Classify some European-looking Turkish footballers, and where can they pass?

[Tooting Carmen]

Onur Kivrak
http://imgz.star.com.tr/imgsdisk/2015/08/03/030820151632508865592_2.jpg

Caner Erkin
http://www.emlakmetrekare.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/259.jpg

Enes Unal
http://img7.mynet.com/spr/article//2015/06/26/enes-640.jpg

Harun Tekin
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPCs59tvzjbh6VIgXF6Kq3R18KGf_7D sGOeDxeuuiqV1oksy04

Çağlar Söyüncü
http://fotocdncube.gazetevatan.com/vatanmediafile/Sampiyon620x350/2016/01/05/besiktas-tan-19-luk-yetenege-6-milyon--1930861.Jpeg

Hakan Balta
http://e0.365dm.com/08/06/800x600/Hakan-Balta-Turkey_921892.jpg?20080604111755

Serdar Aziz
http://imgs.star.com.tr/imgsdisk/2016/06/22/220620161656350446164_3.jpg

Hasan Ali Kaldirim
http://s.weltsport.net/bilder/spieler/gross/97862.jpg

Nuri Sahin
http://greginhollywood.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Nuri-Sahin.jpg

Gökhan Töre
http://www.futbol1903.com/Images/futbol1903-2016517213840-gokhan-tore-ye-veda-vakti-1457762178.jpg

Alper Potuk
http://kimdir.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Alper-Potuk-foto-galeri-5.jpg

[Sikeliot]

Italy, Balkan, some even Iberian.

[gültekin]

Harun Tekin
http://i.radikal.com.tr/150x113/2011/06/05/fft16_mf736323.Jpeg

he is musician from ankara https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harun_Tekin
this is the footballer Tekin (https://www.google.com.tr/search?q=caner+erkin&client=firefox-b&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwip08vxlsTPAhWmJMAKHTRNDo4Q_AUICSgC&biw=1366&bih=607#tbm=isch&q=harun+tekin+bursaspor&imgdii=7EHHxaVssV8-tM%3A%3B7EHHxaVssV8-tM%3A%3BJvSNtbUh9P7rnM%3A&imgrc=7EHHxaVssV8-tM%3A)
https://encrypted-tbn2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSPCs59tvzjbh6VIgXF6Kq3R18KGf_7D sGOeDxeuuiqV1oksy04
http://www.habertuar.com/images/haberler/harun_tekin_hedefim_milli_takima_gitmek.jpg

[The Blade]

Most could fit in Balkans. However, Gokhan Tore (despite light features) still looks Turkish.
The rest look mainly Dinaric and Mediterranean. Some have CM influence, others - Alpine.

[Böri]

Macedonia_immigrant
http://imgs.star.com.tr/imgsdisk/2016/06/22/220620161656350446164_3.jpg

Türk_Isparta (Interior Aegean)
http://s.weltsport.net/bilder/spieler/gross/97862.jpg


Türk_Samsun (Central Black Sea)
http://www.futbol1903.com/Images/futbol1903-2016517213840-gokhan-tore-ye-veda-vakti-1457762178.jpg

Turk_Bolvadin (might also be Tatar dude) Central Anatolia
http://kimdir.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Alper-Potuk-foto-galeri-5.jpg

Must check others

[nightrider+]

Sahin is strongly East Asian/mongoloid influenced. Tekin, Kaldirim and Poturk look Iranian.

[Böri]

Sahin is strongly East Asian/mongoloid influenced. Tekin, Kaldirim and Poturk look Iranian.

Ha ha ha. lol

[Myanthropologies]

The last one doesn't look really european.

[Charles Bronson]

I see some Turanids affected.

[nightrider+]

Ha ha ha. lol

This one is funnier:

http://i.imgur.com/6NFHbzJl.jpg

European looking. :icon_lol:

[Prutt]

Greek influence is way too obvious.

[gültekin]

Greek influence is way too obvious.
imao
http://1a3cd.http.mex01.cdn.softlayer.net/stadium-wembley/soccerly/2015/03/30/1427737859_1427737915.jpg
http://i1.mirror.co.uk/incoming/article3517774.ece/ALTERNATES/s615/Greece.jpg

[Danishmend]

Ethnic Turk from Alaşehir
http://imgz.star.com.tr/imgsdisk/2015/08/03/030820151632508865592_2.jpg

Ethnic Turk from Edremit
http://www.emlakmetrekare.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/259.jpg

From Bursa, cosmopolitan city (Turk or immigrant)
http://img7.mynet.com/spr/article//2015/06/26/enes-640.jpg

From İzmir, cosmopolitan city (Turk or immigrant)
http://fotocdncube.gazetevatan.com/vatanmediafile/Sampiyon620x350/2016/01/05/besiktas-tan-19-luk-yetenege-6-milyon--1930861.Jpeg

From Sakarya, cosmopolitan city (Turk or immigrant?)
http://e0.365dm.com/08/06/800x600/Hakan-Balta-Turkey_921892.jpg?20080604111755

Serdar Aziz (Macedonian immigrant, Turk or Pomak?)
http://imgs.star.com.tr/imgsdisk/2016/06/22/220620161656350446164_3.jpg

Ethnic Turk from Isparta, West Anatolia
http://s.weltsport.net/bilder/spieler/gross/97862.jpg

Ethnic Turk from Kırşehir, Central Anatolia
http://greginhollywood.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/Nuri-Sahin.jpg

Ethnic Turk from Black Sea
http://www.futbol1903.com/Images/futbol1903-2016517213840-gokhan-tore-ye-veda-vakti-1457762178.jpg

Ethnic Turk from Afyonkarahisar, West-Central Anatolia
http://kimdir.tv/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Alper-Potuk-foto-galeri-5.jpg[/QUOTE]

[Danishmend]

Greek influence is way too obvious.

