Baltid (proper) type [Archive] - The Apricity Forum: A European Cultural Community

Mordid

09-16-2010, 12:59 PM

Saruman

09-16-2010, 01:36 PM

Baltid:

http://img141.imageshack.us/img141/4234/tatianaukr164uc7.jpg (http://img141.imageshack.us/i/tatianaukr164uc7.jpg/)

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/2636/166russiaalenagl4.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/i/166russiaalenagl4.jpg/)

http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/1340/aigarskalvtisxn7.jpg (http://img45.imageshack.us/i/aigarskalvtisxn7.jpg/)

http://www.theapricity.com/snpa/bilder/baltid01.JPG

Borreby:

http://a-maze.fr/cine-pizza/img/visuels-artistes/kurtwoodsmith_432.jpg

http://img184.imageshack.us/img184/7363/christianrsnesden187jv0.jpg (http://img184.imageshack.us/i/christianrsnesden187jv0.jpg/)

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/40_Gerald_Ford_3x4.jpg

http://imagecache6.allposters.com/LRG/27/2774/PXLTD00Z.jpg

Borreby skull is higher, less rounded than Baltid and with greater mass. Borreby is tall while Baltid is short or of middle height. Borreby's are far more rugged in facial features, more robust, more massive jaw area, Baltid probably has a tendency of having more widespread eyes, and cheekbones are more prominent. Borreby has a mature body type while Baltid is Boreal or Boreal-Infantile, and as a result has a less balanced body structure, short legs for ex. While both pyknomorphic to mesomorphic Baltid has a greater tendency towards pyknomorphy than Borreby. Both usually light in pigmentation with Borreby having more medium light examples. Baltids also have probably greater tendency towards concave nasal profile.

So obviously partially alpinized and fully balticised/borealised Cromagnoids differ in many areas.

Regarding West-Baltids, partially balticised CM's, in relation to Borreby they have greater tendency towards mesomorphic build, and also probably less rugged features, due to having greater DaloFaelid/EastCromagnid, Nordoid influences than Borreby's.

http://img142.imageshack.us/img142/6236/rolandaspaksasun8.jpg (http://img142.imageshack.us/i/rolandaspaksasun8.jpg/)

Kudos to Agrippa, as I got plenty of this from him.:)

Korbis

09-16-2010, 02:02 PM

Are they a mongrelized form of Slavics and Nordids?

Tomasz

09-16-2010, 02:32 PM

Are they a mongrelized form of Slavics and Nordids?

What? Since when there's a race called "Slavics"? :rolleyes: Think before you say something stupid...
By the way, ancient Slavs were predominantly Nordid.

Are Baltid very commong among Poles and Lithuanian people ?

Baltids are generally important type in Poland. You can see plenty of people with such look.
I have only one friend with Lithuanian background and she looks predominantly Baltid. ;)

Korbis

09-16-2010, 03:25 PM

What? Since when there's a race called "Slavics"?

I didn´t said such a thing. Is just a funny way to ask if they might be a blend of both types. But despiting their geographical distribution I assume their origins are way more complex to explain. ;)

Mordid

09-16-2010, 03:46 PM

I have only one friend with Lithuanian background and she looks predominantly Baltid. ;)

Have you got a picture of her ? :D:thumb001:

Mordid

09-16-2010, 03:48 PM

Baltids are generally important type in Poland. You can see plenty of people with such look.
I thought Gorid (East Alpinid) are very important type in Poland but i might be wrong. :)

Tomasz

09-16-2010, 04:54 PM

I didn´t said such a thing. Is just a funny way to ask if they might be a blend of both types. But despiting their geographical distribution I assume their origins are way more complex to explain.

But I still don't know, what race do you mean by saying "Slavic". :wink

Have you got a picture of her ?

Unfortunately not. :mad:

I thought Gorid (East Alpinid) are very important type in Poland but i might be wrong.

I think you're right but I guess they are more common in the south rather than north. The name "Gorid" speaks for itself - from Polish word "góra" (mountain) and mountains are here in southern part of the country. :wink

Mordid

09-16-2010, 08:17 PM

Unfortunately not. :mad:
It' ok mate.

I think you're right but I guess they are more common in the south rather than north. The name "Gorid" speaks for itself - from Polish word "góra" (mountain) and mountains are here in southern part of the country. :wink
I think you're right. Are Gorid intermediate Baltid (proper) and Alpine ?

Am i right that Baltid (proper) are all over the Poland ?

Tomasz

09-16-2010, 08:32 PM

I think you're right. Are Gorid intermediate Baltid (proper) and Alpine ?

Yes, I would call them intermediate. But they aren't like exactly in between both types. Gorids are rather closer to Alpinids than Baltids. I think the best description would be: Alpinid with Baltid influences.

