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Myanthropologies
10-07-2016, 11:11 PM
When people say "Afghan," they probably think of Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks. However, a lot of people who are Afghan do not belong to those two ethnicities, approximately 40% of Afghans do not. All these ethnic groups are just as Afghan as one another. This thread is to help people recognize the full diversity of people in Afghanistan, a very misunderstood country. All the Afghan ethnic groups are beautiful.

INB4 "AFGHANISTAN IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!"' Yes, I know that, but this was the least of the bad sections available.

Pashtuns

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Khost_children_in_2010.jpg/150px-Khost_children_in_2010.jpg
https://jamditis.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/khost_children_in_2010-e1363389188905.jpg?w=672&h=372&crop=1

Pashtuns are the main ethnic group in Afghanistan. They are an Eastern Iranian people, who's language closely related to Pamiri. Approximately 42% of Afghans are pashtuns. More Pashtuns live in neighboring Pakistan than in Afghanistan. This is due to the Duranid Line boundary issue which was created which divided former Afghan land. However, most Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns ignore the border and treat it as Afghan land to this day.

Pashtuns are a very tribal people and their culture is formed on the base of pashtunwali code


Pashtunwali (or Pakhtunwali) refers to an ancient self-governing tribal system that regulates nearly all aspects of Pashtun life ranging from community to personal level. Numerous intricate tenets of Pashtunwali influence Pashtun social behaviour. One of the better known tenets is Melmastia, hospitality and asylum to all guests seeking help. Perceived injustice calls for Badal, swift revenge. One guide on Pakistan claims that the famous phrase Revenge is a dish best served cold is of Pashtun origin, borrowed by the British and popularised in the West,[88] Males are expected to protect Zan, Zar, Zmaka (females, gold and land). Many aspects promote peaceful co-existence, such as Nanawati, the humble admission of guilt for a wrong committed, which should result in automatic forgiveness from the wronged party. These and other basic precepts of Pashtunwali continue to be followed by many Pashtuns, especially in rural areas.

A prominent institution of the Pashtun people is the intricate system of tribes. The Pashtuns remain a predominantly tribal people, but the worldwide trend of urbanisation has begun to alter Pashtun society as cities such as Kandahar, Peshawar, Quetta and Kabul have grown rapidly due to the influx of rural Pashtuns. Despite this trend of urbanisation, many people still identify themselves with various clans.

The culture itself is obviously largely Iranian, but has influences from the Greeks, Indians, Turkics, and Arabs (if you count religion).

One of the biggest non-religious holidays is the persian Norwuz (Persian new year). This holiday is celebrated widely. Albanians, Tatars, Persians, Uzbeks, Tatars, Turks, Pashtuns, Balochis, Kazakhs, Parsis, Georgians, Azeris, Tabassarans, Tajiks, Lezgins, Lurs, Talyshs, Ossetians, Ughyurs, and many other ethnic groups around the area celebrate this holiday as well. It is an highly Iranic holiday and stems from our ancient religion (Zorostrianism), but also celebrated by people in the Balkans and Russia as well. It is usually celebrated around March 21st every year. So this holiday is celebrated by not only the pashtuns but virtually almost everyone in Afghanistan.

Tajiks

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2TR65mD-BB71maVR2CVEsjejg3R6xgdEFm5eKwqLVkYFgM08L8w

Afghan Tajiks are the second largest ethnic group in Afghanistan. They make up roughly a quarter of Afghanistan's population. Tajiks speak an Eastern Persian dialect called "Dari." This is also one of the official languages of Afghanistan.

Tajiks are less tribal than Pashtuns, but they are a very interesting people. Their culture greatly overlaps with pashtuns in terms of traditions, languages, and culture. They are the closest ethnic group to Afghan Pashtuns in terms of everything.

Pamiri Tajiks also fall under this, but I'll give them their own section.

Hazaras

http://s.ngm.com/2008/02/afghanistan-hazara/img/afghanistan-hazara-hdr.jpg

Hazaras in Afghanistan are Persian speaking. Hazaras are descended from mongolian settlers who mixed with the local population. Depsite becoming pashtunified and persianified, many have retained their original Turkic customs and still practice them in Afghanistan, and it is beautiful. Hazaras tie with Uzbeks in being the third largest population(s) in Afghanistan. Hazaras and Uzbeks both individually make up 9% of Afghanistan's population, (meaning together, they make up 18%).

Uzbeks

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Costumes_of_Uzbek_men.jpg

Uzbeks, like Pashtuns, are a tribal people. Afghanistan has the second largest Uzbek population, and Uzbeks and Afghans go way back. Uzbeks are a Turanid Turkic ethnic group who have strong ties to the Central Asian steepe. As mentioned earlier, Uzbeks make up 9% of Afghans, and tie with Hazaras in being the third largest afghan population. Uzbeks in Afghanistan are a mixture of recent migrants and some are there from historic times some the fall of many Persian and Central Asian empires.

Though Uzbeks have a large affinity to Iranics, they are a Turkic people and have retained a lot of their Turkic culture.

Aimaq

https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p10201.jpg

The Aimaqs are a Persian speaking people. They are extremely similar to Hazaras, with the exception of the Aimaqs being Sunni Muslim and not Shiia Muslim like the Hazaras are.


Turkmens

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CkrWKXZYP8c/U3KK0ZcCOxI/AAAAAAAADcY/B2hefTx-DbU/s1600/AfghanTurkmen2.jpg


The Turkmens who speak a Turkic language make up 3% of Afghans and are known for being extremely moderate and laidback muslims.

Balochis


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Men_in_Zaranj-cropped.jpg/220px-Men_in_Zaranj-cropped.jpg

The Balochis are another Eastern Iranian people, being somewhat similar to Pashtuns and Tajiks. They make up 2% of Afghans. They speak Balochi.

Pamiris
http://www.pamirs.org/images/Odyssey%20launch/images/launch3.jpg

Pamiri Tajiks are extremely linguistically and ethnically close to Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks. They also share ties with other Central Asians as well, culturally, since they are spread out across Afghanistan, Tajikstan, and even China.


Nuristanis

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQH5TVXu-TidWU46FmupJln5kprI_-3dPdI4AvELhsbOufxNYOV5A

The Nuristanis live in Eastern Afghanistan. They are interesting in that they are not Iranic, but their own sub-branch of Indo-Iranian called "Nuristani." They were said to be descended from the Greeks, but genetics have proved that the Kalash (who are probably more or less similar to a good portion Nuristanis) are genetically related to other populations in the area and don't have connections with Greeks. The rumor of them descending from Greeks probably stemmed from the Nuristanis having a high rate of blondism (which is weird cause Greeks aren't even known for being blonde). The Nuristanis and the Kalash have had in iffy history with Pashtuns and Indic groups, with both trying to assimilate them. The Nuristanis are now muslim, but the both the Kalash and the Nuristani have retained most of their culture and have done a good job preserving the original indo-aryan cultures of AfghanIstan.

Other ethnic groups in Afghanistan include Arabs, Gujjars, and Brahuis, who make up 4% of Afghans together

wvwvw
10-07-2016, 11:20 PM
Nuristanis descend from Albanian Ghegs who were in Alexander's army. :laugh:

"Nuristanis were depicted as their pre-Islamic past the Kafiristanis, (infidels) as one of peoples inhabiting Kafiristan (infidel land) Rudyard Kipling's book called The Man Who Would Be King which was then made into a film. The book was published in 1888, eight years before Nuristan was conquered and converted to Islam by Emir Abdur Rahman Khan."

Myanthropologies
10-07-2016, 11:22 PM
Nuristanis descend from Albanian Ghegs who were in Alexander's army.

"Nuristanis were depicted as their pre-Islamic past the Kafiristanis, (infidels) as one of peoples inhabiting Kafiristan (infidel land) Rudyard Kipling's book called The Man Who Would Be King which was then made into a film. The book was published in 1888, eight years before Nuristan was conquered and converted to Islam by Emir Abdur Rahman Khan."

No they dont. My mom is like a quarter or half (she has nuristani grandparents from both sides) nuristani and someone on her side of the family took a DNA test and absolutely no Albanian blood came up.

wvwvw
10-07-2016, 11:25 PM
No they dont. My mom is like a quarter nuristani and someone on her side of the family took a DNA test and absolutely no Albanian blood came up.

But it wouldn't show in her dna test, what were you expecting to find.

Myanthropologies
10-07-2016, 11:33 PM
But it wouldn't show in her dna test, what were you expecting to find.

If we had Balkanic blood, it would have showed ya know. My mom did say she might be part Bulgarian, but I doubt that's true. Nuristanis probably overlap with Pamiris. They're a bit different from the Kalash. Her grandparents from nuristani look like pamiris and the dna test looked very Caucasus shifted like my paternal cousins as well. So they seem to overlap with pashtuns from my dad's area.

Myanthropologies
10-07-2016, 11:35 PM
Some Nuristanis are basically pashtuns too, they're diverse.

