Haplogroup J2b origins?

[Nexus]

http://j2-m172.info/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/10/J2b-M102-Project-2009_edit-2015.png

[Arab_j2b1]

In my view I see the origin of the J2b came from the south of Arabian island and J2a from the east of Arabian island

[ShortBowMan]

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[global]

In my view I see the origin of the J2b came from the south of Arabian island and J2a from the east of Arabian island

The highest frequencies of this haplogroup in the world are observed in the Albanian speaking areas, representing anywhere from 15%-23% of the Albanian Y chromosome. The subclades that are found in Albanians belong almost exclusively downstream of J2b2-L283 or J2b2a (considered the oldest European J2) which is a subclade of J2b2-M241. J2b2-M241 is thought to have originated somewhere in Anatolia in the Mesolithic. The current hypothesis is that sometime in the early Neolithic, a group of these people got caught up in a Neolithic wave with one group migrating towards the Balkans defined by SNP J2b2-L283, and the other group migrating towards South Asia defined by SNP J2b2-Z2432, therefore according to this, the J2b2 found in South Asia is not a result of Alexander the Great troops from the Balkans as has been theorized before. According to YFull http://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M241/, the split happened by 9700 years ago. It is thought that sometime by the Late Neolithic this haplogroup (J2b2-L283 or J2b2a) was already in the Balkans where it diversified into further subclades and spread out in the rest of Europe in different waves starting in the Chalcolithic, although some people propose that this haplogroup spread in the British Isles and other parts of Europe with the Roman soldiers recruited from the Balkans. Thus far, we have three Albanians who have done SNP testing downstream of J2b2-L283 (J2b2a) that I know of. A Kosovar Albanian belongs to J2b2-Z638*, an Albanian from Macedonia (me) belong to J2b2-Z1296*, and an anonymous sample from a study in Albania belongs to J2b2-Z1297*. This would indicate that so far we are showing diversity, as these SNPs according to YFull have separated 3800-4300 years ago.

It is not an Arabic marker. It's origins are uncertain.

[global]

The Arabic marker is j1. J2b is higher in coastal Arabia, probably Indian origin in that area.

[Arab_j2b1]

The Arabic marker is j1. J2b is higher in coastal Arabia, probably Indian origin in that area.

what do you mean by Indian in that area ??

[Milo]

J2 IS DRAVIDIAN

[Arab_j2b1]

J2 IS DRAVIDIAN

Progeny A: It is, as we said is the mother of the human species which breed first came out and did not leave Africa but is confined to the largest gathering it now in Sudan.

Progeny B: It's also not an African exiting They are few in number in Africa.

Progeny C: The progeny of these came out of which human groups: a part of them inhabitants of the subcontinent, Indian and Sri Lanka, show a little of them moved to the Americas and formed part of the Indians, part of which are the Mongol descendants Cengir Khan, the last part are the people of Aborigines Australian aborigines.

Progeny D: no part in Japan now ,, a large part of them are Tibetans.

Progeny of E: a progeny of the great origin Ethiopian plateau called progeny Middle an African ,, and I came up with the peoples of many, more Negroes Africa in Ethiopia, Kenya and more residents of sub-Saharan Africa, North Africa, the Berbers, the population of Egypt ancient Pharaohs, Sham housing part of the population and have a presence in, also the ancient Arabs, who returned from Padua and TaSeenMeem and Agdis and Giants, the Hyksos, Europe housing part.

Progeny F: There is the Indian part of it in the subcontinent Hindi, and a small portion is present in Portugal.

Progeny G: dynasty called Caucasian or Estonian, both the Caucasus and Abkhazia, Georgia's population and have a presence in the Arab countries.

Progeny H: They breed Indian great Indian subcontinent and nearby areas vs. exist. And also part of the Roma in Europe, they spread the fact that a large part of them belongs to this strain.

Progeny I: The Vikings are part of northern Europe Scandinavian population, a part of them inhabitants of the Balkans, a small mow live Germany.

Progeny of J: is a two-part Kparien J1 are the Arabs of the Arabian Peninsula residents who are also entering into indefinite progeny a Mediterranean ,, J2 is the most dubbed the Mediterranean descent and also called progeny Romania Greco ,, both the peoples of the Romans and Greeks, and also including Alvenqaan, part of which the population of the Arabian Peninsula ,, and part of a very large and bulky migrated eastward and housing of India and the country of Baksan to Iran.