None of these Turks overlap with Greeks (be it genetically or phenotypically). There might be 1 or 2 Pomaks among them and they overlap with Balkan Slavs, not with you curly haired Levantines.


Go stick to your LE1vantine kin.
http://i.hizliresim.com/Xd8zX7.png

[nightrider+]

Kivrak would fit in fine.

[Tooting Carmen]

The last one doesn't look really european.

You can find a good number of Southern Euros who are not too dissimilar.

[Myanthropologies]

You can find a good number of Southern Euros who are not too dissimilar.

Wouldn't they be atypical though?

[Tooting Carmen]

Wouldn't they be atypical though?

To some extent, but certainly far from rare as you imply. For example, he looks a bit like this Spanish footballer, Kiko Casilla:
http://estaticos.marca.com/imagenes/2015/10/29/en/football/real_madrid/1446157012_extras_noticia_foton_7_0.jpg

[Myanthropologies]

To some extent, but certainly far from rare as you imply. For example, he looks a bit like this Spanish footballer, Kiko Casilla:
http://estaticos.marca.com/imagenes/2015/10/29/en/football/real_madrid/1446157012_extras_noticia_foton_7_0.jpg

They don't look like each other at all. The last Turkish guy you posted looks Iranian to me.

[Danishmend]

As a group they don't look European and can't fit anywhere outside of Anatolia.

[Trojka]

passing as atypical in Balkanistan /= European looking

[Tooting Carmen]

For comparison, here are the football teams from Greece, Portugal and Serbia: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?186726-Which-team-does-team-Greece-resemble-more-team-Portugal-or-team-Serbia

[Olly]

They look like a mix of Anatolid, Turanid, Mediterranean, Slavic (the Blond guy) and God knows what else.

[Sebastianus Rex]

More than half don't look european.

[catgeorge]

caucasian, north caucasian mostly.

[JohnSmith]

Mostly Alpinish

[Newsboy]

caucasian, north caucasian mostly.

Agreed.

They don't look particularly Greek. It's not about pigmentation, but features.

[JMack]

Many of them would fit in Greece, Balkans and Sicily. Western anatolians are generally 'turkified' greeks, since turks were minorities moving to a place heavily populated.

[Danishmend]

Many of them would fit in Greece and Sicily.
No they wouldn't. They don't look Natufian enough to fit in Greece and Sicily. Turks and Greeks/Sicilians are worlds apart genetically.




Western anatolians are generally 'turkified' greeks since turks were minorities moving to a place heavily populated.

Only in your wet and obnoxious Natufian dreams. Western Anatolian Turks are a thousand times more Turkic than Sicilian quadroons are Indo-European.


Does this West Anatolian Turk look Greek to you?
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.74
2 South_Central_Asian 11.53
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.25
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.71
5 Tungus-Altaic 6.55
6 Near_East 5.53
7 East_Siberian 4.73
8 Arctic 3.48
9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
10 North_African 2.41
11 South_East_Asian 1.61
12 Melano_Polynesian 1.30
13 Australoid 1.01

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.885062
2 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.318324
3 Turk_Istanbul @ 8.869559
4 Turk @ 10.355407
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.021833
6 Azov_Greek @ 12.157321
7 Nogai @ 12.231788
8 Turk_Kayseri @ 13.440648
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.851104
10 Turk_Adana @ 13.981258
11 Cirkassian @ 14.427249
12 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 16.548096
13 Cretan @ 16.682146
14 Georgian_Jew @ 16.721102
15 Circassian @ 17.177387
16 Kumyk @ 17.458357
17 Greek_Macedonia @ 17.539604
18 Romanian_Jew @ 17.566490
19 Greek @ 17.602461
20 Kabardin @ 17.636078




Sicilian quadroons form a cluster between Moroccan Jews and Greeks.

[Böri]

In Turkey some people say that Hasan Ali looks like 'Turkic Jesus, when he grows long hair plus beard:-


http://s.weltsport.net/bilder/spieler/gross/97862.jpg

[JMack]

No they wouldn't. They don't look Natufian enough to fit in Greece and Sicily. Turks and Greeks/Sicilians are worlds apart genetically.




Only in your wet and obnoxious Natufian dreams. Western Anatolian Turks are a thousand times more Turkic than Sicilian quadroons are Indo-European.


Does this West Anatolian Turk look Greek to you?
# Population Percent
1 Caucasian 36.74
2 South_Central_Asian 11.53
3 European_Hunters_Gatherers 11.25
4 European_Early_Farmers 9.71
5 Tungus-Altaic 6.55
6 Near_East 5.53
7 East_Siberian 4.73
8 Arctic 3.48
9 Ancestral_Altaic 2.95
10 North_African 2.41
11 South_East_Asian 1.61
12 Melano_Polynesian 1.30
13 Australoid 1.01

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turk_Aydin @ 5.885062
2 Turk_Balikesir @ 8.318324
3 Turk_Istanbul @ 8.869559
4 Turk @ 10.355407
5 Crimean_Tatar_Mountain @ 12.021833
6 Azov_Greek @ 12.157321
7 Nogai @ 12.231788
8 Turk_Kayseri @ 13.440648
9 Crimean_Tatar_Coast @ 13.851104
10 Turk_Adana @ 13.981258
11 Cirkassian @ 14.427249
12 Stalskoe_Kumyk @ 16.548096
13 Cretan @ 16.682146
14 Georgian_Jew @ 16.721102
15 Circassian @ 17.177387
16 Kumyk @ 17.458357
17 Greek_Macedonia @ 17.539604
18 Romanian_Jew @ 17.566490
19 Greek @ 17.602461
20 Kabardin @ 17.636078




Sicilian quadroons form a cluster between Moroccan Jews and Greeks.