Am i right that Baltid (proper) are all over the Poland ?

Yep, they can be met all over the country. But I think that in northern Poland you can meet more of them on average. In southern Poland they're also common but are much often altered by Alpinoids/Dinaroids.

Mordid

09-16-2010, 08:44 PM

Yep, they can be met all over the country. But I think that in northern Poland you can meet more of them on average. In southern Poland they're also common but are much often altered by Alpinoids/Dinaroids.

I think it doesn't matter if it's northern, southern and whatever, because they are still most common all over the part of Poland. I used to went Silesia and some of them have very Nordid look, some look very Baltid, some look very Noric and other phenotype. I bet Silesian must have a lot of phenotype, be it Baltid, Dinarid, Norid, Nordid, Pontid, North Pontid but Baltid are quite common among Silesian people.

Tomasz

09-16-2010, 08:55 PM

I think it doesn't matter if it's northern, southern and whatever, because they are still most common all over the part of Poland. I used to went Silesia and some of them have very Nordid look, some look very Baltid, some look very Noric and other phenotype. I bet Silesian must have a lot of phenotype, be it Baltid, Dinarid, Norid, Nordid, Pontid, North Pontid but Baltid are quite common among Silesian people.

Well, so I'll put it in this way: in Poland there are 3 main brachycephal races - Baltid, Dinarid and Alpinid. In the north, Baltid dominates percentage-wise among them, while in the south more people are of Alpinid/Dinarid races (I'm speaking only about brachycephals of course).

Psychonaut

09-16-2010, 09:55 PM

I would like to start a thread about this interesting racial type (Proper Baltid).

It is wonderful question you asking ! :rolleyes:

I'm going to ask you question so i'd apperciate it if you give me an answer and something. :)

I happy to an give you answer, but what is something you are else wanting from me ? :rolleyes:

Where Baltid type come from ?

Baltid type are come from Baltland...are probably depigmentated Atlantid with Mongolid... :rolleyes:

Agrippa

09-16-2010, 10:02 PM

Baltid proper is the result of the process of Baltisation working on archaic Cromagnoid variants from the East and North East of Europe.

They became brachycephalic with more infantile-reduced facial and body traits, shorter and shorter legged, more pyknomorphic etc.

So it is largely the same thing as Alpinisation, just for the more Eastern-North Eastern areas where the climate was even colder (Borealisation) and the forests more dense, UV-light lower and the influence from the South and Neolithics low too etc.

Mordid

09-16-2010, 11:57 PM

Baltid proper is the result of the process of Baltisation working on archaic Cromagnoid variants from the East and North East of Europe.
I think Baltid (proper) are common in West Baltic while in East Baltic, not so much

They became brachycephalic with more infantile-reduced facial and body traits, shorter and shorter legged, more pyknomorphic etc.
I know you'e seen a picture of my little brother and i think he's probably change his facial features during puberty. My suggestion is that dont you think he's gonna stay look Baltid when he older or something becuase when my little sister were 10 or something, she still had big nose but now, still same.

So, tell me what is difference between Baltid (proper) and East Baltid ?

Agrippa

09-17-2010, 12:06 AM

Eastbaltids are even more Borealised, pyknomorphic, have a Mongoliform tendency (higher-more forward and even broader cheekbones, eyefolds, often slanted, smaller eyes, shorter legs-longer, broader trunk).

Motörhead Remember Me

09-17-2010, 09:13 AM

Borreby is tall while Baltid is short or of middle height. Nonsense.

Kudos to Agrippa, as I got plenty of this from him.:) :roll eyes:

Saruman

09-17-2010, 09:55 AM

Nonsense.

Baltid proper is short-middle, and if tall it is often due to other influences. West-Batlid is tall.

:roll eyes:

http://forum.thiazi.net/showthread.php?t=105047, feel free to make a better system.:)

Erik

09-17-2010, 10:26 AM

I believe that real East-Baltic types have a very little mongolic admixture. A real East
Baltic man does not exist without a mongolic admixture.

Motörhead Remember Me

09-17-2010, 11:34 AM

Baltid proper is short-middle, and if tall it is often due to other influences. West-Batlid is tall.

No shit? Where are "Baltids proper" in their purest form?

Saruman

09-17-2010, 11:42 AM

No shit? Where are "Baltids proper" in their purest form?

Eastern Poland, Belarus, Western Russia, Baltic states.

Mordid

09-17-2010, 12:39 PM

Eastern Poland

Actually, Baltid (proper) are all over the part of Poland.

Tomasz

09-17-2010, 12:57 PM

I believe that real East-Baltic types have a very little mongolic admixture. A real East
Baltic man does not exist without a mongolic admixture.

