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Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 12:16 AM
I did make one similar thread to this a long awhile ago but, not as detailed as this will be.

I think I honestly have some pretty interesting results on GEDmatch. I would really like to know what you think and, without actually knowing my ethnicity beforehand, after seeing my results, what would you actually guess my real ethnicity to be?

Eurogenes EUTest:

Closest Populations:
1. Orcadian (distance = 3.736739)
2. IE (Irish) (distance = 3.793178)
(I shall only post the first two closest populations)

Population Sharing:

Two Populations:
50% IE + 50% Orcadian

Three Populations:
50% IE + 25% Scottish + 25% West-Central German

Four Populations:
AT (Austria?) + IE + Scottish + Scottish

Eurogenes K13:

Closest Populations:
1. North-German (distance = 4.764885)
2. North-Dutch (distance = 6.068629)

Population Sharing:

50% North-German + 50% North-German

50% North-German + 25% North-German + 25% North-German

Irish + North-German + North-German + North-German

Conclusion from this test: K13 considers me to be a tr00 Anglo-Saxon (North-German) warrior. This contrasts a bit with EUTest which thinks I was basically born to a fully IE father and a Norse/Gaelic mother. I don't think North-Germans have that much IE..do they?

Dodecad V3:

Closest Populations:
1. CEU (Utah White/Anglo) (distance = 3.270705)
2. Argyll (distance = 4.842905)

Population Sharing:

50% Cornwall + 50% Hungarians

50% CEU + 25% Hungarians + 25% Kent

Balkans + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian

Conclusion from this test: This ones a bit interesting. It puts my top population as 'CEU' (which I've been told is basically Anglo-American). This is more similar to my K13 results, as North-Germans and Anglo-Americans are quite similar (Anglos in America were more Anglo-Saxon than other English, as may of our earliest settlers came from more eastern, Anglo-Saxon influenced England). As far as population sharing, it puts me as 50% Cornwall (similar to Welsh) + 50% Hungarian. Interesting..

PuntDNAL K10 Ancient:

Closest Populations:
1. English-South (distance = 1.705684)
2. Utahn-White (distance = 2.028896)

50% Czech + 50% German-South

50% Czech + 25% Utahn-White + 25% German-South

Belarusian + Czech + Czech + Italian-North

Conclusion from this test: This test puts my top population as English-South, which obviously contrasts with my other test results. For population sharing, it puts me interestingly at 50% Czech + 50% German-South.

Gedrosia K15:

Closest Populations:
1. Croatian (distance = 6.510653)

50% Bulgarian + 50% Czech

50% English + 25% Lithuanian + 25% Turkish

English + English + Lithuanian + Turkish

Conclusion from this test: This test puts my closest population as Croatian, and my population-sharing is 50% Bulgarian + 50% Czech. For three populations, it puts me as 50% English, 25% Lithuanian and 25% Turkish. Interesting indeed.

MDLP World-22

Closest Populations:
1. German_V (distance = 3.331356)
2. Austrian (distance = 4.596208)

50% Bosnian + 50% Norwegian_V

50% British + 25% Gagauz + 25% Ukrainian-Center

Gagauz + German-North + German-North + Norwegian_V

Conclusion from this test: This test puts me closest to 'German_V' (unsure which part of Germany this is referring to) and Austrians. For population sharing, it suggests I am 50% Bosnian and 50% 'Norwegian_V'. Like a child of a native Norwegian and a recent Bosnian immigrant. Then, for three populations, it suggests I am 50% British + 25% Gagauz + 25% Ukrainian-Center. ???

Basically mt autosomal DNA is a shit-show. Looking at all of this, which would it seem is my real ethnicity?

Petalpusher
10-06-2016, 03:19 AM
IE is not "Indo-European", it's Irish.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 03:25 AM
IE is not "Indo-European", it's Irish.

Oh lol

I was a bit confused by that, makes more sense now.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 03:25 AM
IE is not "Indo-European", it's Irish.

Also I have been informed Gagauz is basically just like any other Balkan group so not so crazy.