Lol. Bullshit. Very funny the desperate tentatives of turkish nationalists to deny they are a bunch of mongrels and not members of some ficticional 'turan' (Note: there's no problem with it, since the majority of ethnicities in the world are mixed between many people). All the studies that links sicilians with sub-saharians are heavilly contested , and exist many studies linking western anatolians (i wouldn't call these populations 'turk' genetically) to greeks and sicilians. But other thing we need to note is that mainland greeks and sicilians are different genetically, as mainland greeks exhibit far more northern european input than island greeks, sicilians and western anatolians. The case of Turkey is similar to that of Calabria, they're generally the same population of ancient times, with a little input from invaders and a language shift. Deal with it.

But i'm done with it, you won't accept simple facts and will post some heavily flawed things to support your wet dreams. Peace.

[JMack]

Other thing we need to note is that many eastern mediterranean populations heavily resemble each other. Original turks were mongoloids who inhabited the steppes and have nothing to do with the mediterranean.

[Böri]

Other thing we need to note is that many eastern mediterranean populations heavily resemble each other. Original turks were mongoloids who inhabited the steppes and have nothing to do with the mediterranean.

Lol butthurt. Guy provides study and test results and you it's Coon times butthurts. These last weeks I see more and more socks around, ever since the forum has been on after the one-month down, things changed a lot. TA Turks slay all competitors nowadays and appear one the best ethnos in the forum. asdasdfgjfgjdkghi :- After Turkey coup attempt nothing irl and on TA is the same as in the past.

[JMack]

Lol butthurt. Guy provides study and test results and you it's Coon times butthurts. These last weeks I see more and more socks around, ever since the forum has been on after the one-month down, things changed a lot. TA Turks slay all competitors nowadays and appear one the best ethnos in the forum. asdasdfgjfgjdkghi :- After Turkey coup attempt nothing irl and on TA is the same as in the past.

He doesn't even posted the source of these 'studies'. Show me the Turk Urheimat in the mediterranean. LOL.

[Prism]

Enes Unal is a woman, and it looks mulata not European.

[Ylla]

Serdar Aziz
http://imgs.star.com.tr/imgsdisk/2016/06/22/220620161656350446164_3.jpg

He is Albanian. The rest look Turkish and Turkic element makes them difficult to pass.

[Sikeliot]

If Turks do not look similar to Balkan, Sicilian, etc what do they look then?

[Danishmend]

But other thing we need to note is that mainland greeks and sicilians are different genetically, as mainland greeks exhibit far more northern european input than island greeks, sicilians and western anatolians.

Stop mentioning Western Anatolia already you obnoxious Natufian. Go stick to Levant, there lie your roots.

Comparison of Western Turks (Aydın and Balıkesir), Greeks, Sicilians and South Italians (Steppe K10). Western Turks and Sicilians/Greeks/South Italians are worlds apart genetically. Western Turks are closer to Turkish average than to any foreign population, in fact they have slightly more Turkic admixture than Turkish average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hb0GVyrf2ztR_QvoIYcmhWtsYv0p39avjqM-G3-6Xew/edit#gid=1809893991

Steppe = based on Yamnaya samples
Hindu-Kush = ANE-related South Central Asian component





Near_Eastern
East_Asian
Siberian
Oceanian
WHG_UHG
Sub_Saharan
Hindu_Kush
Steppe
Amerindian
Southeast_Asian


Turkish_Aydın
43,45
6,62
6,17
0,33
8,23
0,4
17,32
16,17
0,76
0,44


Turkish_Balıkesir
41,63
6,44
6,05
0,64
9,93
0,22
16,98
16,57
0,50
1,01


Greek
51,80
0,23
0,41
0,37
20,03
0,14
7,41
19,03
0,34
0,22


Sicilian
54,70
0,29
0,30
0,31
19,21
1,80
9,71
13,04
0,11
0,53


South_Italian
57,70
0,18
0,24
0,35
16,62
1,12
10,88
12,21
0,44
0,26





Here is the oracle result of Western Turks (Turkish_Balıkesir and Turkish_Aydın). This fucking Natufian's obsession with Western Turks is so annoying.


Western Turks are closest to Turkish average, then come Turkic North Caucasians (Kumyks, Balkars and Nogai), and then other Caucasus populations and Greeks.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 9,090625
2 Kumyk @ 14,251155
3 Balkar @ 15,730195
4 North_Ossetian @ 15,771541
5 Nogai @ 16,381739
6 Adygei @ 16,670521
7 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 18,06219
8 Abkhasian @ 18,944679
9 Greek @ 19,305232
10 Chechen @ 19,318086
11 Georgian @ 19,370041
12 Sicilian @ 19,876989
13 West_Sicilian @ 19,957881
14 Maltese @ 20,211052
15 East_Sicilian @ 20,229785
16 South_Italian @ 20,77649
17 Armenian @ 21,046241
18 Turkish_Jew @ 21,123104
19 Kurdish @ 21,258097
20 Albanian @ 21,548815
177 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Nogai+Sephardic_Jewish @ 3,523366

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balkar +25% Afghan_Turkmen +25% Stuttgart @ 1,658024

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cypriot+Greek+Nogai+Turkmen @ 0,956912




The case of Turkey is similar to that of Calabria, they're generally the same population of ancient times, with a little input from invaders and a language shift. Deal with it.