We're talking about Baltid proper - id est without mongoloid admixture.

You're talking about East-Baltids who are different type so I don't know why you talk about them in this thread. ;)

Mordid

09-17-2010, 02:36 PM

Are East Baltid common among Poles people, Tomasz ?

Mordid

09-17-2010, 02:45 PM

Is this women a good example of East Baltid ?
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/holyshit.jpg
http://www.russiablog.org/RussianWomanArmy.jpg

Tomasz

09-17-2010, 03:25 PM

Are East Baltid common among Poles people, Tomasz ?

No, they aren't. Maybe you can meet one from time to time but for every 100 Poles, at most 4 would be East-Baltid. At least that's my experience.

Sarmata

09-17-2010, 03:53 PM

No, they aren't. Maybe you can meet one from time to time but for every 100 Poles, at most 4 would be East-Baltid. At least that's my experience.

Indeed they are not so common. But they're present for 100 - 4 or maybe 8 I'm not sure;). However East-Baltic look is considered as foreign, eastern( "Russian" look maybe-I don't want to offend somebody I'm talking about stereotypes;)).

Mordid

09-17-2010, 03:57 PM

Indeed they are not so common. But they're present for 100 - 4 or maybe 8 I'm not sure;). However East-Baltic look is considered as foreign, eastern( "Russian" look maybe-I don't want to offend someboty I'm talking about stereotypes;)).

So basically, you're saying that East Baltid would look out in Poland ?

Agrippa

09-18-2010, 12:12 PM

So basically, you're saying that East Baltid would look out in Poland ?

I wouldn't say so, but rather unusual. Baltid is VERY common in Poland, many Poles which I saw have at least a visible influence, but clear Eastbaltid influences are rare, yet clearly present.

Mordid

09-18-2010, 12:21 PM

I wouldn't say so, but rather unusual. Baltid is VERY common in Poland, many Poles which I saw have at least a visible influence, but clear Eastbaltid influences are rare, yet clearly present.

Which part of Poland have East Baltid type ? Eastern Poland ?
I think East Baltid has that Russian look.

Agrippa

09-18-2010, 12:26 PM

As others said, Poland is now heavily mixed, but originally it should have been more common the Northern Belarussian border I'd assume. Definitely not along the coast of the Baltic see or the mountainous areas...

Mordid

09-18-2010, 12:28 PM

Might ask i how East Baltid end up having monogloid influence whereas Baltid (proper) dont ? Is it because they adapt from different environment ?

Tomasz

09-18-2010, 12:36 PM

Might ask i how East Baltid end up having monogloid influence whereas Baltid (proper) dont ? Is it because they adapt from different environment ?

I think it's the influence of Lappoids. Long time ago Lappoids weren't small, isolated population - they were much more common in Eastern/NE Europe.

Mordid

09-18-2010, 12:39 PM

I think it's the influence of Lappoids. Long time ago Lappoids weren't small, isolated population - they were much more common in Eastern/NE Europe.

What about West Baltid ?

Tomasz

09-18-2010, 01:50 PM

What about West Baltid ?

West-Baltid is fully Europid.

I basically call them "Eastern-looking Faelids". They are - in my opinion - closer to Cromagnids than to Baltid proper. Only slight balticization has been going on with them...

Mordid

09-18-2010, 01:57 PM

I basically call them "Eastern-looking Faelids". They are - in my opinion - closer to Cromagnids than to Baltid proper. Only slight balticization has been going on with them...

And sometime, they are similiar to North Alpinid (Borreby-Nordid).
Where do you think West Baltid are most common in ?

Tomasz

09-18-2010, 02:16 PM

And sometime, they are similiar to North Alpinid (Borreby-Nordid).
Where do you think West Baltid are most common in ?

It's very difficult question. I guess they're scattered in large area. This area would have it's western border in Germany (mostly eastern), eastern border in Russia (west of Urals), northern border in Scandinavia. I've never heard about population with high percentage of West-Baltids, they are low in numbers compared to other sub-races. At least it's my experience, I haven't seen many West-Baltids in my life...

Saruman

09-18-2010, 04:18 PM

And sometime, they are similiar to North Alpinid (Borreby-Nordid).
Where do you think West Baltid are most common in ?

North Alpinoid is Borreby-Nordid? I think the term is usually used for Borreby.

West Baltids are common along Baltic sea coast from Poland to Estonia. So Estonia, Latvia should have higher percentages of them. There is probably their center.

