English speakers: do you refer to the Netherlands as "Netherlands" or "Holland"?

[Sikeliot]

A lot of Americans say Holland, rather than the Netherlands. I am unsure why.

[NewYorker]

A lot of Americans say Holland, rather than the Netherlands. I am unsure why.
I use both names, but it seems easier and more consistent to use one-word country names, like Holland, instead of "The Netherlands." Just as it's easier to say "China" instead of "The People's Republic of China."

[Iloko]

I say Netherlands.

I've heard of the word Holland before but never really knew its true meaning, until now lol.

[zhaoyun]

Netherlands

[Bezprym]

Calling the Netherlands "Holland" is like calling the United States "Texas".

[Skjaldemjøden]

In English I use the Netherlands, but it's commonly called Holland here. I've only heard a few people use Nederlandene.

Calling the Netherlands "Holland" is like calling the United States "Texas".

exactly lol. at least for some languages like in english and dutch

[Bezprym]

In English I use the Netherlands, but it's commonly called Holland here. I've only heard a few people use Nederlandene.

Same here. In English I always say "the Netherlands", although in Polish language it is a different story.

[Mortimer]

In German mostly Holland in English mostly Netherlands, eventhough in german the word Niederlande exists too but I guess Holland is more commanly used.

[Milo]

We usually call it the Netherlands here

[Poise n Pen]

Germans called it Holland prewar and that is why most people do (or did) in the USA. Now it is largely shifted to Netherlands.

[Jackson]

Use both but it's more commonly called Holland here, probably because it's easier to say and more people are familiar with it, perhaps.

[N1019]

I say The Netherlands or structure my sentences in a way that allows me to say "Dutch" instead, but most people of Dutch descent whom I've known referred to it as Holland. My Philips electric shaver is marked "Made in Holland".

[Ouistreham]

Calling the Netherlands "Holland" is like calling the United States "Texas".
More exactly, it's like saying "England" for "UK".

A problem with English is that there is only one adjective for both Hollands and Nederlands: "Dutch" (whereas French distinguishes between hollandais and néerlandais).
Oh yes, the word "Hollandic" doest exist in English but only within the academic/linguistic field.

There is a similar issue with Finland. French distinguishes between finlandais and finnois (Swedish finländsk and finsk) for "Finnish", English doesn't.

[frankhammer]

Holland mostly. Netherlands occasionally.

[Autrigón]

I am not an english speaker but here is my contribution. In Spain ALL the people say "Holland", you only listen "Paises Bajos" (Netherlands) in tv news or something. In fact "Netherlander" doesn't have translation in spanish so we say "Hollander".

[Bobby Martnen]

Both, but usually Holland.

[Norb]

I previously called it Holland but then when I learned that it was called The Netherlands this is what I called it

[Senpai]

Usually say Netherlands, bu when talking to someone not as cultured, I tend to say Holland.

[Joso]

Holland. Every other language call it with words simlar to Holland.

[Kaspias]

Usually Netherlands.

Turks calling as "Hollanda"
Greeks calling as "Ollandía"
Bulgarians calling as "Kholandiya"

[gıulıoımpa]

although i know holland is just a province in particular of the Netherlands in italian we have two interchangeable terms

we can use "Olanda" or "Paesi Bassi"( lowcountries) , they have the same meaning

[Óttar]

Calling the Netherlands "Holland" is like calling Great Britain "England."

[Dandelion]

Good that so many use the correct name.

[Mingle]

Calling the Netherlands "Holland" is like calling the United States "Texas".

Not exactly. Holland is much much more important to the Netherlands than Texas is to USA. Its more like calling the UK "England".

Also, some Dutch people themselves call the entire country "Holland" sometimes. So the promotion of the term "Holland" for the whole country is partially their fault.

[Dandelion]

Well, Holland is the informal name standing for the whole. However, I find it classless and I say Netherlands whenever I can (or 'Nederland' in my native tongue). Some Belgians do say 'Ik ben in Holland geweest/ Waar in Holland dan?/ In Eindhoven/ Da's Noord-Brabant, man.' but I don't.

[Marinus]

I always refer to the country as the Netherlands, the only time I'll use Holland is when I'm talking about their national football team.

I know a lot of people who do use Holland though.

[Mingle]

I always refer to the country as the Netherlands, the only time I'll use Holland is when I'm talking about their national football team.

I know a lot of people who do use Holland though.I think the term Holland is much more common in the UK than the US. I've heard others say the same.

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[Ülev]

Holland - Poland, what's the difference, like Slovenia - Slovakia :p

[The Lawspeaker]

https://static1.fjcdn.com/comments/Say+_e62c43738d1b6c35a5daa59c3f283447.png

Say "Holland" again ! I dare you, I double dare you, motherf@ckers ! Say "Holland" one more goddamn time !

[Bobby Martnen]

Say "Holland" again ! I dare you, I double dare you, motherf@ckers ! Say "Holland" one more goddamn time !

Francoise Holland.

[Ülev]

polish wikipedia says - Holandia :rolleyes:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holandia

[Dandelion]

polish wikipedia says - Holandia :rolleyes:
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holandia

Yet, the Kingdom of the Netherlands is Królestwo Niderlandów in Polish. How would a pompous Polish linguistic purist say Nizozemsko in Polish?

[Ülev]

Yet, the Kingdom of the Netherlands is Królestwo Niderlandów in Polish. How would a pompous Polish linguistic purist say Nizozemsko in Polish?