AphroditeWorshiper
10-07-2016, 11:37 PM
Hazaras are my favorite

Myanthropologies
10-07-2016, 11:40 PM
Hazaras are my favorite

They are really oppressed atm. Afghanistan is kind of shitty to them and something needs to be done about that. Pakistan is just even worse to them.

Registan
10-07-2016, 11:49 PM
They are really oppressed atm. Afghanistan is kind of shitty to them and something needs to be done about that. Pakistan is just even worse to them.

They are not really oppressed anymore and play an important role in the Afghan political scene and other spheres.

Nuristanis aren't Dardic, they are distinct from Indo-Aryans/Dardics and Iranics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuristani_languages

Nowroz is more associated with Tajiks than Pashtuns so I'm not sure why you included it under Pashtuns!

Myanthropologies
10-07-2016, 11:51 PM
They are not really oppressed anymore and play an important role in the Afghan political scene and other spheres.

Nuristanis aren't Dardic, they are distinct from Indo-Aryans/Dardics and Iranics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuristani_languages

Nowroz is more associated with Tajiks than Pashtuns so I'm not sure why you included it under Pashtuns!

It's associated with Pasthuns too! We celebrate it every year. I out it under Pasthuns first because I mentioned Pasthuns first. But I also noted all afghans celebrate Norwuz.

Laberia
10-08-2016, 11:01 AM
Nuristanis descend from Albanian Ghegs who were in Alexander's army. :laugh:

"Nuristanis were depicted as their pre-Islamic past the Kafiristanis, (infidels) as one of peoples inhabiting Kafiristan (infidel land) Rudyard Kipling's book called The Man Who Would Be King which was then made into a film. The book was published in 1888, eight years before Nuristan was conquered and converted to Islam by Emir Abdur Rahman Khan."

Raine, what's the problem? Why you attack us?
Read this article, there are many like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2011/apr/17/pakistan-taliban-hindu-kush

Explain how you want to hellenise this people. Next step will be the conversion of this people in good orthodox. Of course, all this with German money.

AphroditeWorshiper
10-08-2016, 06:15 PM
How common is the Intermarriage between the different ethnic groups in Afghanistan?

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 06:31 PM
Raine, what's the problem? Why you attack us?
Read this article, there are many like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2011/apr/17/pakistan-taliban-hindu-kush

Explain how you want to hellenise this people. Next step will be the conversion of this people in good orthodox. Of course, all this with German money.

They're not descended from Greeks or Albanians or any Europeans. Nuristani and Kalash aren't the same tbh. Kalash is an ethnic group while Nuristanis are just various groups of people. Some Nuristanis are like Kalash some like pamiris & pashtuns, etc.

The Kalash don't descend from the Greeks either.

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 06:32 PM
How common is the Intermarriage between the different ethnic groups in Afghanistan?

Afghan Pashtun - Afghan Tajiks intermarriages aren't that uncommon, but pashtun or tajik - hazara marriages are quite uncommon, unless in a more urban area such as kabul.

A lot of pashtuns stay within their own tribes only two, but I'm half one tribe and half another lol.

Halgurd
10-08-2016, 06:36 PM
What about Dari speakers? What ethnicity do they fall under? Are they not basically Persian?

Registan
10-08-2016, 06:36 PM
What about Dari speakers? What ethnicity do they fall under? Are they not basically Persian?

They are known as Tajik.

Halgurd
10-08-2016, 06:37 PM
They are known as Tajik.

Ohhhh okay this makes sense

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 06:37 PM
What about Dari speakers? What ethnicity do they fall under? Are they not basically Persian?

They call themselves Tajiks but a lot of American Tajiks call themselves Persians.

Pahli
10-08-2016, 06:47 PM
They call themselves Tajiks but a lot of American Tajiks call themselves Persians.

Its a bit ironic however, they are basically Persianized Bactrians and Sogdians aka. East Iranians speaking Persian.

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 06:49 PM
They're not descended from Greeks or Albanians or any Europeans. Nuristani and Kalash aren't the same tbh. Kalash is an ethnic group while Nuristanis are just various groups of people. Some Nuristanis are like Kalash some like pamiris & pashtuns, etc.

The Kalash don't descend from the Greeks either.

The Slavs/Scythes roamed in Central Asia so it is no brainer where the blondism in some of them comes from. Their ydna (R1a) is very telling.

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 06:50 PM
Its a bit ironic however, they are basically Persianized Bactrians and Sogdians aka. East Iranians speaking Persian.

It is a bit ironic but they've been that way for ages. Plus in america, nobody knows wtf a tajik is. I hate saying I'm afghan to people because I'm technically not and that's a nationality, but at the same time not many people in America know who the pashtuns are, but they do know who afghans are.

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 06:51 PM
The Slavs/Scythes roamed in Central Asia so it is no brainer where their blondism if any comes from. Their ydna (R1a) is very telling.

Scythians and slavs are not the same thing.

The Kalash are actually less northern genetically than the pashtuns, nuristani, etc are.

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 06:53 PM
Scythians and slavs are not the same thing.

The Kalash are actually less northern genetically than the pashtuns, nuristani, etc are.

They were Europeans

Danishmend
10-08-2016, 06:54 PM
Ethnic groups in Afghanistan
https://www.neweurasia.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/afghanistan_ethnolinguistic_groups_1997.jpg




Some Afghanistan Turkmens

http://www.musicfortheeyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/IMG_1702.jpg
http://www.afghanmania.com/u_img/7/8/3/l_1038.jpeg

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 06:55 PM
They were Europeans

The Scythians were not Europeans. They were an Iranic group and were related to modern Eastern Iranics and Eastern Europeans. Even the branch of Indo-Iranians that went into the area mixed with BMAC and were in between modern East Euros and East Iranics. I can show an Oracle.

Registan
10-08-2016, 06:55 PM
It is a bit ironicx but they've been that way for ages. Plus in america, nobody knows wtf a tajik is. Ihate saying I'm afghan to people because I'm technically not and that's a nationality, but at the same time not many people in America know who the pashtuns are, but they do know who afghans are.

It is no more ironic than Lebanese, Syrians, Palestinians, etc. considering themselves Arab. Most Tajiks have been Persianized for over a millenium now. Plus most western texts present historical figures who were Tajik as "Persian"

Registan
10-08-2016, 06:57 PM
Ethnic groups in Afghanistan
https://www.neweurasia.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/afghanistan_ethnolinguistic_groups_1997.jpg




Some Afghanistan Turkmens

http://www.musicfortheeyes.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/IMG_1702.jpg
http://www.afghanmania.com/u_img/7/8/3/l_1038.jpeg

These kind of maps are never accurate since there are many Pashtun communities in the north and west, and many areas depicted as Uzbek have substantial Tajik communities. And there are many Tajik communities in Pashtun areas in the south and east.

Halgurd
10-08-2016, 06:58 PM
Its a bit ironic however, they are basically Persianized Bactrians and Sogdians aka. East Iranians speaking Persian.

That's so cool. I think I've mentioned it before but one of my closest friend is a Dari speaking Afghan (so she's Tajik I guess). Whenever she speaks with someone I understand like 90% of what she says.

Danishmend
10-08-2016, 07:00 PM
These kind of maps are never accurate since there are many Pashtun communities in the north and west, and many areas depicted as Uzbek have substantial Tajik communities. And there are many Tajik communities in Pashtun areas in the south and east.

I'm not an expert on ethno-religious distribution in Afghanistan, you might be right. That is what google gave me.

Danishmend
10-08-2016, 07:07 PM
Qizilbash in Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qizilbash#Afghanistan

Qizilbash in Afghanistan live in urban areas, such as Kabul, Herat or Mazari Sharif, as well as in certain villages in Hazarajat. They are descendants of the troops left behind by Nadir Shah during his "Indian campaign" in 1738.[43][44] Afghanistan's Qizilbash held important posts in government offices in the past, and today engage in trade or are craftsmen. Since the creation of Afghanistan, they constitute an important and politically influential element of society. Estimates of their population vary from 60,000 to 200,000.[45][46] They are Persian-speaking Shi'i Muslims and are usually linked to the Fārsīwāns and Tājīks of the country.

Sir Mountstuart Elphinstone described the Qizilbash of Kabul in the beginning of the 19th century as "a colony of Turks," who spoke "Persian, and among themselves Turkish."[47] Described as learned, affluent, and influential, they appear to have abandoned their native Turkish language in favour of Persian, and became "in fact Persianized Turks".[48] Lady Florentia Sale (wife of Sir Robert Henry Sale) and Vincent Eyre – both companions of Sir Mountstuart Elphinstone – described the Qizilbash of Afghanistan also as "Persians, of Persian descent".[49][50]

The influence of the Qizilbash in the government created resentment among the ruling Pashtun clans, especially after the Qizilbash openly allied themselves with the British during the First Anglo-Afghan War (1839–1842). During Abdur Rahman Khan's massacre of the Shi'i minorities in Afghanistan, the Qizilbash were declared "enemies of the state" and were persecuted and hunted by the government and by the Sunni majority.