Estonians

http://uuseesti.ee/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kajariklettenberg.jpg

http://www.mil.ee/uudisepilt/1192kinkryyner.jpg

http://www.mil.ee/uudisepilt/thumbs/1403Jeeser_1.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2009/11/10/264919t41h9c0c.jpg

Latvians

http://www.aprinkis.lv/_upload/pictures/418028/erviins_kopeika.jpg

http://diena.lv/upload/article/0073/728523/1309673_BIG_1271315040.jpg

http://www.bdcol.ee/fileadmin/photos/HCSC2007/Gundars-Abols.jpg

Mordid

09-18-2010, 04:34 PM

West Baltids are common along Baltic sea coast from Poland to Estonia. So Estonia, Latvia should have higher percentages of them. There is probably their center.

Estonians

http://uuseesti.ee/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kajariklettenberg.jpg

http://www.mil.ee/uudisepilt/1192kinkryyner.jpg

http://www.mil.ee/uudisepilt/thumbs/1403Jeeser_1.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2009/11/10/264919t41h9c0c.jpg

Latvians

http://www.aprinkis.lv/_upload/pictures/418028/erviins_kopeika.jpg

http://diena.lv/upload/article/0073/728523/1309673_BIG_1271315040.jpg

http://www.bdcol.ee/fileadmin/photos/HCSC2007/Gundars-Abols.jpg

By looking at these picture, some of them could pass for Borreby and some not so much.
I think West Baltid are probably one of the most depigmeted CM in Europe.

Mordid

09-19-2010, 05:02 PM

Could anyone post a picture of Baltid (proper) sample, please ? :)

Agrippa

09-19-2010, 05:56 PM

Baltid Russian women:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5795&stc=1&d=1284917985

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5797&stc=1&d=1284918356
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5798&stc=1&d=1284918358

Belarussian model with mostly Baltid facial traits, but most likely Nordid influences (jaws and body type):
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5796&stc=1&d=1284918265

Similar case from Russia, though rather Eastalpinid-Baltid (Balto-Alpinoid) probably:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5799&stc=1&d=1284918464

Latvia:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5800&stc=1&d=1284918548

Young males from Latvia:
Pred. Osteuropid morph:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5801&stc=1&d=1284918723

Pred. Nordid morph:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5802&stc=1&d=1284918723

Single examples from the Latvian sample:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5803&stc=1&d=1284918943

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5805&stc=1&d=1284918945

Mordid

09-19-2010, 06:11 PM

Well, to me Baltid (proper) dont look different from East Baltid, right ?

Agrippa

09-19-2010, 09:08 PM

Well, to me Baltid (proper) dont look different from East Baltid, right ?

No, they have no significant Mongoliform/Mongoloid traits.

Compare with this Latvians with significant Eastbaltid or/and Mongoliform/Mongoloid influences (not all typical Eastbaltids):

(mixed)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5807&stc=1&d=1284930298

(possible recent Mongoloid influence)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5808&stc=1&d=1284930298

(Westbaltid tendency - Eastbaltid predominant)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5809&stc=1&d=1284930298

(Westbaltid influence)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5810&stc=1&d=1284930298

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5811&stc=1&d=1284930298

Mordid

09-19-2010, 09:16 PM

They both certainly look much different than i thought. Might i ask how East Baltid end up having Mongoloid influence and Baltid dont ?

Agrippa

09-19-2010, 09:16 PM

Another example for Eastbaltid:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5812&stc=1&d=1284930715

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5813&stc=1&d=1284930996

Agrippa

09-19-2010, 09:17 PM

First the genflow was not as strong in all regions, secondly Borealisation (selection) was not as strong in all regions and thirdly phenotypical influences can disappear or re-appear over generations.

Moonbird

09-19-2010, 09:20 PM

What are the major differences between Westbaltid and Baltid proper?

Mordid

09-19-2010, 09:21 PM

Where East Baltid are most common in ? Finland ? Japan ? :D

Tomasz

09-19-2010, 09:25 PM

I guess NE Europe and adjacent areas. So it would be Finland, Estonia, Russia and to lesser extent neighboring areas.

Tomasz

09-19-2010, 09:29 PM

What are the major differences between Westbaltid and Baltid proper?

West-Baltids are less balticized so they resemble their Cro-magnon ancestors more. They are closer to Cromagnids a la Faelids than typical Baltids.

Mordid

09-19-2010, 09:37 PM

I am still confuesd because someone actually said Gorid(East Alpinid) are more common than Baltid in Poland. Is it true ?

Saruman

09-19-2010, 09:47 PM

I am still confuesd because someone actually said Gorid(East Alpinid) are more common than Baltid in Poland. Is it true ?

Doubt it.

Tomasz

09-19-2010, 09:53 PM

Both Baltids and Alpinids are relatively common in Poland so they surely mix with each other. And such mixes are classified as Gorids, I guess, since Gorids are Alpinids with Baltid influences.