Niderlandy, Olędrzy (Dutch people) are from "Fryzja i Niderlandy"
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ol%C4%99drzy

Niderlandy ---> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niderlandy_(region_historyczny)

[Dandelion]

Niderlandy, Olędrzy (Dutch people) are from "Fryzja i Niderlandy"
https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ol%C4%99drzy

Niderlandy ---> https://pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niderlandy_(region_historyczny)

All loanwords man. I meant a neologism in Polish with Slavic vocabulary. Not in actual Polish, but in pseudo-Polish that could have been. :p

Here's a dictionary for Dutch purists. Interesting, but it'd be weird using most of those suggestions. Some are actual words in Dutch, others are neologisms they've invented and that never caught on.

http://bondtegenleenwoorden.nl/


And for English there's also Anglish.

[Ülev]

All loanwords man. I meant a neologism in Polish with Slavic vocabulary. Not in actual Polish, but in pseudo-Polish that could have been. :p

Here's a dictionary for Dutch purists. Interesting, but it'd be weird using most of those suggestions. Some are actual words in Dutch, others are neologisms they've invented and that never caught on.

http://bondtegenleenwoorden.nl/


And for English there's also Anglish.

lol, I have no idea, one what I think we can do... unban Rethel, he knows all

[Dandelion]

lol, I have no idea, one what I think we can do... unban Rethel, he knows all

Polish seems to have lost the first word of that compound.

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Slavic/niz%D1%8A

[Ülev]

Yet, the Kingdom of the Netherlands is Królestwo Niderlandów in Polish. How would a pompous Polish linguistic purist say Nizozemsko in Polish?

but I propose Dolna Kraina - per analogy to Nizozemsko, if Nizo is from nizko/low, and zemsko means country (old meaning)

[Insuperable]

Netherlands.

[Ayetooey]

Netherlands. All my friends who get the train from London to Amsterdam to go to the cafes will say "getting the train to Netherlands" or "getting the train to "dam", never "Holland".

[Ülev]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/84/1815-VerenigdKoninkrijkNederlanden-en.svg
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1815-VerenigdKoninkrijkNederlanden-en.svg

[Not a Cop]

Yet, the Kingdom of the Netherlands is Królestwo Niderlandów in Polish. How would a pompous Polish linguistic purist say Nizozemsko in Polish?

Its actually interesting that while we have both Holland and Netherlands here, there is only term Hollanders reffering to people, no such term as Netherlanders.

[The Lawspeaker]

"Netherlands" in English, "Nederland" in Dutch. The latter is a singular one and is a 19th century Orangist creation (the idea of a unitary state).
When referring to the Low Countries in general, I would use "Benelux", or more antiquated terms like "de Lage Landen" (the Low Countries) or "de Nederlanden" (the Netherlands).

Older terms for the Netherlands would be: "de Noordelijke Nederlanden" and for Belgium and Luxembourg: "de Zuidelijke Nederlanden".

[Cristiano viejo]

In Spain everybody say Holanda, despite the fact that everybody know its official name is Países Bajos.
What not many people know is that Holanda is just a region of Países Bajos.

[Graham]

Will say Netherlands but most people in Britain say Holland

[The Lawspeaker]

Anyway, my passport says: "Koninkrijk der Nederlanden".

https://www.reisverzekeringblog.nl/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/Nederlands-paspoort.png

[Mingle]

"Netherlands" in English, "Nederland" in Dutch. The latter is a singular one and is a 19th century Orangist creation (the idea of a unitary state).
When referring to the Low Countries in general, I would use "Benelux", or more antiquated terms like "de Lage Landen" (the Low Countries) or "de Nederlanden" (the Netherlands).

Older terms for the Netherlands would be: "de Noordelijke Nederlanden" and for Belgium and Luxembourg: "de Zuidelijke Nederlanden".

The term Netherlandish used to be used in the Middle Ages (Dutch was the word for all Continental West Germanic people back then). Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlandish_Proverbs) is an example of it being used.

[Benyzero]

We say holland too

[Tommie]

We use both "Netherlands" and "Holland" in English and in Romanian we say "Olanda".

[The Lawspeaker]

The term Netherlandish used to be used in the Middle Ages (Dutch was the word for all Continental West Germanic people back then). Here (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netherlandish_Proverbs) is an example of it being used.

I wonder what changed (for English-speakers) ?

[Creoda]

I get the feeling Holland was more common in the past in the English speaking world. I seem to recall hearing it a lot 15-20 years ago, not so much anymore.

Pedantry has had a revival with the internet.

[Mingle]

I wonder what changed (for English-speakers) ?

Due to geography, the English had more contact with Netherlanders (wars, trade, migration, rivalry, etc.) than they did with "other Dutch people" (i.e. Germans), so the term Dutch came to be specifically applied to Netherlanders over time. The Latin term German was then used for people from Germany.

[The Lawspeaker]

Due to geography, the English had more contact with Netherlanders (wars, trade, migration, rivalry, etc.) than they did with "other Dutch people" (i.e. Germans), so the term Dutch came to be specifically applied to Netherlanders over time. The Latin term German was then used for people from Germany.

That makes sense, when you think about it...

[Thorns]

Both, but much more commonly I call it The Netherlands.

[Ülev]

it looks like even Dutch people have problem with that
4:10 - 4:27

https://youtu.be/Qa0lNfaU4Bc