As for the Brit/Lithuanian/Turk result, well, to be fair it did throw in the most northerny European group (Lithuanian) in there to balance out the 25% Turkish so.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 03:27 AM
IE is not "Indo-European", it's Irish.

So tell me, Petal, which of these tests is the most accurate?

Am I more like a pure uber North-German, an Irish-Orcadian mix, or a half Bosnian half Norwegian? lol

Unome
10-06-2016, 06:00 AM
All meaningless… what are your Haplogroups???

Petalpusher
10-06-2016, 07:58 AM
So tell me, Petal, which of these tests is the most accurate?

Am I more like a pure uber North-German, an Irish-Orcadian mix, or a half Bosnian half Norwegian? lol

CEU, cause that's what you are, leaning to N.German CEU. The reason they don't give you the same thing is the lack of samples in some calculators, some don't have CEU, some no German, etc.. but pretty much the same genetic position in any case.

Ibericus
10-06-2016, 08:12 AM
Looks pretty standard euro-american.

The most accurate are Eurogenes and Dodecad.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 11:56 AM
CEU, cause that's what you are, leaning to N.German CEU. The reason they don't give you the same thing is the lack of samples in some calculators, some don't have CEU, some no German, etc.. but pretty much the same genetic position in any case.

Actually I'm not really CEU (it's Utah Anglo, right?) I'm a mix of things in real life.

I think stuff like 50% Bosnian, 50% Norwegian etc. isn't far off because I think I do have ENF levels reminiscent of a South-German, Austrian, etc. and combine that with Norwegian-level of Yamnaya admix, I think you could argue that score is pretty accurate with regards to my ancient population scores.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 11:57 AM
Looks pretty standard euro-american.

The most accurate are Eurogenes and Dodecad.

But what is standard Euro-American, exactly?

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 12:00 PM
CEU, cause that's what you are, leaning to N.German CEU. The reason they don't give you the same thing is the lack of samples in some calculators, some don't have CEU, some no German, etc.. but pretty much the same genetic position in any case.

Like what would the average 'CEU' person be..Is it Anglos and North-Germans or are there some French-Utahns a part of this or what?

leaning to N. German CEU? Does that mean a CEU with more North-German ancestry (but what would be the other?)?

Ibericus
10-06-2016, 12:05 PM
But what is standard Euro-American, exactly?
Mix of german with northwest-euro (Irish, Scottish, English).

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 12:07 PM
Mix of german with northwest-euro (Irish, Scottish, English).

and what kind of German specifically? :D

I think I am getting close to the answer.

So, I'm guessing maybe the 'CEU' are probably that same thing (German/Brit. Isles hybrids)? The question is really what kind of German, as I don't know the demographics.

South-Germans, North-Germans are very different.

Petalpusher
10-06-2016, 12:19 PM
Like what would the average 'CEU' person be..Is it Anglos and North-Germans or are there some French-Utahns a part of this or what?

leaning to N. German CEU? Does that mean a CEU with more North-German ancestry (but what would be the other?)?

Some CEU are leaning more to English or German, the latter for you.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 12:20 PM
Some CEU are leaning more to English or German, the latter for you.

So..Utahn of North-German and Anglo descent, but more North-German?

Is it true that many Utah Whites have North-German ancestry? I think there's German-Americans there but I didn't know from where they hailed.

Petalpusher
10-06-2016, 12:27 PM
So..Utahn of North-German and Anglo descent, but more North-German?

Is it true that many Utah Whites have North-German ancestry? I think there's German-Americans there but I didn't know from where they hailed.

Most CEU are this type of Anglo-Germanic mix, in their cluster some are closer to Germany or England that's all, of course it has to do with their specific family history, or how their mix average as that.

For example here Gooding or Armstrong are more CEU Anglo, you and Oneeye are more of the CEU Germans type genetically. Probably cause you have both Norwegian.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 12:31 PM
Most CEU are this type of Anglo-Germanic mix, in their cluster some are closer to Germany or England that's all, of course it has to do with their specific family history, or how their mix average as that.