Strains K + T: It Ncit in the Iranian plateau However, they think few in Iran, there is a presence in the Arab countries.

Progeny of L: a breed found in India, including the main of Dravidiin pyramid known Hindu, also in Sarlinka ,, and Roma are deployed in eastern Europe as part of them from this strain.

Progeny M: found in New Guinea.

Progeny N: Ncit and in the Siberian plains and the north of Magnolia, and I have a large group of them migrated and lived in Finland, now dubbed the Finnish descent.

Progeny O: It is the largest breed in the world and belongs China, Indonesia, the Philippines, Malaysia and Koraovcnam population and a large part of a Japanese breed Asia.

Progeny P: located in southern Siberia in Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan are scattered near the Black Sea.

Progeny Q: out of which human groups, Sknu the Americas and part of them over the Indians, and part of China's housing, and part is still in Siberia. A small part of India.

Progeny R: It is two great: R1a which originated north of the Black Sea and distributed housing India's partition, a large ground dwelling from Pakistan to Iran and the department, a majority which, housing Russia Ukraine part of a majority which, by biting the scientists call the progeny Slavic ,, large part the other R1b also in the emergence of the northern black Sea and the great migration to the West, including most of Western Europe's population and are the majority there and breed called the Atlantic Ocean, including the silt and Alangelusaksn and Goths and others.

[Wrong]

LOL

[Arab_j2b1]

Actually the haplogroup j2b spreaded from the levant in the bronze age

http://f.top4top.net/p_3009ussp1.jpg (http://up.top4top.net/)

http://ser1.almlf.com/i/00017/mc6f0ce3kkrr.png (http://www.almlf.com/mc6f0ce3kkrr.html)

http://ser1.almlf.com/i/00017/c2mcsn04i8p8.jpg (http://www.almlf.com/c2mcsn04i8p8.html)

[Trojet]

Actually the haplogroup j2b spreaded from the levant in the bronze age

http://f.top4top.net/p_3009ussp1.jpg (http://up.top4top.net/)

http://ser1.almlf.com/i/00017/mc6f0ce3kkrr.png (http://www.almlf.com/mc6f0ce3kkrr.html)

http://ser1.almlf.com/i/00017/c2mcsn04i8p8.jpg (http://www.almlf.com/c2mcsn04i8p8.html)

That would be likely correct for J2b1-M205.
J2b2a-M241 (L283 Europe, Z2432 South Asia) is a different story. Not all 'J2b' is the same. J2b-M102 split into J2b1 and J2b2 ca. 15800 ybp and most likely it wasn't in the Levant: https://www.yfull.com/tree/J-M102/

The pic on the opening thread pretty nicely lays out these J2b branches:
http://j2-m172.info/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2015/10/J2b-M102-Project-2009_edit-2015.png

[Pahli]

J came from the Caucasus, CHG master race, nothing to do with with OCD subhumans (obsessive caucasus dilemmma)

[Wrong]

J2b2 in India is actually from Alexander The Great's army, the Bactrian kingdom which lasted for awhile. It mutated many times due to the birthrates in India.

It's impossible to believe anything else honestly and it is no doubt his troops left his mark there thanks to their high status.

Apart from Northwest India, it's is Qatar-Bahrain where Alexander's troops also settled, downstream from the Balkan one!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8122/8676734292_fa9cb7b11a_b.jpg

[blondbeast]

Indo-european haplogroup.

[Lek]

Indo-european haplogroup.

What makes you think that ?

[blondbeast]

What makes you think that ?

R1a, R1b, J2, Ev13(Celts, thracians, hellenes etc) all haplogroups brought to Europe by Indo-Europeans. What's there not to understand?

[Lek]

proof?

[Jana]

J2b2 looks like Indo-European spread haplogroup, but J2b1 looks like something bit different (it's more mysterious origin :))

[catgeorge]

J+I came from the same branch its a brother haplo like R1a + R1b - G also belonged to I+J but split earlier.

If you have J you are certainly no Yamnaya white chinese R1 like me.

[Wrong]

J+I came from the same branch its a brother haplo like R1a + R1b - G also belonged to I+J but split earlier.

If you have J you are certainly no Yamnaya white chinese R1 like me.
This is not relevant to the discussion.