Mordid

09-19-2010, 09:57 PM

Both Baltids and Alpinids are relatively common in Poland so they surely mix with each other. And such mixes are classified as Gorids, I guess, since Gorids are Alpinids with Baltid influences.

I guess that make sense!
What is difference between Baltid and East Alpinid ? I'm talking about their facial features and canial stucture.

Agrippa

09-19-2010, 10:03 PM

What are the major differences between Westbaltid and Baltid proper?

Westbaltids are usually taller, more robust, less Borealised, have often stronger jaws and a higher head, their orbita are lower and more rectangular, more typically Cromagnoid, like the rest.

From the Latvian students, this individuals comes close:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5814&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5815&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5816&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5817&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5818&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5819&stc=1&d=1284933663

Eastbaltids seem to be particularly common in North-Eastern Finland, White Sea region and the Eastern inland-areas of the Balticum.

Generally in areas which were or still are Finno-Ugric at some point in prehistory or history.

Mordid

09-19-2010, 10:15 PM

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5819&stc=1&d=1284933663
Were she crying ? :(

Anyway, could you post a picture of Polish Baltid ?

Agrippa

09-19-2010, 10:19 PM

I just made a quick search and found this girl, perfect example for a Polish Baltid/general Osteuropid variant:
http://www.gracelandministries.com/dorota1.jpg

Mordid

09-19-2010, 10:27 PM

I just made a quick search and found this girl, perfect example for a Polish Baltid/general Osteuropid variant:
http://www.gracelandministries.com/dorota1.jpg
She's a good example of Baltid.
Have you been to Poland ? If yeah, have you seen a lot of them that has Baltid look ?

I just realise that Agrippa's absolutely right about Baltid influence because my nose tip is very similiar to Baltid one.

Agrippa

09-19-2010, 10:30 PM

She's a good example of Baltid.
Have you been to Poland ? If yeah, have you seen a lot of them that has Baltid look ?

Let's put it that way, they came to my area and I had enough TV-documentaries and the like with which I got a very good impression of the Polish variation.

And Baltid is probably the most common or second most common (after Nordid) type in Poland generally and for many regions/regional ancestries (because of the modern migrations) in particular.

But like it is with Alpinoids, most Poles which are strongly Baltid have another influence, mostly Dinarid (rather Norid), Nordid, Eastalpinid or Pontid.

I just realise that Agrippa's absolutely right about Baltid influence because my nose tip is very similiar to thier one.

It could come from another Cromagnoid influence too, because they all have similar noses, unlike typical Aurignacoids and Taurids, yet if Baltid runs in your family, it is just most likely that it comes from the Baltid element.

Mordid

09-19-2010, 10:42 PM

It could come from another Cromagnoid influence too, because they all have similar noses, unlike typical Aurignacoids and Taurids, yet if Baltid runs in your family, it is just most likely that it comes from the Baltid element.
Actually, my nose is more longer and narrow but the tip of my nose is broader and it look similiar to Baltid one. Do you agree, Agrippa ?

Tomasz

09-19-2010, 10:49 PM

I just made a quick search and found this girl, perfect example for a Polish Baltid/general Osteuropid variant:
http://www.gracelandministries.com/dorota1.jpg

Hah! It's the exact same picture I gave to DarkCorded as example of Polish Baltid. :)

Anyway, I completely second what Agrippa said about racial makeup of Poles.

Mordid

09-19-2010, 10:56 PM

Hah! It's the exact same picture I gave to DarkCorded as example of Polish Baltid. :)
:thumb001:

Anyway, I completely second what Agrippa said about racial makeup of Poles.

Abssolutely agree! :)

Mordid

09-19-2010, 10:57 PM

How would you make racial type of Baltid in Poland ? 40 % ?

Mordid

09-19-2010, 11:40 PM

Are they good example of Baltid ? If not, tell me what are they (influence) ?

http://bi.gazeta.pl/im/8/4896/z4896658X.jpg
http://www.jolalipka.com/urszula_grabowska/fotosy/grabowska2.jpg
http://oceniam.pl/uploads/person_images/1244570641-urszulagrabowska.jpg
http://www.filmpolski.pl/z1/67z/18467_7.jpg

http://www.jolalipka.com/images/fotki/z_grabowska.jpg
http://www.gudejko.pl/images/photos/midi/a/K/Grabowska_Zuzanna_01.jpg
http://republika.pl/blog_pi_4849422/7464942/tr/z._grabowska.jpg

http://republika.pl/blog_wy_3876241/5031674/tr/anita_jancia.jpg
http://www.m-jak-milosc.pl/files/photo/full_123/150/231/7_00/45830646.jpg
http://www.zeberka.pl/img/maj/724.jpg