For example here Gooding or Armstrong are more CEU Anglo, you and Oneeye are more of the CEU Germans type genetically. Probably cause you have both Norwegian.

Hm, I see. The question is really what part of Germany we are talking about though. When CEU score closer to German is it more N. German or S. German? Or a mix?

In my case it would be N. German, as in pred. N. German with Anglo mix? Honestly that would be the most Americany mix ever and I like it.

Petalpusher
10-06-2016, 12:34 PM
Hm, I see. The question is really what part of Germany we are talking about though. When CEU score closer to German is it more N. German or S. German? Or a mix?

In my case it would be N. German, as in pred. N. German with Anglo mix? Honestly that would be the most Americany mix ever and I like it.

It's more N.Germany in your cases, but the CEU extends further south.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 12:37 PM
It's more N.Germany in your cases, but the CEU extends further south.

Okay. So with regards to what my ancestry would be, judging from the results..pred. N. German with Anglo?

Petalpusher
10-06-2016, 12:46 PM
Okay. So with regards to what my ancestry would be, judging from the results..pred. N. German with Anglo?

You are what your family history tells, you just have to average as something. Again, in the CEU cluster like most wasp, so you can hit everything hanging around CEU.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 12:49 PM
You are what your family history tells, you just have to average as something. Again, in the CEU cluster like most wasp.

Yeah, I just mean if nobody knew my family history, they would say from the results that I am a typical WASP as you just said. Which is, Anglo-German and in my case specifically Anglo-N. German (with emphasis on the N. German).

I think I figured it out.

Regardless of my varied family history, it's pretty neat that if nobody knew about it they would think I am extremely typical WASP. I have always had a fascination with the typical American WASP and I think they are sexy. So pretty cool.

Petalpusher
10-06-2016, 12:57 PM
Yeah, I just mean if nobody knew my family history, they would say from the results that I am a typical WASP as you just said. Which is, Anglo-German and in my case specifically Anglo-N. German (with emphasis on the N. German).

I think I figured it out.

Regardless of my varied family history, it's pretty neat that if nobody knew about it they would think I am extremely typical WASP. I have always had a fascination with the typical American WASP and I think they are sexy. So pretty cool.

Contrary to what some people may think, these results are usually very accurate when interpreted correctly. It reflects exactly what you are, the multi pop are good too. I mean Irish + Orcadian + German etc.. is what you are. Orcadian is really Norwegian like. Some just lack more samples of population so it is forced to make some silly fits with what's available and of course you are not 50% Lithuanian or Norwegian so it has to balance it out, but you still end up more or less in the same genetic area.

Grace O'Malley
10-06-2016, 02:06 PM
I did make one similar thread to this a long awhile ago but, not as detailed as this will be.

I think I honestly have some pretty interesting results on GEDmatch. I would really like to know what you think and, without actually knowing my ethnicity beforehand, after seeing my results, what would you actually guess my real ethnicity to be?

Eurogenes EUTest:

Closest Populations:
1. Orcadian (distance = 3.736739)
2. IE (Irish) (distance = 3.793178)
(I shall only post the first two closest populations)

Population Sharing:

Two Populations:
50% IE + 50% Orcadian

Three Populations:
50% IE + 25% Scottish + 25% West-Central German

Four Populations:
AT (Austria?) + IE + Scottish + Scottish

Eurogenes K13:

Closest Populations:
1. North-German (distance = 4.764885)
2. North-Dutch (distance = 6.068629)

Population Sharing:

50% North-German + 50% North-German

50% North-German + 25% North-German + 25% North-German

Irish + North-German + North-German + North-German

Conclusion from this test: K13 considers me to be a tr00 Anglo-Saxon (North-German) warrior. This contrasts a bit with EUTest which thinks I was basically born to a fully IE father and a Norse/Gaelic mother. I don't think North-Germans have that much IE..do they?

