanding-edar/

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Check also Genetiker's website:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/timelines-of-prehistory/


45–25 ka — proto-Caucasoids in Europe, the Middle East, and Siberia west of Lake Baikal evolve into Caucasoids.

45–25 ka — proto-Mongoloids in Northern China, central and eastern Mongolia, and Transbaikalia evolve into Mongoloids. The 370A mutation in the EDAR gene results in Sinodonty, stiff hair, small breasts, and higher sweat gland density. The epicanthic fold is also evolved.

Anglojew
10-06-2016, 09:12 AM
Damn. That's revolutionary

Grab the Gauge
10-06-2016, 08:03 PM
It is in fact the other way around, Mongoloids evolved from Caucasoid-like populations.

The main driving factor in the evolution of Mongoloid traits was the EDAR mutation:

https://westhunt.wordpress.com/2014/09/01/understanding-edar/

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Check also Genetiker's website:

https://genetiker.wordpress.com/timelines-of-prehistory/


Looks like Genetiker and Weshunt need to update their shitty blogs. Turns out what really happened is Europeans branched off from East Asians. The earliest European populations sampled (Motala) had actually had EDAR370A so it looks like this was something that was simply lost on Europeans -- possibly due to admixing with Afrodont populations.

brennus dux gallorum
10-06-2016, 08:10 PM
"descended from east asians in paleolithic" and other BS

were Attila, Avars etc "paleolithic"?

http://cdn.eupedia.com/images/content/East-Asian-admixture.gif

http://www.sheppardsoftware.com/images/Europe/factfile/attilamap.jpg

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Historical_map_of_the_Balkans_around_582-612_AD.jpg/250px-Historical_map_of_the_Balkans_around_582-612_AD.jpg

the only uralic-altaic paleolithic inhabitants in Europe were the pre-germanic scandinavians

Carlito's Way
10-09-2016, 05:16 PM
white people arent pure, they are so mix, with asian, middle eastern, black ect.

JBoscherville
10-10-2016, 08:27 PM
white people arent pure, they are so mix, with asian, middle eastern, black ect.

we're purée af, fite me