I and J are even separately more distant in age than Q & R (P) are together.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_IJ

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haplogroup_P_(Y-DNA)

[Jana]

J+I came from the same branch its a brother haplo like R1a + R1b - G also belonged to I+J but split earlier.
If you have J you are certainly no Yamnaya white chinese R1 like me.

Yes, but the subclades matter not the branch itself. Not all R1 were part of Indo-European expansion (look at mesolithic R1a in Karelia), and J2b2 strongly correlates with Indo-European expansion (Europe & South Asia).

[Enflamme]

Yes, but the subclades matter not the branch itself. Not all R1 were part of Indo-European expansion (look at mesolithic R1a in Karelia), and J2b2 strongly correlates with Indo-European expansion (Europe & South Asia).

J2b = Sardinian = not Indo-European = TRUE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN

[LoLeL]

J came from the Caucasus, CHG master race, nothing to do with with OCD subhumans (obsessive caucasus dilemmma)

West Asia is more accurate.

[Governor]

J2b = Sardinian = not Indo-European = TRUE ANCIENT EGYPTIAN

I don't think J2b is ancient Egytian.

[Enflamme]

I don't think J2b is ancient Egytian.

http://www.theapricity.com/forum/image.php?u=15966&dateline=1494413525

[Tschaikisten]

New study!
The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe
(http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
J2b2a-L283 from Bronze Age Croatia 1500-1700 BCE
Iboussieres25-1 10090-9460 BCE WHG J?
I5068 5500-4775 BCE LBK_Austria J2
there is more samples, for now I see 3 J...

[Jana]

New study!
The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe
(http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
J2b2a-L283 from Bronze Age Croatia 1500-1700 BCE

Is this confirmed ? If yes, than it's pretty much an Illyrian marker.

[Tschaikisten]

Is this confirmed ? If yes, than it's pretty much an Illyrian marker.

Yes it's confirmed. Also R1b in Lepenski Vir. xD

[Jana]

Yes it's confirmed. Also R1b in Lepenski Vir. xD

Wow, isn't than a neolithic site ? That means that R1b in there is pre-IE, right ?

[Tschaikisten]

Wow, isn't than a neolithic site ? That means that R1b in there is pre-IE, right ?

It's Mesolithic, pre Neolithic site. So i'ts possible that R1b migrated from there to the east.

[Wrong]

New study!
The Genomic History Of Southeastern Europe
(http://biorxiv.org/content/early/2017/05/09/135616)
J2b2a-L283 from Bronze Age Croatia 1500-1700 BCE
Iboussieres25-1 10090-9460 BCE WHG J?
I5068 5500-4775 BCE LBK_Austria J2
there is more samples, for now I see 3 J...

Great find!
and where is I2a1b that Bosnians love to mention? :D :D :D :D

[Tschaikisten]

Great find!
and where is I2a1b? :D :D :D :D

Here

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/52/Ukrainian_steppe.jpg

[Jana]

The Bosnian Illyrianists will be crushed. :D:(

[Tschaikisten]

The Bosnian Illyrianists will be crushed. :D:(
HAHHAAHHAAHA THAT'S IT

[Dema]

The Bosnian Illyrianists will be crushed. :D:(

Dont forget Dalmatian ones also..

[Voskos]

Dont forget Dalmatian ones also..

the dogs you mean?

[Taiguaitiaoghyrmmumin]

J2b2 in India is actually from Alexander The Great's army, the Bactrian kingdom which lasted for awhile. It mutated many times due to the birthrates in India.

It's impossible to believe anything else honestly and it is no doubt his troops left his mark there thanks to their high status.

Apart from Northwest India, it's is Qatar-Bahrain where Alexander's troops also settled, downstream from the Balkan one!

https://c1.staticflickr.com/9/8122/8676734292_fa9cb7b11a_b.jpg

Its not from alexander.

[Arab_j2b1]

Is the j2b has the same spread of the j1 haplogroup?

There are three samples of the two haplogroups found it in the different area

1. Canaanite burial from Sidon
http://www.cell.com/ajhg/fulltext/S0002-9297(17)30276-8

2.Early Bronze Age Jordan
https://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v536/n7617/full/nature19310.html

3.Egyptian mummy
https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms15694

Also don't forget the sample of j2b in Zagros Mountains

http://science.sciencemag.org/content/early/2016/07/13/science.aaf7943

[Arab_j2b1]

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[Arab_j2b1]

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[Arab_j2b1]

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