Dodecad V3:

Closest Populations:
1. CEU (Utah White/Anglo) (distance = 3.270705)
2. Argyll (distance = 4.842905)

Population Sharing:

50% Cornwall + 50% Hungarians

50% CEU + 25% Hungarians + 25% Kent

Balkans + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian

Conclusion from this test: This ones a bit interesting. It puts my top population as 'CEU' (which I've been told is basically Anglo-American). This is more similar to my K13 results, as North-Germans and Anglo-Americans are quite similar (Anglos in America were more Anglo-Saxon than other English, as may of our earliest settlers came from more eastern, Anglo-Saxon influenced England). As far as population sharing, it puts me as 50% Cornwall (similar to Welsh) + 50% Hungarian. Interesting..

PuntDNAL K10 Ancient:

Closest Populations:
1. English-South (distance = 1.705684)
2. Utahn-White (distance = 2.028896)

50% Czech + 50% German-South

50% Czech + 25% Utahn-White + 25% German-South

Belarusian + Czech + Czech + Italian-North

Conclusion from this test: This test puts my top population as English-South, which obviously contrasts with my other test results. For population sharing, it puts me interestingly at 50% Czech + 50% German-South.

Gedrosia K15:

Closest Populations:
1. Croatian (distance = 6.510653)

50% Bulgarian + 50% Czech

50% English + 25% Lithuanian + 25% Turkish

English + English + Lithuanian + Turkish

Conclusion from this test: This test puts my closest population as Croatian, and my population-sharing is 50% Bulgarian + 50% Czech. For three populations, it puts me as 50% English, 25% Lithuanian and 25% Turkish. Interesting indeed.

MDLP World-22

Closest Populations:
1. German_V (distance = 3.331356)
2. Austrian (distance = 4.596208)

50% Bosnian + 50% Norwegian_V

50% British + 25% Gagauz + 25% Ukrainian-Center

Gagauz + German-North + German-North + Norwegian_V

Conclusion from this test: This test puts me closest to 'German_V' (unsure which part of Germany this is referring to) and Austrians. For population sharing, it suggests I am 50% Bosnian and 50% 'Norwegian_V'. Like a child of a native Norwegian and a recent Bosnian immigrant. Then, for three populations, it suggests I am 50% British + 25% Gagauz + 25% Ukrainian-Center. ???

Basically mt autosomal DNA is a shit-show. Looking at all of this, which would it seem is my real ethnicity?

You're similar to me but a bit more German shifted due to your continental ancestry.

EU (You are actually closer to IE (Ireland) than me on the EU test)

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 3.586883
2 IE @ 4.198253

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% Orcadian @ 3.586883


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IE +25% Scottish +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.138446

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 IE + Scottish + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.093390

K13

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 3.343981
2 Irish @ 3.397813

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.519424

Dodecad V3

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Argyll @ 1.570250
2 Orkney @ 2.823640
3 Orcadian @ 2.876477

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll +50% Argyll @ 1.570250


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German +25% Mixed_Germanic +25% Orcadian @ 0.880220


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 German + German + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian @ 0.880220

Puntdial K10 Ancient

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 1.172881
2 Utahn_white @ 1.909640

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Croatian @ 1.099419


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Croatian @ 0.666614


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Croatian @ 0.666614

Gedrosia K15 (This ones way off. Look at my distance from the English)

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 9.611942
2 Croatian @ 10.491255

The population mixes are really odd. Turkish really?

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Norwegian @ 4.538921


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Norwegian +25% Turkish @ 3.849447


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + Norwegian + Norwegian + Turkish @ 2.972636

MDLP World 22

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German_V @ 2.636553
2 CEU_V @ 3.464143
3 Austrian @ 4.241068

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_V +50% German_V @ 2.636553


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% British +25% Latvian_V +25% Welsh @ 2.427322


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 British + German + German_V + German_V @ 2.294993

So what would you say my ancestry is looking at these tests? Your results don't look drastically different from mine.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-06-2016, 04:52 PM
You're similar to me but a bit more German shifted due to your continental ancestry.