http://www.jolalipka.com/images/fotki/jedrzejewska.jpg
http://www.wds.pl/ftp/10/123/%5B5499%5D_jedrzejewska_a.jpg
http://wwww.vipnews.pl/pic/044/78/57026.jpg

http://www.polskiefilmy.com/images/barbara_kaluzna.jpg
http://c.wrzuta.pl/wm5543/aa32fc020026619046ae6b2c/0/barbara%20kaluzna
http://c.wrzuta.pl/wm16753/383705d60014de7746ae6b1f/0/barbara%20kaluzna
http://img.jestnaj.pl/5671/300x600-barbara-kaluzna-1.jpg

http://www.polskiefilmy.com/images/dorota_kaminska.jpg
http://www.jolalipka.com/images/fotki/kaminska.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/6e/Kaminska_Dorota.jpg/475px-Kaminska_Dorota.jpg

Agrippa

09-20-2010, 11:46 AM

Majority Baltid, but some have significant Nordid influences (like No. 1) and 3 is even minimum as much Nordid as Baltid.

Hweinlant

09-20-2010, 12:25 PM

I like how those pictures look like, I think they all are Nordid. The Ugly people are East Baltids.

Mordid

09-20-2010, 12:36 PM

I like how those pictures look like, I think they all are Nordid. The Ugly people are East Baltids.

I think Baltid (proper) look way better than East Baltid because East Baltid look weird but if they are mixed with Nordid, they would look much better. :thumb001:

Tomasz

09-20-2010, 02:06 PM

Predominantly Nordid girls with some Baltid influences tend to be extremely attractive to me. :)

Mordid

09-20-2010, 03:19 PM

Predominantly Nordid girls with some Baltid influences tend to be extremely attractive to me. :)
I agree. :thumb001:

Mordid

09-20-2010, 05:17 PM

By looking at these picture of a example of Baltid (proper), they look much similiar to Borreby and even sometime Bruenn. Would you say they would look exotic in Western Europe ?

Agrippa

09-20-2010, 06:46 PM

Most of the time yes, but there are reduced Cromagnoid variants which can look Baltiform, which shouldn't be a surprise, if the base and development was similar...

Breedingvariety

11-12-2011, 05:37 PM

Single examples from the Latvian sample:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5803&stc=1&d=1284918943

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5805&stc=1&d=1284918945
These two is what I woud consider Baltid proper. Unfortunately such could be found among Lithuanians. And even more Baltid menwise. The woman looks cute. The man..., well, not something to write home about, innit?

(mixed)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5807&stc=1&d=1284930298

(possible recent Mongoloid influence)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5808&stc=1&d=1284930298
These two are very rare among Lithuanians. I would not call them by any means usual.

(Westbaltid tendency - Eastbaltid predominant)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5809&stc=1&d=1284930298

(Westbaltid influence)
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5810&stc=1&d=1284930298
These two could be found among Lithuanians.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5811&stc=1&d=1284930298
That's super extreme.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5814&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5815&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5816&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5817&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5818&stc=1&d=1284933663

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5819&stc=1&d=1284933663

These seem quite Lithuanian.

By looking at these picture of a example of Baltid (proper), they look much similiar to Borreby and even sometime Bruenn. Would you say they would look exotic in Western Europe ?
I think Eastern/ North Eastern European women with their make up rarely would look out of place in Western Europe. Southern/ South Eastern Europe probably out of place.

Mordid

11-12-2011, 05:53 PM

Pred. Baltids:
http://sb.westfordk12.us/pages/6gweb/6gss/wtravel10/B/bmeg/images/polish%20woman.jpg
http://poetrywriting.org/Sketchbook0-0Biographies/images2/KatarzynaPredotaPL_01.jpg
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/slav5.jpg
http://cdn4.asteroid.pl/c20/a.fotka.pl/066/406/66406159_500_s.jpg
Pred. East Baltid (the one on left) and pred. Baltid (the one on back left):
http://s009.radikal.ru/i308/1106/c2/55da48cd7d3f.jpg

W. R.

11-12-2011, 07:30 PM

These two is what I woud consider Baltid proper. Unfortunately such could be found among Lithuanians.What do you have against Baltids?

Rosenrot

11-12-2011, 07:37 PM

Ukranian girls
http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/41258_436724900237_651215237_4953947_8150111_a.jpg

http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/75014_10150110201074942_796584941_7721518_165796_n .jpg

Russian girl
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/8721_155694593887_620283887_2595199_325703_n.jpg

this swedish boy sems pred. Baltid, but he's making gremaces on all his pictures. This is the most serious one i've found. He also looks to the mixed examples posted before by agrippa.
http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/59437_10150274667960637_559880636_14755772_8117741 _n.jpg

Breedingvariety

11-12-2011, 08:11 PM

What do you have against Baltids?
I consider myself predominantly Baltid.