Oh yeah, definitely. What a clueless nigger.

Late Neolithic Anatolia (Kumtepe)
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2901516-X

Highlights
•Kum6 shows a strong population continuity with present-day Sardinia
•Kum6 expresses connections to the central Eurasian gene pool
•Kum6 shares notable affinity with the Iceman, a 5,300-year-old southern European
•Genetic affinities to both East and West suggest continuous contact with Anatolia

Summary
Anatolia and the Near East have long been recognized as the epicenter of the Neolithic expansion through archaeological evidence. Recent archaeogenetic studies on Neolithic European human remains have shown that the Neolithic expansion in Europe was driven westward and northward by migration from a supposed Near Eastern origin [ 1–5 ]. However, this expansion and the establishment of numerous culture complexes in the Aegean and Balkans did not occur until 8,500 before present (BP), over 2,000 years after the initial settlements in the Neolithic core area [ 6–9 ]. We present ancient genome-wide sequence data from 6,700-year-old human remains excavated from a Neolithic context in Kumtepe, located in northwestern Anatolia near the well-known (and younger) site Troy [ 10 ]. Kumtepe is one of the settlements that emerged around 7,000 BP, after the initial expansion wave brought Neolithic practices to Europe. We show that this individual displays genetic similarities to the early European Neolithic gene pool and modern-day Sardinians, as well as a genetic affinity to modern-day populations from the Near East and the Caucasus. Furthermore, modern-day Anatolians (Turks) carry signatures of several admixture events from different populations that have diluted this early Neolithic farmer component, explaining why modern-day Sardinian populations, instead of modern-day Anatolian Turks, are genetically more similar to the people that drove the Neolithic expansion into Europe. Anatolia’s central geographic location appears to have served as a connecting point, allowing a complex contact network with other areas of the Near East and Europe throughout, and after, the Neolithic.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.tr/2016/01/kum6-sardinian-like-genome-from-late.html






and exist many studies linking western anatolians (i wouldn't call these populations 'turk' genetically) to greeks and sicilians.
The only link is neolithic migrations from Anatolia you fucking moron. And guess what, modern Turkish inhabitants of Asia Minor have less Anatolia_Neolithic admixture than Greeks and Sicilians, it was obviously the other way around before the Turkish migration, native Anatolians had more Anatolia Neolithic admixture than Greeks and Sicilians.

Anatolia Neolithic admixture - Near East Neolithic K13 (Turkish_Aydın and Turkish_Balıkesir = Western Turks) http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?7637-Upcoming-Near-East-Neolithic-13-Gedmatch-Calculator




ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC



Sicilian

21.76



Greek

20.82



Turkish_Aydın

12.70



Turkish_Balıkesir

13.96








Lol. Bullshit. Very funny the desperate tentatives of turkish nationalists to deny they are a bunch of mongrels and not members of some ficticional 'turan'

Most Turkic-speaking populations are predominantly West Eurasian and there is no such thing as "Turanic race", it is a pseudo-scientific term dating back to the 19th century. Let me repeat it again; Turks are a thousand times more Turkic than Sicilian quadroons are Indo-European. The funnier thing is that Turks also have more Steppe-Yamnaya/-like admixture (Steppe k10 calculator) than IE-speaking neolithic farmers (aka Sicilians).




(Note: there's no problem with it, since the majority of ethnicities in the world are mixed between many people). All the studies that links sicilians with sub-saharians are heavilly contested
Your people score Sub-Saharan African admixture and it is way above noise levels.




But i'm done with it, you won't accept simple facts and will post some heavily flawed things to support your wet dreams. Peace.
LOL flawed things like what? Like your confirmed/obvious Sub-Saharan ancestry?



Original turks were mongoloids who inhabited the steppes and have nothing to do with the mediterranean.
Sicilian nigger, there is no 100% East Eurasian Turkic population. Even the Yakuts from Northeast Asia have 10% West Eurasian ancestry, unlike their full mongoloid native/non-Turkic Paleo-Siberian neighbours. Proto-Turks themselves were a mixture of East and West Eurasian ancestral populations from the beginning, see Iron Age Altai samples. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k0MRpwMKBLS4bF16No0NfqF2PSR0vuioikHCCN6drbs/edit?pli=1#gid=1540247964


Here are the Turkic population averages (MDLP K23b)

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/TURKISH_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AZERI_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/TURKMEN_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/BALKAR_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/KUMYK_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NOGAI_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CRIMEAN-TATAR-MOUNTAIN_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/UZBEK_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/BASHKIR_wm1.jpg

[Danishmend]

If Turks do not look similar to Balkan, Sicilian, etc what do they look then?
Hmm, maybe Turkish?




He doesn't even posted the source of these 'studies'. Show me the Turk Urheimat in the mediterranean. LOL.
The Turkic urheimat is probably somewhere around Altai mountains.

http://j2-m172.info/2015/06/j2a2-ph3085-sk1403-ancient-altai-modern-uygur-turkish/

"The huge Allentoft et al. 2015 research with low-coverage genomes from 101 ancient humans from across Eurasia included two males from Altai Iron Age (900 BC to 1000 AD) in the same J2a2 haplogroup (see Altai archaeology). Even more intriguing is that the ancient genomes share unique Y-SNPs with two modern samples: one Uygur and one Turkish, currently best named as J2a2-PH3085,SK1403."


Your urheimat on the other is most likely Levant as 2/3 of your autosomal DNA is Levantine. Sicilians are Indo-European speaking Levantines.