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 07:11 PM
That's so cool. I think I've mentioned it before but one of my closest friend is a Dari speaking Afghan (so she's Tajik I guess). Whenever she speaks with someone I understand like 90% of what she says.

Because you're her Iranic bro :D

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 07:30 PM
Raine, what's the problem? Why you attack us?
Read this article, there are many like this:
https://www.theguardian.com/travel/2011/apr/17/pakistan-taliban-hindu-kush

Explain how you want to hellenise this people. Next step will be the conversion of this people in good orthodox. Of course, all this with German money.

It is the Kalash people themselves that made that claim because they believed they descend from Alexander the Great's army. Why would Greeks want to hellenize a people they have never heard of?

Don't blame me because much of the Ancient world was Greco-centric. Greeks were one of the most populous nations on earth. They explored the world and spread civilization. They were loved by the people because they respected the local cultures and were not racist bigots like Albanians. They behaved like modern men.

Greeks in China

http://www.thesecretgreece.gr/products_img/1454504945_0_Ancient-Greek-theater-in-Yunnan-region-in-China-.jpg

A whole Chinese province is named after Greeks

In a remote area with the characteristic name Yunnan in China (Yunnan = Ionian = Greeks, for the peoples of the East), stands the imposing ancient Greek theater unique in its kind.

http://www.paulnoll.com/China/Provinces/pop-Province-Yunnan.jpg

Chinese villagers 'descended from Roman soldiers'
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/8154490/Chinese-villagers-descended-from-Roman-soldiers.html

Descendants of Alexander the Great's army fought in ancient China, historian finds
http://www.historyoftheancientworld.com/2012/07/descendants-of-alexander-the-greats-army-fought-in-ancient-china-historian-finds/

Chinese Geochemist Claims Chinese Civilization Came from the Hyksos Kings of Ancient Egypt - Jason Colavito
http://www.jasoncolavito.com/blog/chinese-geochemist-claims-chinese-civilization-came-from-the-hyksos-kings-of-ancient-egypt

And guess who the Hyksos were? Greeks

The ancestors of the Greeks in China
http://amphipolis.gr/en/οι-πρόγονοι-των-ελλήνων-στην-κίνα/

:laugh:


https://youtu.be/Ht--xbVMQao

Registan
10-08-2016, 07:32 PM
The Qizilbash who settled in Afghanistan were mainly Persians, Kurds and Lurs. Some intermarried with Tajiks and Hazaras.

Hussein Ali Khan Panjshiri, Afghanistan's first defense minister. His father was Tajik (Panjshiri) and his mother was a Qizilbash Lur.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14034925_1411324825547529_5373084316666034735_n.jp g?oh=12538e6471a2521b870ef7c4ac24b99a&oe=586EE751

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 07:35 PM
And yet another thread turning into how the Greeks invented everything and built China.

Danishmend
10-08-2016, 07:43 PM
The Qizilbash who settled in Afghanistan were mainly Persians, Kurds and Lurs. Some intermarried with Tajiks and Hazaras.

Hussein Ali Khan Panjshiri, Afghanistan's first defense minister. His father was Tajik (Panjshiri) and his mother was a Qizilbash Lur.

https://scontent-lga3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/14034925_1411324825547529_5373084316666034735_n.jp g?oh=12538e6471a2521b870ef7c4ac24b99a&oe=586EE751


Most Qizilbash tribes within the Afsharid Empire were Turks (Ustadjlu, Rumlu, Shamlu, Dulkadir, Afshar, Qajar, Takkalu --> these are the tribes that gave rise to modern Azerbaijani nation), the non-Turkic Iranian tribes among the Qizilbash were called Tajiks by Turks (Talish, Lurs, some Kurdish and Persian clans). The Qizilbash who settled in Afghanistan were probably consisted of both groups.

Registan
10-08-2016, 07:52 PM
Most Qizilbash tribes within the Afsharid Empire were Turks (Ustadjlu, Rumlu, Shamlu, Dulkadir, Afshar, Qajar, Takkalu --> these are the tribes that gave rise to modern Azerbaijani nation), the non-Turkic Iranian tribes among the Qizilbash were called Tajiks by Turks (Talish, Lurs, some Kurdish and Persian clans). The Qizilbash who settled in Afghanistan were probably consisted of both groups.

There were Turkic tribes among them as well such as Bayat, Shamlu, etc. I believe Ahmad Shamlu's father was born in Kabul.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ehsan_Bayat

^Prominent Afghan businessman.

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 08:10 PM
The Scythians were not Europeans. They were an Iranic group and were related to modern Eastern Iranics and Eastern Europeans. Even the branch of Indo-Iranians that went into the area mixed with BMAC and were in between modern East Euros and East Iranics. I can show an Oracle.

In the east maybe they had mixed with Iranics but in the west they were described as having blond hair and blue eyes. So they were most likely Germanic. The Picts came from Scythia and so did the Scots, as did the Germans.

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 08:38 PM
In the east maybe they had mixed with Iranics but in the west they were described as having blond hair and blue eyes. So they were most likely Germanic. The Picts came from Scythia and so did the Scots, as did the Germans.

Scythians were a kingdom stretching from Central Asia to Eastern Europe and absolutely not Western Europe. They were not Germanic, but a cross of Slavic/Iranic. Lol, Germans and Scots are not descendants of Scythians, Central Asians, Eastern Iranics, and Eastern Europeans are. Scotts and Germans are really mostly brown haired anyways, so I don't see your point. Circassians are often light haired yet genetically closer to Iranians than to Europeans. In plus, many tribes in AfghanIstan have loads of light hair and light eyes. Afghans are all phenotypically diverse even within the same family.

Earlier indo-Europeans were like balto-slavs though.

Danishmend
10-08-2016, 08:44 PM
Earlier indo-Europeans were like balto-slavs though.

Nope. North Slavs can be modelled as 1/3 Yamnaya + 2/3 pre-Yamnaya (WHG + Neolithic). Yamnaya (supposed PIE) samples do not resemble any modern population, they were 1/2 EHG + 1/2 CHG.

adsız
10-08-2016, 08:48 PM
A whole Chinese province is named after Greeks

In a remote area with the characteristic name Yunnan in China (Yunnan = Ionian = Greeks, for the peoples of the East),
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It is

云 南 Yún Nan
云 yún >> Cloud
南 Nan >> South

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 09:06 PM
It is

云 南 Yún Nan
云 yún >> Cloud
南 Nan >> South

Except you ignore the Greek city that has been unearthed in the province of Yunnan. It is a bit comical to suggest they'd name their province Southern Cloud.

Fact is the Greeks were one of the most populous nations in the Ancient world. Only 16% of Greeks survive today. Some Greek tribes lived as far as China and India.

The Chinese God Tao is an Indo-European word. Ask yourself what it is doing in Chinese. The Chinese had writing and villages 9,000 years ago but didn't have any gods until after 1700 BC and those were imposed on them by Zeus Deus who was the "ruler of the known world" at th time. That's why the Chinese word for the divine essence is Tao. It's clearly Indo-European and derived directly from the Arcado-Cypriot Greek Diwios.

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 09:11 PM
Reac also about Panchaia (India) where Greeks lived together with Scythians and other native people.

PANKHAIA (Panchaea) was a legendary island of the far south (India), located in the ocean beyond Arabia. It was inhabited by a lost Greek tribe who had been led there from Krete (Crete) by the god Zeus in the early days of his divine rule.

Diodorus Siculus, Library of History 5. 41. 4 - 5. 64. 7 (trans. Oldfather) (Greek historian C1st B.C.) :
[Diodorus is believed to have drawn the following account of Pankhaia (Panchaea) from the writer Euhemerus of Messene, who composed a work on the subject known as the Sacred History around 300 B.C.]

http://www.theoi.com/Phylos/Pankhaia.html

"As for Pankhaia (Panchaea) itself, the island possesses many things which are deserving to be recorded by history. It is inhabited by men who were sprung from the soil itself, called Pankhaioi (Panchaeans), and the foreigners there are Okeanites (Oceanites) and Indoi (Indians) and Skythai (Scythians) and Kretes (Cretans).

There is also a notable city on the island, called Panara, which enjoys unusual felicity; its citizens are called ‘suppliants of Zeus Triphylios,’ [Triphylios means ‘Of the Three Tribes’] and they are the only inhabitants of the land of Panchaea who live under laws of their own making and have no king over them. Each year they elect three chief magistrates; these men have no authority over capital crimes, but render judgment in all other matters; and the weightiest affairs they refer of their own accord to the priests.

.....