Take this guy:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5803&stc=1&d=1284918943
Now, he is young. Imagine more mature and even more round or square headed version. Would you say such traits are desirable?

I have nothing against so called West Baltid types, but very Baltid type is nothing to cheer for. Let's just say I don't find it neither attractive nor impressive. Although Baltid women don't look as bad compared to men.

Mordid

11-12-2011, 08:32 PM

Rose, only the first one is Baltid proper, while others is not.

More example of Baltids proper:
http://s003.radikal.ru/i201/1010/f6/d29091c89938.jpg
http://s002.radikal.ru/i200/1010/d5/8f174128ee94.jpg
http://s016.radikal.ru/i337/1011/e9/bbc71b7f4ba0.jpg
http://s008.radikal.ru/i304/1106/9b/e23c62a7d384.jpg
http://ssmu.mcgill.ca/polska/nowa_strona/English/executives_files/aneta_mpsa.jpg
http://www.flog.pl/media/foto/2816531_patrycja-1.jpg
If you want to look more picture of Baltids example, you can find one on Polish (http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?t=20974) thread.

I consider myself predominantly Baltid.

Take this guy:
http://www.theapricity.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=5803&stc=1&d=1284918943
Now, he is young. Imagine more mature and even more round or square headed version. Would you say such traits are desirable?

I have nothing against so called West Baltid types, but very Baltid type is nothing to cheer for. Let's just say I don't find it neither attractive nor impressive. Although Baltid women don't look as bad compared to men.
Didn't you say you're partly Lappid? In that case, you might be East Baltid.
Indeed, extreme Baltid type is too sweet to my taste. Pre. Nordid girls with some Baltid influences and vice versa are stunning to me. Baltid people pretend to play as good person role while they are actually not. They are naughty, cheeky and piggy. :D

Agrippa

11-12-2011, 08:35 PM

Some of the girls show quite obvious Atlanto-Nordoid influences, especially this one clear Nordid in my opinion if going after that picture:
http://s002.radikal.ru/i200/1010/d5/8f174128ee94.jpg

Mordid

11-12-2011, 08:38 PM

Agrippa

11-12-2011, 08:41 PM

Just compare her with the classic Baltid you provided yourself:
http://sb.westfordk12.us/pages/6gweb/6gss/wtravel10/B/bmeg/images/polish%20woman.jpg

The deviation is clear - towards Nordoid. I'm pretty sure, even though not certain, that she will be even more Nordoid from other perspectives.

Breedingvariety

11-12-2011, 08:42 PM

Didn't you say you're partly Lappid? In that case, you might be East Baltid.
In no way I could be considered East Baltid. I would consider myself West Baltid.

I also said I had slight Nordid as well as Lapid.

In England I've been thought to be German or Swedish as well as Polish or Russian.

I would not stand out in Germany. At least I wouldn't too much.

Mordid

11-12-2011, 08:44 PM

Breedingvariety

11-12-2011, 08:58 PM

This is hangovered me, as I usually am:

Agrippa

11-13-2011, 09:29 AM

This is hangovered me, as I usually am:

Pred. Nordid going after that pic.

Sylvanus

11-14-2011, 08:08 PM

Some of the girls show quite obvious Atlanto-Nordoid influences, especially this one clear Nordid in my opinion if going after that picture:
http://s002.radikal.ru/i200/1010/d5/8f174128ee94.jpg

Götatyp, no doubt! :) In earnest they the balto-nordid the clear transition of baltid and nordid. She have well-proportioned face of course.

11-14-2011, 08:19 PM

Stand aside now - the Baltiest of the Balts here! Facial composite of Lithuania's national football team (33 people)
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt152/smurkst/zzcomposites/allplayers-33.jpg

Mordid

11-14-2011, 08:39 PM

Stand aside now - the Baltiest of the Balts here! Facial composite of Lithuania's national football team (33 people)
http://i607.photobucket.com/albums/tt152/smurkst/zzcomposites/allplayers-33.jpg
Interestingly, the Polish male seem Baltid comparison to Lithuanian male.
http://i903.photobucket.com/albums/ac236/david100_photo/AveragePolishmaleandfemale.jpg
Pred. Nordid with Ost-Europid/Baltid influence, not proper Baltid at least. You know, they are much more snaky than women on average. They don't understand me/don't like me, I don't understand/like them. Must be deeply rooted in the racial discrepancy. Fuck them, anyway.