[Pennywise]

Lol. Bullshit. Very funny the desperate tentatives of turkish nationalists to deny they are a bunch of mongrels and not members of some ficticional 'turan' (Note: there's no problem with it, since the majority of ethnicities in the world are mixed between many people). All the studies that links sicilians with sub-saharians are heavilly contested , and exist many studies linking western anatolians (i wouldn't call these populations 'turk' genetically) to greeks and sicilians. But other thing we need to note is that mainland greeks and sicilians are different genetically, as mainland greeks exhibit far more northern european input than island greeks, sicilians and western anatolians. The case of Turkey is similar to that of Calabria, they're generally the same population of ancient times, with a little input from invaders and a language shift. Deal with it.

But i'm done with it, you won't accept simple facts and will post some heavily flawed things to support your wet dreams. Peace.

Yeah, Turks are fantasy dreamer nationalists but you are so neutral and rationalistic while you are denying the African/Levant roots of Sicilians, Greeks, Italians and etc. (which is supported by many studies) and making half of the Turkey "not Turk". LOL

[wvwvw]

None of these Turks overlap with Greeks (be it genetically or phenotypically). There might be 1 or 2 Pomaks among them and they overlap with Balkan Slavs, not with you curly haired Levantines.


Go stick to your LE1vantine kin.
http://i.hizliresim.com/Xd8zX7.png

He is an Albanian troll retard

You can post all "light" Turks you want but in Instanbul everyone looked like gypsy to me, so I know FIRST HAND. In fact I was kind of shocked to see Malaysian looking Turks

All other exist in the fantasy internet.

[wvwvw]

Welcome to the Sikeliotid and Carmenid internet world where Southern Italians are too Levantine looking to pass anywhere and Turks are European influenced enough to pass in Hungary.

Except I saw groups and groups of S,Italians in Greece and couldn't find a single one Levantine looking among them.

While in Turkey I was suddenly in a sea of pure middle eastern looking people, where once in a blue moon pops up a Turk like these footballers.

[Trojka]

Welcome to the Sikeliotid and Carmenid internet world where Southern Italians are too Levantine looking to pass anywhere and Turks are European influenced enough to pass in Hungary.

Except I saw groups and groups of S,Italians in Greece and couldn't find a single one Levantine looking among them.

While in Turkey I was suddenly in a sea of pure middle eastern looking people, where once in a blue moon pops up a Turk like these footballers.

Both Greeks and Southern Italians are more Natufian, Levantine influenced than Turks, except the bordering Syria regions. There are more coastal Lebanese etc. passin better in Athens or Palermo than Istanbul.

You'd be better estabilish a gyro-hummus facade around the East mediterranean.

[Sikeliot]

Both Greeks and Southern Italians are more Natufian, Levantine influenced than Turks, except the bordering Syria regions. There are more coastal Lebanese etc. passin better in Athens or Palermo than Istanbul.

You'd be better estabilish a gyro-hummus facade around the East mediterranean.


There are several southern Italian and Greek clusters.

Some Sicilians are like Cretans. Others like Maltese.
People in Calabria are like Cypriots.

[Danishmend]

Yeah, Turks are fantasy dreamer nationalists but you are so neutral and rationalistic while you are denying the African/Levant roots of Sicilians, Greeks, Italians and etc. (which is support by many studies) and making half of the Turkey "not Turk". LOL
He probably comes from ItalicRoots, a shelter for those who fled TA due to "anti-Italian" pressure. They gather on ItalicRoots, keep bashing other ethnicities 24/7 and masturbate over Moorish-looking Iberians.



While in Turkey I was
You need to step outside your room first.

[wvwvw]

He probably comes from ItalicRoots, a shelter for those who fled TA due to "anti-Italian" pressure. They gather on ItalicRoots, keep bashing other ethnicities 24/7 and masturbate over Moorish-looking Iberians.


You need to step outside your room first.
Follow your own advice gypo.

[Danishmend]

Follow your own advice gypo.

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Not to mention a thousand sockpuppets of yours.

[Trojka]

...................

[wvwvw]

There are several southern Italian and Greek clusters.

Some Sicilians are like Cretans. Others like Maltese.
People in Calabria are like Cypriots.

You are pathetic and the laughing stock of this forum.

[Sikeliot]

You are pathetic and the laughing stock of this forum.

See how much I give a fuck about your opinions.

[wvwvw]

It's you Levantine-East Med subumans keep letting Syrians, and other Arabics to get to Europe, because secretly you want every European nations to look like the same kind as Greeks.

It is actually Romania and Bulgaria that has flooded all European capitals with gypsies..and Jihadis from Kosovo. You are as coward as any other Albo hiding behind the identities of other ethnicities.

Greece (and Italy) have the misfortune on being the external borders of the Eu. Italy is flooded with Blacks and North Africans and Greece with Syrians and Afganis.

Both countries are binded by UN law and EU rules to rescue refugees in danger and provide temporary shelter for them. Otherwise they must pay heavy penalties and can be sued in International court. Soros gave over 11 BILLION to Turkey to send Muslim immigrants to Greece.

Go troll someone else now gypsy, I don't have time to waste on retards.

[Sikeliot]

Turks might not be close to Levantines but you're certainly related to Armenians, Iranians, etc.

[wvwvw]

See how much I give a fuck about your opinions.

You replied so obviously you give a fuck. I only speak the truth.

[Antimage]

In Turkey some people say that Hasan Ali looks like 'Turkic Jesus, when he grows long hair plus beard:-

http://s.weltsport.net/bilder/spieler/gross/97862.jpg

handsome mofo

[JMack]

Stop mentioning Western Anatolia already you obnoxious Natufian. Go stick to Levant, there lie your roots.