According to the myth which the priests give, the gods had their origin in Krete (Crete), and were led by Zeus to Pankhaia at the time when he sojourned among men and was king of the inhabited earth. In proof of this they cite their language, pointing out that most of the things they have about them still retain their Kretan (Cretan) names; and they add that the kinship which they have with the Kretans and the kindly regard they feel towards them are traditions they received from their ancestors, since this report is ever handed down from one generation to another. And it has been their practice, in corroboration of these claims, to point to inscriptions which, they said, were made by Zeus during the time he still sojourned among men and founded the temple."

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 09:25 PM
Nope. North Slavs can be modelled as 1/3 Yamnaya + 2/3 pre-Yamnaya (WHG + Neolithic). Yamnaya (supposed PIE) samples do not resemble any modern population, they were 1/2 EHG + 1/2 CHG.

I agree. I don't see why anyone even cares about ancient populations like Scythians and PIE anyone. I mean it's cool to know about them, but idk why people were obsessed with comparing them to modern pops. It's like birds being obsessed with Dinosaur. Lol, well obviously not that drastic, but still lmao.

adsız
10-08-2016, 09:37 PM
a lost Greek tribe

Yes.

They also lived in the lost city, Atlantis. Zeus being unhappy with little sacrifice, destroyed them all...Fucking Zeus...

http://www.web.iran-forum.ir/uploads/posts/2012-01/1326223649_112447.jpg

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 09:59 PM
Yes.

They also lived in the lost city, Atlantis. Zeus being unhappy with little sacrifice, destroyed them all...Fucking Zeus...

http://www.web.iran-forum.ir/uploads/posts/2012-01/1326223649_112447.jpg

Plato never spoke of folk tales, he spoke of historical facts recorded in writing.

The account of Atlantis was given to Solon by the Egyptians in 570 BC.

Atlantis was either Thera or London.

Before Lud, London was called Troia Nova by Brutus. Lud might have changed the name back to London which was his own name and that of Atlantis.

Bell Beaker
10-08-2016, 10:01 PM
Afghanistan is very low populated compared to Pakistan or to India.

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 10:04 PM
Afghanistan is very low populated compared to Pakistan or to India.

And? India is the second most populated country in the world.

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 10:04 PM
Afghanistan is very low populated compared to Pakistan or to India.

Still has a large population compared to most countries in the world

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 10:09 PM
Also, here's the national anthem

https://youtu.be/6HZS_vaN9eA

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 10:13 PM
Still has a large population compared to most countries in the world

Afghan attan or "circle dance" apparently has Greek origins


https://youtu.be/DdhK7G5_9FA

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 10:18 PM
Afghan attan or "circle dance" apparently has Greek origins


The Macedonian hat has Afgan origins

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Terrakota_Statue_eines_Makedoniers_3_Jhdt_v_Chr.jp g/200px-Terrakota_Statue_eines_Makedoniers_3_Jhdt_v_Chr.jp g

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Pakul.jpg

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 10:53 PM
Qizilbash in Afghanistan https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qizilbash#Afghanistan

Qizilbash in Afghanistan live in urban areas, such as Kabul, Herat or Mazari Sharif, as well as in certain villages in Hazarajat. They are descendants of the troops left behind by Nadir Shah during his "Indian campaign" in 1738.[43][44] Afghanistan's Qizilbash held important posts in government offices in the past, and today engage in trade or are craftsmen. Since the creation of Afghanistan, they constitute an important and politically influential element of society. Estimates of their population vary from 60,000 to 200,000.[45][46] They are Persian-speaking Shi'i Muslims and are usually linked to the Fārsīwāns and Tājīks of the country.

Sir Mountstuart Elphinstone described the Qizilbash of Kabul in the beginning of the 19th century as "a colony of Turks," who spoke "Persian, and among themselves Turkish."[47] Described as learned, affluent, and influential, they appear to have abandoned their native Turkish language in favour of Persian, and became "in fact Persianized Turks".[48] Lady Florentia Sale (wife of Sir Robert Henry Sale) and Vincent Eyre – both companions of Sir Mountstuart Elphinstone – described the Qizilbash of Afghanistan also as "Persians, of Persian descent".[49][50]

The influence of the Qizilbash in the government created resentment among the ruling Pashtun clans, especially after the Qizilbash openly allied themselves with the British during the First Anglo-Afghan War (1839–1842). During Abdur Rahman Khan's massacre of the Shi'i minorities in Afghanistan, the Qizilbash were declared "enemies of the state" and were persecuted and hunted by the government and by the Sunni majority.

I should probably add this to the original post, seems significant. Thanks.

Myanthropologies
10-08-2016, 11:12 PM
The Macedonian hat has Afgan origins

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Terrakota_Statue_eines_Makedoniers_3_Jhdt_v_Chr.jp g/200px-Terrakota_Statue_eines_Makedoniers_3_Jhdt_v_Chr.jp g

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cd/Pakul.jpg

Yup. And this kabuli guy wears it better than Macedonians. ;)

https://hotmilkforbreakfast.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/takhari-greek.jpg

Just kidding. So during the Alexander the Great period, it was a lot of Balkanic people? I know Greeks, Bulgarians, and Macedonians were there, but Albanians were too?

Registan
10-08-2016, 11:16 PM
Afghan attan or "circle dance" apparently has Greek origins


https://youtu.be/DdhK7G5_9FA

According to Afghan historian Ahmad Ali Kohzad, Attan, Qarsak-e-Panjshiri (Tajik folk music), and Nuristani folk dances have Indo-Iranian (Bactrian) origins.

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 11:17 PM
Yup. And this kabuli guy wears it better than Macedonians. ;)

https://hotmilkforbreakfast.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/takhari-greek.jpg

Just kidding. So during the Alexander the Great period, it was a lot of Balkanic people? I know Greeks, Bulgarians, and Macedonians were there, but Albanians were too?

The ancestors of Bulgarians and Macedonians of Fyrom were still in the Steppes

wvwvw
10-08-2016, 11:20 PM
According to Afghan historian Ahmad Ali Kohzad, Attan, Qarsak-e-Panjshiri (Tajik folk music), and Nuristani folk dances have Indo-Iranian (Bactrian) origins.

+1

I can't discern something familiar in those dances

Registan
10-08-2016, 11:32 PM
Yup. And this kabuli guy wears it better than Macedonians. ;)

https://hotmilkforbreakfast.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/takhari-greek.jpg

Just kidding. So during the Alexander the Great period, it was a lot of Balkanic people? I know Greeks, Bulgarians, and Macedonians were there, but Albanians were too?

That guy is a Tajik from Takhar, not Kabuli.

Interesting article on the Pakol- https://www.afghanistan-analysts.org/from-alexander-the-great-to-ahmad-shah-massoud-a-social-history-of-the-pakol/

Myanthropologies
10-09-2016, 01:29 AM
+1

I can't discern something familiar in those dances

You're right, I just mistook names. The one that has Greek origins is the khattak dance using swords like the pashtuns here are doing

https://dkzstslcvgwbc.cloudfront.net/sites/default/files/inline_image/folk-dance-photos-muhammad-javaid-the-express-tribune-640x480.jpg

Myanthropologies
10-09-2016, 01:31 AM
Here's a video, pretty cool
https://youtu.be/gFD9h7DWEKI

Nilotik
10-09-2016, 01:39 AM
Very nice phenotypical diversity!

GoneWithTheWind
10-09-2016, 01:42 AM
A country with so many ethnic groups. Intradasting. Explains the diverse phenotypes ive seen. From people who looked mongolid, irano-med to gingers

Myanthropologies
10-09-2016, 02:39 AM
A country with so many ethnic groups. Intradasting. Explains the diverse phenotypes ive seen. From people who looked mongolid, irano-med to gingers

Yup. Even within the ethnic groups themselves, there's a lot of diverse phenotypes.

Profileid
10-09-2016, 02:41 AM
WHITE PASHTUNS

Myanthropologies
10-09-2016, 02:43 AM
WHITE PASHTUNS

BROWN ETAIN

EL_BARBERO
10-09-2016, 02:43 AM
WHY NO ONE MENTION THE [email protected]!!!!!!!!????!??!!?!!?!?????????

https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-static/static/enhanced/webdr02/2012/11/19/17/enhanced-buzz-13889-1353365600-0.jpg

Profileid
10-09-2016, 02:44 AM
BROWN ETAIN

Hey. I am 100% white

Myanthropologies
10-09-2016, 02:44 AM
Hey. I am 100% white

But you want to be associated with MENA groups. I honestly see you as an honorary Syrian at this point. It's SO bad.

Vyasa
10-09-2016, 02:47 AM
Hate to break it to you but no one cares about Afghanistanis :(

Myanthropologies
10-09-2016, 02:56 AM
Hate to break it to you but no one cares about Afghanistanis :(

Maybe you don't, but I've been specifically asked by other members to open a thread about something like this. If you don't care, you don't have to leave an irrelevant comment. You can just not say anything and move on. Thank you.

Vyasa
10-09-2016, 02:58 AM
Maybe you don't, but I've been specifically asked by other members to open a thread about something like this. If you don't care, you don't have to leave amy irrelevant comment. You can just not say anything and move on. Thank you.