EU (You are actually closer to IE (Ireland) than me on the EU test)

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Orcadian @ 3.586883
2 IE @ 4.198253

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Orcadian +50% Orcadian @ 3.586883


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% IE +25% Scottish +25% South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.138446

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 IE + Scottish + Scottish + South_&_Central_Swedish @ 3.093390

K13

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_Dutch @ 3.343981
2 Irish @ 3.397813

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Norwegian +25% Norwegian @ 2.522953


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Norwegian + Norwegian + West_Scottish @ 2.519424

Dodecad V3

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Argyll @ 1.570250
2 Orkney @ 2.823640
3 Orcadian @ 2.876477

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll +50% Argyll @ 1.570250


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% German +25% Mixed_Germanic +25% Orcadian @ 0.880220


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 German + German + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian @ 0.880220

Puntdial K10 Ancient

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Irish @ 1.172881
2 Utahn_white @ 1.909640

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +50% Croatian @ 1.099419


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Irish +25% Irish +25% Croatian @ 0.666614


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 Irish + Irish + Irish + Croatian @ 0.666614

Gedrosia K15 (This ones way off. Look at my distance from the English)

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 English @ 9.611942
2 Croatian @ 10.491255

The population mixes are really odd. Turkish really?

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Bulgarian +50% Norwegian @ 4.538921


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% Norwegian +25% Norwegian +25% Turkish @ 3.849447


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 English + Norwegian + Norwegian + Turkish @ 2.972636

MDLP World 22

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 German_V @ 2.636553
2 CEU_V @ 3.464143
3 Austrian @ 4.241068

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% German_V +50% German_V @ 2.636553


Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% British +25% Latvian_V +25% Welsh @ 2.427322


Using 4 populations approximation:
1 British + German + German_V + German_V @ 2.294993

So what would you say my ancestry is looking at these tests? Your results don't look drastically different from mine.

Yeah your results are similar to mine.

I've heard the most accurate are Eurogenes and Dodecad. K13 thinks I'm pure North-German. K13 thinks you're half Irish/half Norwegian, thus averaging out as North-Dutch. It puts your closest population as North-Dutch and it puts mine as, of course, North-German. Overall on K13 our results could be considered interchangeable. North-German and North-Dutch are very very close populations.

As for EUTest, my closest population is Orcadian (again, could be interchangeable with North-German, North-Dutch, etc.). Your closest population on here is also Orcadian. For two populations it's just Orcadian + Orcadian for you lol, and for me it's Irish + Orcadian (perhaps you could some how be more Nordic influenced????). Three populations on this test is where we diverge a bit more. For your three populations you get Irish + Scottish + South-central Swedish. I get Irish + Scottish + West-central German. That means I am a little bit more South than you. Like I said it puts you as more of an Orcadian than me, hence it thinks you are more Northern/Nordic overall. Quite interesting.

Now moving on to Dodecad (like I said Eurogenes/Dodecad are supposed to be the most accurate for this sort of thing):

On Dodecad V3 my closest population is 'CEU' (Utah White, which, is Anglo-German mix). Judging by my K13 results, I am probably more on the German end of this. For you, Dodecad puts your closest population as Argyll. I don't know how close CEU and Argyll are, but, I am going to assume CEU is more South (which, would fit the narrative). For two populations you get simply Argyll + Argyll whilst I get 50% Cornwall + 50% Hungarian. This is quite interesting. Again, I am more South of you. I am just assuming a Cornish/Hungarian hybrid has got to be more Southern genetically than a pure Argyllian. For three populations, you get German + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian. I get 50% CEU + 25% Kent + 25% Hungarian. For four populations I get Balkans + Irish + Orcadian + Orcadian. You get German + German + Mixed_Germanic + Orcadian.

Overall this isn't such a drastic difference. I think we score extremely similar, in actuality. I may be a bit more Southern than you.

Grace O'Malley
10-07-2016, 03:30 PM
Just looking at the Dodecad V3 Calculator and it doesn't make sense.

Look how distant Irish is and really Argyll should be very close to Irish, British Isles, Cornish etc.

