Which Maghrebi population are genetically the most Caucasoid/West Eurasian?

[Zanzibar]

What Maghrebi population are the genetically the most West Eurasian/Caucasoid? Is it northern Tunisians, isolated Berbers like Riffians, Kabyles, other Northern Algerians, Moroccans?

Also which Maghrebi country is the most European and West Asian-shifted genetically?

[dddcc]

Kabyles then Riffians are the genetically most Eurasian Maghrebis.
The most West-Asian shifted are Tunisians.

[Zanzibar]

Kabyles then Riffians are the genetically most Eurasian Maghrebis.
The most West-Asian shifted are Tunisians.

Have you seen any Kabyle or Riffian results and how much West Eurasian they were genetically?

So Tunisians are the most West-Asian shifted because they have more CHG than other Maghrebis?

[Trojka]

Berbers are technically ancient Quadroons with 75% West Eurasian and 25% Sub Saharian. Delta Egyptians are the least Sub Saharan with the most West Eurasian (Arab) ancestry.

[Zanzibar]

Berbers are technically ancient Quadroons with 75% West Eurasian and 25% Sub Saharian. Delta Egyptians are the least Sub Saharan with the most West Eurasian (Arab) ancestry.

Not necessary. Berbers can range from around 13 or 14% to 25% SSA on average.

Egyptians are around 14-20% SSA with an average around 16-18% SSA.

Btw Egyptians are not considered Maghrebis. Maghrebis are Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians and Moroccans.

[Trojka]

Not necessary. Berbers can range from around 13 or 14% to 25% SSA on average.

Egyptians are around 14-20% SSA with an average around 16-18% SSA.

Btw this question asks about which Maghrebis are the most West Eurasian. Egyptians are not considered Maghrebis. Maghrebis are Libyans, Tunisians, Algerians and Moroccans.

They're in the same league more or less. "Maghrebis" with 12% SSA have recent European ancestry, Pure Mozambites score homogeneously 20-30% Sub Saharan

Edit: As you move from West to East the Sub Saharan decrease and the Arabic increase, that's the only genetic barrier in North Africa from what i've seen.

[Petalpusher]

West Eurasian isn't exactly the most WHG. It's the least SSA and E_Asian, which isn't mechanically more WHG. In Europe the 3 most W.Eurasian pop are N.Italians, Basques and Sardinians, cause highly LBK like and low to none AG2-3.

In Maghreb probably Lybians.

[Zanzibar]

West Eurasian isn't exactly the most WHG. It's the least SSA and E_Asian, which isn't mechanically more WHG. In Europe the 3 most W.Eurasian pop are N.Italians, Basques and Sardinians.

In Maghreb probably Lybians.

N.Italians, Basque, Sardinians are more West Eurasian than Northern Europeans? :eek:

So Libyans and probably Coastal Tunisians are likely the most West Eurasian genetically in the Maghreb? What about the ones with least SSA?

[Zanzibar]

They're in the same league more or less. "Maghrebis" with 12% SSA have recent European ancestry, Pure Mozambites score homogeneously 20-30% Sub Saharan

Edit: As you move from West to East the Sub Saharan decrease and the Arabic increase, that's the only genetic barrier in North Africa from what i've seen.

If that's the case, then Northern Maghrebis like Riffians, Kabyles have Euro ancestry because most of them are less than 20-30% SSA?

You are right. Looks like the Sahara desert is acting as genetic barrier.

[Petalpusher]

N.Italians, Basque, Sardinians are more West Eurasian than Northern Europeans? :eek:

So Libyans and probably Coastal Tunisians are likely the most West Eurasian genetically in the Maghreb? What about the ones with least SSA?

Yes definetly, they have low E_Asian affinity, cause low ANE and on the other hand no SSA either.


However within ancient samples it's the Nordic Late neo culture of Danemark, as it is somewhere between early neo and WHG, with no significant ANE. You cannot beat that but some other MN/LN from several euro countries can get close.

[Zanzibar]

Double Post.

[Zanzibar]

Yes definetly, they have low E_Asian affinity, cause low ANE and on the other hand no SSA either.