Polish actress, Regular Baltid:
http://www.filmpolski.pl/z1/26o/22526_1.jpg
http://e4.pudelek.pl/p83/b831ca50001e682d4775baa3
http://static.hotplota.pl/hotplota/hp-content/hp-imager/cmpictureimage//dcfzdcfz1/katarzyna-bujakiewicz-nie-jest-w-ciazy-img2U3HsJ.jpg
http://www.kobieta.byc.pl/photo//max_1997_kasiabvi.jpg

11-14-2011, 08:48 PM

Interestingly, the Polish male seem Baltid comparison to Lithuanian male. Nah, I'm afraid Lithuanian one is more Balty. Us Balties have a copyright on the "Baltic-ness", see :p

Pred. Nordid with Ost-Europid/Baltid influence, not proper Baltid at least. You know, they are much more snaky than women on average. They don't understand me/don't like me, I don't understand/like them. Must be deeply rooted in the racial discrepancy. Full stop. Fuck them, anyway.
Who's snaky and doesn't understand you, Mordy?? Baltid men??? lol

Mordid

11-14-2011, 08:52 PM

Nah, I'm afraid Lithuanian one is more Balty. Us Balties have a copyright on the "Baltic-ness", see :p
I'm talking about phenotype, not ethnicity... Baltid doesn't equal Baltic as you should know. ;)

Who's snaky and doesn't understand you, Mordy?? Baltid men??? lol
Thanks god my mother isn't Baltid.

Breedingvariety

11-14-2011, 10:46 PM

Interestingly, the Polish male seem Baltid comparison to Lithuanian male.
Composite of Lithuanian football players, not of random men.

Who's snaky and doesn't understand you, Mordy?? Baltid men??? lol
He's legendary Mordid.;)

Sylvanus

11-15-2011, 11:53 AM

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Pred. Nordid with Ost-Europid/Baltid influence, not proper Baltid at least. You know, they are much more snaky than women on average. They don't understand me/don't like me, I don't understand/like them. Must be deeply rooted in the racial discrepancy. Fuck them, anyway.

Would you tell me more of this? Hidden subracial segregation among poles or something? Trust me I am reduced cromagnid too. :rolleyes:

Septentrion

01-13-2013, 06:00 PM

North Alpinoid is Borreby-Nordid? I think the term is usually used for Borreby.

West Baltids are common along Baltic sea coast from Poland to Estonia. So Estonia, Latvia should have higher percentages of them. There is probably their center.

Estonians

http://uuseesti.ee/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/kajariklettenberg.jpg

http://www.mil.ee/uudisepilt/1192kinkryyner.jpg

http://www.mil.ee/uudisepilt/thumbs/1403Jeeser_1.jpg

http://f.postimees.ee/f/2009/11/10/264919t41h9c0c.jpg

Latvians

http://www.aprinkis.lv/_upload/pictures/418028/erviins_kopeika.jpg

http://diena.lv/upload/article/0073/728523/1309673_BIG_1271315040.jpg

http://www.bdcol.ee/fileadmin/photos/HCSC2007/Gundars-Abols.jpg
Yep, true West Baltid racial type is more concentrated in Baltic nations, especially Estonia.

Septentrion

01-13-2013, 06:26 PM

I would like to start a thread about this interesting racial type (Proper Baltid).
I'm going to ask you question so i'd apperciate it if you give me an answer and something. :)

Where Baltid type come from ? Are they an eastern version of Borreby ? If so, what is difference between Borreby and Baltid (proper) ? Are Baltid very commong among Poles and Lithuanian people ?

Could you please post of Baltid sample ? :)
It is so easy Baltid racial type main concentration is in eastern Poland,Ukraine,Belarus and western Russia. Thus it's located in the "cradle of the Slavic people" and corresponds to Carleton Coon's Neo-Danubian racial type. They have a medium/short stature, medium/ stocky body-build, skin is fair and hair varies from brown to blonde, eye color is usually light(blue/gray/green), but many have dark-mixed(brown+blue/gray/-green). This type is also common in Baltic nations, especially in Lithuania and eastern Finland. The difference between them and East Baltid is in the lack of semi-Mongoloid(Lappid in particular) elements, as well as less Nordid too.

Septentrion

01-13-2013, 06:28 PM

It is so easy Baltid racial type main concentration is in eastern Poland,Ukraine,Belarus and western Russia. Thus it's located in the "cradle of the Slavic people" and corresponds to Carleton Coon's Neo-Danubian racial type. They have a medium/short stature, medium/ stocky body-build, skin is fair and hair varies from brown to blonde, eye color is usually light(blue/gray/green), but many have dark-mixed(brown+blue/gray/-green). This type is also common in Baltic nations, especially in Lithuania and eastern Finland. The difference between them and East Baltid is in the lack of semi-Mongoloid(Lappid in particular) elements, as well as less Nordid too.
The Russian president Vladimir Putin is an excellent example.