# Population Percent
1 West_European 55.75
2 Mediterranean 22.70
3 East_European 12.84
4 West_Asian 7.79


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Argyll @ 1.570250
2 Orkney @ 2.823640
3 Orcadian @ 2.876477
4 N._European @ 3.216774
5 CEU @ 3.936560
6 German @ 5.403244
7 Mixed_Germanic @ 8.660667
8 Dutch @ 10.131947
9 Kent @ 12.218744
10 British_Isles @ 13.739274
11 British @ 14.188494
12 Swedish @ 14.228313
13 French @ 14.858309
14 Cornwall @ 14.961836
15 French @ 15.224509
16 Norwegian @ 15.717998
17 Irish @ 16.710432
18 Slovenian @ 18.720474
19 Hungarians @ 23.325674
20 FIN @ 24.165121

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll +50% Argyll @ 1.570250

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-07-2016, 03:48 PM
Just looking at the Dodecad V3 Calculator and it doesn't make sense.

Look how distant Irish is and really Argyll should be very close to Irish, British Isles, Cornish etc.

# Population Percent
1 West_European 55.75
2 Mediterranean 22.70
3 East_European 12.84
4 West_Asian 7.79


Finished reading population data. 227 populations found.
12 components mode.

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Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Argyll @ 1.570250
2 Orkney @ 2.823640
3 Orcadian @ 2.876477
4 N._European @ 3.216774
5 CEU @ 3.936560
6 German @ 5.403244
7 Mixed_Germanic @ 8.660667
8 Dutch @ 10.131947
9 Kent @ 12.218744
10 British_Isles @ 13.739274
11 British @ 14.188494
12 Swedish @ 14.228313
13 French @ 14.858309
14 Cornwall @ 14.961836
15 French @ 15.224509
16 Norwegian @ 15.717998
17 Irish @ 16.710432
18 Slovenian @ 18.720474
19 Hungarians @ 23.325674
20 FIN @ 24.165121

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Argyll +50% Argyll @ 1.570250

I guess that eliminates Dodecad V3..

So I wonder which, between K13 and EUTest, is more accurate? We shall determine which is the most accurate once and for all.

Petalpusher
10-07-2016, 03:53 PM
That's why nobody use anymore in admixture things like "Western" "med" "eastern", it doesn't mean anything, it's way too vague and create artificial distances.

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-07-2016, 03:55 PM
That's why nobody use anymore in admixture things like "Western" "med" "eastern", it doesn't mean anything, it's way too vague and create artificial distances.

So which is the most accurate, truly? K13?

de Burgh II
10-09-2016, 01:45 AM
I would say k13 and k15 for Eurogenes is surprisingly quite accurate. Since my ancestry is comprised of these two ethnicities; it puts me at roughly 13/16 Irish and 3/16 Southern French/Northern Spanish overlap.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.64
2 Baltic 19.98
3 West_Med 15.56
4 West_Asian 5.99
5 East_Med 4.3
6 Amerindian 1.2
7 South_Asian 1.05
8 Red_Sea 1
9 Northeast_African 0.23
10 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 3.13
2 Southeast_English 3.8
3 West_Scottish 5.29
4 Orcadian 5.29
5 Irish 5.42
6 South_Dutch 6.37
7 North_Dutch 7.18
8 Danish 7.67
9 West_German 7.91
10 North_German 8.74
11 Norwegian 9.54
12 French 9.87
13 Swedish 11.92
14 Austrian 15.08
15 East_German 15.97
16 Spanish_Cataluna 16.26
17 Southwest_French 17.31
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.4
19 Spanish_Cantabria 17.65
20 North_Swedish 17.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.2% West_Scottish + 19.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.23
2 78.5% Irish + 21.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.31
3 78.6% West_Scottish + 21.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.33
4 78.2% Irish + 21.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.4
5 80% Irish + 20% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.44
6 79.4% West_Scottish + 20.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.44
7 76.1% West_Scottish + 23.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.45
8 78.8% West_Scottish + 21.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.45
9 78.4% Irish + 21.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.48
10 78.9% West_Scottish + 21.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.48
11 78.5% Irish + 21.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.55
12 77.5% West_Scottish + 22.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.61
13 75.8% Irish + 24.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.61
14 79.2% West_Scottish + 20.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.62
15 77.1% Irish + 22.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.71
16 77.8% West_Scottish + 22.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.72
17 78.4% West_Scottish + 21.6% Portuguese @ 1.73
18 79.2% Irish + 20.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.74
19 77.5% Irish + 22.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.83
20 90.4% West_Scottish + 9.6% Sardinian @ 1.84