Do you go to NYU?

Myanthropologies
10-09-2016, 02:59 AM
Do you go to NYU?

No. I go to a university in Western Maryland.

Vyasa
10-09-2016, 03:03 AM
No. I go to a university in Western Maryland.


Why not Ivy bro?

Myanthropologies
10-09-2016, 03:05 AM
Why not Ivy bro?

I was looking for a more laidback school. I don't like being around snobby people. I went to a snobby high school and it sucked.

Murri
10-09-2016, 02:23 PM
Nuristanis descend from Albanian Ghegs who were in Alexander's army. :laugh:

"Nuristanis were depicted as their pre-Islamic past the Kafiristanis, (infidels) as one of peoples inhabiting Kafiristan (infidel land) Rudyard Kipling's book called The Man Who Would Be King which was then made into a film. The book was published in 1888, eight years before Nuristan was conquered and converted to Islam by Emir Abdur Rahman Khan."

There were no Dacians or Thracians in Alexander's army

Rumata
10-09-2016, 05:11 PM
So, ethnic groups wise, Afghanistan is the Switzerland of Asia but more diverse.
I think, I've seen some of them selling Chinese goods in the local market of Krasnodar.

Charles Bronson
11-02-2016, 03:54 AM
What is with your 1/8 Zaza cyber-buddy Harlekin?

LoLeL
11-06-2016, 08:06 PM
Are Hazaras descendants of Mongols (Genghis Khan's army)?

'owight Gavnah
11-20-2016, 01:12 PM
Are Hazaras descendants of Mongols (Genghis Khan's army)?

Yep

Norka
11-20-2016, 01:14 PM
East and West gypsies.

Pahli
11-20-2016, 01:44 PM
East and West gypsies.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CkrWKXZYP8c/U3KK0ZcCOxI/AAAAAAAADcY/B2hefTx-DbU/s1600/AfghanTurkmen2.jpg

Although this Turkmen man looks like a fucking monkey :lol:

Joso
07-22-2018, 10:20 PM
When people say "Afghan," they probably think of Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks. However, a lot of people who are Afghan do not belong to those two ethnicities, approximately 40% of Afghans do not. All these ethnic groups are just as Afghan as one another. This thread is to help people recognize the full diversity of people in Afghanistan, a very misunderstood country. All the Afghan ethnic groups are beautiful.

INB4 "AFGHANISTAN IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!"' Yes, I know that, but this was the least of the bad sections available.

Pashtuns

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Khost_children_in_2010.jpg/150px-Khost_children_in_2010.jpg
https://jamditis.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/khost_children_in_2010-e1363389188905.jpg?w=672&h=372&crop=1

Pashtuns are the main ethnic group in Afghanistan. They are an Eastern Iranian people, who's language closely related to Pamiri. Approximately 42% of Afghans are pashtuns. More Pashtuns live in neighboring Pakistan than in Afghanistan. This is due to the Duranid Line boundary issue which was created which divided former Afghan land. However, most Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns ignore the border and treat it as Afghan land to this day.

Pashtuns are a very tribal people and their culture is formed on the base of pashtunwali code



The culture itself is obviously largely Iranian, but has influences from the Greeks, Indians, Turkics, and Arabs (if you count religion).

One of the biggest non-religious holidays is the persian Norwuz (Persian new year). This holiday is celebrated widely. Albanians, Tatars, Persians, Uzbeks, Tatars, Turks, Pashtuns, Balochis, Kazakhs, Parsis, Georgians, Azeris, Tabassarans, Tajiks, Lezgins, Lurs, Talyshs, Ossetians, Ughyurs, and many other ethnic groups around the area celebrate this holiday as well. It is an highly Iranic holiday and stems from our ancient religion (Zorostrianism), but also celebrated by people in the Balkans and Russia as well. It is usually celebrated around March 21st every year. So this holiday is celebrated by not only the pashtuns but virtually almost everyone in Afghanistan.

Tajiks

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2TR65mD-BB71maVR2CVEsjejg3R6xgdEFm5eKwqLVkYFgM08L8w

Afghan Tajiks are the second largest ethnic group in Afghanistan. They make up roughly a quarter of Afghanistan's population. Tajiks speak an Eastern Persian dialect called "Dari." This is also one of the official languages of Afghanistan.

Tajiks are less tribal than Pashtuns, but they are a very interesting people. Their culture greatly overlaps with pashtuns in terms of traditions, languages, and culture. They are the closest ethnic group to Afghan Pashtuns in terms of everything.

Pamiri Tajiks also fall under this, but I'll give them their own section.

Hazaras

http://s.ngm.com/2008/02/afghanistan-hazara/img/afghanistan-hazara-hdr.jpg

Hazaras in Afghanistan are Persian speaking. Hazaras are descended from mongolian settlers who mixed with the local population. Depsite becoming pashtunified and persianified, many have retained their original Turkic customs and still practice them in Afghanistan, and it is beautiful. Hazaras tie with Uzbeks in being the third largest population(s) in Afghanistan. Hazaras and Uzbeks both individually make up 9% of Afghanistan's population, (meaning together, they make up 18%).

Uzbeks

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Costumes_of_Uzbek_men.jpg

Uzbeks, like Pashtuns, are a tribal people. Afghanistan has the second largest Uzbek population, and Uzbeks and Afghans go way back. Uzbeks are a Turanid Turkic ethnic group who have strong ties to the Central Asian steepe. As mentioned earlier, Uzbeks make up 9% of Afghans, and tie with Hazaras in being the third largest afghan population. Uzbeks in Afghanistan are a mixture of recent migrants and some are there from historic times some the fall of many Persian and Central Asian empires.

Though Uzbeks have a large affinity to Iranics, they are a Turkic people and have retained a lot of their Turkic culture.

Aimaq

https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p10201.jpg

The Aimaqs are a Persian speaking people. They are extremely similar to Hazaras, with the exception of the Aimaqs being Sunni Muslim and not Shiia Muslim like the Hazaras are.


Turkmens

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CkrWKXZYP8c/U3KK0ZcCOxI/AAAAAAAADcY/B2hefTx-DbU/s1600/AfghanTurkmen2.jpg


The Turkmens who speak a Turkic language make up 3% of Afghans and are known for being extremely moderate and laidback muslims.

Balochis


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Men_in_Zaranj-cropped.jpg/220px-Men_in_Zaranj-cropped.jpg

The Balochis are another Eastern Iranian people, being somewhat similar to Pashtuns and Tajiks. They make up 2% of Afghans. They speak Balochi.

Pamiris
http://www.pamirs.org/images/Odyssey%20launch/images/launch3.jpg

Pamiri Tajiks are extremely linguistically and ethnically close to Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks. They also share ties with other Central Asians as well, culturally, since they are spread out across Afghanistan, Tajikstan, and even China.


Nuristanis

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQH5TVXu-TidWU46FmupJln5kprI_-3dPdI4AvELhsbOufxNYOV5A

The Nuristanis live in Eastern Afghanistan. They are interesting in that they are not Iranic, but their own sub-branch of Indo-Iranian called "Nuristani." They were said to be descended from the Greeks, but genetics have proved that the Kalash (who are probably more or less similar to a good portion Nuristanis) are genetically related to other populations in the area and don't have connections with Greeks. The rumor of them descending from Greeks probably stemmed from the Nuristanis having a high rate of blondism (which is weird cause Greeks aren't even known for being blonde). The Nuristanis and the Kalash have had in iffy history with Pashtuns and Indic groups, with both trying to assimilate them. The Nuristanis are now muslim, but the both the Kalash and the Nuristani have retained most of their culture and have done a good job preserving the original indo-aryan cultures of AfghanIstan.

Other ethnic groups in Afghanistan include Arabs, Gujjars, and Brahuis, who make up 4% of Afghans together

Very cool

Kimbo
07-22-2018, 10:43 PM
If we had Balkanic blood, it would have showed ya know. My mom did say she might be part Bulgarian, but I doubt that's true. Nuristanis probably overlap with Pamiris. They're a bit different from the Kalash. Her grandparents from nuristani look like pamiris and the dna test looked very Caucasus shifted like my paternal cousins as well. So they seem to overlap with pashtuns from my dad's area.
Nuristanis are very similar to kalash, they are more similar to chitralis than they are to any Afghan group.

Myanthropologies
07-22-2018, 11:02 PM
Nuristanis are very similar to kalash, they are more similar to chitralis than they are to any Afghan group.

Also I found out I don't have nuristani ancestry, and that part of what my mother thought was it is actually Afghan Tajik lol

Nuristanis are diverse though, and we don't know exactly what they're like yet.

Myanthropologies
07-22-2018, 11:07 PM
I should make a similar thread for Iran when my laptop comes back from repair with Best Buy

Kimbo
07-22-2018, 11:08 PM
Also I found out I don't have nuristani ancestry, and that part of what my mother thought was it is actually Afghan Tajik lol

Nuristanis are diverse though, and we don't know exactly what they're like yet.
Lol i've also got great grandparents who were apparently "Pashai from Nuristan" mine could be similar case to yours lol, my great grandad looked like a cheryy picked nuristani with light hair and eyes that you'd see on this site though lol.