Comparison of Western Turks (Aydın and Balıkesir), Greeks, Sicilians and South Italians (Steppe K10). Western Turks and Sicilians/Greeks/South Italians are worlds apart genetically. Western Turks are closer to Turkish average than to any foreign population, in fact they have slightly more Turkic admixture than Turkish average.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Hb0GVyrf2ztR_QvoIYcmhWtsYv0p39avjqM-G3-6Xew/edit#gid=1809893991

Steppe = based on Yamnaya samples
Hindu-Kush = ANE-related South Central Asian component





Near_Eastern
East_Asian
Siberian
Oceanian
WHG_UHG
Sub_Saharan
Hindu_Kush
Steppe
Amerindian
Southeast_Asian


Turkish_Aydın
43,45
6,62
6,17
0,33
8,23
0,4
17,32
16,17
0,76
0,44


Turkish_Balıkesir
41,63
6,44
6,05
0,64
9,93
0,22
16,98
16,57
0,50
1,01


Greek
51,80
0,23
0,41
0,37
20,03
0,14
7,41
19,03
0,34
0,22


Sicilian
54,70
0,29
0,30
0,31
19,21
1,80
9,71
13,04
0,11
0,53


South_Italian
57,70
0,18
0,24
0,35
16,62
1,12
10,88
12,21
0,44
0,26





Here is the oracle result of Western Turks (Turkish_Balıkesir and Turkish_Aydın). This fucking Natufian's obsession with Western Turks is so annoying.


Western Turks are closest to Turkish average, then come Turkic North Caucasians (Kumyks, Balkars and Nogai), and then other Caucasus populations and Greeks.

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Turkish @ 9,090625
2 Kumyk @ 14,251155
3 Balkar @ 15,730195
4 North_Ossetian @ 15,771541
5 Nogai @ 16,381739
6 Adygei @ 16,670521
7 Ashkenazi_Jew @ 18,06219
8 Abkhasian @ 18,944679
9 Greek @ 19,305232
10 Chechen @ 19,318086
11 Georgian @ 19,370041
12 Sicilian @ 19,876989
13 West_Sicilian @ 19,957881
14 Maltese @ 20,211052
15 East_Sicilian @ 20,229785
16 South_Italian @ 20,77649
17 Armenian @ 21,046241
18 Turkish_Jew @ 21,123104
19 Kurdish @ 21,258097
20 Albanian @ 21,548815
177 iterations.

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 Nogai+Sephardic_Jewish @ 3,523366

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Balkar +25% Afghan_Turkmen +25% Stuttgart @ 1,658024

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Cypriot+Greek+Nogai+Turkmen @ 0,956912




Oh yeah, definitely. What a clueless nigger.

Late Neolithic Anatolia (Kumtepe)
http://www.cell.com/current-biology/abstract/S0960-9822%2815%2901516-X

Highlights
•Kum6 shows a strong population continuity with present-day Sardinia
•Kum6 expresses connections to the central Eurasian gene pool
•Kum6 shares notable affinity with the Iceman, a 5,300-year-old southern European
•Genetic affinities to both East and West suggest continuous contact with Anatolia

Summary
Anatolia and the Near East have long been recognized as the epicenter of the Neolithic expansion through archaeological evidence. Recent archaeogenetic studies on Neolithic European human remains have shown that the Neolithic expansion in Europe was driven westward and northward by migration from a supposed Near Eastern origin [ 1–5 ]. However, this expansion and the establishment of numerous culture complexes in the Aegean and Balkans did not occur until 8,500 before present (BP), over 2,000 years after the initial settlements in the Neolithic core area [ 6–9 ]. We present ancient genome-wide sequence data from 6,700-year-old human remains excavated from a Neolithic context in Kumtepe, located in northwestern Anatolia near the well-known (and younger) site Troy [ 10 ]. Kumtepe is one of the settlements that emerged around 7,000 BP, after the initial expansion wave brought Neolithic practices to Europe. We show that this individual displays genetic similarities to the early European Neolithic gene pool and modern-day Sardinians, as well as a genetic affinity to modern-day populations from the Near East and the Caucasus. Furthermore, modern-day Anatolians (Turks) carry signatures of several admixture events from different populations that have diluted this early Neolithic farmer component, explaining why modern-day Sardinian populations, instead of modern-day Anatolian Turks, are genetically more similar to the people that drove the Neolithic expansion into Europe. Anatolia’s central geographic location appears to have served as a connecting point, allowing a complex contact network with other areas of the Near East and Europe throughout, and after, the Neolithic.

http://eurogenes.blogspot.com.tr/2016/01/kum6-sardinian-like-genome-from-late.html





The only link is neolithic migrations from Anatolia you fucking moron. And guess what, modern Turkish inhabitants of Asia Minor have less Anatolia_Neolithic admixture than Greeks and Sicilians, it was obviously the other way around before the Turkish migration, native Anatolians had more Anatolia Neolithic admixture than Greeks and Sicilians.

Anatolia Neolithic admixture - Near East Neolithic K13 (Turkish_Aydın and Turkish_Balıkesir = Western Turks) http://www.anthrogenica.com/showthread.php?7637-Upcoming-Near-East-Neolithic-13-Gedmatch-Calculator




ANATOLIA_NEOLITHIC



Sicilian

21.76



Greek

20.82



Turkish_Aydın

12.70



Turkish_Balıkesir

13.96









Most Turkic-speaking populations are predominantly West Eurasian and there is no such thing as "Turanic race", it is a pseudo-scientific term dating back to the 19th century. Let me repeat it again; Turks are a thousand times more Turkic than Sicilian quadroons are Indo-European. The funnier thing is that Turks also have more Steppe-Yamnaya/-like admixture (Steppe k10 calculator) than IE-speaking neolithic farmers (aka Sicilians).