However within ancient samples it's the Nordic Late neo culture of Danemark, as it is somewhere between early neo and WHG, with no significant ANE. You cannot beat that but some other MN/LN from several euro countries can get close.

Wait ANE has something to do with East Asia? Is ANE consider a West Eurasian component or not? Because I read from many members from anthrogenica that ANE is a West Eurasian genetic component.

Ok so ancient Nordic late neo cultures don't have that much ANE. So the ANE in Scandinavians come after that period.

Libyans and Coastal Tunisians are likely the most West Eurasian? Who are the least SSA in Maghreb?

[Petalpusher]

Wait ANE has something to do with East Asia? Is ANE consider a West Eurasian component or not? Because I read from many members from anthrogenica that ANE is a West Eurasian genetic component.

Ok so ancient Nordic late neo cultures don't have that much ANE. So the ANE in Scandinavians come after that period.

Libyans and Coastal Tunisians are likely the most West Eurasian? Who are the least SSA in Maghreb?

ANE is roughly 70% West Eurasian 30% East Eurasian. The more you get, the more E_Asian affinity you have even though it's not directly E_Asian it's just something more common there or that diverged from the same stock at some point. For instance you take your ANE value in K7/K8 and divide it by approximately 3-4, you ll get pretty much your E_Asian score at K3, it works well.

Yes of course most of the ANE came in the Bronze Age, you had in the mesolithic a lot in Karelia, some in Motala but not much in the West prior to the Bronze Age. Since the neo culture mixed with local WHG and the neolithic reached Scandinavia later, it had the time to "build" more local WHG in the genepool, but these cultures didn't last long as it was just before the steppe invasions.

[Zanzibar]

ANE is roughly 70% West Eurasian 30% East Eurasian. The more you get, the more E_Asian affinity you have even though it's not directly E_Asian it's just something more common there or that diverged from the same stock at some point. For instance you take your ANE value in K7/K8 and divide it by approximately 3-4, you ll get pretty much your E_Asian score at K3, it works well.

Yes of course most of the ANE came in the Bronze Age, you had in the mesolithic a lot in Karelia, some in Motala but not much in the West prior to the Bronze Age. Since the neo culture mixed with local WHG and the neolithic reached Scandinavia later, it had the time to "build" more local WHG in the genepool, but these cultures didn't last long as it was just before the steppe invasions.

Very interesting. So ANE has substantially East Eurasian admix as well. Since most Euros have some ANE, would this mean most Europeans have some minor East Eurasian ancestry as well?

Native Americans/Amerindians are something like 50% East Asian +50% ANE from what I remember. Since ANE is mostly West Eurasian, would this mean Amerindians have substantial West Eurasian ancestry? Also how much West Eurasian are Native Americans autosomally?

Hmm so ancient North Eurasian is actually mostly West Eurasian+East Eurasian?

[Zanzibar]

Kabyles then Riffians are the genetically most Eurasian Maghrebis.
The most West-Asian shifted are Tunisians.

Have you seen any Kabyle or Riffian results and how much West Eurasian they were genetically?

So Tunisians are the most West-Asian shifted because they have more CHG than other Maghrebis?

[Petalpusher]

Very interesting. So ANE has substantially East Eurasian admix as well. Since most Euros have some ANE, would this mean most Europeans have some minor East Eurasian ancestry as well?

Native Americans/Amerindians are something like 50% East Asian +50% ANE from what I remember. Since ANE is mostly West Eurasian, would this mean Amerindians have substantial West Eurasian ancestry? Also how much West Eurasian are Native Americans autosomally?

Hmm so ancient North Eurasian is actually mostly West Eurasian+East Eurasian?

As i said it's not exactly E_Eurasian, it's something broadly E_Eurasian, it would be a vast subject but it's more common there than in W_Eurasian. Still ANE was more W_Eurasian overall,with significant E_Eurasian affinity (expected as it evolved close to modern Mongolia/China)

Amerindians have something West Eurasian due to their ANE ancestry but they are closer to E_Eurasians. Actually ANE is halfway WHG - Paleo Indian/Siberian. South Americans with a lot of Amerindian often hang in the middle of Eurasia on pca's for that reason.

[Numidia]

Tunisia

[Voskos]

Tunisia and Northern Morocco.