Myanthropologies
07-22-2018, 11:17 PM
Lol i've also got great grandparents who were apparently "Pashai from Nuristan" mine could be similar case to yours lol, my great grandad looked like a cheryy picked nuristani with light hair and eyes that you'd see on this site though lol.

Are they really that cherrypicked though? My mother told me that Nuristanis don't look as "Nordic" as people think, but says that roughly 1/3 are blonde or light brown haired.

Kimbo
07-22-2018, 11:23 PM
Are they really that cherrypicked though? My mother told me that Nuristanis don't look as "Nordic" as people think, but says that roughly 1/3 are blonde or light brown haired.
No idea but my great grandad did have blonde hair and green eyes, I think light features are much more common there than any part of south central asia but still not higher than 5%

Marmara
07-22-2018, 11:27 PM
I liked the fact that Turkmens are laidback muslims :p

Myanthropologies
07-22-2018, 11:28 PM
No idea but my great grandad did have blonde hair and green eyes, I think light features are much more common there than any part of south central asia but still not higher than 5%

I would think it is much higher than 5% because when Coon went to that area, he recorded that 28% of the Kalash he saw were blonde. It is not only westerners who say they look like that, but people from the area who are of other ethnic groups, too.

Marmara
07-22-2018, 11:31 PM
Here is a Turkish actor (Muhammet Cangören) who is originally an Afghan. I don't know his background though but i think he speaks Dari.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvJQlvKcp7lWSCMw04w3h8gy24SefVA g2MUXo9NmFumzuE-VSYdtvOYVfx

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiia-hEjeYWMlqAOX5HOJ70DQZclND1JSX4hIyk6h8jnIJQcwM2SkZO HKQ

http://media.sinematurk.com/person/a/86/1a31109a1b4c/muhammed1.png

Myanthropologies
07-22-2018, 11:37 PM
Here is a Turkish actor (Muhammet Cangören) who is originally an Afghan. I don't know his background though but i think he speaks Dari.

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSvJQlvKcp7lWSCMw04w3h8gy24SefVA g2MUXo9NmFumzuE-VSYdtvOYVfx

https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQiia-hEjeYWMlqAOX5HOJ70DQZclND1JSX4hIyk6h8jnIJQcwM2SkZO HKQ

http://media.sinematurk.com/person/a/86/1a31109a1b4c/muhammed1.png

He actually looks Turkish to me.

Marmara
07-22-2018, 11:39 PM
He actually looks Turkish to me.

I never realized he wasn't Turkish, or at least wasn't from Turkey, but apparently he's born in Afghanistan to an Afghan family.

rein
07-23-2018, 12:13 AM
I never realized he wasn't Turkish, or at least wasn't from Turkey, but apparently he's born in Afghanistan to an Afghan family.

He’s a bit too dark skinned to pass as a Turk, wouldn’t you agree?!

Marmara
07-23-2018, 12:18 AM
He’s a bit too dark skinned to pass as a Turk, wouldn’t you agree?!

No he isn't, his skin color fits here perfectly. There is an "Iranic" skin texture which exists among some Kurds and other Iranics, and looks very exotic regardless pigmentation. He doesn't have it.

This is a good example of the skin texture. Although a Turkmen, he has it and seems to be very Iranic influenced and doesn't pass Turkish at all.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CkrWKXZYP8c/U3KK0ZcCOxI/AAAAAAAADcY/B2hefTx-DbU/s1600/AfghanTurkmen2.jpg

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 01:34 AM
No he isn't, his skin color fits here perfectly. There is an "Iranic" skin texture which exists among some Kurds and other Iranics, and looks very exotic regardless pigmentation. He doesn't have it.

This is a good example of the skin texture. Although a Turkmen, he has it and seems to be very Iranic influenced and doesn't pass Turkish at all.

G]

wtf are you talking again

iranic skin texture lol gtfo

you are annoying as fuck do you know that ? I am holding myself hard often to not use insults towards you

Joso
07-23-2018, 01:36 AM
wtf are you talking again

iranic skin texture lol gtfo

you are annoying as fuck do you know that ? I am holding myself hard often to not use insults towards you

Lol i thought the same. "Skin texture"... What have this guy smoked now?

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 01:38 AM
Lol i thought the same. "Skin texture"... What have this guy smoked now?

he always tries to depict us kurds as some kind of swarthy aliens among the nordic turks . bullshit . people should know by now that it is nonsense . I bet he will now show me a kiroid under the sun as an example but I can show him such turks too etc

iranic skin texture ....lol ....these forums and its members man

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 01:47 AM
iranic brow texture

https://cdn1.ntv.com.tr/gorsel/turkiye/dolapderede-neler-oluyor/dogubeyaztli-mehmet-bize-hikayesini-anlatti,IYUIocS0N0CzKi33ITPYIg.jpg?width=960&mode=crop&scale=both&v=20150619043043158

Marmara
07-23-2018, 02:05 AM
he always tries to depict us kurds as some kind of swarthy aliens among the nordic turks . bullshit . people should know by now that it is nonsense . I bet he will now show me a kiroid under the sun as an example but I can show him such turks too etc

iranic skin texture ....lol ....these forums and its members man

No way, i never did that. Yes such texture exists among some Kurds. It's freckleish. I'm not talking about skin color here. I never claimed Turks are Nordic or some shit, i already said Muhammed Cangören's phenotype and skin color fits perfectly here, and as you can see he's dark skinned and nothing nordic. I also said many times that there are many Iranians, Afghans and even Pakistanis who would pass in Turkey.

You are complexed and ready to misinterprate everything people say. Many times i've claimed that main phenotype of Turks is Turanid, and that regular Anatolians don't usually look European not even Greek.

And before you say "So Iranians, Afghans and Pakis pass Turkish but Kurds not?". Kurds obviously pass best in Turkey, and many go unnoticed here. I'm talking about outliers here, yes there is such Kurds just as there is such Turks:

https://cdn1.tytnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/20151103-DSC_0047.jpg

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 02:20 AM
No way, i never did that. Yes such texture exists among some Kurds. It's freckleish. I'm not talking about skin color here. I never claimed Turks are Nordic or some shit, i already said Muhammed Cangören's phenotype and skin color fits perfectly here, and as you can see he's dark skinned and nothing nordic. I also said many times that there are many Iranians, Afghans and even Pakistanis who would pass in Turkey.

You are complexed and ready to misinterprate everything people say. Many times i've claimed that main phenotype of Turks is Turanid, and that regular Anatolians don't usually look European not even Greek.

And before you say "So Iranians, Afghans and Pakis pass Turkish but Kurds not?". Kurds obviously pass best in Turkey, and many go unnoticed here. I'm talking about outliers here, yes there is such Kurds just as there is such Turks:

https://cdn1.tytnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/20151103-DSC_0047.jpg

why do you think I am complexed ? what gives you this idea if I may ask

there are not that many iranians and afghans and especially not pakistanis that pass in turkey . you dont need to say this to make yourself look good . we both know that it is not true . you should change the "many" with "some" . but iranians and afghans are very darkwashed and mispresented that one is true for sure

cenk uygur is not that dark . the pic is not the best and he could be tanned too . he is not that dark tbh

https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2017/12/22/Cenk_Uygur_s2046x2048.jpg?f454d56ac14553aa05e4a179 6d32736c4676315d

main phenotype of turks is not turanid either wtf are you talking about again . I dont understand you . turanid is a common type but most common ? nope

look I posted a video of turks for example today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fl8EwuqDws

I dont know what you mean by frecklish skin among kurds . it seems you discovered something for yourself .

but you often talk nonsense about kurds and make too controversial statments which I have to say something to . this has nothing to do with complexes . I am 32 kid ...and I am very happy with my own look and my people . otherwise I wouldnt post our faces so easily . I am just annoyed by certain things and that we are often misrepresented thats all . and people like you dont help that case

Joso
07-23-2018, 02:22 AM
No he isn't, his skin color fits here perfectly. There is an "Iranic" skin texture which exists among some Kurds and other Iranics, and looks very exotic regardless pigmentation. He doesn't have it.

This is a good example of the skin texture. Although a Turkmen, he has it and seems to be very Iranic influenced and doesn't pass Turkish at all.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CkrWKXZYP8c/U3KK0ZcCOxI/AAAAAAAADcY/B2hefTx-DbU/s1600/AfghanTurkmen2.jpg

Where is his eyes??