Your people score Sub-Saharan African admixture and it is way above noise levels.



LOL flawed things like what? Like your confirmed/obvious Sub-Saharan ancestry?



Sicilian nigger, there is no 100% East Eurasian Turkic population. Even the Yakuts from Northeast Asia have 10% West Eurasian ancestry, unlike their full mongoloid native/non-Turkic Paleo-Siberian neighbours. Proto-Turks themselves were a mixture of East and West Eurasian ancestral populations from the beginning, see Iron Age Altai samples. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1k0MRpwMKBLS4bF16No0NfqF2PSR0vuioikHCCN6drbs/edit?pli=1#gid=1540247964


Here are the Turkic population averages (MDLP K23b)

http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/TURKISH_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/AZERI_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/TURKMEN_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/BALKAR_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/KUMYK_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/NOGAI_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CRIMEAN-TATAR-MOUNTAIN_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/UZBEK_wm1.jpg
http://www.haplogruplar.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/BASHKIR_wm1.jpg

You have to accept simple facts, mongoloid inferior. I will show you some sources:

http://dienekes.awardspace.com/articles/greekadna/

''For each number of clusters (K), each cluster is assigned a color. Each individual from the studied populations corresponds to a vertical line, and consists in various proportions of the different clusters. We observe that the Greek individuals belong to the main European-West Asian-North African (Cluster) cluster for K up to 5. At K=6 a "Mediterranean" small cluster (green) emerges which encompasses particularly populations bordering the Mediterranean as well as Armenians. In particular, we observe that there is no visible contribution of the East Eurasian (Mongoloid) pink cluster or of Sub-Saharan African (Negroid) red cluster.''

http://dienekes.blogspot.com.br/2005/02/how-turkish-are-anatolians.html

''The Anatolians are the ethnic descendants of both the indigenous populations of Asia Minor who converted to Islam (and were thus spared from the genocidal campaign of the Ottomans and Kemalists during the early 20th century), and also of non-indigenous populations from the Balkans, the Middle East, and Central Asia. From Central Asia came the Turks, who were the main agent for the Islamization and during the last century Turkification of Asia Minor.

To what extent are the Anatolians descended from Central Asian Turks? The study of Cinnioglu et al. (2004) discovered an occurrence of 3.4% of Mongoloid Y-chromosomal haplogroups in Anatolia (haplogroups Q, O, and C).

According to Tambets et al. (2004) the occurrence of Mongoloid haplogroups in present-day Central Asian Turkic Altaic speakers (Altaians) is at least 40%, with an additional 10% which might belong to haplogroup O which was not tested in this study. According to Zerjal et al. (2002) this percentage is for various Turkic speakers: Kyrgyz (22%), Dungans (32%), Uyghurs (33%), Kazaks (86%), Uzbeks (18%).

It is clear that the percentage of Mongoloid ancestry among the Turkic speakers is very variable, yet it is clear that the Proto-Turks must have been partially Mongoloid in lieu of the fact that all current Turkic speakers possess some Mongoloid admixture. The average of the six Central Asian population samples listed above is 38.5% and may serve as a first-order estimate of the paternal contribution of early Turks, who (judging by their modern descendants in Central Asia) were more Caucasoid paternally and more Mongoloid maternally.

Using the figure of 38.5%, the paternal contribution of Turks to the Anatolian population is estimated to about 11%. In lieu of the approximation, allowing for 33% relative error in either direction for both the true frequency of Mongoloid lineages in Anatolia and in early Turks, we obtain a range of 6-22%. It would thus appear that the Turkish element is a minority one in the composition of the Anatolians, but it is by no means negligible.''

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.2753/AAE1061-1959500101

''Due to its long-term geographic position as gateway between Europe and Asia, the genetic constitution of Anatolia is highly complex. In spite of its overwhelming diversity, most citizens of the Republic of Turkey are firstlanguage Turkish-speakers and consider themselves ethnic Turks. This was not the case during the early Middle Ages and the time of the Byzantine Empire. Although we are able to identify four successive Turkic empires, Islamicization, and post-World War I nationalization as the essential steps toward ethnic homogenization, from historical texts alone we cannot determine to what extent mass migration from Central Asia and Siberia is responsible for Turkish dominance in Anatolia today. To assess the extent of gene flow from lands east of the Caspian, we examined the patterns of genetic variation in Turkic-speaking populations from Anatolia to Siberia. This analysis allows us to build the case for incommensurable, long-term, and continuing genetic signatures in both Anatolia and Siberia, and for significant mitochondrial DNA and Y-chromosome divergence between the regions, with minimal admixture. We supplement the case against mass migration with correlative archeological, historical, and linguistic data, and suggest that it was irregular punctuated migration events that engendered large-scale shifts in language and culture among Anatolia's diverse autochthonous inhabitants.''