Dr. Robotnik the Subbotnik
10-09-2016, 02:33 AM
I would say k13 and k15 for Eurogenes is surprisingly quite accurate. Since my ancestry is comprised of these two ethnicities; it puts me at roughly 13/16 Irish and 3/16 Southern French/Northern Spanish overlap.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 North_Atlantic 50.64
2 Baltic 19.98
3 West_Med 15.56
4 West_Asian 5.99
5 East_Med 4.3
6 Amerindian 1.2
7 South_Asian 1.05
8 Red_Sea 1
9 Northeast_African 0.23
10 Oceanian 0.05

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Southwest_English 3.13
2 Southeast_English 3.8
3 West_Scottish 5.29
4 Orcadian 5.29
5 Irish 5.42
6 South_Dutch 6.37
7 North_Dutch 7.18
8 Danish 7.67
9 West_German 7.91
10 North_German 8.74
11 Norwegian 9.54
12 French 9.87
13 Swedish 11.92
14 Austrian 15.08
15 East_German 15.97
16 Spanish_Cataluna 16.26
17 Southwest_French 17.31
18 Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon 17.4
19 Spanish_Cantabria 17.65
20 North_Swedish 17.81

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 80.2% West_Scottish + 19.8% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.23
2 78.5% Irish + 21.5% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.31
3 78.6% West_Scottish + 21.4% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.33
4 78.2% Irish + 21.8% Spanish_Castilla_La_Mancha @ 1.4
5 80% Irish + 20% Spanish_Andalucia @ 1.44
6 79.4% West_Scottish + 20.6% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.44
7 76.1% West_Scottish + 23.9% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.45
8 78.8% West_Scottish + 21.2% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.45
9 78.4% Irish + 21.6% Spanish_Murcia @ 1.48
10 78.9% West_Scottish + 21.1% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.48
11 78.5% Irish + 21.5% Spanish_Valencia @ 1.55
12 77.5% West_Scottish + 22.5% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.61
13 75.8% Irish + 24.2% Spanish_Cataluna @ 1.61
14 79.2% West_Scottish + 20.8% Spanish_Aragon @ 1.62
15 77.1% Irish + 22.9% Spanish_Castilla_Y_Leon @ 1.71
16 77.8% West_Scottish + 22.2% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.72
17 78.4% West_Scottish + 21.6% Portuguese @ 1.73
18 79.2% Irish + 20.8% Spanish_Extremadura @ 1.74
19 77.5% Irish + 22.5% Spanish_Cantabria @ 1.83
20 90.4% West_Scottish + 9.6% Sardinian @ 1.84

My Eurogenes K13, again:

Closest Populations:
1. North-German (distance = 4.764885)
2. North-Dutch (distance = 6.068629)

Population Sharing:

50% North-German + 50% North-German

50% North-German + 25% North-German + 25% North-German

Irish + North-German + North-German + North-German

Eurogenes EUTest V2 K15:

Using 1 population approximation:
1 North_German @ 4.177320
2 Danish @ 7.036249


Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +50% North_German @ 4.177320

Using 3 populations approximation:
1 50% North_German +25% North_German +25% North_German @ 4.177320

Using 4 populations approximation:
1 North_German + North_German + North_German + North_German @ 4.177320

Geeze K15 puts me as even more North_German than K13!

If these tests really are the most accurate, then if nobody knew I was Euromutt then I would be mistaken for one of the purest Nord-Deutsch in the world..