Marmara
07-23-2018, 02:40 AM
why do you think I am complexed ? what gives you this idea if I may ask

there are not that many iranians and afghans and especially not pakistanis that pass in turkey . you dont need to say this to make yourself look good . we both know that it is not true . you should change the "many" with "some" . but iranians and afghans are very darkwashed and mispresented that one is true for sure

cenk uygur is not that dark . the pic is not the best and he could be tanned too . he is not that dark tbh

https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2017/12/22/Cenk_Uygur_s2046x2048.jpg?f454d56ac14553aa05e4a179 6d32736c4676315d

main phenotype of turks is not turanid either wtf are you talking about again . I dont understand you . turanid is a common type but most common ? nope

look I posted a video of turks for example today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fl8EwuqDws

I dont know what you mean by frecklish skin among kurds . it seems you discovered something for yourself .

but you often talk nonsense about kurds and make too controversial statments which I have to say something to . this has nothing to do with complexes . I am 32 kid ...and I am very happy with my own look and my people . otherwise I wouldnt post our faces so easily . I am just annoyed by certain things and that we are often misrepresented thats all . and people like you dont help that case

You are misrepresenting Kurds yourself.

I'm pretty sure i've seen and met more Kurds than you did. I grew up in a district of İstanbul which had many Kurds, in elementary and middle school my school was full of Kurds, i had countless Kurdish friends, i still have and i still see many Kurds. There are two types of Kurds.

No.1 is West Asian looking ones who pass in Turkey and Caucasia, and no.2 who are exotic darker Afghan-looking ones who stand out greately. You claim that every Kurd looks like no.1 and deny all no.2 Kurds despite the Iranic root of Kurds. I don't darkwash Kurds or don't misrepresent them. I've also seen many blonde blue eyed Kurds.

There are also central-asian looking Turks but you don't see any Turk denying it in fact emphasizing it.

http://d.haberciniz.biz/news/1283780.jpg

I said regular Anatolians are usually Turanid, or at least greately influenced which is true, Turkey is not composed of only Anatolians there are many Balkan and Caucasian immigrants and people with mixed heritage.

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 02:47 AM
You are misrepresenting Kurds yourself.

I'm pretty sure i've seen and met more Kurds than you did. I grew up in a district of İstanbul which had many Kurds, in elementary and middle school my school was full of Kurds, i had countless Kurdish friends, i still have and i still see many Kurds. There are two types of Kurds.

No.1 is West Asian looking ones who pass in Turkey and Caucasia, and no.2 who are exotic darker Afghan-looking ones who stand out greately. You claim that every Kurd looks like no.1 and deny all no.2 Kurds despite the Iranic root of Kurds. I don't darkwash Kurds or don't misinterprate them. I've also seen many blonde blue eyed Kurds.

There are also central-asian looking Turks but you don't see any Turk denying it in fact emphasizing it.

http://d.haberciniz.biz/news/1283780.jpg

I said regular Anatolians are usually Turanid, or at least greately influenced which is true, Turkey is not composed of only Anatolians there are many Balkan and Caucasian immigrants and people with mixed heritage.

I am not mispresenting kurds at all . look at my signature link there are enough exotic people I posted . I also posted even older men with mustaches etc. . . look at the videos

darker afghan looking kurds are either very rare or might not even exist . I think you might just be mislabeling them . I would need to know and see your friends to say something

blonde kurds are rare too

most kurds look like what I posted in my link . I know my people better than you because I am a kurd . trust me being kurd makes me more knowledged even though we both are from turkey . I am from tunceli and I am typical for my province ...even on the darker side a little and most turks that meet me dont even guess me kurdish ....I can show you how tunceli people look . we dont have arabs and gypsies living with us . many of the pics I posted are also from districts which are pure kurdish from van etc.

people also wrongly like to post ibrahim tatlises as typical kurd for example even though he looks heavily arab and has an arab father . here in germany my friend had a guy in his class who was gypsy from iraq but claimed to be kurdish (I often told this story) . we are very misrepresented . I also think that some kurds are mixed with arabs and domari gypsies in certain areas

that man you posted looks normal for turkey he doesnt look particulary central asian imo

zarzian
07-23-2018, 02:49 AM
When people say "Afghan," they probably think of Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks. However, a lot of people who are Afghan do not belong to those two ethnicities, approximately 40% of Afghans do not. All these ethnic groups are just as Afghan as one another. This thread is to help people recognize the full diversity of people in Afghanistan, a very misunderstood country. All the Afghan ethnic groups are beautiful.

INB4 "AFGHANISTAN IS NOT IN THE MIDDLE EAST!!!!"' Yes, I know that, but this was the least of the bad sections available.

Pashtuns

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Khost_children_in_2010.jpg/150px-Khost_children_in_2010.jpg
https://jamditis.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/khost_children_in_2010-e1363389188905.jpg?w=672&h=372&crop=1

Pashtuns are the main ethnic group in Afghanistan. They are an Eastern Iranian people, who's language closely related to Pamiri. Approximately 42% of Afghans are pashtuns. More Pashtuns live in neighboring Pakistan than in Afghanistan. This is due to the Duranid Line boundary issue which was created which divided former Afghan land. However, most Afghan and Pakistani Pashtuns ignore the border and treat it as Afghan land to this day.

Pashtuns are a very tribal people and their culture is formed on the base of pashtunwali code



The culture itself is obviously largely Iranian, but has influences from the Greeks, Indians, Turkics, and Arabs (if you count religion).

One of the biggest non-religious holidays is the persian Norwuz (Persian new year). This holiday is celebrated widely. Albanians, Tatars, Persians, Uzbeks, Tatars, Turks, Pashtuns, Balochis, Kazakhs, Parsis, Georgians, Azeris, Tabassarans, Tajiks, Lezgins, Lurs, Talyshs, Ossetians, Ughyurs, and many other ethnic groups around the area celebrate this holiday as well. It is an highly Iranic holiday and stems from our ancient religion (Zorostrianism), but also celebrated by people in the Balkans and Russia as well. It is usually celebrated around March 21st every year. So this holiday is celebrated by not only the pashtuns but virtually almost everyone in Afghanistan.

Tajiks

https://encrypted-tbn3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcS2TR65mD-BB71maVR2CVEsjejg3R6xgdEFm5eKwqLVkYFgM08L8w

Afghan Tajiks are the second largest ethnic group in Afghanistan. They make up roughly a quarter of Afghanistan's population. Tajiks speak an Eastern Persian dialect called "Dari." This is also one of the official languages of Afghanistan.

Tajiks are less tribal than Pashtuns, but they are a very interesting people. Their culture greatly overlaps with pashtuns in terms of traditions, languages, and culture. They are the closest ethnic group to Afghan Pashtuns in terms of everything.

Pamiri Tajiks also fall under this, but I'll give them their own section.

Hazaras

http://s.ngm.com/2008/02/afghanistan-hazara/img/afghanistan-hazara-hdr.jpg

Hazaras in Afghanistan are Persian speaking. Hazaras are descended from mongolian settlers who mixed with the local population. Depsite becoming pashtunified and persianified, many have retained their original Turkic customs and still practice them in Afghanistan, and it is beautiful. Hazaras tie with Uzbeks in being the third largest population(s) in Afghanistan. Hazaras and Uzbeks both individually make up 9% of Afghanistan's population, (meaning together, they make up 18%).

Uzbeks

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Costumes_of_Uzbek_men.jpg

Uzbeks, like Pashtuns, are a tribal people. Afghanistan has the second largest Uzbek population, and Uzbeks and Afghans go way back. Uzbeks are a Turanid Turkic ethnic group who have strong ties to the Central Asian steepe. As mentioned earlier, Uzbeks make up 9% of Afghans, and tie with Hazaras in being the third largest afghan population. Uzbeks in Afghanistan are a mixture of recent migrants and some are there from historic times some the fall of many Persian and Central Asian empires.

Though Uzbeks have a large affinity to Iranics, they are a Turkic people and have retained a lot of their Turkic culture.

Aimaq

https://joshuaproject.net/assets/media/profiles/photos/p10201.jpg

The Aimaqs are a Persian speaking people. They are extremely similar to Hazaras, with the exception of the Aimaqs being Sunni Muslim and not Shiia Muslim like the Hazaras are.


Turkmens

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-CkrWKXZYP8c/U3KK0ZcCOxI/AAAAAAAADcY/B2hefTx-DbU/s1600/AfghanTurkmen2.jpg


The Turkmens who speak a Turkic language make up 3% of Afghans and are known for being extremely moderate and laidback muslims.

Balochis


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/00/Men_in_Zaranj-cropped.jpg/220px-Men_in_Zaranj-cropped.jpg

The Balochis are another Eastern Iranian people, being somewhat similar to Pashtuns and Tajiks. They make up 2% of Afghans. They speak Balochi.

Pamiris
http://www.pamirs.org/images/Odyssey%20launch/images/launch3.jpg

Pamiri Tajiks are extremely linguistically and ethnically close to Afghan Pashtuns and Tajiks. They also share ties with other Central Asians as well, culturally, since they are spread out across Afghanistan, Tajikstan, and even China.