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371%2Fjournal.pone.0096074

''Due to their strategic geographic location between three different continents, Sicily and Southern Italy have long represented a major Mediterranean crossroad where different peoples and cultures came together over time. However, its multi-layered history of migration pathways and cultural exchanges, has made the reconstruction of its genetic history and population structure extremely controversial and widely debated. To address this debate, we surveyed the genetic variability of 326 accurately selected individuals from 8 different provinces of Sicily and Southern Italy, through a comprehensive evaluation of both Y-chromosome and mtDNA genomes. The main goal was to investigate the structuring of maternal and paternal genetic pools within Sicily and Southern Italy, and to examine their degrees of interaction with other Mediterranean populations. Our findings show high levels of within-population variability, coupled with the lack of significant genetic sub-structures both within Sicily, as well as between Sicily and Southern Italy. When Sicilian and Southern Italian populations were contextualized within the Euro-Mediterranean genetic space, we observed different historical dynamics for maternal and paternal inheritances. Y-chromosome results highlight a significant genetic differentiation between the North-Western and South-Eastern part of the Mediterranean, the Italian Peninsula occupying an intermediate position therein. In particular, Sicily and Southern Italy reveal a shared paternal genetic background with the Balkan Peninsula and the time estimates of main Y-chromosome lineages signal paternal genetic traces of Neolithic and post-Neolithic migration events. On the contrary, despite showing some correspondence with its paternal counterpart, mtDNA reveals a substantially homogeneous genetic landscape, which may reflect older population events or different demographic dynamics between males and females. Overall, both uniparental genetic structures and TMRCA estimates confirm the role of Sicily and Southern Italy as an ancient Mediterranean melting pot for genes and cultures.''

Now inform yourself, gentleman.

[JMack]

And other thing, ancient Levantines were caucasoid, like the modern day ones. You are the ones (pressuposing you have too much mongoloid ancestry) who don't belong to our sacred mediterranean cradle where emerged the first and greatest civilizations in history, the roots of the western world. Go back to the steppes, your chimp.

[JMack]

One more thing: initially i tried to be courteous and educated and avoid insults, but these uncivilized barbarians cannot understand simple rules of behavior. So dealing with them in their agressive language was the only option. Peace to all!

[katniss]

For comparison, here are the football teams from Greece, Portugal and Serbia: http://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?186726-Which-team-does-team-Greece-resemble-more-team-Portugal-or-team-Serbia

I have no idea about teams of the Portugal, Greece or Turkey. As for Serbian team, you did not post photos of some players, while on the other side you posted photos of some players twice or you posted photos of players who are not members of national team. In some cases I have no idea whose photos you posted.

This is 20 players who played the most matches for Serbia in the last 2 years or players selected in the team in the last 3 matches in a row.

https://s20.postimg.org/fbe75g25p/Branislav_Ivanovic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/pyclolzot/nemanja_matic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/dyrg6fyel/adem_ljajic_60561_wide.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/8ausqeprh/rukavina.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/z9ynlkc8d/Serbia_v_Italy_EURO_2012_Qualifier_1il_ZXmf_VJV0l. jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/b3o0afq3x/Predrag_Rajkovic_u_dresu_Makabija_1.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/fghyf49gt/kolarov.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/uqmf01uct/uros_spajic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/tn2ao39pp/stojkovic_g.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/dm53xdmgd/dusko_tosic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/ibv1lzdgt/luka_milivijevic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/qzcudqgod/nastasic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/5kq26yigd/cid206968_gudelj_580x310.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/eadygbl65/damir_kahriman.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/5n0r2b7cd/Ljubomir_Fejsa_Serbia_v_Italy_EURO_2012_Qualifie.j pg
https://s20.postimg.org/5hwzsn019/filip_maldenovic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/p4zzvztnx/tadic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/9q0ysvg8d/50_l_markovicjpg_728x728.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/kulc0eokt/Zoran_Tosic_2319554.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/xojdtr20d/mitrovic.jpg

[Tooting Carmen]

I have no idea about teams of the Portugal, Greece or Turkey. As for Serbian team, you did not post photos of some players, while on the other side you posted photos of some players twice or you posted photos of players who are not members of national team. In some cases I have no idea whose photos you posted.

This is 20 players who played the most matches for Serbia in the last 2 years or players selected in the team in the last 3 matches in a row.

https://s20.postimg.org/fbe75g25p/Branislav_Ivanovic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/pyclolzot/nemanja_matic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/dyrg6fyel/adem_ljajic_60561_wide.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/8ausqeprh/rukavina.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/z9ynlkc8d/Serbia_v_Italy_EURO_2012_Qualifier_1il_ZXmf_VJV0l. jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/b3o0afq3x/Predrag_Rajkovic_u_dresu_Makabija_1.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/fghyf49gt/kolarov.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/uqmf01uct/uros_spajic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/tn2ao39pp/stojkovic_g.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/dm53xdmgd/dusko_tosic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/ibv1lzdgt/luka_milivijevic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/qzcudqgod/nastasic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/5kq26yigd/cid206968_gudelj_580x310.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/eadygbl65/damir_kahriman.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/5n0r2b7cd/Ljubomir_Fejsa_Serbia_v_Italy_EURO_2012_Qualifie.j pg
https://s20.postimg.org/5hwzsn019/filip_maldenovic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/p4zzvztnx/tadic.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/9q0ysvg8d/50_l_markovicjpg_728x728.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/kulc0eokt/Zoran_Tosic_2319554.jpg
https://s20.postimg.org/xojdtr20d/mitrovic.jpg

I based it on the Wikipedia page at the time of writing.

[Trojka]

There are Turks with 0% mongoloid ancestry and much less affinity to Arabians, North Africans than Sicilians, Greeks. It's needless to say the average Central/North European barely can tell these groups apart. Lebanese-Greeks-Southern Italians in Australia hang out together because they share culturally, looks vise a lot more than anyone with White Aussies.

[Tooting Carmen]

Right, I am closing this thread now. Yet again, people on this forum seem apparently incapable of discussing something in a calm, rational, light-hearted manner.