Nuristanis

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQH5TVXu-TidWU46FmupJln5kprI_-3dPdI4AvELhsbOufxNYOV5A

The Nuristanis live in Eastern Afghanistan. They are interesting in that they are not Iranic, but their own sub-branch of Indo-Iranian called "Nuristani." They were said to be descended from the Greeks, but genetics have proved that the Kalash (who are probably more or less similar to a good portion Nuristanis) are genetically related to other populations in the area and don't have connections with Greeks. The rumor of them descending from Greeks probably stemmed from the Nuristanis having a high rate of blondism (which is weird cause Greeks aren't even known for being blonde). The Nuristanis and the Kalash have had in iffy history with Pashtuns and Indic groups, with both trying to assimilate them. The Nuristanis are now muslim, but the both the Kalash and the Nuristani have retained most of their culture and have done a good job preserving the original indo-aryan cultures of AfghanIstan.

Other ethnic groups in Afghanistan include Arabs, Gujjars, and Brahuis, who make up 4% of Afghans together

Dari and Baloochi are Western Iranian Language bro, do you actually read before you post stuff?

Marmara
07-23-2018, 02:55 AM
I am not mispresenting kurds at all . look at my signature link there are enough exotic people I posted . I also posted even older men with mustaches etc. . . look at the videos

darker afghan looking kurds are either very rare or might not even exist . I think you might just be mislabeling them . I would need to know and see your friends to say something

blonde kurds are rare too

most kurds look like what I posted in my link . I know my people better than you because I am a kurd . trust me being kurd makes me more knowledged even though we both are from turkey . I am from tunceli and I am typical for my province ...even on the darker side a little and most turks that meet me dont even guess me kurdish ....I can show you how tunceli people look . we dont have arabs and gypsies living with us . many of the pics I posted are also from districts which are pure kurdish from van etc.

people also wrongly like to post ibrahim tatlises as typical kurd for example even though he looks heavily arab and has an arab father . here in germany my friend had a guy in his class who was gypsy from iraq but claimed to be kurdish (I often told this story) . we are very misrepresented . I also think that some kurds are mixed with arabs and domari gypsies in certain areas

that man you posted looks normal for turkey he doesnt look particulary central asian imo

Ibrahim Tatlıses isn't typical Kurdish, but do you want me to post those more Eastern looking Kurds? I think you've already seen me posting one.

http://www.hezenparastin.com/sehit/wene/sehit_kunyeleri/2017/serzan_metin.jpg

http://www.hezenparastin.com/sehit/wene/sehit_kunyeleri/2017/serzan_mustafa.jpg

These faces are usually stereotyped to be typical Kurds here because they are the ones standing out the most.

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 03:00 AM
Ibrahim Tatlıses isn't typical Kurdish, but do you want me to post those more Eastern looking Kurds? I think you've already seen me posting one.

http://www.hezenparastin.com/sehit/wene/sehit_kunyeleri/2017/serzan_metin.jpg

http://www.hezenparastin.com/sehit/wene/sehit_kunyeleri/2017/serzan_mustafa.jpg

These faces are usually stereotyped to be typical Kurds here because they are the ones standing out the most.

ibrahim tatlises doesnt look kurdish . he has strong arab vibe

these 2 men look very kurdish yes . I tried to incorporate such looks in my gallery though ? I dont know what you mean . but I dont post pkk pics because I dont want my gallery to have too much to do with political stuff etc. otherwise I would have posted also more of these types . but these types are a little special because they are some mountain adapted types from certain areas . many of us kurds look different

female example

https://anfenglish.com/uploads/en/articles/2017/08/20170814-nalinb578c7-image.jpg

Marmara
07-23-2018, 03:04 AM
ibrahim tatlises doesnt look kurdish . he has strong arab vibe

these 2 men look very kurdish yes . I tried to incorporate such looks in my gallery though ? I dont know what you mean . but I dont post pkk pics because I dont want my gallery to have too much to do with political stuff etc. otherwise I would have posted also more of these types . but these types are a little special because they are some mountain adapted types from certain areas . many of us kurds look different

female example

https://anfenglish.com/uploads/en/articles/2017/08/20170814-nalinb578c7-image.jpg

Here, this is the freckleish skin texture i was talking about the whole time.

http://www.hpg-sehit.com/wene/sehit_kunyeleri/2009/serxwebun_fahrettin_kuzu.jpg

I already said Ibrahim Tatlıses isn't typical Kurdish.

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 03:09 AM
^ that is nothing specifically "iranic" . just freckles

bro ibrahim tatlises doesnt look kurdish . he doesnt look like an atypical kurd . he doesnt look kurdish


and as I said in my gallery I have included all kind of kurdish looks and it is very accurate . you should carefully check it out again . and look members appreciate my work and know I am doing a good job https://www.theapricity.com/forum/showthread.php?231895-%26%239734%3B%26%239734%3B%26%239734%3B-Post-People-of-Your-Ethnicity-Ultimate-Gallery-Thread-%26%239734%3B%26%239734%3B%26%239734%3B&p=4946675&viewfull=1#post4946675

and as I said I dont like to post pkk pics otherwise I would include more pics and post also some lighter types too like the freckled guy

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 03:10 AM
btw. sorry for off topic myanthropologies

Marmara
07-23-2018, 03:15 AM
^ that is nothing specifically "iranic" . just freckles

He doesn't just have freckles, i've seen many Kurds like him, it's a special texture and easily identifiable


bro ibrahim tatlises doesnt look kurdish . he doesnt look like an atypical kurd . he doesnt look kurdish

But i already AGREE.

Myanthropologies
07-23-2018, 03:15 AM
btw. sorry for off topic myanthropologies

You're fine!

Myanthropologies
07-23-2018, 03:16 AM
Are there any other countries people want me to do this for? I could do Iran and even Turkey, too. Turkey would be a fun one because it is so diverse.

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 03:17 AM
one for russia would be interesting

Myanthropologies
07-23-2018, 03:19 AM
one for russia would be interesting

That would be good because I am knowledgeable on that area.

Marmara
07-23-2018, 03:25 AM
why do you think I am complexed ? what gives you this idea if I may ask

there are not that many iranians and afghans and especially not pakistanis that pass in turkey . you dont need to say this to make yourself look good . we both know that it is not true . you should change the "many" with "some" . but iranians and afghans are very darkwashed and mispresented that one is true for sure

cenk uygur is not that dark . the pic is not the best and he could be tanned too . he is not that dark tbh

https://twt-thumbs.washtimes.com/media/image/2017/12/22/Cenk_Uygur_s2046x2048.jpg?f454d56ac14553aa05e4a179 6d32736c4676315d

main phenotype of turks is not turanid either wtf are you talking about again . I dont understand you . turanid is a common type but most common ? nope

look I posted a video of turks for example today


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Fl8EwuqDws

I dont know what you mean by frecklish skin among kurds . it seems you discovered something for yourself .

but you often talk nonsense about kurds and make too controversial statments which I have to say something to . this has nothing to do with complexes . I am 32 kid ...and I am very happy with my own look and my people . otherwise I wouldnt post our faces so easily . I am just annoyed by certain things and that we are often misrepresented thats all . and people like you dont help that case

Where did you post this video?

Myanthropologies
07-23-2018, 03:28 AM
Dari and Baloochi are Western Iranian Language bro, do you actually read before you post stuff?

I made this almost two years ago and realize that now. Some sources just consider them "Eastern Iranic"

Myanthropologies
07-23-2018, 03:29 AM
I have to admit, when looking at Kurds from certain areas, they seem a lot more "East Med" in phenotype than what is typical for most other Iranic people.

Hadouken
07-23-2018, 03:49 AM
I have to admit, when looking at Kurds from certain areas, they seem a lot more "East Med" in phenotype than what is typical for most other Iranic people.

yea i also score high med on calcs and dna land etc

Myanthropologies
07-23-2018, 03:54 AM
yea i also score high med on calcs and dna land etc

To me, Kurds from Turkey look like Cypriot-Afghan love child. But many pass in the Caucasus, too.

zarzian
07-23-2018, 05:13 AM
I made this almost two years ago and realize that now. Some sources just consider them "Eastern Iranic"

Then those sources are idiots and incorrect because Iranian languages are classified quite clearly According to their placement in the Iranic language family tree.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_languages


To me, Kurds from Turkey look like Cypriot-Afghan love child. But many pass in the Caucasus, too.
Kurds in Iran are pretty indistinguishable from Persians, dunno and dont care about Kurds in Turkey though because apparently they are this East Med Southern Euro type according to some members :laugh:

Pandit
12-27-2018, 12:54 PM
It is a bit ironic but they've been that way for ages. Plus in america, nobody knows wtf a tajik is. I hate saying I'm afghan to people because I'm technically not and that's a nationality, but at the same time not many people in America know who the pashtuns are, but they do know who afghans are.

how can non Afghan pashtun like you have nuristani(Afghani) grandparents from the both side ?

what kind of Pashtun are you ? Iranian one ?